The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

**dan_pub** · August 20th, 2015, 05:37

Bravo BG. The Loening Air Yacht indeed. I have it as model 1922, but that could be the year rather than the model.

I'd send you a beer but somehow the icons do not show up on my computer anymore.

Anyway, over to you.

**Baragouin** · August 20th, 2015, 10:57

Thanks Dan Pub!
and here goes a lovely, dangerous and uncomfy limousine of the early twenties...isn't she a beauty?
Cheers!
BG

**Green** · August 20th, 2015, 23:35

The left side of this photo resembles the above - but that's about it.

Ansaldo A.300 of sorts?

**Baragouin** · August 21st, 2015, 02:27

Hi Green!
Ansaldo built two limousines one was the A300C (like your post) and the other one (my post) was the A300T.
Anyway your guess is good enough for me therefore please go right ahead!
Cheers
BG

**Green** · August 21st, 2015, 05:20

Thanks BG!

Here's the next...

***Moses03*** · August 21st, 2015, 05:43

Chetverikov TA-1?

http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/ta-1a.html

**Green** · August 21st, 2015, 13:00

That's the one Moses - over to you.

***Moses03*** · August 21st, 2015, 18:11

Sort of the dumpy distant cousin to the Sikorsky S-43.

Let's try this early 1920's biplane.

**lefty** · August 21st, 2015, 23:21

Bit of a stinker, this one. Obvious DH tail, and what looks like a DH9 in the background.

Looks like a mail plane, judging from the bulgy compartment ahead of the pilot. But the killer is that very odd Brisfit-style wing arrangement with 'floating' fuselage. Can't find anything in the DH books. Hmmmm...

***Moses03*** · August 22nd, 2015, 08:51

Yep, a bit of a stinker! It was originally powered with a Salmson radial. Not sure what engine is in the photo. Not anything DH as well.

You are spot on with the mail plane thought...

The designer later built a really interesting large twin boom racer.

**lefty** · August 22nd, 2015, 09:29

Claire Vance ?

***Moses03*** · August 22nd, 2015, 10:14

Yes, it is a Vance model. Phew, you guys are wonderful detectives.

Which one though Mike?

**pomme homme** · August 22nd, 2015, 11:53

Well I'll be blowed if I can find a name for it! Some call it a 'home built biplane'. Others a 'new mailplane'. Even Aerofiles is reticent on this topic, saying no more than :

'1923 = 1pOB; 270hp Salmson Z-9; v: 122. Chesty, mail-type plane used by Vance for transcontinental speed attempt'.

But this may not be it as there are reports of Vance putting down in the San Francisco Bay in 1922 a new mailplane that he was testing. I'm well out of my comfort zone!

**lefty** · August 22nd, 2015, 13:51

I had the same sketchy info as ph, so couldn't name a model, and nothing else on the net about Mr Vance other than his sad demise.

Still reckon he used bits of DH4 or DH9 in that machine, whatever it's called ! (maybe bits of F2B also!)

***Moses03*** · August 22nd, 2015, 18:24

The nod goes to Lefty here for the Vance find.

PH- Aerofiles seems to have omitted the re-engined version!

**pomme homme** · August 22nd, 2015, 23:38

Did it have a name, model number or anything more to identify it?

**lefty** · August 23rd, 2015, 00:42

Yes, we need a name, please !

In the meantime, here's another machine also designed to carry mail as well as passengers - not a thing of beauty, I think you'll agree...

(Incidentally, I have discovered what was causing my photo upload problems - along with internet speed problems in general. There is a nasty little add-on included in the installation suite for ASUS motherboards, called Network Icontrol. If you find that installed amongst your programs, GET RID OF IT !)

***Moses03*** · August 23rd, 2015, 13:20

That is the Sikorsky S-32.

Have no name or designation on the non-Salmson Vance. Seems to have fallen through the cracks.

**lefty** · August 23rd, 2015, 13:56

Ugly Sikorsky is cracked by Moses

***Moses03*** · August 23rd, 2015, 14:11

And now for something completely different...

**Green** · August 23rd, 2015, 15:34

Immediate thought was a French Hanriot, but...
Is that space behind the sliding cockpit canopy eventually going to be filled in with metal?

Potez 220??

***Moses03*** · August 23rd, 2015, 16:07

Filled with Hitler youth more likely as this was 1 of 2 completed before Germany steamrolled into France a few months later.

Indeed the Potez. Good one G!