Mig-29 for FSX Accel

**Wombat_VC** · December 30th, 2009, 05:04

Looking for a good Mig-29, payware or freeware, that works under FSX Accel. Any recommendations?

**krazycolin** · December 30th, 2009, 05:06

Lotus is working on one as we speak... be a while though... he did just start.

**Wombat_VC** · December 30th, 2009, 05:11

Originally Posted by krazycolin

Lotus is working on one as we speak... be a while though... he did just start.

Thanks for the tip. This sounds like a long wait though, but I know it would be perfect.

**Hanimichal** · December 30th, 2009, 06:46

Simviation:

I hope Lotus including some naval model with tail hook to use with carriers

**Bjoern** · December 30th, 2009, 14:16

Originally Posted by Hanimichal

Simviation:

The VC could use some textures.

***Daube*** · December 31st, 2009, 01:39

Indeed... but the 3D model seems to be quite nice. A Good repainter could make something really cool out of this model, I think.

***falcon409*** · December 31st, 2009, 02:05

I'll take a look at the one over at Simviation as far as enhancing the textures. I habve a feeling though that if that's what it looks like from the start, the textures are probably coded into the model and won't allow for any real enhancements.

Also, didn't IRIS do a detailed Mig-29? (just checked. . .they did a standard Fulcrum as well as a Naval version, but both are FS9 model)

**IanP** · December 31st, 2009, 02:28

And there's the FCS/AFS Design one, which no doubt you'll find a limited beta of over at Avsim as he seems to release a new demo of his stuff every ten minutes.

It's not FSX Native, but does work in Accel. Not DX10, obviously.

***falcon409*** · December 31st, 2009, 02:30

Checked the one on Simviation and I'll pass on that one as the texturing is very odd and doesn't really allow for enhancements.

**Hanimichal** · December 31st, 2009, 03:31

Here is other to test what can be do:

http://www.flightsimworld.com/downlo...file/1768.html

**Warrant** · December 31st, 2009, 04:11

Abacus has a rather nice one (basic, but better modelled then the AFS version). The DVC however is very basic. It is included in their latest modern fighters package, as well as a SU-33. Perhaps there is a trial version (as normally is the fact with Abacus), which can be used for a week. The AFS Fulcrum has a strangely modelled cockpit (outside), a bit too wide to be realistic.

Edit: here is the Abacus link http://www.abacuspub.com/default_fs.html

**Hanimichal** · December 31st, 2009, 04:29

Originally Posted by Warrant

Abacus has a rather nice one (basic, but better modelled then the AFS version). The DVC however is very basic. It is included in their latest modern fighters package, as well as a SU-33. Perhaps there is a trial version (as normally is the fact with Abacus), which can be used for a week. The AFS Fulcrum has a strangely modelled cockpit (outside), a bit too wide to be realistic.

Edit: here is the Abacus link http://www.abacuspub.com/default_fs.html

This 2 aircraft is very very deferents in flights and visual:

**IanP** · December 31st, 2009, 05:15

I just threw the AFS one on from the box that FCS sent me to take a look at the front end and, while I'm still not a fan of it at all (engines running, you're moving - the brakes can't hold it still, which is another bad thing) I did see one interesting effect.

Andreas Meyer has used the technique on the canopy transparency which causes it to chop holes in autogen and clouds rather than disappear behind them. I've seen the same effect with the rotor blades of the Simshed Wessex models. In this instance, however, the canopy is dark enough that the effect is minimised and it is actually quite effective at minimising the "FS9ness" of the transparency.

So... AFS Bad:
- air file.
- nose modelling.

AFS Good:
- Canopy transparency
- Comes with a scenery for Rostock Laage (which I don't like either, but it's better than I could do right now

)

Pity the bad stuff is the important bits and the good stuff is secondary really, isn't it?

(Edited to add: Good grief the air file on this sucks. I just tried to land it. Uninstalling now!)

**Bjoern** · December 31st, 2009, 07:05

Originally Posted by IanP

- Comes with a scenery for Rostock Laage (which I don't like either, but it's better than I could do right now

)

That scenery looks like it was made for FS2000.

Heck, even I can do better than that.

**Cag40Navy** · December 31st, 2009, 10:35

Originally Posted by krazycolin

Lotus is working on one as we speak... be a while though... he did just start.

does anyone know where Lotus said this?

**Warrant** · December 31st, 2009, 10:44

Originally Posted by Hanimichal

This 2 aircraft is very very deferents in flights and visual:

Nice pic's, but....your point being?

Good news is that Lotus has the Fulcrum covered (hope they include the UB, K and SMT versions as well), including the entire range of missiles and goodies (HMS, Gardenya, old and newer RWR display etc). Now i'd like to see a great Flanker family for FSX as well, especially the dual seat SU-30 series (MKK, MKI, MKV, MKA etc). And if Lotus quality, some single seat Flankers as well.

**Cag40Navy** · December 31st, 2009, 10:50

Originally Posted by Warrant

Nice pic's, but....your point being?

Good news is that Lotus has the Fulcrum covered (hope they include the UB, K and SMT versions as well), including the entire range of missiles and goodies (HMS, Gardenya, old and newer RWR display etc). Now i'd like to see a great Flanker family for FSX as well, especially the dual seat SU-30 series (MKK, MKI, MKV, MKA etc). And if Lotus quality, some single seat Flankers as well.

that would be nice!
now, where what Lotus saying he was doing a MiG-29?

**IanP** · December 31st, 2009, 11:08

On the L-39 thread - or one of the many L-39 threads - he said that his next project would be a MiG-29 as that was what pilots moved on to from the Albatross.

I'm not going to go and find it, because if you really need to read it yourself, you may wish to read it in context, but he certainly said it. He also said it would be a while coming, however.

**Cag40Navy** · December 31st, 2009, 11:17

Originally Posted by IanP

On the L-39 thread - or one of the many L-39 threads - he said that his next project would be a MiG-29 as that was what pilots moved on to from the Albatross.

I'm not going to go and find it, because if you really need to read it yourself, you may wish to read it in context, but he certainly said it. He also said it would be a while coming, however.

you dont need to find it, just wanted to know where.
Thanks!

**IanP** · December 31st, 2009, 11:22

Originally Posted by Bjoern

That scenery looks like it was made for FS2000.

Heck, even I can do better than that.

Please do. We're still very sadly lacking scenery for FSX... Particularly freeware scenery.

(And no, I'm not being facetious... The only reason I'm releasing the stuff I do is because so few people are!)

Edit: Sorry Cag40Navy - that previous post came across a lot more snappy than intended. I shall go and stare blankly at gmax for ten minutes trying to work out planar UVW mapping in penance for unintentional grumpyness. :d

**Lotus** · December 31st, 2009, 14:25

Hi Cag. Indeed the Mig-29 is my next project, specifically the G model (which is a Luftwaffe modified A model) to start, and possibly others. Whether I will have a carrier capable K model or not as well, it's too early to say, but it's on my options list for later. I haven't made a unique post about it or anything because I am rather self conscious about promoting my stuff in public, I really prefer not to hehe. Also after 10 years of working in mainstream game development I've become very wary of showing "work in progress" stuff at all, it always tended to cause more problems than it solved, which is why the L-39's development was a very quiet affair publicity wise.

Anyway, long story short, I hope to have it done by the end of the year, but there are so many new things I have to learn in order to pull it off that it's hard to say at this point how long it will ultimately take. It's a challenging and fun endeavour so far though, and the MiG-29's shape is something I certainly never tire of looking at, an essential element considering I'll be looking at that one thing day in day out for a long time to come.

Cheers.

Ian: UV mapping is the *worst* punishment possible, don't be hard on yourself. It's the one phase of building a plane that I truly and utterly dread. The tedium....

-Mike

**Wombat_VC** · January 1st, 2010, 19:23

Originally Posted by Lotus

Hi Cag. Indeed the Mig-29 is my next project, specifically the G model (which is a Luftwaffe modified A model) to start, and possibly others. Whether I will have a carrier capable K model or not as well, it's too early to say, but it's on my options list for later. I haven't made a unique post about it or anything because I am rather self conscious about promoting my stuff in public, I really prefer not to hehe. Also after 10 years of working in mainstream game development I've become very wary of showing "work in progress" stuff at all, it always tended to cause more problems than it solved, which is why the L-39's development was a very quiet affair publicity wise.

Anyway, long story short, I hope to have it done by the end of the year, but there are so many new things I have to learn in order to pull it off that it's hard to say at this point how long it will ultimately take. It's a challenging and fun endeavour so far though, and the MiG-29's shape is something I certainly never tire of looking at, an essential element considering I'll be looking at that one thing day in day out for a long time to come.

Cheers.

Ian: UV mapping is the *worst* punishment possible, don't be hard on yourself. It's the one phase of building a plane that I truly and utterly dread. The tedium....

-Mike

Please include the Strizhi Aerobatic Team livery.

http://www.strizhi.info/

**Cag40Navy** · January 1st, 2010, 19:49

Originally Posted by Lotus

Hi Cag. Indeed the Mig-29 is my next project, specifically the G model (which is a Luftwaffe modified A model) to start, and possibly others. Whether I will have a carrier capable K model or not as well, it's too early to say, but it's on my options list for later. I haven't made a unique post about it or anything because I am rather self conscious about promoting my stuff in public, I really prefer not to hehe. Also after 10 years of working in mainstream game development I've become very wary of showing "work in progress" stuff at all, it always tended to cause more problems than it solved, which is why the L-39's development was a very quiet affair publicity wise.

-Mike

Thanks Mike!