AvSim R.I.P.

**Helldiver** · May 14th, 2009, 10:35

The AvSim site is suffering from lack of support and lack of interest. Unfortunately, the Flight Simulator hobby in the US is slowly but surely shutting down. The lack of forward Flight Simulator support by Microsoft is the last straw.
There are some die hard contributors, but overall there are less than half the folks in the hobby in the US than just two years ago. It is holding on a bit better in Europe but no so in the US. They need new blood to keep it going. Bill Womack is just such a person but they need 30,000 Bill Womacks to have the hobby thrive.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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**Sascha66** · May 14th, 2009, 10:40

Sir,

wasn't there a thread here some days ago saying that the avsim site was upgrading hardware? I don't know how they finance it but the userbase must be huge judging from the number of files up- and downloaded.

Where did you get the figures on FS users dwindling by half?

That would be shocking!

Regards,
Sascha

**Sascha66** · May 14th, 2009, 10:44

I completely missed the thread about avsim being hacked and obliterated.

**stiz** · May 14th, 2009, 10:49

Originally Posted by Helldiver

The AvSim site is suffering from lack of support and lack of interest.
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Is it ell! it got hacked and destoryed, see the 50 other threads about it

**djscoo** · May 14th, 2009, 11:04

:ernae:

**Sascha66** · May 14th, 2009, 13:12

Originally Posted by djscoo

:ernae:

Good to see the community pulling together - the uproar even made it on the BBC news! Glad to see the site has so much support from members there and here - I am also a memeber of both, visiting both every single day

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**stiz** · May 14th, 2009, 13:15

ha so it has!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8049780.stm

**n4gix** · May 14th, 2009, 15:11

Originally Posted by Helldiver

The AvSim site is suffering from lack of support and lack of interest. Unfortunately, the Flight Simulator hobby in the US is slowly but surely shutting down. The lack of forward Flight Simulator support by Microsoft is the last straw.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com

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Huh? You really need to get out of the Outhouse more... :ernae:

I have to say that in the 24 hours since we were battling an attack on our servers, the community has raised the bar as to the definition of that community and its support for AVSIM. We have had hundreds of email offering help; dozens of message here in the forums offering assistance. We have seen flight sim enthusiasts not only outraged by the destruction of AVSIM, but with an awe inspiring willingness to assist, in any way that they can.

More people have invested in the future of AVSIM today via donations in a single, short day than we have ever seen in our nearly 13 years of operation. I am shocked, frankly, by the desire for the community to see us continue and your willingness to put your investment into our future.

***OBIO*** · May 15th, 2009, 07:58

I can't remember on which site I saw the repaint, but it was a new upload and it was done by a 15 year old kid. New blood. And there is a new member in the CFS2 forum here, a member who looks to become a contributor to the CFS2 pool...and he is only 13. New blood. Sure, simming may not attract as many young people as Playstation and XBox, but there are young folks who are finding their way to the various sims....because like all of us, these young folks have an interest/fascination/obsession with aircraft. It's just natural for young boys to like airplanes at some point in their development. Fortunately, some of those youngsters continue to like aircraft and seek out the means to fly them.....and the natural setting for flying an aircraft when you don't own one, don't have a pilot's license is flight simming.

No, I think simming is alive and well....regardless of the direction that MS has chosen to take.

OBIO

**n4gix** · May 15th, 2009, 08:31

There are at least three young men (12,13 and 15) at FS-Developers who're getting into scenery and aircraft modeling. It's a real joy to be able to help them along with both encouragement as well as direct help with their questions... :ernae:

**Lateral-G** · May 15th, 2009, 09:14

Originally Posted by Helldiver

The AvSim site is suffering from lack of support and lack of interest. Unfortunately, the Flight Simulator hobby in the US is slowly but surely shutting down. The lack of forward Flight Simulator support by Microsoft is the last straw.
There are some die hard contributors, but overall there are less than half the folks in the hobby in the US than just two years ago. It is holding on a bit better in Europe but no so in the US. They need new blood to keep it going. Bill Womack is just such a person but they need 30,000 Bill Womacks to have the hobby thrive.<o></o>
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Helldiver, why are you always so full of gloom & doom?

-G-

**Kiwikat** · May 15th, 2009, 10:24

Originally Posted by Helldiver

There are some die hard contributors, but overall there are less than half the folks in the hobby in the US than just two years ago. It is holding on a bit better in Europe but no so in the US. They need new blood to keep it going. Bill Womack is just such a person but they need 30,000 Bill Womacks to have the hobby thrive.<o></o>
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Have you read the avsim temporary forum at all?

Where'd you get your figures from? I know a LOT of young people who are interested in flight simulator and aviation. I don't see the hobby dying much at all if any.

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***wombat666*** · May 15th, 2009, 23:42

Originally Posted by Kiwikat

Have you read the avsim temporary forum at all?
Where'd you get your figures from? I know a LOT of young people who are interested in flight simulator and aviation. I don't see the hobby dying much at all if any.
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Give HD a break you lot.
He is getting on (80+) and has suffered a couple of strokes, as well as having problems with his sight.
Show him the respect one would show one's own elderly relations.
He might be a curmudgeon but he's our curmudgeon ......

***jmig*** · May 16th, 2009, 04:37

Originally Posted by wombat666

Give HD a break you lot.
He is getting on (80+) and has suffered a couple of strokes, as well as having problems with his sight.
Show him the respect one would show one's own elderly relations.
He might be a curmudgeon but he's our curmudgeon ......

Here, here! I agree and think Helldiver is a credit to his age, if for nothing else, for his ability to stay abreast with today's technology.

Although, he has not spoken much of his life, from what I have gleamed, I think he has lived well and accomplished a lot.

I am happy to have him part of our family.

P.S. The older I get, the more I understand and appreciate his frustrations.

**cheezyflier** · May 16th, 2009, 08:59

Originally Posted by jmig

Here, here! I agree and think Helldiver is a credit to his age, if for nothing else, for his ability to stay abreast with today's technology.

**Toastmaker** · May 16th, 2009, 09:29

Wha. . . ? Poultry porn !

Disgusting. . .

**nigel allen** · May 16th, 2009, 11:02

I think helldiver hit it on the head i agree, but i must say the problem with these site's are ther full of damm airliner's jet's bloodly jet's who want's them nothing like throwing a spit or p 51 and more around the sky's who can do that in a boing 747 or airbus bring back more prop's even old jet fighters are good there done with my moan lol

**n4gix** · May 16th, 2009, 15:27

Thank you, Henry.

First of all, no money is going to Tom Allensworth at all. Every donation is being collected by Robert Whitwell, who's among other things the Treasurer for AVSIM.

No funds can be withdrawn without signatures from Robert and at least one other BOD member...

Please, no more libelous statments...

**n4gix** · May 16th, 2009, 20:03

Actionable or not, there are simply some things which should not be said publically, period. Tom and I have had our differences in the past, and are quite likely to do so in the future.

However, I'd never even think of implying that he's anything less than a true and honest friend who's doing the very best he can under some extremely trying circumstances.

***Willy*** · May 16th, 2009, 21:32

Okay guys, let's play nice.

**magoo** · May 16th, 2009, 21:44

n4gix

However, I'd never even think of implying that he's anything less than a true and honest friend who's doing the very best he can under some extremely trying circumstances.

Certainly. An opinion as valid as that of the other man, the expression of such which should be guarenteed under the charters of several democratic societies that can access these boards. Thin skin or not.

Now.....the forum page on a privately owned website is a funny kind of thing. Even though the internet forum is often publically viewable, it is not neccesarily a public place. It is essentially a virtual room in the private home of the website owner/s, as opposed to (say....) a public park, a public street, avenue, or town square.

It's up to the owners of the website/forum to either tolerate or edit to their tastes.....the content posted therein.

I would think the most effective way for any website forum participant to stiffle or control the viewable opinions of differing writers might be for them to open their own website forum, or at least seriously offer to puchase the one in question, and take over responsibilities. That would allow for the manipulator to at least (and truly) place his/her money where the mouth is.

Regarding Mr. Allensworth and the tragic sinking of the Avsim, I can't say that I'm prone to emotional speculation. We simply don't have all the facts.

If the facts are ever truly discovered and released publically, I'll probably find myself suddenly opinionated.

In the meantime, I read the wide variety of member's postings with great interest, sadly fascinated at range of interpretation and emotionality, and wistfully grateful that the patient owners and operators of THIS website have not yet seen fit to lock down or edit the content of these threads regarding AVSIM.

Whether I agree with any of it....as differing as we may all see it.....the posts are all of merit, one way or another. We are all expressing ourselves with legitimate feeling. All the opinions are important.

Long live the electric flight simulator. May it continue to thrive and evolve. Let's fly the thing, boys.

LET'S FLY IT!

***Navy Chief*** · May 17th, 2009, 05:05

Way before the AVSIM "crash", I had to cancel my plans to attend the Convention at Wright Patterson AFB this Sept. Financial reasons, of course. But I imagine I am not alone in that decision. Other things factored too, such as a possible divorce........

NC

**cheezyflier** · May 17th, 2009, 12:33

Originally Posted by navychief

such as a possible divorce........

NC

a positive thinker would instead use the term "escape"
my first time, i remember feeling that. it took almost 2 years to wipe the smile off my face. people were highly suspicious

**Chuck_Jodry-VJPL** · May 19th, 2009, 07:55

The official version can be had by following the link below , everybody is grateful for the offers of help but we are on it , we have servers and domain names , bandwidth and now that the tech people are in possession of the disks a good idea of what can be recovered and how , also a time frame for getting the site back online.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com

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The staff at Avsim is who will be taking care of the work , and making the decisions, our Board Of Directors has meetings for discussing the options and we do discuss your ideas during them , but we are not obliged to follow every suggestion offered, nor is it planned to scatter bits and pieces of the Avsim we knew onto different servers temporarily , what is planned is to rebuild the website on new hardware , capable of supporting the current demands and those of the future .<o

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It’s been one week since " IT " happened and we will be installing the new system over the weekend, it’s not the end of Avsim but the REBIRTH of the New AVSIM. <o

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***Henry*** · May 19th, 2009, 08:38

Originally Posted by Canelo_Kid

Combat Flight Center started in late 1997 and came online in 1998. In 2001 Sim-Outhouse was opened and later Combat Flight Center became part of SOH. During the past 12 years the site has been taken down many times by hacking, getting slammed by hosts and equiptment failure. We have learned you must have a presence on the web even if it just a splash page and a short explaination.

to me thats just basic business sense
the same applies to any business virtual or RL
if the lights are out put a sign up
People get into a habit once that habit is broken
they create a new one
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