JF F27 released! (29th April)

[ColoKent]

Anyone have any updates on the possible release date of the JF F27? Seems like while we are being bombarded hourly with "JF Tornado porno", comm on the progress of the F27 has gone somewhat silent...

I did see a neat YouTube posted by one of the Beta Testers on 9 Feb-- but nothing since then. Any news?

Kent

[Peg o my heart]

Grapevine said the Fokker would come first (?)

[Martyn]

The Fokker is scheduled for a February release. This is the latest info from our newsletter:


We're currently putting the finishing touches to our new Fokker F27 Friendship 100/200/300 collection for FSX and P3D, which is scheduled for a February release. We'll be posting full details soon, but in the meantime we've added a new selection of screenshots so you can see how it's progressing.


The Tornado is still in-development and therefore has plenty of progress to show off. The Fokker is finished from a visual point-of-view and its just going through final testing, so there isn't much to be shown at this stage.

[ColoKent]

Whatever...

K

[Bjoern]

This is getting mildly annoying.

[DaveSHQ]

...and this ladies and gentlemen is why Devs don't give out release dates because impatient people can't control themselves.

[ColoKent]

In most lines of business, enthusiasm for upcoming products would be welcomed-- but I keep forgetting...for a couple of the major developers, their view of the world is well..."different". Swap out "Southwest", and this commercial pretty much captures the attitude I'm referring to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEMl06leKY

As for the double snipes above from the sidelines: Thanks, guys...Feel better??? Hope so.

'Nuff said.

K

[DaveSHQ]

Just sayin :a1310:

[Bjoern]

As for the double snipes above from the sidelines: Thanks, guys...Feel better??? Hope so.


Hanging on a thread here. Don't make it snap.

[Motormouse]

The Fokker is finished from a visual point-of-view and its just going through final testing, so there isn't much to be shown at this stage.

Just wondering if the vagaries of the pneumatic system have been taken into account (for those that don't know F.27 used compressed air
instead of hydraulics! Nosewheel steering was a self contained hydraulic system, powered by compressed air too)... the agb mounted compressors wouldn't chime in until @ 11,600 prop rpm... then there's the fun of having prop hang up on one of pitch stops while taxiing and egt's going through the roof.. happy days...

this is one of 3 the company I worked for back then had ----> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fokker_F-27_(PH-FFF),_Dublin,_February_1993_(01).jpg#file... ex Icelandic with full power Dart 7, (mk532-7) 2,030 shp, flown on it loads of times as crew chief, picture taken in Dublin, when we had a Dublin-Cork-Shannon and return freight contract... company went bust in March 1993.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19619&stc=1

ttfn

Pete

[Bjoern]

(for those that don't know F.27 used compressed air
instead of hydraulics! Nosewheel steering was a self contained hydraulic system, powered by compressed air too).

AFAIK one subtle difference between the Fokker and Fairchild builds is that the latter used a hydraulic system for gear operation.

[RAS_JF]

YouTuber Flightsim481 has done an in-depth preview of the F-27 on his YT channel, for those of you wanting a good look around before release.


http://youtu.be/ne7k-ip2gv0

[ColoKent]

Yep....Saw this-- it is what prompted this thread...and gave the impression it was near release.

K

[monk1]

Yep....Saw this-- it is what prompted this thread...and gave the impression it was near release.

K

Might want to take another look. Flightsim481 says it's an updated video with a publish date of Feb 16.

Nice video!

[ColoKent]

Might want to take another look. Flightsim481 says it's an updated video with a publish date of Feb 16.

Nice video!

So it is an update! Really nice...obviously looking forward to this release...

Thanks for the heads up, monk1!

Kent

[monk1]

So it is an update! Really nice...obviously looking forward to this release...

Thanks for the heads up, monk1!

Kent

No problem Kent, I'm looking forward to this one also. I hope some of the talented painters out there can do some more US liveries, Allegheny, Piedmont, Mohawk, etc. Or I'll have at it with my limited painting skills. Just personal livery preferences of course.


-Bob

[ColoKent]

No problem Kent, I'm looking forward to this one also. I hope some of the talented painters out there can do some more US liveries, Allegheny, Piedmont, Mohawk, etc. Or I'll have at it with my limited painting skills. Just personal livery preferences of course.


-Bob

...And let's not forget Bonanza, Air West and Hughes Airwest (though all were actually Fairchild F-27As...).

Kent

[StormILM]

Looking at that video, I am impressed by the systems depth and overall detail. They got the RR Dart sounds done pretty well. I've been around a few of them up close during post-maintenance engine run-ups and once in the cockpit during a run-up and from my recollection, it sounds right. Looks like it's going to be a lot of fun!

[Anneke]

Has the F27 vanished? I thought it was almost done? Matter of some week?

[StormILM]

Has the F27 vanished? I thought it was almost done? Matter of some week?

I wondered the same thing but knowing all too well how things go in Beta, chances are they are making adjustments/adding things they feel they need to do to make the end product better for release. Having seen a couple of the early Beta videos, I saw a number of things I hope they would iron out and upgrade. We'll be enjoying it soon enough I suppose.

[Martyn]

Has the F27 vanished? I thought it was almost done? Matter of some week?

It's certainly not vanished. As StormILM suggests the product is still undergoing testing. We are aiming to release it within the next few weeks barring any unforeseen circumstances :encouragement:

[Anneke]

Thanks Martyn for the update.

[Anneke]

Almost a month later so there must have been...


any unforeseen circumstances


Any news on this bird or did I miss the release :)

[ColoKent]

It's certainly not vanished. As StormILM suggests the product is still undergoing testing. We are aiming to release it within the next few weeks barring any unforeseen circumstances :encouragement:

You didn't miss the release....apparently were "Unforeseen circumstances..."

Clearly, JF is VERY excited about their upcoming Tornado however-- since there is pretty much endless info on their Facebook page about that project.

K

[Ferry_vO]

Clearly, JF is VERY excited about their upcoming Tornado however-- since there is pretty much endless info on their Facebook page about that project.



Although both are published by Just Flight, the Tornado is an in-house development while the F27 is made by Aeroplane Heaven. And the Tornado still has a long way to go before release I imagine.

[ColoKent]

Although both are published by Just Flight, the Tornado is an in-house development while the F27 is made by Aeroplane Heaven.

Several of us have suspected that might a factor...

I'm hoping that when/if the F27 is released it will be easier on the frame rates/graphics than the DC-8 has been (for my system at least).

K

[AussieMan]

As a member of the Beta team I can assure that it has not been forgotten and that release is getting closer.

FPS wise it is good on my mid range computer. I am also testing an airport YSDU (Dubbo) and I have my FPS locked at 30 and I am getting a fairly constant 30 with the occasional drop to 28.

[ColoKent]

Thanks AussieMan for the update.

And FWIW, I don't think most us ever believed the issue with the F27 is/was that it had been forgotten.

K

[RAS_JF]

The delay with the F-27 was due to substantial parts of the aircraft getting a re-write so that they were more sophisticated. That's now done and BETA testing is going at full steam.
Regarding the disparity between the amount of Tornado/F-27 material going up on Facebook - the biggest reason is that Martyn and I are Facebook users whereas the F-27 guys aren't so much.

[Portia911]

don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory! :very_drunk:

[henrystreet]

don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory! :very_drunk:


:biggrin-new: (spews coffee laughing so hard)

[ColoKent]

The delay with the F-27 was due to substantial parts of the aircraft getting a re-write so that they were more sophisticated.

Good news, RAS. That communicated directly to the customer base answers the question. So now we know-- thanks for clarifying.

And AussieMan - nice to hear about the seeming easiness on frame rates.

Kent

[bazzar]

More sophisticated... bah... in my day we had rubber bands. You wound them up, you let them go...:engel016:

[Ian Warren]

More sophisticated... bah... in my day we had rubber bands. You wound them up, you let them go...:engel016:
The ole rubber band power egg aye .... were would ya be with out wubber :pop4: bugger .... now we's me bag of wubber bands :mixed-smiley-010:

[RAS_JF]

Stand by gentlemen... I hear that the release is happening today!

[DaveB]

Someone send Kent an email QUICK!!!:biggrin-new:

Tks for the HU;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[RAS_JF]

It's actually on sale now!

Special introductory price until 9am (UK time) Wedneday 6th May 2015 athttp://www.justflight.com/product/fokker-f27-100-200-300

[peterwatkins2]

Downloaded! It might be me but I cannot find a link to the stated paintkit though - or is it a bit too soon?

:ernaehrung004:

[RAS_JF]

The paint kit will follow shortly as a separate download from the support page. Mostly likely tomorrow.

[ColoKent]

Someone send Kent an email QUICK!!!

Ah well...too late...I've since **completely** lost interest in the F27...

NOT ON YOUR LIFE! Downloading as I type this!!!!

(Later Edit) To be honest, I have never particularly been a fan of JF products (I've had framerate problems, texture issues, cartoonish look IMHO, etc.)-- but this one is COMPLETELY changing my mind. The FDE is superb-- solid as a rock, with that "heavy" feel...the textures are well done...and so far-- the frame rates are like a knife through butter. My **only** complaint is the treatment of the beacons-- the steady red glow on the sides of fuselage is annoying....get rid of that, and the beacons would be okay-- but overall it's a minor nit.

Well done so far!!!!

Kent

[papab]

Downloading now!
Rick

[ColoKent]

Real simple...the more I fly it, the MORE I like it!

Kent

[manfredc3]

just purchased it. Can not wait to take it to the sky.

[JimmyRFR]

Looks good; I'll be picking this one up I think!

[jetstreamsky]

Bought it, can't activate it. Emailed JF, but now waiting for the support guys to wake up now its midnight in the UK.

[Peg o my heart]

Sweet! And one thing I like about 'released' thread is the sheer number of screenshots. :D

[Timmy74]

Is it my install or the interior/cockpit lights do sweet FA?? The over head panel is really dark and I flick the two "panel light" switches -above the pilots head- but NOTHING!?! Its really hard to read the the COMM/VHF and ADF radio area and you have to switch views to change the "stand by" VHF frequency. Its easy to switch from "stand by" to "active" but to actually change and read the "stand by" frequency.....due to two switches being in the way!?:banghead:.

[bazzar]

The electrical systems have been modeled to follow correct procedures. It is all in the manual. If you do not switch the batteries on or select and use the GPU, there is no power in the aircraft.

Correct procedure is select Ext. Pwr on the master battery switch, switch up the External Power switch next to it and then you have power. Turn on the panel lights and off you go.:engel016:

[Timmy74]

The electrical systems have been modeled to follow correct procedures. It is all in the manual. If you do not switch the batteries on or select and use the GPU, there is no power in the aircraft.

Correct procedure is select Ext. Pwr on the master battery switch, switch up the External Power switch next to it and then you have power. Turn on the panel lights and off you go.:engel016:

Thanks mate I had done all of that, as per manual! Still no internal lights!?!?

[ColoKent]

Any word on the paint kit? This baby is just dying to be repainted! I flew this airplane for most of the day yesterday, and I am in love. Great job.

When/if you do a service pack, please add an .MDL for a -200 with external tanks (to include tweaked FDE [more fuel], and tank textures)...then, in addition to a ton of airline/cargo schemes, we can also do a ton of military repaints (the very sharp looking New Zealand AF and Icelandic Coast Guard versions immediately come to mind).

Again....just OUTSTANDING!

Kent

P.S. On the paint kit, can you please include the textures for the start cart, baggage trolley and steps so that we can match those items with the repaint?

[bazzar]

Thanks mate I had done all of that, as per manual! Still no internal lights!?!?

Interesting. Tried the central rotary switch on the lighting switch panel above the windscreen?:engel016:

[RAS_JF]

Any word on the paint kit?

I believe it is being checked over by our painter tonight. Fingers crossed it should be released tomorrow.

[ColoKent]

I believe it is being checked over by our painter tonight. Fingers crossed it should be released tomorrow.

Excellent....Sorry to keep raving, but IMHO, you guys SMACKED this one out of the park...Absolutely wonderful.

Kent

[doublecool]

She looks to be a beauti :applause:
Was reading up on the F27 and had a question that I could not find answer too... does the F27 turbo prop have reverse thrust?

[bazzar]

Not on these versions. :engel016:

[ColoKent]

... does the F27 turbo prop have reverse thrust?

Bazzar, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that if the HPC lever is in the standard LOCK OUT position on landing (which is where it should be if both engines are operating), then at touchdown, with the aircraft weight on the wheels, the "Prop Below Lock" lights illuminate as the props automatically go into "Ground Fine" (prop blades go flat or nearly flat), which increases drag and helps shorten the roll out.

Kent

[bazzar]

Hi Kent, you are not wrong but that feature is not included. It was the Devil's work just to get the prop lock/HPCs to function at all in FSX!:engel016:

[ColoKent]

Hi Kent, you are not wrong but that feature is not included. It was the Devil's work just to get the prop lock/HPCs to function at all in FSX!:engel016:

Damn! Why did you tell me that??? It SEEMED like it was slowing down quicker on rollout....:wavey:

Kent

[SeanTK]

Looking forward to the paintkit (and hopefully it's not too difficult to use). An Icelandic Coast Guard and/or Norwegian Air Shuttle livery would look great!

[bazzar]

Damn! Why did you tell me that??? It SEEMED like it was slowing down quicker on rollout....:wavey:

Kent

Well maybe my coder is better than I thought...( sound of spluttering in beer mug behind)

[ejoiner]

So I bought the F27 today and she is a beauty. I have the following comments based on **** and the tutorial mission.

1. Using selection of the F27 tutorial for the FTX/Orbx England scenery will cause a wing clip into a hangar and instant crash. I wound up using the set up for default scenery then slewing to a parking spot for the FTX England scenery I have.

2. Followed the start up procedures in the manual. All seemed to work ok except...
A. Opening the doors using the Shift + E2/3 etc causes the doors to open then instantly shut.
B. Using the crew call does call up the baggage equip, generator APU and air stairs etc. However, I cant get the generator to go away. Ever. Even after start up etc.
C. The Fuel datum computer doesnt move. I tried everything and it shows a mouse over like it will be selectable and moveable, but nothing happens.

3. I'd really really like to be able to get into this bird already started. Hoping its not cold and dead every time. I frankly dont want to do a full start up every time. Is this possible?


Otherwise boys, she is beautiful and I hope to be able to enjoy this bird for awhile.

Eric

[bazzar]

1. Models are always/usually developed for standard FS setup.
2. a. Don't know, doors all work fine.
b. Crew call button brins up stairs and luggage vehicles. NOT the GPU. The GPU is brought up by switching the master battery switch to EXT.PWR. The generator GPU will disappear when this switch is switched to battery.

c. The fuel datum computer is operated by click and drag.

3. Cntrl/E starts are always possible but some "real" functions will be disabled. The model has been designed for flying by-the-book.

Hope you get to know her, she's a fun lady to fly.:engel016:

[Spikehughes]

A. Opening the doors using the Shift + E2/3 etc causes the doors to open then instantly shut.




Are you near a fuel pump perhaps ? - Known fault with MS FSX that the doors will always shut when using the Open door command if you are near a fuel station

[ejoiner]

1. Models are always/usually developed for standard FS setup.
2. a. Don't know, doors all work fine.
b. Crew call button brins up stairs and luggage vehicles. NOT the GPU. The GPU is brought up by switching the master battery switch to EXT.PWR. The generator GPU will disappear when this switch is switched to battery.

c. The fuel datum computer is operated by click and drag.

3. Cntrl/E starts are always possible but some "real" functions will be disabled. The model has been designed for flying by-the-book.

Hope you get to know her, she's a fun lady to fly.:engel016:

The aircraft comes with 3 versions of the tutorial. One specifically for the FTX/Orbx England scenery. When selecting that one (since thats the scenery I have), it crashes into a hangar.

Thanks for the info on the ext power will switch that to Battery next time!

Still cant get the fuel datum computer to work by click and drag or any other method.

I appreciate flying by the book, but as this is a simulation, would be nice to have some of the book already completed and be able to get into a previously started aircraft as an option.

[JimmyRFR]

I appreciate flying by the book, but as this is a simulation, would be nice to have some of the book already completed and be able to get into a previously started aircraft as an option.

That's one of the best ways I've ever heard that statement made. :)

In my opinion, developers should take that into serious regard. There are plenty of very successful addons which require flying and/or by the book, but have a 'ready to fly' button on a 2D panel for those times when you want/need to skip ahead a few chapters.

[bazzar]

Well I guess if you are doing the tutorial or any flight in fact, you can always get her started and resave the flight. Then when you reload the flight she'll be running.:engel016:

[AussieMan]

Bazz, I am having a quiet chuckle about the comments about having to start this great lady by the manual. Maybe they should be asked to beta test one of your aircraft. Drop it on them with no paperwork whatsoever. Let them poke around the cockpit flicking switches here and pushing buttons there and see what happens if I push this button or that button :pop4: :dizzy:. "Oops didn't know that button did that :)".

Also the door thing is an FS thing. you can park at a fuel bowser and nothing will happen. The main reason the doors open and then slam shut near a fuel bowser is that fuel point is set as a fuel trigger. That means if you roll over it with say 20% fuel in your tanks when you roll over it you will finish with 100% fuel in your tanks.

[JimmyRFR]

Well I guess if you are doing the tutorial or any flight in fact, you can always get her started and resave the flight. Then when you reload the flight she'll be running.:engel016:

Very true. I've used that strategy occasionally.

However (and this really only applies to me personally so may hold little weight or meaning with others), when I typically fly an aircraft, I make it my sole aircraft for however long, right down to the livery. I start it up, fly it to wherever I'm going, shut it down, save the flight. The next time I fly that aircraft, I load up that exact saved flight, do my walkaround, checklists, whatever, start it up and fly to my next destination. And repeat. Often I'll take a single aircraft on quite a long distance journey, one leg at a time, over the course of a few weeks (or months if I get sidetracked by other aircraft). I get a great deal of enjoyment from that.

When that aircraft has a lengthy start-up routine, it limits it's use to nights where I have a larger block of time, unless it has a 'ready to fly' button. When it has a feature like that, then I can choose to go through everything when I have time, or jump in and fly when I don't. A pre-saved flight with the engines running doesn't cut it when flying the same aircraft from one leg to the next.

Again, however, that's just me. We all use our sims differently! And luckily, aircraft that take a long time to start up and configure for flight generally aren't the ones you take on a many-leg, cross country tour. :) I just wanted to explain myself; I think developers sometimes don't understand why we might value a certain feature, simply because no-one takes the time to do so.

And enough with that; regardless of how long it takes to start the F27, it looks like a fine job!

[musterpilot]

Just downloaded this little beauty
What a great aircraft to fly
Now all I need is someone to make a repaint for me Please
Here is the a/c








ps would like the MMA one

[Timmy74]

Interesting. Tried the central rotary switch on the lighting switch panel above the windscreen?:engel016:

Yep! I had exhausted all avenues before I posted my plight.:dizzy:

[AussieMan]

Just downloaded this little beauty
What a great aircraft to fly
Now all I need is someone to make a repaint for me Please
Here is the a/c








ps would like the MMA one

Will see what I can do for you. No promises as there is no paint kit yet. Also do you have any photos of the Sky West Fokkers?

[musterpilot]

Will see what I can do for you. No promises as there is no paint kit yet. Also do you have any photos of the Sky West Fokkers?

I will have a look give me about 1/2 hour
How about these

[AussieMan]

No good. They look like F-50s.

[RAS_JF]

The paintkit is now available: http://www.justflight.com/support/fokker-f27-friendship/fd13410

[ColoKent]

Downloading...thanks, RAS!

[musterpilot]

No good. They look like F-50s.

Sorry mate got a bit carried away there a bit
Skywest was a bit young to have f-27
they had the f-27-050 more or less the f-50

[gman5250]

The price was right with the introductory offer...so, I picked it up.

Pros:

I'm in agreement that, overall, this is a good solid offering.
Flight model
Modeling
Dynamics
Systems
Paint Kit (thank you).

Cons:
Not really a con, but to remain contemporary with other models in the same price bracket, textures need more attention to adding realistic details and interactivity with state-of-the-art DX11 light dynamics. This model, like others, is one that I would immediately take to the paint shop to bring it up to a really fantastic representation of the real thing. Both cockpit and external.

[Cirrus N210MS]

i just order it aswell looks great

[StormILM]

Is anyone else having an issue with the right engine running away on start? Left engine starts fine but no matter what, the right always starts and runs away. I am using an X55 HOTAS system and both throttles move independently but this is odd.

[jymp]

Hi Storm, my engines start and run fine with the Logitec 3d Pro I use, I had the X-55 for a bit, returned it to Amazon, couldn't get it calibrated no matter what I tried.

[StormILM]

Never mind, operator error, (RED FACE). Just need to be patient with the little quirks of such systems & programming(real aircraft can throw curve balls). Now time to give it a shakedown.

[StormILM]

Very impressive! I have to say, the best JF model I have bought/used to date. As for the pros and cons, I agree with ********, the only criticism (constructively said) is that a model this nice could use some texture improvement(the current textures are far from horrible by any measure) and also capitalizing on DX11 lighting. Otherwise, for me, I have long passed the point in which I have become very picky about what I spend money on nowadays(especially with Flight Sim addons and hardware). Average or great looking models with average/below average systems modeling & flight dynamics, etc are things I won't even look at to buy anymore unless is passes my standard of what I know I will enjoy and go back to repeatedly to ejnoy. That being said, this model was a very pleasant surprise and a good balance of overall value for the price and it's obvious you guys really raised the bar on your quality with the F27 and it beat out a couple of other models I had my eye on recently. BTW, the engine out handling & performance is darn nice. In these screens, I did a v1 cut and got her cleaned up and trimmed post liftoff for a single engine emergency approach and landing. The ground handling on a single engine was better than most turboprop/piston prop models I have flown in FSX to date. PS, a Piedmont and Golden Knights repaint are dearly hoped for!!!
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22480&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22481&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22482&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22483&stc=1

[ejoiner]

Is anyone else having an issue with the right engine running away on start? Left engine starts fine but no matter what, the right always starts and runs away. I am using an X55 HOTAS system and both throttles move independently but this is odd.

I have the X55 HOTAS set up too. Just make sure you have your brakes set. Turbo props can get ahead of you. Also, these dont react instantaneously to additional thrust applied. Jets take time to build up to it.

[StormILM]

I have the X55 HOTAS set up too. Just make sure you have your brakes set. Turbo props can get ahead of you. Also, these dont react instantaneously to additional thrust applied. Jets take time to build up to it.

Very true! I did follow the checklist and made sure the brakes where set, I just goofed up and somehow caused the right engine to "act" as if it was a runaway(not sure if that was intentionally coded in or not). Boy, there sure is a lot of nice nuances in the model and systems. The soundset sure is nice as well and very calibrated to what the F27 sound like versus other RR Dart powered ships.

[monk1]

Bought it. Love it.

[ColoKent]

Storm, I totally echo your observations--particularly about this being the best JF model I've also bought to date.

What I think is cool is flying with this thing like small US carriers did in the 60's and early 70's:

- Lots of short legs
- The chance to do "quick turn station stops" like I remember seeing Bonanza and Air West do on the west coast (land, taxi in, chop the left engine-- but keep the right one running, pop the front cargo door open for cargo and bags, back boarding door is open, a few pax are exchanged, the doors are closed, left engine is fired back up, and off you go....about a 15 minute turn)

Overall, I'm happy with it-- except wish we had the Fairchild variants w/airstair....but what the heck, what we have now is filling a big hole in FS.

Kent

[StormILM]

For those who may(or may not) have issues with using VOR navigation with this model, if you want a "GPS cheat" with the GPS/NAV switch capability, here's how to get it to work by modifying the panel configs in both models:
[Window Titles]
Window00=Eyepoint tool
Window01=GPS //<-----add this line

[Window01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=456,378
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=8
visible=0
ident=GPS_PANEL
window_size= 0.500, 0.560
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000

gauge00=fs9gps!gps_500, 0,0,456,378
gauge01=..\..\Maule_M7_260C\panel\Maule_M7_260C!sw itch_nav_gps, 0,200,15,25

From my testing, this mod works perfectly and does not interfere with the Autopilot functions. It may not be realistic to the vintage feel of the model but it's an option. Bear in mind there will be no visible GPS/NAV switch in the VC or 2D popup, you'll need to assign the function to your stick/throttle or keyboard.

[Timmy74]

The price was right with the introductory offer...so, I picked it up.

Pros:

I'm in agreement that, overall, this is a good solid offering.
Flight model
Modeling
Dynamics
Systems
Paint Kit (thank you).

Cons:
Not really a con, but to remain contemporary with other models in the same price bracket, textures need more attention to adding realistic details and interactivity with state-of-the-art DX11 light dynamics. This model, like others, is one that I would immediately take to the paint shop to bring it up to a really fantastic representation of the real thing. Both cockpit and external.


If you do that GMAN "I would immediately take to the paint shop to bring it up to a really fantastic representation of the real thing. Both cockpit and external" I will be all over it like a fat kid on cake!!! Your work on the DH114 is just amazing!!

Cheers,
Tim...

[Timmy74]

Interesting. Tried the central rotary switch on the lighting switch panel above the windscreen?:engel016:

Hello bazzar. Here are some screen shots of my cockpit with all lights turned on but it seems very dark to me.... Maybe this is what it is suppose to look like?? Yes? I do get a quick "flash" when I flick the two panel light switches but it then goes dark again?:topsy_turvy:

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/05/04/F-271.jpg

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/05/04/F-272.jpg

Cheers,
Tim...

[mjrhealth]

Hello bazzar. Here are some screen shots of my cockpit with all lights turned on but it seems very dark to me.... Maybe this is what it is suppose to look like?? Yes? I do get a quick "flash" when I flick the two panel light switches but it then goes dark again?:topsy_turvy:

Cheers,
Tim...

If lighting is tied to FSX lighting it may not show untill a certain time try night time not evening.

[bazzar]

Your lights are definitely not showing in your shots. There is surface lighting as well as back lighting in the gauges. I can see you don't have essential services switches on but try them later in the day and night. They will not show in daylight.:engel016:

[StormILM]

Posted this in another thread but here to for reference purposes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N14wlCiGrVU

[Timmy74]

Your lights are definitely not showing in your shots. There is surface lighting as well as back lighting in the gauges. I can see you don't have essential services switches on but try them later in the day and night. They will not show in daylight.:engel016:

The instrument lights work fine at night....but why do they not work during the day? For this exact scenario it makes the instruments hard to read!?! Can this be fixed in a patch some time maybe?

P.S. I must have the short version of the manual because there is no mention of switching the "essential services switches" -where ever they are- to on?

Here is another shot of my cockpit with the lights on. Do you agree it looks quite dark?

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/05/05/F-27x3.jpg

Cheers,

Tim...

[bazzar]

Your lights are not on Tim. You should see green backlit text on the panels an surface lighting too.:engel016:

[Timmy74]

Your lights are not on Tim. You should see green backlit text on the panels an surface lighting too.:engel016:

How do I turn them on then....!?!:banghead:

[bazzar]

I don't know what you're doing wrong man. This is what you should be seeing.:engel016:

[Timmy74]

I don't know what you're doing wrong man. This is what you should be seeing.:engel016:

Like I said before in my post...I can get the panel lights to work at night. They just do not seem to show during the day!?! I will post some "day/night" shots for you to compare.

My night shots look the same as your picture. Maybe if you could post a shot of your panel lighting during the day..?

[bazzar]

Tim I think it time you contacted JF. This is not a support forum and although we built the models this is a Just Flight production and all reports need to go through them. I'm sorry but I can't help at this range. I am not sure I have any aircraft whose lights light up during daylight hours.:engel016:

[bazzar]

Tim, I have one more suggestion. Go into the Aircraft CFG and remove the two lines in front of the VC light entry. The option of disabling the VC light was used because I think it unnatural. However, it MAY improve things for you.:engel016:

[Timmy74]

Tim, I have one more suggestion. Go into the Aircraft CFG and remove the two lines in front of the VC light entry. The option of disabling the VC light was used because I think it unnatural. However, it MAY improve things for you.:engel016:

You are right...I will contact JF. I guess I got carried away. Thanks for your input.:wavey:

[bazzar]

No worries mate, try the suggestion though please.:engel016:

[StormILM]

Bazzar, I hate to post this bug report here(yes, I filed a support ticket with you guys but with no way to show the screens of the issue). The issue is that there is a minor bug with the prop blur animation graphics when the prop disc is viewed at quartering angles looking towards the fuselage. To be honest, with the exceptionally thin/light appearance of the prop disc blur, I had not noticed this issue up to now. Last night after I added Matt Wynn's nice new fictional KLM repaint(which he included darker prop disc textures), the issue was very visible with that texture and after checking the stock model prop blur, sure enough, I saw the same issue. I also found screenshots around the net of the model where the issue appeared as well. Anyhow, just for reference, here are the screens highlighting the issue so you guys can check into it & see if anyone else is having the same problem:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22596&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22597&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22598&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22599&stc=1

[bazzar]

I am afraid there is little we can do there. The props rely on transparency alphas which clash with the alphas on the fuselage because the materials there are specially set up to cut the windows nice and cleanly. It was a choice between creating geometry cut windows which would always distort and alpha cuts which don't, given that the prop blurs would indeed "disappear" over the fuse. The alpha cuts won.:engel016:

[ZsoltB]

http://www.ojpictures.de/ehlw001faf27.jpg

[npk3]

http://www.ojpictures.de/ehlw001faf27.jpg

In fact, I bought this in the Just Flight Fokker and the Finnish Air Force's painting is welcome :encouragement:

[StormILM]

I am afraid there is little we can do there. The props rely on transparency alphas which clash with the alphas on the fuselage because the materials there are specially set up to cut the windows nice and cleanly. It was a choice between creating geometry cut windows which would always distort and alpha cuts which don't, given that the prop blurs would indeed "disappear" over the fuse. The alpha cuts won.:engel016:

Understood. It's not really a big issue with the standard prop disk textures as they are colored lightly, only with the darker version. Hopefully at some point a work around can be found(so the darker prop disc textures can be used) but till then, we're still good to go.

[Matt Wynn]

whoops! looks like i uploaded my WIP folder for those textures rather than the actual.... better send avsim the fix! *banging head on desk*

[dvj]

Anyone know if JF plans to offer a free demo version like they have for other models?

d

[Alex_Ford]

Hello Everybody. My name is Alex Ford. I’m the Publishing Director at just Flight. I just wanted to post an initial message firstly saying thank you very much for purchasing our new F27 Friendship, secondly its very nice to see that so many of you are enjoying it and thirdly thank you all for your feedback both good and these reporting issues or clarification. We are reading everybody’s comments as far as is humanly possible and we are feeding back any issues so that they can be investigated and if valid addressed. There will be a software update issued for the F27 as soon as its ready, but currently we have no release date for it, however needless to say that its being worked on now with all due attention. I will post here again as things progress.

[StormILM]

Alex, thanks for your response. The model is very nice despite a couple of minor issues and a total joy to fly. I am confident you guys will sort out the issues as best as possible in due time.

[Dumonceau]

I was hoping that our Dutch friends over here would do a nice KLU repaint for this magnificent model!

Or something low viz? I mainly fly military birds, so military/low viz would be highly appreciated!

Johan

[mgr]

Hiya,


I was hoping that our Dutch friends over here would do a nice KLU repaint for this magnificent model!

Or something low viz? I mainly fly military birds, so military/low viz would be highly appreciated!

Johan

Working on the C-5 in grey cammo, only one painted in this scheme.

Could take some time though.

Marcel

[Dumonceau]

Now that would be lovely! Thanks in advance!!!

[flaviossa]

Just uploaded here at SOH (Exclusively) this F27 livery: BR Central PT-LDT
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/05/10/F27_3.jpg

Just wait the paint appears in the library. :encouragement:

-- By mistake i put in the title that the plane has registration PT-LCG, the correct is PT-LDT. If some library staff see this, please correct the text in the library as i can´t do this by myself. --

[Ian Warren]

Looks Great Flaviossa :encouragement:

[manfredc3]

I am lovin' this bird, and am happy to see different liveries being uploaded.

Also, I am glad to see that JustFlight is keeping an eye on this thread. That means they are looking at improvements on an already great product.
I would place this F27 right up there withtheir L-1011, and the Connie.

Great job JustFlight, and keep up the good work.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

It was a choice between creating geometry cut windows which would always distort and alpha cuts which don't, given that the prop blurs would indeed "disappear" over the fuse. The alpha cuts won.

Thank you for choosing this method!

Otherwise, my upcoming NAC variant with the foremost passenger window covered by an ice shield panel won't be possible:

http://abload.de/img/2015-5-10_16-55-39-30bnjnd.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2015-5-10_16-55-39-30bnjnd.jpg)

(Note: early WIP shot with still some remains of the closed window in the bump map's alpha - meanwhile ironed out)



http://abload.de/img/f27_269utn.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=f27_269utn.jpg)


This little Fokker is just a dream to fly and it reminds me of many happy flying hours back in the old days of FS2000 with Espen Oijordbakkens outstanding F50. I still have its magnificient Flight Deck Manual in a neat folder on my shelf...

Talking about manuals:
On page 50 of the F27 manual, climb RPM settings are said to be about 16.000. This seems quite a lot to me and doesn't match the gauge's readout either.
Rick Piper's groundbreaking HS.748 with the same Dart 532 powerplants refers to 15000 RPM on takeoff, 14200 on climb & cruise with max continuous revs of 14500.
Rescuing my precious Rolls Royce engines from ending up as grinding powder, I'd better stay within this envelope...


Thank you for this awesome aircraft! :applause:


Cheers,
Markus.

[AussieMan]

I am doing a repaint of an EAST-WEST F-27. The main scheme is green and gold. I have a problem though. The aerials on the bottom of the fuselage are the same colour as the fuselage itself. After painting the fuselage I still have the white aerials and for the love of me I cannot find them in any of the templates.

I have noticed that some painters have found them. Could they please tell me where to find them please. Here are some screenshots of the offending items.

[Ian Warren]

Thank you for choosing this method!

Otherwise, my upcoming NAC variant with the foremost passenger window covered by an ice shield panel won't be possible:


http://abload.de/img/f27_269utn.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=f27_269utn.jpg)
Thank you for this awesome aircraft! :applause:

Looking superb Markus , just a little tweak with the 'Godwit' logo as they were a circle , that is looking and in Che's wicked New Plymouth scenery :encouragement:

[Ian Warren]

I am doing a repaint of an EAST-WEST F-27. The main scheme is green and gold. I have a problem though. The aerials on the bottom of the fuselage are the same colour as the fuselage itself. After painting the fuselage I still have the white aerials and for the love of me I cannot find them in any of the templates.

I have noticed that some painters have found them. Could they please tell me where to find them please. Here are some screenshots of the offending items.


Pat I have not had a chance to have a play , Markus cut the slack for me and hooked into it and the New Zealand schemes - very sure he'd no exactly were to find them on the templates.

[bazzar]

Antennas are located as in the screenshot.:engel016:

[ColoKent]

Bazzar...SAVIOR OF THE (JF F27) WORLD!

Thanks,

Kent

[Ian Warren]

Bazzar...SAVIOR OF THE (JF F27) WORLD!

Long awaited , I love the short hops , doing the simply early Nav , none of this 'click click click' , great using flight maps to get you home :encouragement:

[Ian Warren]

Antennas are located as in the screenshot.:engel016:
Nice Baz :adoration: I may have needed this info myself , maybe only for one version the 'RNZAF F-27' , looks like Markus is really doing a Superb effort with New Zealand's Fokker Friendship :cool:

[AussieMan]

Thanks Bazz.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

... just a little tweak with the 'Godwit' logo as they were a circle

Thanks for applying your expert eye, mate!
Initially I thought it was a matter of perspective, since this bird was sticked to the tail textures actually in a circle:

http://abload.de/img/godwit160qhd.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=godwit160qhd.jpg)


But the screeshot in fact reveals some distorsion to the length:

http://abload.de/img/godwit24oqi1.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=godwit24oqi1.jpg)


So obviously the textures do get a little stretched when wrapped around the model (about 105%). Not too hard to compensate this:

http://abload.de/img/godwit3w3o51.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=godwit3w3o51.jpg)



Additional thanks go to Bazzar for solving the aerial issue (didn't have a clue where those textures were located)!
May I presume that the fin-shaped (UHF?) antennae fairings won't get overpainted, thus bearing a natural plastic white-greyish shade, whilst the towel-bar (NDB?) aerials could receive some paint?


Cheers,
Markus.

[Ian Warren]

Looking Superb Markus :adoration:

[mrogers]

Quite a superb paint Markus! You've a great eye for detail.
Are you planning to do more NZ repaints?

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Are you planning to do more NZ repaints?

Thank you!

Currently in the works are these:

http://abload.de/img/bxf5qvuyc.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=bxf5qvuyc.jpg)



http://abload.de/img/bxf7atuxt.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=bxf7atuxt.jpg)

ZK-BXF 'Karuwai' in its 1971 livery, reference image here: http://www.airliners.net/photo/NAC---New/Fokker-F-27-100-Friendship/1932080/L/&sid=66277a1b7b776f9eb6e3307ac77b6bea


http://abload.de/img/nah_2q1qfl.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=nah_2q1qfl.jpg)

http://abload.de/img/nah_19ka6f.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=nah_19ka6f.jpg)

ZK-NAH (don't bother the wrong rego, early WIP status) in the 1980 NAC/ANZ transition scheme, template here: http://w.aussieairliners.org/f-27os/new%20zealand/zknah.html


Probably more to follow, maybe bearing a Mount Cook Lily ...


Cheers,
Markus.

[mrogers]

Beautiful! I used to fly as a passenger in all these NZ F27s in my younger days, and I have fond memories of being in the F27. The one I liked most was the NAC red and white colors. The Mount Cook F27 was one of a kind as Mount Cook used HS748s.

[Ian Warren]

Now Markus .. sure your not a New Zealander :encouragement:

[Wild Bill Kelso]

... as Mount Cook used HS748s.

Yep - I'm still quite familiar with those, as I did the repaint on Rick Piper's awesome 'Screaming Hawker' some moons ago...:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/NZ2/zkcwj20.jpg (http://s603.photobucket.com/user/wildbillkelso_berlin/media/NZ2/zkcwj20.jpg.html)

(FS9 version, but works fine with FSX)



The Aeroplane Heaven / JustFlight F-27 is such a delight, both on flying and painting (maybe adding a mesh layer to the paint kit could be handy), and having spent lots of hours with the 748, everything in the Friendship seems quite acquainted to me.

Currently, there's just one major issue deterring me from releasing those repaints:
The texture's quite large resolution allows readable detail lettering, and I still couldn't figure out the text on those engine access (fire extinguisher?) panels on the nacelles:

http://abload.de/img/f27_1k6uz2.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=f27_1k6uz2.jpg)

Maybe some of the F-27 buffs aboard could help me out...?


Edit
@ Ian:
Sure my parents would have told me that, but as things increasingly got messed up around here, maybe one day you could support me in acquiring the NZ citizenship? :wiggle:


Cheers,
Markus.

[Ian Warren]

Buddy , I'll go thru my references in the morrow morning - targeting those specific details and see what I come up with :encouragement:

[Ian Warren]

Edit
@ Ian:
Sure my parents would have told me that, but as things increasingly got messed up around here, maybe one day you could support me in acquiring the NZ citizenship? :wiggle:


I'm very sure the Ferrymead Museum would love your 'Choo Choo' train knowledge in Christchurch or even better to drive a KA/KB class , or MOTAT in Auckland .. but there bloody housing up there is/has gone mental in pricing just stupid .. course you could go south to the area off the Famed "Kingston Flyer' in mid Otago .

[StormILM]

Found this over at Flightsim.com late yesterday. NICE!!!
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22907&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22908&stc=1

[Ian Warren]

I have that one installed Storm , It is a break from the standard , ideal for your airshow scenery's :bee:

[StormILM]

The only major issue with that repaint is that the author apparently bathed the Friendship_Nacelles_t.dds texture almost entirely black (which includes the prop texture) and as a result, the prop is blacked out when it should be the standard color. It's easy enough to fix (which I did as a temporary measure) until I can bring it to the author's attention.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Antennas are located as in the screenshot.

Well, as far as I've tried out, the depicted area where the antennae pick their textures from is also used for the left-hand's cabin roof.
So if I paint the bottom aerials to match the fuselage's belly colour, I'll end up with a chunk of cabin top showing the same shade, which doesn't look too smart...

That's a real bummer, since there are several areas left on the texture map to pick the aerial textures from instead... :a1451:

Cheers,
Markus.

[yankeeromeo]

Hello Folks,
This little F27 is not that bad, even some with:encouragement:
Some regrets, a cargo version with some carts around the plane while at an airport and the smoke effect on take off.
Anybody already tried to add the smoke effect into the cfg ? This plane desserve a little smoke, don't you think ?
Congrats to team who create this F27.
Thank in advance.
:ernaehrung004:

[ZsoltB]

http://kepkezelo.com/images/hb9s7v9iwx2ofpy8id2.jpg

http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=190149

[yankeeromeo]

:applause:Congrats Zsolt for this magnificient shot/repaint of the near real C-6:dizzy:

[mgr]

Hiya Zsolt,

Looking great!! Seems you have managed to get around some of the "mistakes" in the mapping of some fuselage parts ;-)

BTW seems your Friendship_FuseB_t, is missing it's spec and bump? Shows even in your screenshots...

Thx again for this repaint!

Marcel

[Spikehughes]

Hello Folks,
This little F27 is not that bad, even some with:encouragement:
Some regrets, a cargo version with some carts around the plane
:ernaehrung004:

The Cargo version does have Large open sided "Cans" around it on apron... rather than the Luggage trolleys as with the pax version

[ZsoltB]

Guys,that's not my job!
I just advertisement!

[hae5904]

You better should have mentioned that when posting that picture from Avsim and at least name the creator of that repaint.

[Ian Warren]

http://kepkezelo.com/images/hb9s7v9iwx2ofpy8id2.jpg

http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=190149

NOW I DO LIKE THAT :encouragement:

[AussieMan]

Well, as far as I've tried out, the depicted area where the antennae pick their textures from is also used for the left-hand's cabin roof.
So if I paint the bottom aerials to match the fuselage's belly colour, I'll end up with a chunk of cabin top showing the same shade, which doesn't look too smart...

That's a real bummer, since there are several areas left on the texture map to pick the aerial textures from instead... :a1451:

Cheers,
Markus.

Markus I am having exactly the same problem. I have a green cabin top on the left side of a particular repaint I am attempting and for the moment I have left the belly aerials white.

[bazzar]

These will be remapped in the upgrade build to come.:engel016:

[ZsoltB]

You better should have mentioned that when posting that picture from Avsim and at least name the creator of that repaint.

Would have been better if....LOL

[mgr]

Guys,that's not my job!
I just advertisement!

THanks for pointing them out then :-)

Carsten did some more repaints:


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Marcel

[Alex_Ford]

Hello Everybody. It’s Alex Ford from Just Flight again. I just wanted to post an update saying that we have started work on creating a service pack for the F27. We have read and will continue to read all of your feedback and where possible will incorporate it in the update, there are however a few things that are outside the scope of the product. When the SP is ready I will post a list of what’s been addressed. We have no date for the SP’s release yet and we will only release it when it’s fully ready.

In the meantime thank you for all your feedback, it’s great to see so many of you enjoying the F27 and we are especially enjoying all the great looking repaints that are appearing!

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Thanks for this news, Alex!

Despite some niggling, this is still a true gem.
"Good is good, but better carries it", so I'm pretty much looking forward to the SP announced.
As I understood Bazzar, there'll also be some alterations concerning the texture mapping, so I should better wait with releasing my repaints.

You might also take the autopilot's coding to revision:
Seems to me like it doesn't hold the altitude too well, sinking with some tiny fpm instead. No big deal on short hops, but longer hauls by now do need some subtle climbs to maintain FL.
Is it just me?

Cheers,
Markus.

[yankeeromeo]

Hello Folks,
The more i flying this F27 the more i like:applause:
Hope an update in the new SP for the tracking Nav, VOR etc..
Thanks:ernaehrung004:

[Spikehughes]

Good to hear there will be Service Pack...

[mgr]

These will be remapped in the upgrade build to come.:engel016:

Will also this be fixed?:jump:

http://garfield.home.xs4all.nl/pics/wrong-mapping.jpg

Also love to have 2 separate side-cockpit window textures, both sides share the same texture are the moment. Very difficult to make accurate cammo repaint cause of this.

Thx,

Marcel

[Motormouse]

You might also take the autopilot's coding to revision:
Seems to me like it doesn't hold the altitude too well, sinking with some tiny fpm instead. No big deal on short hops, but longer hauls by now do need some subtle climbs to maintain FL.
Is it just me?

Cheers,
Markus.

No the real ones would do that, and drift off hdg too.
Out of our 3, only one retained the autopilot, it was removed on others, as spares became
scarce @ 1992!
(Flight directors stayed, autopilot control and servos were removed)


Ttfn

Pete

(One-time Fokker Fixer)

[Wild Bill Kelso]

No the real ones would do that, and drift off hdg too.

So it's not a bug but a feature. :biggrin-new:
And a very accurate one too...

Good to know - thanks for this information!
It could be a good idea to mention this particular feature in the manual...

Cheers,
Markus.

[llama1910]

Hi everyone,

let me introduce myself - I am Carsten from Germany and as I found my Fokker Troopship advertised here yesterday I finally dared to post something :)

Thanks to Marcel's input I uploaded a revised version. The front port window is now correctly eliminated, the roundels moved and the wing walkline added.
I am not a repaint artist, rather did this one (and 3 more KLU F27s) for a Facebook friend, but I hope you like it :)

Cheers
Carsten


http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=190158

[StormILM]

Thanks for this news, Alex!

Despite some niggling, this is still a true gem.
"Good is good, but better carries it", so I'm pretty much looking forward to the SP announced.
As I understood Bazzar, there'll also be some alterations concerning the texture mapping, so I should better wait with releasing my repaints.

You might also take the autopilot's coding to revision:
Seems to me like it doesn't hold the altitude too well, sinking with some tiny fpm instead. No big deal on short hops, but longer hauls by now do need some subtle climbs to maintain FL.
Is it just me?

Cheers,
Markus.

I found that if you activate the altitude hold on the lower A/P panel(pedestal) as opposed to the one on the main panel, it holds altitude almost perfectly.

[Motormouse]

Hi everyone,

let me introduce myself - I am Carsten from Germany and as I found my Fokker Troopship advertised here yesterday I finally dared to post something :)

Thanks to Marcel's input I uploaded a revised version. The front port window is now correctly eliminated, the roundels moved and the wing walkline added.
I am not a repaint artist, rather did this one (and 3 more KLU F27s) for a Facebook friend, but I hope you like it :)

Cheers
Carsten


http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=190158

The Troopship is technically a series 400 IIRC. Their display flying routine was legendary, I have a picture at home of one part way through a loop.

Ttfn

Pete

[llama1910]

The Troopship is technically a series 400 IIRC. Their display flying routine was legendary, I have a picture at home of one part way through a loop.

Ttfn

Pete

The Troopships were -300Ms, while the C-1 and C-2 were F27-100 Friendships.
the display was awesome indeed, I saw it in Sanicole in the late 80s :)

Cheers
Carstenhttp://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22961&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22960&stc=1

[Motormouse]

The Troopships were -300Ms, while the C-1 and C-2 were F27-100 Friendships.
the display was awesome indeed, I saw it in Sanicole in the late 80s :)

Cheers
Carstenhttp://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22961&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22960&stc=1

Nice shots. I'll cross check my official Fokker 27 Engineers pocketbook when I get home, but I'm pretty sure the Troopship, was a separate sub type 400 series which shared the strengthened floor of the 600 series (and slightly lower payload)
The 200/300-M was called Troopship in popular parlance.


Ttfn

Pete

[llama1910]

That'd be interesting to know. Afaik there were also -400M Troopships, but they were not used by the KLu.
Anyhow it is a beautiful bird, no matter what the subvariant is :)
My next paint was in fact a -500, but I want it ;)

cheers
Carsten

[hae5904]

Nice shots. I'll cross check my official Fokker 27 Engineers pocketbook when I get home, but I'm pretty sure the Troopship, was a separate sub type 400 series which shared the strengthened floor of the 600 series (and slightly lower payload)
The 200/300-M was called Troopship in popular parlance.
Ttfn
Pete

No, the F27-300M (also referred to as F27M-300 ) build for the Royal Netherlands Air Force were the original Troopships. We used 9 Troopships ( C-4 / C-12 ) besides the standard F27-100 ( C-1 / C-3 ) pax/VIP.

Hank

[llama1910]

Thanks Hank for the info :)

Here is another camouflaged Fokker void any markings, originating from yankeeromeo's request. The ideal plane for your clandestine operations ;)
(The upload will contain optional windows as well)

Cheers
Carsten

[yankeeromeo]

Yo, you-re right, not a lot of legal ops around here...:very_drunk:
THANKS A LOT.
:ernaehrung004:

[Wild Bill Kelso]

The texture's quite large resolution allows readable detail lettering, and I still couldn't figure out the text on those engine access (fire extinguisher?) panels on the nacelles:

http://abload.de/img/f27_1k6uz2.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=f27_1k6uz2.jpg)

Maybe some of the F-27 buffs aboard could help me out...?

Forget about it!
As the nacelle textures are used for both engines, it's getting flipped to the other side, thus being not readable at least on one nacelle anyway.
I should have realized this earlier, sorry for bothering... http://nzff.org/images/smilies/sad.gif

The font size has been reduced to unreadable stutter, now serving both sides.

Cheers,
Markus.

[flaviossa]

TAVAJ Linhas Aéreas PT-LAG soon here at SOH:
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/05/17/3f763f.jpg

Original
http://img1.jetphotos.net:8080/img/1/3/7/4/17756_1296770473.jpg

[flaviossa]

Question to JF staff: Can this file be put in the paintkit? Friendship_gear_t
There are some cases that this areas should be painted too!

Thanks.

[Ian Warren]

Flaviossa , that is a striking paint , both your paint :encouragement: and the real one :cool:

[yankeeromeo]

Yo, i second that

[flaviossa]

Thanks guys! The paint is revised and uploaded. Take a look at the library :encouragement:
Some more will show up soon.

Edit: Just a correction in the cfg file. Change this lines:
model=200
ui_type=F27-200 Friendship

to

model=300
ui_type=F27-300 Friendship

[Ian Warren]

Thanks guys! The paint is revised and uploaded. Take a look at the library :encouragement:
Some more will show up soon.

Edit: Just a correction in the cfg file. Change this lines:
model=200
ui_type=F27-200 Friendship

to

model=300
ui_type=F27-300 Friendship
Best thing to do is upload a new file and ask admin remove the old ...... just so people don't get confused later.:encouragement:

[llama1910]

My latest baby :)

[Ian Warren]

Another striking paint , looking superb Lama :adoration:

[monk1]

Some fantastic paints coming out for this bird. Any of you talented painters interested in doing the old Piedmont livery?

http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac3/Airline/Piedmont%20Fairchild%20FH-227.jpg

[jymp]

Actually the above pic is of a Piedmont FH-227B, which they flew as well as the F-27

[Ian Warren]

Little different model but it would be a Goodie :encouragement:

[jymp]

Also...If anyone does this paint the correct color code for the blue stripes is 002366

[SeanTK]

Norwegian liveries. Includes Busy Bee, Braathens, and Scandinavian:

http://polystack.com/Various.html

[manfredc3]

Thanks for the link Sean,

I like those textures

[CG_1976]

I found a little Canadian Fokker that wants a paint lol.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23412&stc=1

[AussieMan]

A couple of repaints have surfaced over on the OZx forums. One is a TAA and the other an Air Niugini. If you can access it here is the link:

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/topic/22923-taa-air-niugini-paints-for-jfs-f-27/

These 2 were on my list but it seems I have been saved the trouble :).

[Ian Warren]

Thanks Pat , I know off one who did fly Air New Guinea and the TAA many years ago then went to QANTAS .. be an ideal aircraft up in the mid tropic region. :cool:

[dvj]

http://kepkezelo.com/images/hb9s7v9iwx2ofpy8id2.jpg

http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=190149


I could not find this texture at the link provided. Has it been pulled from Avsim?

j

[mgr]

I could not find this texture at the link provided. Has it been pulled from Avsim?
j

There is a updated version, the download link is: http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=190158

Marcel

[dvj]

There is a updated version, the download link is: http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=190158

Marcel

Fantastic!

[dvj]

Been flying this a bit. Aileron latency? I turn the yoke, and the aileron roll starts a full second later. Is this normal? The latency of response make landings challenging to say the least. Also, no yoke centering when you press #5 on the keypad. Rudder response and centering is OK. In fact, everything else seems just fine.

j

[TiAr]

Working on Skyteam Freighter D-ACCS repaint. Okay it is a very special one. But it seems there is no solution out with belly antenna mapping with current models. Perhaps an idea for a fix.

http://up.picr.de/22147399rp.jpg

Anyway, over all it is a nice plane.

Thomas

[Ian Warren]

I can tell you Tomas , I have said the word before in a previous post , 'STRIKING !' you have done a brilliant job on that ... antenna ... hells only there to hang you washing on :encouragement:

Seriously I'm sure you will get an answer for the antenna.

[ColoKent]

I **think** there is a post on Just Flight's forum about this antenna texture thing...

Kent

[Stickshaker]

Been flying this a bit. Aileron latency? I turn the yoke, and the aileron roll starts a full second later. Is this normal? The latency of response make landings challenging to say the least. Also, no yoke centering when you press #5 on the keypad. Rudder response and centering is OK. In fact, everything else seems just fine.

j

I do not experience as much latency as you seem to do, but the latency I have seems realistic to me. I think that many FS pales have ailerons that are too effective, especially at very low speeds,, and with large aircraft.<o:p></o:p>

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Hi guys!

Being a friend of 'hybrid livery' and other oddball paintings, I've chosen the 1980 transitional scheme of Air Anglia's/AirUK's G-BAKL for my next release.
Here's the real deal:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-UK/Fokker-F-27-200-Friendship/1504942/L/&sid=51228169201e69f6dd14d6098a0d9e89

Although the JF package comes with either Anglia and AirUK versions, I've not just pasted them together but built a complete new livery from scratch with a slightly different shade of orange and a new hand made AirUK logo on the fin (letters outlined for this version).
But now I run into a serious problem with the prop spinners:
The textures for the static spinner isn't too hard to find, but where does the rotating spinner takes its textures from?

http://abload.de/img/spinner1vwofh.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=spinner1vwofh.jpg)

http://abload.de/img/spinner26oo87.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=spinner26oo87.jpg)

See?
Once the engine spools up, this crazy chameleon spinner turns from orange to grey.

Of course I've tried to locate the rotaing spinner textures by marking several dubious areas on the map:

http://abload.de/img/spinner8friv.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=spinner8friv.jpg)

but no success.


Any ideas?
Or is this also an item for the service pack announced?

Thanks in advance,
Markus.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Sorry for bothering - I've finally figured it out:

http://abload.de/img/spinner3jau57.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=spinner3jau57.jpg)


Here's where both spinner's texture is picked from:

http://abload.de/img/spinner4o1u71.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=spinner4o1u71.jpg)



Actually it was Marcel's colourful map posted here
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?92474-JF-F27-released!-(29th-April)&p=954096&viewfull=1#post954096
which lead me the way to the right file. Thanks for that, mate!
It's a quite neat idea to place the spinning spinner's textures in a different file than the static ones...

Interestingly enough, the stock Air Anglia livery included in the JF package shows those chameleon spinners as well.

Cheers,
Markus.

[Ian Warren]

Looking Great Markus , been a little busy to get into some painting myself but when you hook into a site like this http://www.fokkerairliners.nl/97306818 the world really is your Oyster :encouragement:

[jeansy]

would someone be kind enough to do a RAN LADS scheme please

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=lads+f27&sa=X&biw=1702&bih=919&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=XzCFVZyNCYnd8AXOgZ-AAg&ved=0CDIQ7Ak

[Ian Warren]

would someone be kind enough to do a RAN LADS scheme please


This is one you could hook into on your own without a problem Matt :encouragement: very user friendly paint kit or hand paint.

[flaviossa]

Uploaded two more brazilian f27´s.

Paraense PP-BUI:
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/06/26/Paraense_Real.jpg
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/06/26/Paraense.jpg

Varig PP-BUH:
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/06/26/Varig_Real.jpg
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/06/26/Varig.jpg

Just wait SOH staff aprove it and it will be available in Warbirds Library.

[AussieMan]

would someone be kind enough to do a RAN LADS scheme please

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=lads+f27&sa=X&biw=1702&bih=919&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=XzCFVZyNCYnd8AXOgZ-AAg&ved=0CDIQ7Ak

I will have a look at it for you Matt. I will need up to a week because of health issues as well as RL issues even though I am happily retired. Just need to find a LADS screen shot.

[mgr]

Hiya,

Can some spot the differences in this screenshot?

http://garfield.home.xs4all.nl/pics/f27pitc1.jpg

Regards,

Marcel

[flaviossa]

One to fly in bolivian Andes. LAB CP-2013 "Reina Beatrix":
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/06/27/Lloyd_real.jpg
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/06/27/Lloyd.jpg


Just wait SOH staff aprove it and it will be available in Warbirds Library. :encouragement:

[Ian Warren]

These are looking superb flaviossa :adoration: I really do like the following off the lessor know airlines ... Just Brilliant :encouragement:

[flaviossa]

Thanks Mr. Ian :encouragement:
It´s not the best quality work of the great repainters of SOH but at least you can fly with them too!

[Spikehughes]

Yes !!! I think it is that you have changed the garish colours of the warning lights

[AussieMan]

Matt (Jeansy) asked if someone could do a Royal Australian Navy LADS (Laser Airborne Depth Sounder) F-27. I put my hand up to give it a try little realising the fun (not) I was about to have. The aircraft is actually a -500 model which created the first problem. The JF F-27 has 11 windows but the LADS aircraft is longer and has 13 windows. To get around this I have used the basic -300 model with the front door from the -100 model. Work on the forward section was fairly straight forward but the rear end text caused me some headaches but I have done the best I can.

After spending 5 days trying to create the tail logo I finally said **** it I'll try another method. I decided to use a cut/paste method and to my mind it seems to have worked. There is more work to be done but I am hoping to have it finished by mid week.

Here are a few WIP screenshots to hopefully whet your appetites. If you see something that may need changing just let me know.

[Ian Warren]

Pat looking good so far .. Navy LADS , off course if ya going to throw it into cold water it will shrink a little :encouragement:

[pilto von pilto]

I'm all over this in a slightly inappropriate and unsettling way. :encouragement:

[npk3]

Finnish Air Force painting a Just Flight's Fokker is welcome :encouragement:

[bazzar]

Should anybody want to change the window configuration or not have windows at all, it is not too difficult. The textures for the fuselage use alpha channels to cut the windows out. All that needs to be done is alter the alpha channel of the texture to ad, subtract or not have any windows at all.:engel016:

[imn2sims]

Watched hundreds of these fly over my house as a kid. We lived about 3 miles from KSTL and right under the approach to 30L. I remember my dad constantly cursing as planes would come over and disrupt TV reception. My uncle worked as a dispatcher for Ozark also. Anywho, I would be most grateful to anyone willing to reproduce this livery. Did a little research and looks like plenty of pictures are out there, besides I think it's a real "looker".

Thanks
Steve

http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/amiami/cabinet/images/2012/37/toy-scl2-14992.jpg

[manfredc3]

A review on Mutley's Hangar

http://mutleyshangar.com/reviews/ag/f27/f27.htm

[flaviossa]

The last paint for this bird from me is a famous one: FAU 571
This plane was envolved in a crash in the Andes in 1972 with stories of canibalism, heroism, etc ... there are even movies about it.
History: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217141/I-eat-piece-friend-survive-Torment-1972-Andes-plane-crash-survivor-haunted-ordeal-40-years-later.html

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/08/03/FokkerAnde1972.jpg http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/08/03/article-2217141-157BE9E4000005DC-649_634x459.jpg
http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/08/03/2015-8-3_15-26-37-757.jpg

Youtube documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Mpm5nYxls

Available later today in Warbirds Library.
That´s all folks!

[Ian Warren]

Flaviossa, I was wondering when one was going to bring that one up , the movie 'ALIVE' I've seen a couple of times, a fasinating true story, great thing the having a followup documentary with the people involved.

Another post I have to put up at NZFF, pleased you posted the link.

[Martyn]

Hi all

The F27 Friendship service pack is now available: http://www.justflight.com/support/fokker-f27-friendship/dba9633





Numerous improvements to autopilot (airspeed hold mode now adjusts pitch to maintain airspeed rather than using the autothrottle to adjust power)
Numerous improvements to flight director (operating correctly but only operational in lateral modes)
Installer support added for Prepar3D v3
Improved sound-set
Tool included to toggle default Flight Simulator fuel pump
Standby AHI bank indicator missing – fixed
Rear wheel chocks added, nosewheel chock repositioned
Turn indicator under reading - fixed
Left fuel flow gauge over reading – fixed
Fuel trimmer tooltip and logic – fixed
Livery panel lines adjusted
Altimeter textures adjusted for improved readability
HSI TO/FROM indicator added
New DX10 compatible light effects added
Engine ignitor clicking sounds added to virtual cockpit
Altimeter pressure subscale now indicates MB and INHG
Gauge backlighting can now be switched on during daylight hours
FDE modified to add simulation of propeller ground fine
Default GPS popup added
Paint kit updated to add missing weathering (available here - http://www.justflight.com/support/fokker-f27-friendship/fd13410)
Engine intake textures fixed
Hole in fuselage when viewed through rear passenger door – fixed
Port flap animation fixed
New textures for overhead panel fresh air vents
VHF receiver lights still illuminated with electrical power off – fixed
Rear passenger door frame textures fixed
Sounds added for seatbelt and no smoking signs
Clickspot added to captains seat to hide/show armrest for better access to centre pedestal
PDF manual updated to reflect software changes, including updated tutorial flight with updated and added/altered operational procedures. Please re-read the manual and fly the tutorial flight to fully see and understand the changes and improvements.

[flaviossa]

Very nice update Martyn, thanks!
Can you say if the paints made with the old paintkit works with the new model? I have too many created and if it´s not compatible anymore i have to evaluate if it´s viable to correct all of them. Thanks again.

[Martyn]

The updated paint kit adds a missing weathering layer to 'Friendship_FuseA_T' and addresses a few minor texture mapping issues (identified by Marcel here (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?92474-JF-F27-released!-(29th-April)&p=954096&viewfull=1#post954096)). We tested a selection of user repaints on the 100/200/300 and they all worked fine so there shouldn't be any issues with existing repaints.

[big-mike]

Is the SP included in the Friendship_108?
Mike

[flaviossa]

Thanks Martyn, will test tonight :encouragement:

[Martyn]

Is the SP included in the Friendship_108?
Mike

Yes, Friendship_108.exe is the latest version of the product.

[Martyn]

Regarding any existing repaints that you have installed, if you haven't manually deleted the repaint texture folder(s) from within the F-27 aircraft folders before installing the latest version of the product, and if the creator of the repaint included an 'aircraft.inf' file in the texture folder (which contains the information to be added to the aircraft.cfg), then the installer will restore those repaints and they will be available in the latest software with no further action required.

The support text which says you'll loose any existing repaints makes the assumption that the texture folders have been deleted and/or the repainter didn't include an aircraft.inf file.

[big-mike]

Yes, Friendship_108.exe is the latest version of the product.

Thank you,Martyn.
Mike

[Roger]

Yes, thanks for the hu Martyn:applause:

[kiki]

It´s lovely airplane but HOW are you able to read that altimeter gauge???:banghead:

[ColoKent]

Great add-on, nice service pack, but I'd like to confirm that the bug in the VC (where the yoke is always cranked over to the left) has not been fixed yet.

Still loving flying this baby...

Kent

[jojohnson9]

Great add-on, nice service pack, but I'd like to confirm that the bug in the VC (where the yoke is always cranked over to the left) has not been fixed yet.

Still loving flying this baby...

Kent

I had the yoke problem when I first installed the updated version. I reinstalled and the yoke works fine now.

[flaviossa]

Don´t have this yoke problem even before the sp, maybe a conflict with other addon/hardware?

[Martyn]

Fokker F27 Friendship service pack 2 is now available: http://www.justflight.com/support/fokker-f27-friendship/dba9633





New altimeter fitted for improved readability
ADI gyro flag logic fixed
Cockpit lighting in P3Dv3 fixed
Antenna location now shown on dedicated PSD layer in paint kit - link HERE (http://www.justflight.com/support/fokker-f27-friendship/fd13410)
RPM gauge markings adjusted

[TiAr]

great. I will upload my Skyteam D-ACCS repaint here next days.

http://up.picr.de/23878843rl.jpg

Thomas

[Ian Warren]

I really do like that paint Tomas , superbly well done :encouragement:

[fsafranek]

Very nice paint, and thank you Martyn!
:ernaehrung004:

[kiki]

Now there is a repaint I do want to have!!! But what is Skyteam? Not just an alliance?

[manfredc3]

getting frustrated with the download of SP2.

Tried at least 5 times, and every time it stops at 50-75% of the download. Had the same issue with the Tristar. Downloads from other websites are completing just fine. Grrr.

[Martyn]

getting frustrated with the download of SP2.

Tried at least 5 times, and every time it stops at 50-75% of the download. Had the same issue with the Tristar. Downloads from other websites are completing just fine. Grrr.

We've received no other reports of this and I've just downloaded it successfully so the file can't be corrupted. Are you using any sort of download manager?

[erican2]

Fokker F27 Friendship service pack 2 is now available: http://www.justflight.com/support/fokker-f27-friendship/dba9633




Are you using Norton Antivirus? I had a similar problem downloading the tornado demo on a pc running Norton but no problems with Kaspersky. Norton deleted the exe file every time as a dangerous file.

[AussieMan]

Martyn, was there ever an updated paint kit released for the F-27. Was supposed to fix some mapping problems.

[Martyn]

Martyn, was there ever an updated paint kit released for the F-27. Was supposed to fix some mapping problems.

It can be downloaded here - http://www.justflight.com/support/fokker-f27-friendship/fd13410

[AussieMan]

It can be downloaded here - http://www.justflight.com/support/fokker-f27-friendship/fd13410


Thanks Martyn. Yer blood's worth bottling :).

[manfredc3]

We've received no other reports of this and I've just downloaded it successfully so the file can't be corrupted. Are you using any sort of download manager?

No download manager. I have Windows 10, and tried downloading in Chrome and IE. I also tried it on my windows 7 desktop, and am having the same issue there.

This morning I tried downloading again, and it took 4 attempts before it finally completed.

[TiAr]

Just uploaded repaint Sky Team D-ACCS for new JF updates FSX/P3D.

http://up.picr.de/23896188kp.jpg

Sky Team was a small package and charter carrier, based in Frankfurt/M., Germany, until 2002. In real D-ACCS was a Friendship F27-500. Out of service in 2002, used as airport fire training facilility until 2014 at Karlsruhe Baden Airpark EDSB. Currently stored in bad conditions in EDSB.

Should be available soon.

Thomas

[Roger]

Just uploaded repaint Sky Team D-ACCS for new JF updates FSX/P3D.

http://up.picr.de/23896188kp.jpg

Sky Team was a small package and charter carrier, based in Frankfurt/M., Germany, until 2002. In real D-ACCS was a Friendship F27-500. Out of service in 2002, used as airport fire training facilility until 2014 at Karlsruhe Baden Airpark EDSB. Currently stored in bad conditions in EDSB.

Should be available soon.

Thomas

Super repaint! Thanks Thomas:ernaehrung004:

[kiki]

It looks nice. It's going to be my own Fokker in Europe! Only on thing: is the antenna on the roof supposed to be white?

[TiAr]

It looks nice. It's going to be my own Fokker in Europe! Only on thing: is the antenna on the roof supposed to be white?

Yes, but the real F27-500 has a normal fin antenna - not the V-one.

[jankees]

wow, that's a nice paintjob!

[manfredc3]

Love the Sky Team repaint.

Oh, and, no I am not using a virus program when downloading.

[AussieMan]

Now that I have the up to date paint kit I can finish a couple of projects I have had on hold. I am able to paint the "Tube Aerials" the same colour as the fuselage but there are several aerials on the lower fuselage I am not able to find them in the paint kit. A couple of screenshots are enclosed.

[Martyn]

Here are the locations of those aerials:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32586&stc=1

[Ian Warren]

Now that I have the up to date paint kit I can finish a couple of projects I have had on hold. I am able to paint the "Tube Aerials" the same colour as the fuselage but there are several aerials on the lower fuselage I am not able to find them in the paint kit. A couple of screenshots are enclosed.

Looking great Pat :encouragement:

[Ian Warren]

Here are the locations of those aerials:

Cheers Martyn :very_drunk: so easy to loose our way when hooking into the paint pots .

[AussieMan]

Thanks Martyn.

And you are not wrong there Ian.

[AussieMan]

All sorted now Martyn. All I need to do is to finish the current paint and upload it. May be finished by the weekend.

You have to love these hidden goodies :jump:.