Avro Lincoln

[noddy]

I am not sure if this has been mentioned but the Virtavia's Lincoln is now available at the flightsimstore.

[DaveB]

Ooo.. cheers Noddy:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Roger]

Thanks for the hu Noddy! I'll be on this tonight:ernaehrung004:. Wonder if we might see a "Bear" to add to the Cold War??

[dhazelgrove]

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/29/mQiFC.jpg

Dave

[arrowmaker]

Will definitely have to check this out. There's a Lincoln at my local airbase (Cosford). I remember the first time I ever stood underneath the open bomb bay and thinking how large it was.

[Bomber_12th]

One of the coolest Lincoln photos:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/Lincoln_zps91253467.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/Lincoln_zps91253467.jpg.html)

[imn2sims]

At first glance I'm thinkin'....cool low pass.....then I see what appears to be 3 props feathered!!!! What the........!!!

Steve

[Bomber_12th]

They did the same thing with the Lancaster as well, for publicity to show the power/control of these aircraft, even with just one engine.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Bomber_12th001/imageb_zps349d7a68.jpg~original (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Bomber_12th/media/Bomber_12th001/imageb_zps349d7a68.jpg.html)

[Roger]

Some screenshots:

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/29/mG4t.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/29/5vX3w.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/29/qfp16.jpg

http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2014/10/29/Od1x.jpg

[wombat666]

Curious collection, they list the MR.31 as operated by the RAAF (coincidentally as flown by my Father) but it appears to be the original airframe, not definitive 'long nose', so this is one I'll pass for now.
Shame really.

[bruce448]

Curious collection, they list the MR.31 as operated by the RAAF (coincidentally as flown by my Father) but it appears to be the original airframe, not definitive 'long nose', so this is one I'll pass for now.
Shame really.


Looking at the pictures on their webpage the MR.31 version has a long nose

http://www.virtavia.com/gallery_Lincoln.html#

[noddy]

http://imageshack.com/a/img743/7445/rTkApr.jpghttp://imageshack.com/a/img674/5516/ftB0f7.jpg

[JensOle]

Looks like a well made replication of the Lincoln, great to see that many models and textures as part of the package. Quite interesting the way the Brits used the Lincoln for counter insurgency warfare in Africa and the far east...

[wombat666]

Looks like a well made replication of the Lincoln, great to see that many models and textures as part of the package. Quite interesting the way the Brits used the Lincoln for counter insurgency warfare in Africa and the far east...

The correct long nosed MR31 is indeed included Jens, it wasn't on the retailers page.
Thanks for the HU.
Now I will have to purchase it.
:encouragement:
Both the RAF and the RAAF carpet bombed areas of jungle during the so called 'Malayan Emergency' resulting (in my Father's words) the creation of tons of 'toothpicks' and a number of dead Elephants, the RAF operated in a similar fashion in Kenya during the the Mau Mau Uprising with similar results, although they claimed some 500+ Mau Mau killed.
The long nose version was not very popular with aircrew, Dad was very pleased to transit onto Neptunes, as visibility 'over the nose' of the MR.31 was little or none!
Australian built Lincolns were aluminum doped overall, resulting in a uniform 'silver' finish.

[CavOk]

anyone tried it in Prepar3d I've asked Virtavia but they haven't tested it in anything other than FSX?

[fsafranek]

anyone tried it in Prepar3d I've asked Virtavia but they haven't tested it in anything other than FSX?
I flew it during testing in P3D v1.4 and it worked fine. Don't have v2 so can't vouch for that but expect it to work there as well.
:ernaehrung004:

[JensOle]

I just got it and I really like it :-) All over good detail level and a nice selection of models (Only miss a big belly radar model with the top turret..). Thanks to Virtavia (I was about to say alphasim..) for bringing this lost bomber into FSX.

Tempted to make a repaint for one of the Lincoln which flew with the "Radar Recce Flight" in the early 50s on missions towards Soviet. It must have been rather scary to fly the slow Lincoln and knowing you were facing Mig-15's...

[fsafranek]

Based on the photos above you might make it back home on only one engine. As long as those Mig cannons didn't blow a whole wing off. As wide as these wings were you might still make it home. And of course there were friendly ports along the way.
:ernaehrung004:

[JensOle]

Lincoln B.II SX991 of the Radar Recce Flight, 1951. This aircraft conducted several very sensitive flights in the early 50's around the borders of Soviet and Warsaw pack countries to take radar pictures of scenery features for attack planning for the V-Force.

Compared to the virtavia paintkit many stencils and other decals have been added.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot207.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot201.jpg~original

[JensOle]

Based on the photos above you might make it back home on only one engine. As long as those Mig cannons didn't blow a whole wing off. As wide as these wings were you might still make it home. And of course there were friendly ports along the way.


That is the problem with the Mig-15... the 37mm cannon had a nasty habit of blowing bombers out of the sky.. Actually one Lincoln was sadly shot down by Soviet Migs when flying into Berlin even if it was in one of the flight corridors. The story has it that one of the Migs even strafed the 2 RAF aircrews which managed to bail out and killed them.

[JensOle]

Updated RF555

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot209.jpg~original

[Ferry_vO]

Here's a good story from a Lincoln pilot that served with the RAAF and who flew the long-nosed Lincoln: http://www.radschool.org.au/magazines/Vol40/Page7.htm

[fsafranek]

I like your updates Jens-Ole. It's all in the details.
:ernaehrung004:

[Paul K]

Could Virtavia please have a look at the H2S radome on model Virtavia Lincoln 2 ( the RF555 aircraft ). Compared to the radomes on the other models, it is very crude and low poly - maybe it got overlooked as the models were refined. It is particularly noticeable when viewed from head on. The other models' radomes are fine.

Also, can Virtavia please look at the pitch trim wheel in the VC - it rotates in the wrong direction when applying nose-up or nose-down trim.

Thank you.

[mal998]

Paul K,
Please open a support ticket so Phil can be made aware of your concerns.

mal

[JensOle]

Yes indeed, the late H2S radome shape is also not correct, it should have a twin saddle shape. I'll see if I cans end them over to Phil tomorrow.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=230918&d=1407619978

http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acimages/avro_694lincoln_stevewilliams.jpg

http://www.airteamimages.com/pics/97/97995_big.jpg

http://www.zap16.com/zapp/wp-content/gallery/cosford-raf-museum-2010/imgp4779-avro-694-lincoln-b2-rf398-raf.jpg

http://aircraftwalkaround.hobbyvista.com/lincoln/lincoln_08.jpg

http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=230917&d=1407619947

[Paul K]

Paul K,
Please open a support ticket so Phil can be made aware of your concerns.

mal

How do I go about that ? Using the email address - tech.support -at- virtavia.com ?

[noddy]

Lovely work on the paints Jens.

[Paul K]

I contacted support at Virtavia. It seems no further work is going to be done on the Lincoln, so the low-poly radome and trim wheel issues will remain. Rather a shame, because it's a good model of an unsung aircraft.

Okay, that's me out of here once more.

[JensOle]

Yeah, I got the same reply. But it is still a great package and I find it very fun to take for cross country flights around the old bomber bases in the UK.

Next out is RA722 which spent her last years with the Central Signals Establishment at RAF Watton for ECM/Elint work. Good pictures of her at both Biggin Hill and RAF Gutersloh in 1960. Non standard black engine nacelles and green anti glare panel.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot215.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot228.jpg~original

[Paul K]

Jens, I'll take that repaint please. I lived at RAF Watton as a boy, and for a long time two Lincolns lay dumped at the eastern end of the airfield. By sneaking under the fence we could go and play in them. It's quite possible that RA722 was one of those aircraft.

EDIT: Have you uploaded it anywhere ?

[JensOle]

Interesting! A shame they did not think more about aircraft preservation in the 40's, 50's and 60's. Many aircraft types have been lost forever.

The file is not yet uploaded, but I have attached a copy here for you and others to try.


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[rgatkinson]

I contacted support at Virtavia. It seems no further work is going to be done on the Lincoln, so the low-poly radome and trim wheel issues will remain. Rather a shame, because it's a good model of an unsung aircraft.

Okay, that's me out of here once more.

What a pity, I can only hope that Virtavia may reconsider an update at some point in the future like they did for their B-29. It seems a shame that one of the models is marred with a sub-standard radome when, as you say, the radome on other models seems ok. I know little about modelling but I would assume that the good radome model 'object' could cut and pasted to replace the sub-standard one. The financial/labour/personal constraints of supporting and updating a model after release must be daunting but I would hope a balance could be achieved. E.g. allow 3 months for customer feedback i.e. bug reports, decide what is achievable for the least amount of cost and time and provide an update. After that, sorry but no can do.

Of course, if you don't want to support, i.e. update, your product after release invest a bit more time and effort on beta testing. However, this incurs delays that hit on hoped for revenue. Catch 22 I suppose. Oh the joys of being a developer, who in their right mind would do it?

A big heartfelt "Thank You" to all those that do.

Taff

[tommieboy]

I contacted support at Virtavia. It seems no further work is going to be done on the Lincoln, so the low-poly radome and trim wheel issues will remain. Rather a shame, because it's a good model of an unsung aircraft.....

I am just wondering if it is the overall poly count (the poly count of the entire aircraft) that is the issue? If not.....well......

Tommy

[Paul K]

Interesting! A shame they did not think more about aircraft preservation in the 40's, 50's and 60's. Many aircraft types have been lost forever.

The file is not yet uploaded, but I have attached a copy here for you and others to try.


15055

Thank you Jens, very much appreciated.

[JensOle]

I think the issue is more that the Lincoln seems to have a narrow customer base (even if the type has a very interesting history and the model itself is great) and that current sales don't justify more work on her. I understand that making these lesser known aircraft are a fine balance of input in resources and time and what they get back, and I think we as customers just have to live with that if we want to see these models. A bit sad as it is very close to the perfect Avro Lincoln representation. We can hope, but I'll not hold my breath.

For me the radar radome issue is not so much about being low poly, I can live with that, but that it has the wrong shape. As far as my research goes it looks like all of the big radome Lincoln had the saddle type radome and not the shape which is on the current model. I might we wrong of course. I believe Virtavia used the warpaint drawings and they have the wrong shape of the radome.

As an end note, I'm very happy that Virtavia continue with the tradition to bring forward some of the forgotten aircraft of the cold war, hopefully more people find these aircraft interesting as well.

[tommieboy]

.....As an end note, I'm very happy that Virtavia continue with the tradition to bring forward some of the forgotten aircraft of the cold war, hopefully more people find these aircraft interesting as well.

Yes, that is why AlphaSim / Virtavia has always been my number one stop over the years. Probably makes up 90% of the aircraft that I have purchased over the years.

Tommy

[wombat666]

As an end note, I'm very happy that Virtavia continue with the tradition to bring forward some of the forgotten aircraft of the cold war, hopefully more people find these aircraft interesting as well.
I certainly agree with the subject, and also with the fact that this is an aircraft that is worth producing, however, for just a little extra effort it would have been excellent instead of average.
Despite my connection to the MR31 I'm not buying 'average', never have and never will.
:mauritius: :southafrica: :australia:

[JensOle]

Wombat, there are nothing wrong with the RAAF models! The MR.31 has no problems. We have been talking about the RAF B.II model with the big radome. All of the models with the original radome are ok.

[JensOle]

SX988 of No 7 Sqn, 1953

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot250.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot235.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot243.jpg~original

[DaveB]

Nice Jens:encouragement: Are you going to upload this one (and the one before your last) too??

ATB
DaveB:)

[BendyFlyer]

Wombat not sure if you have succumbed to the Lincoln, I did as it completes my 10 Squadron aircraft. Here are a couple of screen shots of the RAAF ones:

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r684/BendyFlyer/tn_2014-10-29_21-20-13-627_zps64486fca.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/BendyFlyer/media/tn_2014-10-29_21-20-13-627_zps64486fca.jpg.html)

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r684/BendyFlyer/tn_2014-10-29_21-25-56-808_zps946c961a.jpg (http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/BendyFlyer/media/tn_2014-10-29_21-25-56-808_zps946c961a.jpg.html)

[JensOle]

Beta of the Lincoln texture pack;

-SX991, Radar Reconnaissance Flight, RAF Benson, 1951

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot255.jpg~original

-SX988, No 7 Sqn., RAF Watton, 1952

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot253.jpg~original

-RF555, No 61 Sqn., RAF Eastleigh, Kenya, 1954 (redone stock textures)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot256.jpg~original

-RA722, Central Signals Establishment, RAF Watton, 1960

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot254.jpg~original

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[DaveB]

Cheers Jens:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Paul K]

Excellent ! Thanks very much, Jens.

[mal998]

Thanks Jens, for the excellent paints.

And thanks to all of you who support Virtavia even when we fall a wee bit short on the details.

If not for you, we never would have been able to hang around this long.

[JD_LincsUK]

Really appreciate the great repaints, Jens - thanks! :applause:

[JensOle]

Thanks for the kind words :-)
I very much want to hear what you guys think about the paints, any details I should add or decals which needs to be redone?
The Lincoln is a bit of a difficult subject to research as there are very few period detail pictures or colour pictures to show colours on details like the spinner etc.

[Paul K]

Thanks Jens, for the excellent paints.

And thanks to all of you who support Virtavia even when we fall a wee bit short on the details.

If not for you, we never would have been able to hang around this long.

The aforementioned radome and trim-wheel issues notwithstanding, this Lincoln is a good model and deserves to be a success. I have no regrets in buying it, and thank you for bringing us the often overlooked and 'unsexy' aircraft. I'd pay for a number of the unusual Virtavia models before yet another F-16, so keep up the good work.

[JensOle]

Something special from down south in the Atlantic..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Scrshot261.jpg~original

[fsafranek]

Something special from down south in the Atlantic..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Scrshot261.jpg~original

Excellent. I was going to say, "What about Argentina guys?"
:ernaehrung004:

[Paul K]

Here's one I posted in the Orbx site. Jens, thanks again for the repaints.

http://i.imgur.com/dSoA88e.jpg

[JensOle]

That was a jolly nice screenshot!

I'm making KM-C of No 44 (Rhodesia) sqn right now in the white/black "Tiger Force" scheme it had in 45-46. Do any of you have any information about which colour the stencils would have had on this scheme? It was yellow on the later schemes, but I don't have any pictures showing it on the Tiger Force scheme. Since yellow is difficult to see on white, I'm thinking maybe it was in red. Or they had no stencils at all... Any thoughts?

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/NZ-Lincoln/Lincoln_RF388_27th_February_1946_ex_75_NZ_Sqn_pass ed_on_to_47_Rhodesia_Sqn?full=1

[JensOle]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot265.jpg~original

[Paul K]

That was a jolly nice screenshot!

I'm making KM-C of No 44 (Rhodesia) sqn right now in the white/black "Tiger Force" scheme it had in 45-46. Do any of you have any information about which colour the stencils would have had on this scheme? It was yellow on the later schemes, but I don't have any pictures showing it on the Tiger Force scheme. Since yellow is difficult to see on white, I'm thinking maybe it was in red. Or they had no stencils at all... Any thoughts?

http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/NZ-Lincoln/Lincoln_RF388_27th_February_1946_ex_75_NZ_Sqn_pass ed_on_to_47_Rhodesia_Sqn?full=1

Replied at CBFS, Jens. In the meantime, I'll keep a lookout.

[JensOle]

Hi,

I just saw it. I also thought about checking similar decals on the Lancaster, but I cannot see any similar stencils and warning decals at all on the wartime Lancasters except for the fuselage and wing jacking points/trestle lines. Even if there are more Tiger force pictures of the Lancaster than the Lincoln there are few up close, but I think it is very plausible that it followed the same pattern as on the camouflaged scheme, No decals. It might have something to do that it was wartime and they did not see the value with painting such decals on an airframe which would have a short life and that warning stencils were something more related with peacetime health and safety considerations.. Therefor applied to the later black and grey Lincoln scheme.

[JensOle]

Thanks for telling about the Lancaster sounds, they are great!


KM-C is getting ready. I have removed the stencils as it looks like they were not painted on the Tiger scheme and the exhaust stains have been modified. I have also made all new RAF C1 roundel and tail flash



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot278.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot266.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot275.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/British/Scrshot284.jpg~original

[DaveB]

The Lincoln's schemes were really wild compared to what had gone before! Thanks for dragging up as many as you can find Jens.. it sure adds to the package:encouragement:

ATB
DaveB:)

[JensOle]

The Lincoln repaint pack has finaly been uploaded. Should be available both here and flightsim.com

Final lineup:
-RF386, No 57 Sqn. Tiger Force, RAF East Kirkby, 1945 (redone stock textures)
-RF388, No 44 (Rhodesia) Sqn, RAF Mildenhall, 1946
-SX991, Radar Reconnaissance Flight, RAF Benson, 1951
-SX988, No 7 Sqn., RAF Watton, 1952 (redone stock textures)
-RF555, No 61 Sqn., RAF Eastleigh, Kenya, 1954
-RA722, Central Signal Establishment, RAF Watton, 1960

[DaveB]

Cheers Jens:very_drunk:

ATB
DaveB:)

[Roger]

yes many thanks Jens:ernaehrung004:

[ian elliot]

Something special from down south in the Atlantic..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Scrshot261.jpg~original
Did this paint ever get released, just purchased the Lincoln and installed all your other fine repaints, but wonder'd what happen'd to this one :wavey: