Wouldn't it be nice if.....

[dhazelgrove]

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc234/dhazelgrove/Z1-7.jpg~original

.....we had one of these in FSX.

Dave

[ejoiner]

.....we had one of these in FSX.

Dave


Nah. Not really.






























:a1310::biggrin-new:

[Navy Chief]

What aircraft is that? Am guessing that the screenshot is from FS9, since your post indicates that A/C is not in FSX? NC

[Roger]

Jaguar!:engel016:

[d0mokun]

That's a SEPECAT Jaguar! It would be nice to have a new one, but I bet it wouldn't be so nice to get the gear animation sussed!

Dan

[b52bob]

Looks like a tf-104 nose grafted on a f-111 body with funny intakes and landing gear.

[spins_vmfa321]

I cannot express how much this needs to happen....



This needs to happen! O_O

Jamal

[hairyspin]

... I bet it wouldn't be so nice to get the gear animation sussed!

Dan

I think you'll find that gauntlet has already been picked up, iirc, but it's up to the developers to show screenshots or video if they want.

[DaveWG]

UKMil have a FSX native Jag. I use it with Dinos F14 VC.

[StormILM]

I remember the FS9 Only version which Alphasim had under development as FSX came into its own. OriginallyThere was talk of making it a port-over to FSX and then I clearly remember discussion of making a native version in different forums. It is a shame it seems to have gone by the wayside as it was beginning to look really good. The last reference I saw was here in this thread:
http://sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?75855-Virtavia-Juaguar-projetc

[dhazelgrove]

UKMil have a FSX native Jag. I use it with Dinos F14 VC.

It is indeed the UKMIL FSX-native bird - but there's no VC and few weapons options. That's the why of this thread.

Imagine a Tacpack-enabled GR.3.....

Perhaps one of our mainstream developers could take it up?

Dave

[dhasdell]

Looks like a tf-104 nose grafted on a f-111 body with funny intakes and landing gear.
Now that reminds me of the comment by a USN officer on first seeing a Fairey Barracuda: "Jeez, you Limeys will be building airplanes next."

[Naismith]

There are French ones here http://www.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.frenchairforce.fr/download.php not so sure if they are true FSX or ports.
Both the A and E ecole models too

[Bjoern]

Didn't UKMIL work on a VC for this one?

[dhazelgrove]

Didn't UKMIL work on a VC for this one?

I'm afraid not.

Dave

[Bjoern]

Has UKMIL been working on anything lately anyway?
The FB group doesn't mention anything and I'm too lazy to recover my site account to have a peek in their forums.



Someone with enough motivation and (G)Max skills could ask the Strike Fighters crowd if they are willing to license their Jag cockpit model(s) and textures for a freeware project. That would reduce the required workload down to code FSX-compatible animations and instruments.

[dhazelgrove]

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc234/dhazelgrove/Z1-8.jpg~original

Out of Nellis - deserted!

Dave

[Christoph_T]

Dave, I am with you!
I would love to have a Jaguar with up to date's standards!!
This or a Saab Gripen (Sorry, daydreaming again)

[noddy]

Agreed would be nice to have one in FSX. Some very old shots.

http://imageshack.com/a/img104/4735/jag52mz.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/noddy1966/ae78eb1e.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/noddy1966/jag3.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i305/noddy1966/jag2-3.jpg

[Dumonceau]

Looks like a tf-104 nose grafted on a f-111 body with funny intakes and landing gear.

Maybe you should try to chat to some aggressor pilots who tried to shoot it down during Red Flag, and FAILED! :jump: The Jags just flew too low for them to get a lock. In the words of one Yank pilot: "the Jags shave the rocks and part the sand".

The Jag is/was and extremely capable aircraft, and beautiful at that. So yes, it is sorely needed for FSX/P3D.

[d0mokun]

Agreed would be nice to have one in FSX. Some very old shots

Might be old shots but they are still great!

Dan

[Bjoern]

Now I know what the Red Flag comment was all about. These things *are* fun to fly at treetop height!

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/Strike%20Fighters/th_img00007-2.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/t3h_3vil/media/Strike%20Fighters/img00007-2.jpg.html)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/Strike%20Fighters/th_img00005-1.jpg (http://s120.photobucket.com/user/t3h_3vil/media/Strike%20Fighters/img00005-1.jpg.html)

Not much of a bomb truck though. I barely got off the ground with an adequate load for SEAD (2 clusters, 2 rocket pods, drop tank, 1 Magic and 1 ECM pod). And defense against two iraqi F-7s consisted of running away to an adquate separation, turning, firing off the single Magic (it didn't hit) and then running home for good.
(Battle damage was from a 12.7mm AA emplacement.)

[airattackimages]

Heck yeah we need a Jaguar. This project smells like a M2M one waiting to happen :)

[IanHenry]

Heck yeah we need a Jaguar. This project smells like a M2M one waiting to happen :)

Or Justflight, who knows, maybe after the Tornado? I once watched a Jaguar land at RAF Lossimouth (they'd put the catch netting up & and it was as I recall the "saint" display aircraft) and the pilot climbed out while the aircraft was just off the runway and kicked it!

Ian

[hschuit]

I was thinking the same as Ian, a Just Flight Jag from the excellent team behind the Canberra and Tornado would be brilliant. Still have happy memories from the visits to RAF Coltishall and later to RAF Coningsby after 6 Sqn relocated there. In 2007, the last Jags were sent to RAF Cosford and in preparation they practiced short field landings, pulling the dragchute while still airborne! This is XX835/EX, RAF Coningsby May 16th 2007:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i45/schuit/2015/RAF_Jaguar_XX835b.jpg (http://s69.photobucket.com/user/schuit/media/2015/RAF_Jaguar_XX835b.jpg.html)

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i45/schuit/2015/RAF_Jaguar_XX835a.jpg (http://s69.photobucket.com/user/schuit/media/2015/RAF_Jaguar_XX835a.jpg.html)

[dhazelgrove]

The Jaguar never did get the recognition it deserved.
Even the French ones were eclipsed by the Mirage F1.

Jaguar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar)

Dave

[AndyG43]

The Jaguar never did get the recognition it deserved.
Even the French ones were eclipsed by the Mirage F1.

Jaguar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar)

Dave

You can blame Dassault for that, of course. More profit for them in pushing their own designs rather splitting the proceeds with BAC; that is the main reason Jaguar Marine died, because Dassault could offer the Super Etendard at a much lower price than Jaguar M - Jaguar M may have been a more capable aircraft, and it had two engines (which the Aeronavale were very keen on), but they could buy more from Dassault.

Re. the VC thing. Would Piglet's Mitsubishi F-1/T-2 VC not be a good substitute, for the early Jags at least? It is a very similar aircraft and uses the same engines, so seems sensible to me, but I'm not accustomed to your black arts on the Dark Side.

[dhazelgrove]

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc234/dhazelgrove/Z1-9.jpg~original

Over Vegas, out of Nellis.

"Black Arts"? Us?

Dave

[DaveWG]

I did try it with the F1 VC, but I think Dino's F14 feels better. Just don't look at the wing sweep controls!:biggrin-new:

[Bjoern]

Re. the VC thing. Would Piglet's Mitsubishi F-1/T-2 VC not be a good substitute, for the early Jags at least? It is a very similar aircraft and uses the same engines, so seems sensible to me, but I'm not accustomed to your black arts on the Dark Side.

Yup, that would work. Good catch; totally forgot about the F-1/T-2!

[hschuit]

Alphasim nostalgia - big cats over East Anglia.

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2015/02/11/Alphasim_Jaguars.jpg (http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/image/RaK)

[DaveB]

Nice shot Henk:encouragement: I've always thought the 2-seater had a lovely profile;)

ATB
DaveB:)

[Dumonceau]

Can anyone point me to the UKMIL Jaguar without VC please?
More importantly, can anyone with Virtavia connections tell them that they should restart theirs?? :jump:

Johan

[dhasdell]

I found this (http://www.rikoooo.com/en/downloads/viewdownload/65/653) if it is any use.

[IanHenry]

Can anyone point me to the UKMIL Jaguar without VC please?
More importantly, can anyone with Virtavia connections tell them that they should restart theirs?? :jump:

Johan

Here you are:
http://www.ukmil.org.uk/download.php?list.118

The Buccaneer is also very nice and well worth getting.


Ian

[Bjoern]

As is the Tornado.

Heck, all models are worth the download!

[Dumonceau]

Thanks guys! Sadly the UKMIL native jag is only for members...

Take care,

Johan

[DaveWG]

Doesn't cost anything to register at the UKMil site. You still get access to most downloads, including the Jaguar, Tornado & Bucc. Club membership does cost (£9.99) and gets you access to members only files.

[d0mokun]

Can anyone point me to the UKMIL Jaguar without VC please?
More importantly, can anyone with Virtavia connections tell them that they should restart theirs?? :jump:

Johan

I've tried.. You'll need to ask Santa! Not much hope otherwise.

[airattackimages]

Good call on Just Flight... I forgot they were the ones doing the stunning Tornado project

[centuryseries]

I've tried.. You'll need to ask Santa! Not much hope otherwise.

Now theres a blast from the past, how's it going Dan?

David.

[MikeH]

Thanks for raising the profile of the Jaguar Dave.
I've long thought that we need an FSX Jag and a couple of people responding to this thread have suggested that Just-Flight are the people to deliver it. I entirely agree with them. Their Canberra is awesome and their Tornado looks as if it's going to be just as good, judging by the breathtaking progress shots they've shown us. A Jaguar would be the icing on the cake for me.

Mike

[delta_lima]

Anyone have the idea viewpoint coords dialed for the Piglet T-2 VC? I'm going to port in that VC into this bird tonight ...

thanks,

dl

[Bjoern]

Take the coordinates from the T-2's aircraft.cfg?

[delta_lima]

I find I always have to adjust the donor VC point some to correspond/not conflict with the recipient model.

I can do it - just figured most (except for Dave, who went with the F-14) had done the T2, and would have already made the adjustments. Need a break from 50s scenery research that has proven a bit fruitless ... :banghead:

I'll post mine tonight, if no one else does beforehand.

cheers,

dl

[Ian Warren]

I was thinking the same as Ian, a Just Flight Jag from the excellent team behind the Canberra and Tornado would be brilliant. Still have happy memories from the visits to RAF Coltishall and later to RAF Coningsby after 6 Sqn relocated there. In 2007, the last Jags were sent to RAF Cosford and in preparation they practiced short field landings, pulling the dragchute while still airborne! This is XX835/EX, RAF Coningsby May 16th 2007:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i45/schuit/2015/RAF_Jaguar_XX835b.jpg (http://s69.photobucket.com/user/schuit/media/2015/RAF_Jaguar_XX835b.jpg.html)

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i45/schuit/2015/RAF_Jaguar_XX835a.jpg (http://s69.photobucket.com/user/schuit/media/2015/RAF_Jaguar_XX835a.jpg.html)
Normally I delete the photos/screens but this is page 2 AND I love these photos :adoration:

[delta_lima]

I am stumped here.

Ported the T-2 VC over, and I get a big black polygon along the front nose of the a/c, like a giant glareshield. Anyone else get this? I'm thinking that VC conflicts with the main .mdl, in that a polygon protrudes beyond the surface of the Jag's nose.

As promised though, the viewpoint I used came up with was as follows:

[Views]
eyepoint=17.5, 0.00, 1.6

There are a few funky polygons on the fuel tanks, and around the gunports - but all in all, if the T-2 VC could be put in (and it's a nice VC, btw) it'd be a very enjoyable model.

Any ideas are much appreciated.

dl

[falcon409]

I am stumped here.

Ported the T-2 VC over, and I get a big black polygon along the front nose of the a/c, like a giant glareshield. Anyone else get this? I'm thinking that VC conflicts with the main .mdl, in that a polygon protrudes beyond the surface of the Jag's nose.

As promised though, the viewpoint I used came up with was as follows:

[Views]
eyepoint=17.5, 0.00, 1.6

There are a few funky polygons on the fuel tanks, and around the gunports - but all in all, if the T-2 VC could be put in (and it's a nice VC, btw) it'd be a very enjoyable model.

Any ideas are much appreciated.

dl
That black poly sounds very much like it's possibly the placeholder for the panel. I've run into it before and was told that short of re-coding the mdl file there's little that can be done to remove it. I'm another that always thought the Jag was a nice looking aircraft. . .it was the Alphasim versions I flew last and really enjoyed them.

[DaveB]

Just dug the UKMIL Jag out and remembered why it's only been flown a couple of times. The model doesn't look too bad but it's still very much a beta..
http://daveb.cbfsim.org/public/ukmiljag.jpg

ATB
DaveB:)

[delta_lima]

Thanks for popping in here Dave, and a great shot, btw!

Funny, your shot shows no vertical ridge line along the longitudinal axis of the tanks - wonder if its my pc, or the 2-seater doesn't have it. I only played with the GR1/3, so maybe that's it.

Now Falcon, are you saying I should have kept the original 2D panel bmps? I find the whole VC migration thing a bit confusing - I'm probably doing it wrong.

Also find the AB/reheat is always on when the lights are selected - I'm guessing the event toggling is buggered by changing over the VC gauges ... :pop4:

So close ... yet so far ...

dl

[dhazelgrove]

The Alphasim Jags do port reasonably well, as does a certain Mirage F1 - but, as they say:

"Close, but no cylindrical smoking thing....."

A TacPack'd Mirage F1 wouldn't be a bad thing, either.

Dave