FSX Native Flyingboats?

[Peg o my heart]

First of all, I would like to apologize if this has been discussed to death but I had difficulty to track a similar topic in SOH. Apart from the great Aerosoft's Pig Boat, has there been any working Boeing 314 Clippers for FSX or something like China Clippers or other pre-war flyingboats? We got a handful of floatplanes and amphibs. Thanks

[Tako_Kichi]

Search the AVSIM or FlightSim file libraries for 'Jens B. Kristensen'. Jens made a bunch of freeware seaplanes for FSX. The external models look superb but be aware that the VCs are not payware quality but are functional.

[Spad54]

First of all, I would like to apologize if this has been discussed to death but I had difficulty to track a similar topic in SOH. Apart from the great Aerosoft's Pig Boat, has there been any working Boeing 314 Clippers for FSX or something like China Clippers or other pre-war flyingboats? We got a handful of floatplanes and amphibs. Thanks
We modeled the Douglas Dolphin a while back which included the pre-war Catalina Island seaplane base scenery. It's still available on or website and most vendors

[Bjoern]

PutPut's R6Y Tradewind should qualify.

[Roger]

Jens made the Shorts Empire flying boats in FsX Native as well as Fs9. Here shown with a repaint by Damian Radice (Windrunner):

http://i.imgbox.com/vly51XrP.jpg (http://imgbox.com/vly51XrP)

http://i.imgbox.com/EAIyIP7L.jpg (http://imgbox.com/EAIyIP7L)

[robert41]

I like the Jens M130 clipper. The FSX version work well in FSX. Have not been able to find a B314 made to work in FSX. Perhaps some one knows of one?

[Cirrus N210MS]

the aerosoft Catalina Flying Boat is my Fav For FSX

:wavey:
and calling it a Pig is not cool Its one of the best Long Range Flying Boats you can have it earned the right to be called by its name
Being Flown By The Allies in WW2 to save Down Pilots and to Sinking enemy ships Its insult to call it a Pig!

:redfire:

PBY catalina Flying Boat a True American Hero!
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSr94VU2y_ttGEaV-m-M4jn1YY0OqIoqFoo4ImHvj4ElDoA5SqA
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTICLXaaWG5B5sxOmSm-bs1dFSSV785bWGLkpqle5O6ZJZFOb3tQQ

[Paul Domingue]

Don't forget all the great amphibians. Flagrant promotion.

[Bill Kestell]

I use Mike Stone's Boeing 314 in both my FS9 and FSX installs. I have the Pilot's B-314 and it's great in FS9 (unless you use Golden Wings scenery ... then the spinning prop is messed up).

Spad54 ... love your Dolphin and appreciate you including a CNAC skin. I fly a lot in 1930s China and the Dolphin gets a workout. Now, if I could convince you to add a Keystone-Loening C4H to your hangar ... I'd be in clover because it's sorely missing. I have some information on it if there's any interest. I'll push my luck and throw in a request for the Single engine "1930" as well since I have 3 photos of it in China with CNAC markings.

I've found that nearly all FS9-built will port over. Yes, you have to diddle with the props and some other issues ... but if I can do them ... :pop4:

JBK and Deitmer both did a ton of flying boats and Paul Clawson's Consolidated Commodore.

[YoYo]

Id like to see one day good modelled Short S.25 Sunderland for FSX/P3D.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DVKTnT_-7Us/USlZlU4LOfI/AAAAAAAABx4/lExsGCCnJos/s1600/short_sunderland2.jpg

but few days ago I returned to PBY Catalina of AS, realistics engines option is very nice.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad52/rafikst/PBY%20Catalina/PBY_Catalina_2_zpskchwqisb.jpg~original

[mvg3d]

Id like to see one day good modelled Short S.25 Sunderland for FSX/P3D.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DVKTnT_-7Us/USlZlU4LOfI/AAAAAAAABx4/lExsGCCnJos/s1600/short_sunderland2.jpg.......


Hi YoYo,
What water & water effects are You using ?

[YoYo]

It isnt FSX :), just painting.

[TARPSBird]

YoYo, is that your own "Commander Aircraft South Pacific Force" paint job on the PBY or is it uploaded somewhere?

[arrowmaker]

A few years back I sent an email to FSBreak the now defunct podcast. The email was to their guest Mathias Kok, of Aerosoft. I asked about the possibility of Aerosoft developing a B314 along the lines of their Catalina. If I remember correctly the response I got was something like much as he'd like to see a native B314 for FSX, most simmers buy models of aircraft that they can physically see in real life and as such Aerosoft couldn't justify the development costs.

[YoYo]

YoYo, is that your own "Commander Aircraft South Pacific Force" paint job on the PBY or is it uploaded somewhere?

Yes, on SOH :biggrin-new: .
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?s=&catid=180&nameid=&sort=d&page=1&pp=20&keyid=947&doit=Go (stovall)

[CanadaKen]

A few years back I sent an email to FSBreak the now defunct podcast. The email was to their guest Mathias Kok, of Aerosoft. I asked about the possibility of Aerosoft developing a B314 along the lines of their Catalina. If I remember correctly the response I got was something like much as he'd like to see a native B314 for FSX, most simmers buy models of aircraft that they can physically see in real life and as such Aerosoft couldn't justify the development costs.

I've always had the feeling AS was disappointed with their Catalina sales figures.

I would also like to see a good developer build a B314. I got Mike Stone's B314 working in FSX but P3D will need someone with much more knowledge than I to get working.

CK

[Peg o my heart]

Nearly forgot I started this thread, and when I could access my PC I went to download the suggested freeware flyingboat a/c from AVSIM. It is right, the panel is quite 'old'. There is also this Short Sunderland from First Class Simulation but havent decided to jump on the fence, instead, having flown this beautiful freeware - a major update for default FSX Grumman Goose I found on OZX

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/633-ozx-grumman-goose-hd-redux-120/

It is nearly impossible I guess to have a serious Boeing 314, the only two Clipper 'survivors' are located on the bottom of The Pacific and there has not been any survivor displayed/stored, and verifying the handling characteristics would be difficult. It is very unfortunate, the Clipper is a very big romantic plane.

Ah, and the Aerosoft Cat is nice too, but I am not patient enough cruising at 100 knots at FL120 and the cylinder head is prone to overheat

[YoYo]

Btw. Do You remember this plane of Bill Lyons for FS2004?
http://www.avsim.com/pages/0404/classich/classich.htm

Sikorsky S-43 “Baby Clipper”. It was a nice addon!

http://www.avsim.com/pages/0404/classich/02aircraft_08.jpg

[dvj]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23561&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23562&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23563&stc=1A few faves in FSX and DX10
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23560&stc=1

[DaveB]

There is also this Short Sunderland from First Class Simulation but havent decided to jump on the fence..

Every time I see that in a sale, I want to buy it but the VC is dire and the bump maps give it panel lines similar to Titanic. Check out the reviews.. pretty much everyone hates it!! Darned shame as the model looks ok.

ATB
DaveB:)

[TARPSBird]

Yes, on SOH :biggrin-new: .
Thanks YoYo, got it. :encouragement:

[ejoiner]

...much as he'd like to see a native B314 for FSX, most simmers buy models of aircraft that they can physically see in real life and as such Aerosoft couldn't justify the development costs.

Disagree with this entirely. Simmers are various communities. Not just one. The Avsim folks tend to do commercial aviation. The CalClassic guys do propliners. The folks here like military. And other communities exist as well. Some of us, cut across multiple genres. Helicopters, etc. Most of what I personally like isnt around any more. Especially older military stuff.

I guess what Matthias may have been saying is his company has a limited focus with a targeted audience. Being good at a very deep level vs being a survey company, more like Alphasim was or Virtavia now?

[ejoiner]

As I recall Bills S-43 came with some nice scenery in Hawaii as well? Bill Lyons always gave great value for money. Always loved his work.

[YoYo]

As I recall Bills S-43 came with some nice scenery in Hawaii as well? Bill Lyons always gave great value for money. Always loved his work.

Yep and very nice missions with detailed briefing. It was a time and big fun!

[robert41]

The S43 was one of my favorites back in the GW3 days.

[TARPSBird]

Some years ago George Diemer came out with several versions of the Sikorsky S-43/JRS-1 for FS9. I just now copied one of the JRS-1's into FSX and it worked just fine.

[edakridge]

I found this S-43 at Flightsim.com:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23576&stc=1
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23577&stc=1
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23578&stc=1
It says "FS2004", but works fine in FSX and even has FSX views. Link: http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?searchid=37263942

[TARPSBird]

I found this S-43 at Flightsim.com. It says "FS2004", but works fine in FSX and even has FSX views. Link: http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/fslib.php?searchid=37263942
Yep, that's one of George Diemer's S-43's per my post above. Drop 'em right into FSX, no problem.

[Cees Donker]

Id like to see one day good modelled Short S.25 Sunderland for FSX/P3D.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DVKTnT_-7Us/USlZlU4LOfI/AAAAAAAABx4/lExsGCCnJos/s1600/short_sunderland2.jpg

but few days ago I returned to PBY Catalina of AS, realistics engines option is very nice.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad52/rafikst/PBY%20Catalina/PBY_Catalina_2_zpskchwqisb.jpg~original

What about the First Class Simulations Sunderland?


Cees

[Naismith]

Yep, that's one of George Diemer's S-43's per my post above. Drop 'em right into FSX, no problem.

Why I wonder is it that FlightSim.com links never work.

[BendyFlyer]

First of all, I would like to apologize if this has been discussed to death but I had difficulty to track a similar topic in SOH. Apart from the great Aerosoft's Pig Boat, has there been any working Boeing 314 Clippers for FSX or something like China Clippers or other pre-war flyingboats? We got a handful of floatplanes and amphibs. Thanks

Quite a few as everyone has suggested. The Aerosoft Catalina and the Virtavia HU16 or Grumman Albatross are the only significant payware contributions. The master craftsman of flying boats was Jens Kristensen who has covered just about everything in the transport field. A great collection of Shorts flying boats:

The Calcutta,
S5 Singapore,
S17 Kent
S23
S30
Shorts Solent
Shorts Hythe

All are available in FSX but were not designed for FSX and have limited VC's but really its the texture graphics and original modelling limits which make them a little ordinary, but if your prepared to play around with paint and panels you can make some quite passable improvements.

I have in collaboration with NZ simmer Adrian Brausch (AB) reworked the JBK into a Sunderland of sorts. AB did the paints and turret textures and I have done the cfg and VC rework.

Here's a link to the Sunderland as is but not yet ready for release. http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?55148-FSX-Screenshots-Here!!&p=921554&highlight=BendyFlyer#post921554

I have also reworked the Shorts Solent and Shorts Sandringham VC's to more look like the real aircraft did.

This is the Solent

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r684/BendyFlyer/tn_2014-12-11_11-30-3-274_zps96c047d9.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/BendyFlyer/media/tn_2014-12-11_11-30-3-274_zps96c047d9.jpg.html)

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r684/BendyFlyer/tn_2014-12-11_11-4-24-845_zpsf0bb1729.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/BendyFlyer/media/tn_2014-12-11_11-4-24-845_zpsf0bb1729.jpg.html)

Sandringham:

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r684/BendyFlyer/tn_2014-11-18_10-26-32-442_zps64e58ad6.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/BendyFlyer/media/tn_2014-11-18_10-26-32-442_zps64e58ad6.jpg.html)


FSX is a difficult medium to model seaplanes/flying boats (contact points water drag and speeds etc) and the Sunderland took a lot of research to get the aircraft data correct and hence the model to perform realistically in the sim, which it now does.

[Dumonceau]

What about the First Class Simulations Sunderland?


Cees

Cees, are you 100% sure that the FCS Sunderland is FSX native?

Cheers,

Johan

[Portia911]

The master craftsman of flying boats was Jens Kristensen who has covered just about everything in the transport field. A great collection of Shorts flying boats:

The Calcutta,
S5 Singapore,
S17 Kent
S23
S30
Shorts Solent
Shorts Hythe

I have also reworked the Shorts Solent and Shorts Sandringham VC's to more look like the real aircraft did.

This is the Solent

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r684/BendyFlyer/tn_2014-12-11_11-30-3-274_zps96c047d9.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/BendyFlyer/media/tn_2014-12-11_11-30-3-274_zps96c047d9.jpg.html)



Are your VC reworks available anywhere, Bendy?

[Cees Donker]

Cees, are you 100% sure that the FCS Sunderland is FSX native?

Cheers,

Johan

No. I'm not. It says for FS2004 or FSX.....Only one way to find out. But it gets terrible reviews!


Cees

[Willy]

I've been a fan of the Sikorsky S43 ever since I saw the first pre-release screenshot of the Bill Lyons one from Golden Hawaii. I bought it then and waited for Bill to finish it. That's good to know about the Diemer ones in FSX. I'll have to give some of his other Sikorsky's a shot as well (S39 & S42)

[YoYo]

I've been a fan of the Sikorsky S43 ever since I saw the first pre-release screenshot of the Bill Lyons one from Golden Hawaii. I bought it then and waited for Bill to finish it. That's good to know about the Diemer ones in FSX. I'll have to give some of his other Sikorsky's a shot as well (S39 & S42)

It was a time when I havent Credit Card. I send to him money in envelope. :biggrin-new: :biggrin-new: :biggrin-new:

[napamule]

I worked on the B-314, by Mike Stone, and made it turbo-prop, and worked well in FSX back in Jan 2014. I lost a lot on HDrive crash but have the cfg and air file from external backup. Give me a couple of days (it's 'payday' week) and will let you guys know how it went in FS9 and FSX Accel. Working on the cnt pts is 90% of the 'dynamics' and therfore, how well it 'works'. I'll Be Baaaack.
Chuck B
Napamule

[BendyFlyer]

Are your VC reworks available anywhere, Bendy?

Not yet but I will upload only to SOH when I have some stuff sorted. There are a number of third party gauges used in the panels and hence permission to use etc had to be obtained. I guess I also have tinkered with the making them better or more representative of the real thing. I think I have come as close as I can. There will be:

Solent
Sandringham
Sunderland

The Sunderland will also be a complete rework so the entire sim package for FSX and the Sunderland Mark V only.

When? Not sure at the moment due my need to do other life and work stuff which is agriculturally and horticultural and as where I am is stuck in drought and reduced water, life has other challenges to deal with. Hopefully no later than September.

[Portia911]

No pressure, just interested in seeing the results.
Hope things go well - on and off the land. :wavey:

[Ian Warren]

No. I'm not. It says for FS2004 or FSX.....Only one way to find out. But it gets terrible reviews!


Cee's , I never never ever knocked peoples work , but this is exactly what I did , I wall mounted the package just to warn me not to go there again! , the package was friggen Horrible , the packaging was doctored to make it look pretty .. this was a real rip off ! :violent-smiley-031:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/WallMountLarge.jpg

[Cees Donker]

Cee's , I never never ever knocked peoples work , but this is exactly what I did , I wall mounted the package just to warn me not to go there again! , the package was friggen Horrible , the packaging was doctored to make it look pretty .. this was a real rip off ! :violent-smiley-031:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m31/Ian_Warren/2010%20Flightsim/WallMountLarge.jpg


I was aware of this already. But thanks for the warning!

:wavey:

Cees

[Peg o my heart]

LOL !!!!

Is it that bad?

[Cees Donker]

LOL !!!!

Is it that bad?

Obviously! A shame. I Always had a soft spot for the Short planes like the Stirling and Sunderland.

Bummer!

Cees

[JensOle]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/RNoAF/scrshot0562-1.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/RNoAF/Scrshot1342-1.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/RNoAF/Scrshot482.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/RNoAF/Scrshot459.jpg~original

[Ian Warren]

LOL !!!!

Is it that bad?
SERIOUSLY THAT BAD , had it been freeware you still would have complained ... but to get charge $50 plus... boy , It was a real shocker .. everyone jokes about why it sits above my PC ... Its just there to warn me ... don't go there again ! ........ They have the packaging done , they have the VC coding done ... would it not be brilliant to bring Jens Kristensen in on the project , a few dollars for him and get a few real Mc'coy Sunderland peoples out there to really switch it on! maybe a Kermit Weeks !

[Cees Donker]

SERIOUSLY THAT BAD , had it been freeware you still would have complained ... but to get charge $50 plus... boy , It was a real shocker .. everyone jokes about why it sits above my PC ... Its just there to warn me ... don't go there again ! ........ They have the packaging done , they have the VC coding done ... would it not be brilliant to bring Jens Kristensen in on the project , a few dollars for him and get a few real Mc'coy Sunderland peoples out there to really switch it on! maybe a Kermit Weeks !

Then the model must have countless flaws. It's not just the textures?


Cees

[Ian Warren]

It's not just the textures?

Its one were I can say, were do I start, so I'm not going to ... , Like yourself need a Brilliant Sunderland :encouragement:, the much well known Jens Kristensen Love to see him on the boat project , man with a name to fame regard to these whooping great flying boats, ... as for the Short Stiling , that would another superb subject , It amazing looking at the engineering station from Pilot and engineer's note ... go to the that area the engineers station and you would think your on the 'TITANIC' or maybe the lessor a large Choo Choo , these large wheeled handles .. taps almost.

[Ian Warren]

I have in collaboration with NZ simmer Adrian Brausch (AB) reworked the JBK into a Sunderland of sorts. AB did the paints and turret textures and I have done the cfg and VC rework.

FSX is a difficult medium to model seaplanes/flying boats (contact points water drag and speeds etc) and the Sunderland took a lot of research to get the aircraft data correct and hence the model to perform realistically in the sim, which it now does.

Hey ya Bendy , I Know Adrian very well , regular chats on TS and phone .. bloody great guy , we had a bit off a history dates maybe almost twenty years .. If ever a project gets up off the bench or kitchen table I'm sure I would be flying up to Auckland and we would hit MOTAT with a vengeance .. current work getting done on real McCoy , the Sunderland , I'll have to dig up the link but also the Solent is in its full glory.

[BendyFlyer]

Well its the MOTAT Sunderland which we have used. Here is the original cockpit:

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r684/BendyFlyer/SunderlandCockpit_zps47c668be.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/BendyFlyer/media/SunderlandCockpit_zps47c668be.jpg.html)

and this is the reworked FSX cockpit:


http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r684/BendyFlyer/tn_2013-7-22_15-6-35-641_zps5fb43f81.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/BendyFlyer/media/tn_2013-7-22_15-6-35-641_zps5fb43f81.jpg.html)

The original model was a JBK Hythe reworked backwards to the Sunderland MK V RNZAF. I don't know why but I have done a number of subpanel as pop ups so the Radio Operator and Navigator are nearly done but finding stuff like the original mil spec equipment used in the 40's and 50's is near impossible. Anway nearly done.

The key thing I guess is that there a lots of flying boats if you like that sort of thing. I have spent about three weeks recently doing the S23 or Imperial Airways routes from England to Australia day by day and near the schedule times as I could with Rex Real Weather, a real challenge actually. Combine that with some internet digging in the area and one can have great fun.

[edakridge]

I have received permission from George Diemer to update his Sikorsky S-42 to FSX. He sent me the FSDS source and things are progressing nicely!

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23763&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23764&stc=1

[Roger]

I have received permission from George Diemer to update his Sikorsky S-42 to FSX. He sent me the FSDS source and things are progressing nicely!



That's great news!

[llanning08]

My Favorite Flying Boat was the Pilot's Gmbh B314 Clipper. I miss it in my Win 7 FSX (ports poorly) but Mike Stone's B314 is okay.

I think that a Kawanishi H8K2 Emily would be a nice addition to FSX. It was a large and effective Japanese flying boat of WWII. One was made for FS2000 by Aidan R. McCaffrey, but it ported poorly to FS2004 (wouldn't float).

There are also many classic flying boat waterports not yet modeled for FSX. Navigating these low and slow flying boats over the oceans between distant ports is quite challenging (with dead reckoning, sextant and ADF/HF radio)!

I also would encourage a nice Loening S-1 Flying Yacht or Amphibian.

[Bill Kestell]

I'll "Second" Keystone-Loenings, but I'd push for the C2H and (if possible) the later C4C/K-85. The C2H was very popular with everyone who owned and flew one. It was also extremely valuable for CNAC operations in Pre-War China. CNAC even had at least one example of the C4C/K-85 as seen in a couple pictures in "AMPHIBIAN, The Story of the Loening Biplane".

I apologize for my constantly badgering folks about this/these old beauties ... but I sure would love to see them.:pop4:

[thunder100]

My Favorite Flying Boat was the Pilot's Gmbh B314 Clipper. I miss it in my Win 7 FSX (ports poorly) but Mike Stone's B314 is okay..

I got it now going quite OK( with different panel : - ( )

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?94351-Port-over-Questions-314-Treasure-Island

Roland

[edakridge]

I have uploaded George Diemer's Sikorsky S-42 after doing some modifications. http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?catid=34&linkid=19754 It is a ton of FUN to fly!
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23934&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23935&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23936&stc=1

[txnetcop]

Very nice!!! Great to have the old lady back in my hanger!:applause::applause::applause: Thank you
Ted

[BendyFlyer]

Are your VC reworks available anywhere, Bendy?

Hi yes they will be released for the Solent and Sandringham in mid to late June 2016. I also intend to release the Sunderland as a package here at SOH then as well.

[lazarus]

But for a Sunderland...I don't know what FCS was thinking...and the price demanded!
Alphas Mariners are in FSX native format, now- simviation, FSX vintage, and 2 different iterations of the Currituck, though the one I did is native.. The H8k is in the library's, and a native version of Akemi's Jake and a Rex, plus tenders.
Be-200 is in the qeue for glass and materials. So. There's a few more boats abound in native. Just e-mailed Jens about doing sone of his boats- and the C-123.:running:

[DaveB]

But for a Sunderland...I don't know what FCS was thinking...and the price demanded!

Couldn't agree more. Having said that.. every time I see it in a sale, even vastly reduced.. I look at it and can't bring myself to part with money. It falls well below the 'required standard' which says something for me.. I'll by anything:biggrin-new:
ATB
DaveB:)