Twelve 'O'Clock High - AH-B-17F

[Ian Warren]

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/08/30/1.jpg

[jandmbear]

8 BALL Looks amazing! will it be available for download?:jump:

[bazzar]

It already is. It is part of the revised upgrade package.

Nice Idea Ian thanks for sharing.:engel016:

[Ian Warren]

:encouragement: Thanks Barry, mate Marty just stopped thru here this morning, you probably have another sale there, course all other work went on pause yesterday, night before that was the Movie .... yesterday was paint and play :adoration:

[usafvet]

No "Picadilly Lily"?

[Ian Warren]

No "Picadilly Lily"?
:untroubled: Not quite yet .. "Mother and Country" incoming ... the 'BELLE' needs a team mate ! ... later today maybe :encouragement:

[glh]

"HOT COCK" (25836). Transfer to 2nd BG 14 Jan 43. MIA Sofia 24 Jan 44. Hit by falling bombs from another B-17.

http://32ndbombsquadron.com/32ndgallery.html

[Ian Warren]

"HOT COCK" (25836). Transfer to 2nd BG 14 Jan 43. MIA Sofia 24 Jan 44. Hit by falling bombs from another B-17.

http://32ndbombsquadron.com/32ndgallery.html



THANKS glh , that is some brilliant resource , I do have a lot here but you filled in the gaps on many :adoration::very_drunk:

[Bomber_12th]

Really great screenshots, Ian!

I finally read Paul Tibbet's book last year, and it was quite interesting to learn that, as well as having been the lead/command pilot of the first US B-17 mission over Europe (credit that has usually gone to Col. Frank Armstrong due to rank (for which the Gen. Frank Savage (Gregory Peck) character is based on)) with the 97th BG, it was this Group (first 8th AF unit to arrive in England), that the "Twelve O'clock High" story was based on, and the character/role of Major Cobb in the movie was based on/inspired by Paul Tibbets. As part of the 340th BS, 97th BG, Tibbets' own personal Fortress was the B-17F-10 41-24444, named "The Red Gremlin". Part of his crew included Thomas Ferebee and Dutch Van Kirk, both of whom he would also later call-up to crew with him on the "Enola Gay". While still flying combat missions with the 97th BG, Tibbets was chosen to take his assigned B-17 and fly Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower from England to Gibraltar, ahead of Operation Torch/invasion of North Africa - I've read elsewhere that he was selected for this task as he had a reputation as being the best pilot in the Aircorps. (North Africa was also where Tibbets would serve next, during which time, among so many other historic events he was part of throughout the war, he was actually in the right-seat during perhaps the most famous B-26 Marauder demonstration flown by Jimmy Doolittle, when Doolittle looped it, and did a slew of other maneuvers, all with one engine shut-down, to prove to the weary B-26 pilots that it was "just another airplane", as Doolittle professed.)


BTW, here are the two original wartime B-17's (from the 100th BG), for which the name for one of the main B-17's featured in both the movie and TV series, "Twelve O'clock High", were likely based on.



B-17F 42-5864 "Piccadilly Lily"

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th076/42-5864_zpslcoxmtpe.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th076/42-5864_zpslcoxmtpe.jpg.html)


B-17G 42-37800 "Piccadilly Lilly II" - color version: http://147084544c678448852d-ddcc53207dce6036b290906311a424f9.r57.cf3.rackcdn.c om/rfc/FRE_005904.jpg


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th077/media-407337_zps4sukgaqb.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th077/media-407337_zps4sukgaqb.jpg.html)

[glh]

I went to Joe Baugher's Aircraft Serial Number web site and downloaded ALL the B-17F data. Data for 42-5836 follows (inclusive in a block of 50 B-17F's):

42-5805 ... 42-5854
Lockheed/Vega B-17F-25-VE Fortress
c/n 6101/6150

5836 (2nd BG, 49th BS) lost Jan 24, 1944. MACR 1993

If you want a copy of the file, let me know where to send it. It is a 345kB text file.

[DaveSHQ]

Does the paint kit for this aircraft have a white layer that gives it that 'frost' look?

if so I'll purchase and do some of my own repaints.

[bazzar]

Do you mean ambient occlusion? If so, yes it does.:engel016:

[Ian Warren]

Really great screenshots, Ian!


Thank You John , great history posting to go with very typical load of information from you ... Think we need also some "little friends" with your 51's to hook into formation , just to spice it up.

[Ian Warren]

if so I'll purchase and do some of my own repaints.
Dave .. Go for it :encouragement:

[DaveSHQ]

Dave .. Go for it :encouragement:

not to say I'm better then anyone else lol. I know that isn't true.

[Ian Warren]

not to say I'm better then anyone else lol. I know that isn't true.
Matey .. one off the biggest things , reading over many off the art forums early ... Its people like us , you who really get the ball rolling regard to the history one extra ... Yeah e are all going to say have John AKA "Bomber_12th" to finish us off .. I've truly been studying photos ... Crikey a little paint now for for just going 11 hours ... simply this subject and aircraft really intrigues me .. must be the growing up as a kid thing.

[Willy]

Crikey a little paint now for for just going 11 hours ... simply this subject and aircraft really intrigues me .. must be the growing up as a kid thing.

I know the feeling. I've got a folder on my desktop full of P-80 Shooting Stars in various stages of paint. I'll take a break from them and work on something else for a day or so, then back to the Lockheeds....

[Ian Warren]

I know the feeling. I've got a folder on my desktop full of P-80 Shooting Stars in various stages of paint. I'll take a break from them and work on something else for a day or so, then back to the Lockheeds....
I simply left the books open from last night, come back this morning with ... Willy , maybe give me an extra charge, I like your idea:untroubled: ... Spray and Paint and Walk Away.

[pilto von pilto]

I think if you're like most of us at AH ,you're either ex plastic modellers or current plastic modellers. and that dedication to getting things right and the " the pilot would have used that part of the cowl to enter the plane so that part is more worn " type of attention to detail comes from there.

Dont get Baz started on his monogram and other 60's era plastic model collection. DO NOT.

And some of the boys here also do the same thing. They'll jump from a military subject to a civilian and then back again. Keeps your mind refreshed and whilst your working on one you are thinking about the other. We're bad like that. :biggrin-new:

[Ian Warren]

Dont get Baz started on his monogram and other 60's era plastic model collection. DO NOT.
:biggrin-new:
Sorta like this :very_drunk:
http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/09/02/DSCF3062Custom.jpg
:encouragement:

[Willy]

I simply left the books open from last night, come back this morning with ... Willy , maybe give me an extra charge, I like your idea:untroubled: ... Spray and Paint and Walk Away.

A lot of times when I've stepped away for a bit, I get a new idea on how to do something that I probably wouldn't have got if I'd kept slogging away at it. I took a break from starting any new P-80 paints this morning and cleaned up my template bitmaps for some better detail. I'm used to working with FS9 and keep forgetting that in FSX, you can get a lot more detail into one.

[Ian Warren]

Willy truthfully I think it comes down to putting the extra's in, you have to walk away .... most times is fly what you have got and study it and look, that makes it a double whammy .. best off both worlds:encouragement:

[511Flyer]

http://s26.postimg.org/yimceca21/bass6.jpg

Den.

[Ian Warren]

Den , that will do me for starters :encouragement: ... Tighten that formation up , we don't Jerry sneaking thru :untroubled:

[pilto von pilto]

Sorta like this :very_drunk:
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:encouragement:


That seriously looks like what I expect Baz's desk looks like now. Perhaps with more tea spillage though. :engel016:

[Ian Warren]

That seriously looks like what I expect Baz's desk looks like now. Perhaps with more tea spillage though. :engel016:
Hmmm Tea .. I guess that cancels out going to the bottle store this afternoon then :adoration:

[Ian Warren]

I went to Joe Baugher's Aircraft Serial Number web site and downloaded ALL the B-17F data. Data for 42-5836 follows (inclusive in a block of 50 B-17F's):

42-5805 ... 42-5854
Lockheed/Vega B-17F-25-VE Fortress
c/n 6101/6150

5836 (2nd BG, 49th BS) lost Jan 24, 1944. MACR 1993

If you want a copy of the file, let me know where to send it. It is a 345kB text file.
Sorry GLH , I missed your posting , that is a lot off work to compiled by Joe , very handy for future reference :encouragement:

[Willy]

When I'm doing research for a paint, Joe's has been a regular stop for years. Usually to see if he has anything on that particular aircraft (I like to have as complete a history on it as I can). I'm thinking about doing some fictional 1946 era P-80 paints and found a block of canceled P-80 tail numbers at Joe's that I can use so the rivet counters can't fuss about what the aircraft really looked like.

[Ian Warren]

I think its great with this resource, It amazing how much information comes back after stating an interesting topic, then again its amazing how much information was thrown away without thinking and not documented with the thought others want to see it even the seventy years later.
It is just as much fun doing the research but sometimes at lot has to go to the artist licence department. :untroubled:

[Ian Warren]

Off course "Mother and Country is fiction , tail number go's with but off course you need a Boeing to go with the 'Belle'
http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/09/06/267798.jpg

[Ian Warren]

Its a start "Mother and Country" to Flightsim.com, I changed it with a B17-10-15 with the nose astrodome, thought it a little more appropriate to meet the movie model. Now to look at another .... "Idiots Delight" always stuck me in the center page off Roger A. Freeman's B-17 Fortress at War :encouragement:

[dhasdell]

I think this pic rather captures the mood.

[Ian Warren]

dhasdell, :engel016: Almost known as one off the iconic WWII B-17 photos, I saw the caption mentioned in a photo day or so back .

[dhasdell]

Well, actually it's in IL-2 Sturmovik 1946, but I thought I'd slip it in.

[Ian Warren]

Should have look a little more carefully , they are 'G's