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  1. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Clayton View Post
    As for the Starliner, I found the video of the work they're doing. Even the clip is that same mix. It's done in the style of a '50's promo film, but highlights the modern resto work. The flight deck looks to be set up like a modern airliner. There's a glimpse of it around the 3:10 mark.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjXDWhYz9UU
    Unfortunately, Lufthansa had to pull the plug on the Starliner project a couple years ago and it now sits in storage in Germany. Some of the people who had been working on the project were found to have been ripping Lufthansa off, purposely drawing the work out to get paid more. At the time the project was canceled, Lufthansa had already paid $163 million towards it, which of course is an absolutely insane amount for the work that was done.

  2. #27
    Well... That certainly blows bubbles! I hope they can restart the project sooner than later. It would be fantastic to see her in the skies.

  3. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Clayton View Post
    Well... That certainly blows bubbles! I hope they can restart the project sooner than later. It would be fantastic to see her in the skies.
    That will never fly again,i think.......i read somewere.......to bad

  4. #29
    Hermes, Patron Saint of Vintage Aircraft (a.o) put a stop to this ill-fated and unlawful undertaking.

    He would not and could not allow the internal of a Lockheed Constellation, the most beautiful propliner ever build, being disgraced by the insertion of a godless glass cockpit. Not only would it have been total madness, it would have been pure sacrilege.

  5. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Clayton View Post
    I realize my desire for the old/new blending may be considered heresy, but I also believe that it could bring in an entirely new customer base. Get the people that are used to flying the hair dryers with their modern systems to set foot (virtually) in some old heavy iron, and maybe they'll get interested in learning how it was done before "glass" was invented.
    Exactly !

    But here you want to replace the "how it was done" method (i.e. steam gauges) with a glass cockpit ?.. How will they learn ??.... ( they'll probabely take up their phones and Google 'steam gauges'... )

    Not only once i have been totally surprised by comments here and on Avsim by flightsimmers, and certainly not the youngest, who were asking about how to use VOR and ADF stations. For years they only had been using GPS. A total mystery to me. Back in FS5 i started with using real (but outdated) Jeppesen en-route and terminal charts, binders full of 'em. Still have them but a few years later the release of a superb freeware nav program (can't remember its name... FSNav ??...) made it all redundand. Easy does it but the use of real Jeppesen charts was a LOT more fun. ( as was 'flying the needles', luckily we can still do that)

  6. #31
    Jan-

    We are to blame for a generation that does not revere history and hard work, rather always demands to be spoon fed and catered to. I'm with you. Let the glass PFD/ND do what it is intended to, and the Sperry and Gyrosun do what it was supposed to- and LET NEVER THE TWAIN MEET! Heck, I refuse to put a GPS in mine. SIDS and STARS are perfectly flyable with raw data reference (for now, until the FAA in its infinite wisdom starts decimating the VOR population).

    We are also to blame for the fact that most of this generation cannot spell sacrilegious.

    C

    PS- don't forget Little NavMap (with Sectional overlay). That too does a bang up job, but even there I use Skyvector more as it forces me to "find" my position rather than rely on a pretty aeroplane symbol.

  7. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Javis View Post
    So, you mean something like this :



    Personally, I'd rather turn into a real life garden gnome in charge of the dungheap then to step inside the cockpit of my beloved Spitfire and be confronted with this...

    Leave vintage cockpits with steam gauges. They belong together. If you want to fly a glass cockpit choose one of the plastic bathtubs with wings. They also belong together. And plenty to find in MSFS.

    Sorry Tom, comments about vintage aircraft in combination with modern instruments will send shivers down my spine (check out Manfred's C-47 in FSX/P3D to know what that could lead to..).

    And particularly since your comment is here in a topic about the PMDG DC-6 which features one of the finest and most beautiful steam-gauge cockpits ever. You don't want them to go mess about with that, i'm sure.

    Still, all IMHO of course.


    Trouble is, a proportion of aviation rule makers prompted by litiginious lawyers have decided old aircraft should be banned from flying unless they have certain bits of kit installed, retrofitting the garmin glass cockpit stuff enables them to fit these bits of kit , and have necessary cockpit displays, wher there wouldn't otherwise be room.

    I don't like it either.

    Ttfn

    Pete ( licensed aeroplane engineer)

  8. #33
    The thing is, if modern avionics and GPS are provided as an option in the cockpits of vintage aircraft in MSFS (which I would personally love), can we please (pretty please?) have it done to actually match at least one real-world subject? Instead of having an avionics/GPS option that is completely fictional (only existing in a video game world), it would be so much nicer to have an actual real-world depiction. The old Realair Spitfire package was great in this regard. Many real-world classic aircraft and warbird cockpit modifications are done in a way that they don't really take anything away from the authenticity of the cockpit, other than, in the case of warbirds, perhaps removing the gunsight (often considered a safety hazard anyway). This is especially the case with owners who desire keeping the cockpits as authentic as possible while still being FAA-compliant and allowing for ease of operation in the modern ATC environment.

    BTW, of the nearly 70 Spitfires currently flying today, the vast majority, if you were looking at them from this same perspective as below, will appear completely stock, with many of them having gunsights too, with the modern and extremely basic avionics usually hidden down at floor level.












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  10. #35
    Hmmm....we might not be buying the upcoming AH Mustang then ... see preview at Flightsim.com
    https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/conte...And-AS3x-Units
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    It does say they are optional...

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    ​Think it is time we got back to what the original idea of this thread is. It is about the PMDG DC-6. Wandering way off topic with things that have nothing to do with the DC-6 but a lot of speculation.


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    Pat


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  12. #37
    What Pat said.
    "Illegitimum non carborundum".
    Commodore 64

  13. #38
    But it wouldn't be an SOH thread if it didn't take the occasional left turn!

  14. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by AussieMan View Post
    ​Think it is time we got back to what the original idea of this thread is. It is about the PMDG DC-6. Wandering way off topic with things that have nothing to do with the DC-6 but a lot of speculation.
    There's simply nothing to talk about a possible MSFS PMDG DC-6 without speculation. That's all we have atm, isn't it..

    The DC-6 is a vintage propliner and features the perfect example of what a vintage propliner's cockpit entails. IMHO it is much more interesting to discuss a vintage cockpit in relation to modern instruments than to speculate about the price the DC-6 is going to cost us... What could be a better subject than the DC-6 to know about people's stance towards the vintage/modern instruments 'dilemma' ...

    Oh, and Tom started it, not me..

    P.S. and the fact that i went for a Spitfire- instead of a DC-6 cockpit as an example is because i don't want PMDG to get any ideas.. ;-)

  15. #40
    In my honest opinion, this is all because of the C.C.C., the Coffee Cup Crowd. I don't trust them and never will, LOL.

  16. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Javis View Post
    There's simply nothing to talk about a possible MSFS PMDG DC-6 without speculation. That's all we have atm, isn't it..

    The DC-6 is a vintage propliner and features the perfect example of what a vintage propliner's cockpit entails. IMHO it is much more interesting to discuss a vintage cockpit in relation to modern instruments than to speculate about the price the DC-6 is going to cost us... What could be a better subject than the DC-6 to know about people's stance towards the vintage/modern instruments 'dilemma' ...

    Oh, and Tom started it, not me..

    P.S. and the fact that i went for a Spitfire- instead of a DC-6 cockpit as an example is because i don't want PMDG to get any ideas.. ;-)
    Jan- LOVE IT!

  17. #42
    Thanks Carl, we need to be vigilant when it comes to our pins and needles, éh ?..

    Maybe good time to, on popular demand, close the glass cockpit subject but not without one last piccie here :



    The PMDG DC-6 VC shows that integrating a modern instrument in a vintage steam gauge cockpit could actually work very well. I'd be quite happy with this, i hope Tom will be too.

    For people who might've missed it, a quote from Mr.PMDG himself : " If you have hung around the PMDG forum for any length of time, you know by now that I am a sucker for vintage airplanes. Of all of our products, the one nearest and dearest to my heart is the DC-6, as this product represents a hard-working, classic era of aviation where the mere act of intercontinental flying was barely short of a miracle. The sights, sounds, smells of this era of aviation have long since departed the common travel scene, but our DC-6 keeps them alive by giving PMDG customers the finest Douglas propliner simulation available. "

    And also : "We have been hard at work on the DC-6 of late we think you will be blown away by the improvements. I promised the team that I would do a bit of flight testing with it this weekend, so here is a quick screen grab from my desktop of the DC-6 of her awaiting an evening test flight.." ( i did not copy the screenie because it's very dark and hard to see what we're looking at)

    And one last remark by Mr. Randazzo that makes me quite reassured about the authenticity of the forthcoming PMDG DC-6 VC : "And with that I am off to join my four-engine, fire breathing, smoke belching, oil dripping mistress..."

    Nobody will have the nerve to put a glass cockpit into a four-engine, fire breathing, smoke belching, oil dripping mistress..

    I guess we'll be sitting pretty, Carl.

  18. #43
    I'd be quite happy with this, i hope Tom will be too.


    (As long as the price is reasonable, that is...)

  19. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by keithb77 View Post
    I'm with Javis on this one ... that 'Spitfire' is a travesty...
    Absolutely !!!

  20. #45
    It's a good thing those Garmin units are completely optional. How quick some of you are to throw the entire plane out with even the notion of glass. From what I've seen of the aircraft itself, it looks like it might give the FlyingIron a run for its money. That said, I'm always prepared to eat my words...

  21. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Clayton View Post
    There's a real-world group restoring the last (?) L-1649 to flying condition by rebuilding it from the ground up. They're also including glass. Count me as a fan, since this is what's realistically needed in order to fly in the modern world. It also fits with my love of anything that looks vintage on the outside but is thoroughly modern inside, like the heretical practice of putting a fuel injected crate engine under the hood of a '65 'Vette. You get the beauty of the old with the reliability of the new!
    Sadly that is no longer the case. The L-1649A was stopped by the corporate bean counters at Lufthansa. The aircraft was taken from Maine to Germany and is now in storage there with a rather certain future. But since the L-1649A was never meant to have it's wing removed there is no FAA approved procedure to do so. That means Lockheed would now have to come up with that....in order to make the airframe airworthy again.

    The cockpit rebuild was going to be a rather tasteful mix of old and new to keep the aircrafts historic side alive as well as fly in the 21st century airspace including pressurized flight trans ocean. All of which in hindsight was just too much at once.

    I would gladly pay 100$ for a MSFS version of the L-1649A .... not sure a DC6 is worth that much to me.

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