Released! Spitfire Mk IXc for Microsoft Flight Simulator

***K5083*** · March 26th, 2021, 08:51

Originally Posted by Alan_A

All that said... the rudder authority does increase suddenly and sharply midway through the roll, and not in an organic way. I'll wonder if that's related to Marcel's findings about yaw speed. Still curious to see how that applies to the Waco as well.

The sudden yaw issue is pretty much accepted as an issue with the sim, at this point. It certainly affects the FI Spitfire as well as the Waco, and most other planes which, like these, are basically port-overs from other sims.

Another issue since the last update, I believe, is that small aircraft taxi too fast at idle throttle and are very difficult to slow down after landing. I believe the surface friction was tweaked to appease the big tube flyers who protested that it took too much throttle to start and keep rolling in those birds. In fixing that, they screwed up the small planes. I find it necessary to ride the brakes in planes like the Spitfire, keeping them at about 25% at all times except for takeoff. I try to remember to set them before landing, so that I don't have to remember to do it after touchdown when my hands are full with trying not to scrape a wing tip. None of this is real-world standard procedure, of course, and none of it reflects a fault with any particular model, although some seem to cope with MSFS's quirks better than others.

August

**Bomber_12th** · March 26th, 2021, 09:27

Marcel, it is fantastic to see the repaint of TB885! I like that you keep the rivet detail subtle too, like the product paint schemes, which looks very realistic/lifelike, and the authentic propeller blade stencils/decals you've added to your repaints is also greatly appreciated. Speaking of stencils, one thing I don't like about the product paint schemes is for some reason they have the red stencils on top of the wings only added on the starboard wing, where as they should be present on both wings.

For those that may not know, Spitfire Mk.XVI TB885 is owned by Dutchman Fritz van Eerd, and is registered in the Netherlands as PH-FVE. I've heard that Fritz van Eerd also recently acquired Spitfire T.9 MJ772 (G-AVAV), which is operated with "Fly a Spitfire" at the Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar in the UK - https://flyaspitfire.com/the-story-of-mj772 - and of course he is also the owner of the Dunkirk-veteran Spitfire Mk.I P9372 (G-CLIH) that is advancing right along in its rebuild to fly at the Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar - https://allspitfirepilots.org/conten...es/IMG4693.JPG -. A lot of effort is going into making it the most authentic Mk.I restoration yet seen.

**Bomber_12th** · March 26th, 2021, 09:39

The other evening I've started working on a repaint depicting the Hangar 11 Collection's restored Russian-veteran Spitfire Mk.IX PT879 (G-PTIX), though it may take me a little while until it is completed/released. It would be nice to eventually have an accurate repaint of every restored and flying Mk.IX and high-back Mk.XVI.

**mgr** · March 26th, 2021, 12:00

Hi John,

Originally Posted by Bomber_12th

Speaking of stencils, one thing I don't like about the product paint schemes is for some reason they have the red stencils on top of the wings only added on the starboard wing, where as they should be present on both wings.

Plan is to do all the stencils, present on the bird. Was only wondering which way the text is written:
"NOT TO BE"
"WALKED ON"

Would to me be logical to point to the cockpit/innerwing? Could not make that out on real-life photo's.

Marcel

**Bomber_12th** · March 26th, 2021, 12:11

**mgr** · March 27th, 2021, 05:51

STENCIL TIME!

PS
For the details does anyone have pictures of the PH-FVE/TB885 from late 2020 or even 2021?
Did see on one picture the orange triangle has now a black edge, just want to confirm this.

**Bomber_12th** · March 27th, 2021, 07:48

Marcel, I haven't seen any photos showing it with a black edge around the orange triangle. The restored Spitfire RW382, which used to sport similar markings of the same squadron (coded 3W-P), did have a black outline around the orange triangle.

This is the most recent photo I've seen of PH-FVE/TB885, taken in August 2020: https://www.planespotters.net/photo/...arine-spitfire

Here is a photo from 2019 which shows the artwork on the port cowl to good effect: https://www.flickr.com/photos/124881...16916/sizes/o/

**mgr** · March 27th, 2021, 09:41

Hi John,

This picture did make me wonder if they changed it, however still in doubt of the spitfire in the picture is the TB885/PH-FVE:

https://www.airplane-pictures.net/ph...itfire-mk-xvi/

Oh, wait a second, conflicting data here, both 2018 and 2020 are mentioned. So gather it's from 2018 and the aircraft is NOT the TB885.

Marcel

**Bomber_12th** · March 27th, 2021, 11:00

Yeah, Marcel, that one in the photo you linked to is RW382 (G-PBIX) in its old scheme, and the photo dates from 2016. The photographer has identified it wrong. In 2016, TB885 of course wasn't restored/finished yet.

....

Speaking of RW382 however, that one, as of last fall, is now painted in American markings as "Porky II" of the 31st FG, 309th FS, which would be another brilliant repaint to see done:
https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...49&oe=6083F4B7
https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...a6&oe=6087059D
https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9849109

Photos taken after nose art was added and 'PU' under the chin cowl:
https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...1a&oe=6085A961
https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...14&oe=60833EF6
https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...39&oe=60848678

**Alan_A** · March 27th, 2021, 12:09

Originally Posted by Bomber_12th

Yeah, it's one of the unfortunate aspects (like the inverted carb cutout) where they seem to have confused some aspects of the Mk.1 Spitfire with that of the (very different) Mk.IX Spitfire. The -1 Nose Down elevator trim setting is accurate to a Mk.1 Spitfire, while a +1 Nose Up trim setting is accurate to a Mk.IX Spitfire. At least when setting the elevator trim to +1 Nose Up in the FlyingIron Spitfire Mk.IX, matching real-world, it works properly well. It's too bad that the majority of users will never look beyond the included product checklist, and as a result will never be properly setting-up the aircraft in the sim as you would in real life.

Agree - bound to be frustrating (it was for me) to be trimmed out in such a way that it's nearly impossible to get off the ground. Hope they'll revise the manual at some point.

**Alan_A** · March 27th, 2021, 12:13

Originally Posted by K5083

The sudden yaw issue is pretty much accepted as an issue with the sim, at this point. It certainly affects the FI Spitfire as well as the Waco, and most other planes which, like these, are basically port-overs from other sims.

Another issue since the last update, I believe, is that small aircraft taxi too fast at idle throttle and are very difficult to slow down after landing. I believe the surface friction was tweaked to appease the big tube flyers who protested that it took too much throttle to start and keep rolling in those birds. In fixing that, they screwed up the small planes. I find it necessary to ride the brakes in planes like the Spitfire, keeping them at about 25% at all times except for takeoff. I try to remember to set them before landing, so that I don't have to remember to do it after touchdown when my hands are full with trying not to scrape a wing tip. None of this is real-world standard procedure, of course, and none of it reflects a fault with any particular model, although some seem to cope with MSFS's quirks better than others.

August

Tried the Waco again last night and got the same lurch as soon as I lifted the tail. Works fine as long as you adopt a new set of sim-only procedures for it.

Had just noticed that about the braking - have been watching my aircraft ease slowly to a stop under full brake pressure, the kind that'd ordinarily stand the plane on its nose.

Really do hope they fix it at some point.

But in the meantime, as long as I'm able to fly the aircraft in their own special way, it's manageable

Happy to let the thread get back on track now.

**Fnerg** · March 30th, 2021, 22:41

Working away on this today.

Still have work to do, but I thought I'd share. Thanks for your advice Jan Kees on the packing for MSFS, I think I figured it out. Now If I could just get the stripes to line up!

Spit Y2-K by Doug Smith, on Flickr

***jankees*** · March 31st, 2021, 01:31

Originally Posted by Fnerg

Working away on this today.

Still have work to do, but I thought I'd share. Thanks for your advice Jan Kees on the packing for MSFS, I think I figured it out. Now If I could just get the stripes to line up!

Spit Y2-K by Doug Smith, on Flickr

Doug, look at the left elevator, in the paintkit not everything is in the right position unfortunately...

***jankees*** · March 31st, 2021, 12:14

playing with metal....what do you think? too shiny? not enough? too light? too dark?

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**mgr** · March 31st, 2021, 23:59

Hoi Jan Kees,

Originally Posted by jankees

playing with metal....what do you think? too shiny? not enough? too light? too dark?

Depends how shiny the original is

Think the effect is not overdone, so looks good to me.

Marcel

***jankees*** · April 1st, 2021, 03:13

Originally Posted by mgr

Hoi Jan Kees,
Depends how shiny the original is

Think the effect is not overdone, so looks good to me.

Marcel

**mgr** · April 2nd, 2021, 10:38

The PH-FVE repaint is available:

https://flightsim.to/file/11655/supe...3w-v-s-n-tb885

***jankees*** · April 2nd, 2021, 12:37

Very nice!

**Brad617** · April 2nd, 2021, 14:40

20210402232155_1 by Brad617, on Flickr

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20210402232854_1 by Brad617, on Flickr

Finally managed to work out how to post properly on here...something I'm currently working on - Spitfire MD124.

Brad