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Ferry_vO
April 19th, 2014, 03:14
Hamilton on a roll in a wet qualifying session today..


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Pos
No
Driver
Team
Q1
Q2
Q3
Laps


1
44
Lewis Hamilton (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/828.html)
Mercedes (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/2996.html)
1:55.516
1:54.029
1:53.860
21


2
3
Daniel Ricciardo (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/857.html)
Red Bull Racing-Renault (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/2995.html)
1:56.641
1:55.302
1:54.455
23


3
1
Sebastian Vettel (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/822.html)
Red Bull Racing-Renault (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/2995.html)
1:55.926
1:54.499
1:54.960
23


4
6
Nico Rosberg (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/809.html)
Mercedes (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/2996.html)
1:56.058
1:55.294
1:55.143
22


5
14
Fernando Alonso (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/30.html)
Ferrari (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/2997.html)
1:56.961
1:55.765
1:55.637
21


6
19
Felipe Massa (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/18.html)
Williams-Mercedes (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3003.html)
1:56.850
1:56.757
1:56.147
24


7
77
Valtteri Bottas (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/865.html)
Williams-Mercedes (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3003.html)
1:56.501
1:56.253
1:56.282
24


8
27
Nico Hulkenberg (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/840.html)
Force India-Mercedes (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3000.html)
1:55.913
1:56.847
1:56.366
23


9
25
Jean-Eric Vergne (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/870.html)
STR-Renault (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3002.html)
1:57.477
1:56.584
1:56.773
23


10
8
Romain Grosjean (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/838.html)
Lotus-Renault (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/2998.html)
1:58.411
1:56.407
1:57.079
22


11
7
Kimi Räikkönen (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/12.html)
Ferrari (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/2997.html)
1:58.279
1:56.860

17


12
22
Jenson Button (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/6.html)
McLaren-Mercedes (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/2999.html)
1:57.783
1:56.963

17


13
26
Daniil Kvyat (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/906.html)
STR-Renault (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3002.html)
1:57.261
1:57.289

18


14
99
Adrian Sutil (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/818.html)
Sauber-Ferrari (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3001.html)
1:58.138
1:57.393

17


15
20
Kevin Magnussen (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/899.html)
McLaren-Mercedes (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/2999.html)
1:57.369
1:57.675

17


16
11
Sergio Perez (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/867.html)
Force India-Mercedes (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3000.html)
1:58.362
1:58.264

17


17
21
Esteban Gutierrez (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/854.html)
Sauber-Ferrari (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3001.html)
1:58.988


10


18
10
Kamui Kobayashi (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/837.html)
Caterham-Renault (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3005.html)
1:59.260


10


19
17
Jules Bianchi (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/850.html)
Marussia-Ferrari (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3004.html)
1:59.326


10


20
9
Marcus Ericsson (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/862.html)
Caterham-Renault (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3005.html)
2:00.646


10


21
4
Max Chilton (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/887.html)
Marussia-Ferrari (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/3004.html)
2:00.865


10


DNQ
13
Pastor Maldonado (http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2014/869.html)
Lotus-Renault (http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2014/2998.html)
No time


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Q1 107% Time

2:03.602




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Note - Maldonado failed to make 107% requirement, so races at stewards' discretion. Drops 5 grid places as penalty for causing collision at previous round.
Panther_99FS
April 20th, 2014, 10:35
Well, I watched the race until 0400...flag to flag....:dizzy:
Great to see Daniel really sticking it to SeBRATien......:encouragement:

During the post race, the commentators stated that SeBRATien is great with huge amounts of downforce......

Looks like Vettel's going to have to learn mechanical grip to keep up with Daniel....

Great 1-2 with my two favorite drivers....:mixed-smiley-010:
Montie
April 21st, 2014, 04:32
Hopefully McLaren will bring something good to Barcelona in three weeks time.
EasyEd
April 21st, 2014, 11:34
Hey All,

Like Juan Pablo said in open wheel you just get in the best car and cruise to victory - no challenge - all the car. All we have here is a changing of the guard about who has the superior car.

Now how can you rule out Vettel not winning if they had actually run the whole race? Just sayin... :mixed-smiley-010:

-Ed-
Panther_99FS
April 21st, 2014, 15:42
Hey All,

Like Juan Pablo said in open wheel you just get in the best car and cruise to victory - no challenge - all the car. All we have here is a changing of the guard about who has the superior car.

Now how can you rule out Vettel not winning if they had actually run the whole race? Just sayin... :mixed-smiley-010:

-Ed-

So here you go....

1) The reason why the F1 Manufacturers cup pays MASSIVE amounts of money is precisely due to the fact that F1 is about the car. A perfect example of this is the Ferrari Tifosi - they care about Ferrari winning and not who is driving the car.

But...

2) It's not all about the car - a perfect example of this is Daniel Ricciardo beating the pants off of Sebastien Vettel this year in the same car....

NASCAR and Indycar follow a more cookie cutter/template approach to the car and thus manufacturer input carries less weight

And there, you go! :mixed-smiley-010:
EasyEd
April 21st, 2014, 16:50
Hey All,

So all that matters is teammate battling teammate when team orders have mostly settled that issue. Sorry not impressed. That said I saw the race a week or two ago in which the owner said - just don't wreck each other (bring the cars home) - that IS how it should be - every race every week.

In this day and age racing of all kinds really has no rational basis being totally about the car anymore - liability and risk say so. If the rest of the world isn't there yet they will be.

And add to that the whole - why am I spending this money and getting nowhere thing. I would really like to see a history of F1 field sizes to see if what I suspect is true. Is there an identifiable list of F1 racing teams who could still exist but have quit F1? I do not know.

NASCAR has the same issue but keep the field at 43. Also they cannot let one manufacturer totally dominate all others.

-Ed-
Panther_99FS
April 21st, 2014, 16:54
Sorry not impressed.

-Ed-

Interesting comment considering how large the F1 global fan base is. :mixed-smiley-010:
EasyEd
April 21st, 2014, 16:59
Hey All,

Do these fans actually really have a choice? Is there only one game in town?

-Ed-
Panther_99FS
April 21st, 2014, 17:18
Hey All,

Do these fans actually really have a choice? Is there only one game in town?

-Ed-

Plenty of choices....
There are the Australian Supercar series, FIA WEC series, IMSA, ....
EasyEd
April 21st, 2014, 17:23
Hey All,

Uh no For example I don't think there is an Australian supercar race in China. Real choice - track and teams.

-Ed-
Panther_99FS
April 21st, 2014, 17:45
If you're only talking China, then I have no idea what their choices are!
EasyEd
April 21st, 2014, 18:42
Hey All,

Nor do I - bout says it all - I think.

-Ed-
Panther_99FS
April 21st, 2014, 19:09
A thought from another forum...
If Vettel had moved aside when first instructed, would Ricciardo have been on the podium?

Looks like some potential manufacturers points were lost due to Vettel's arrogance....
EasyEd
April 21st, 2014, 19:17
Hey All,

You simply miss the point. It isn't (should not be) about manufacturer points. Really simple. F1 can do what it likes but I don't see it as any kind of Premier series - just who has the most money and can influence the rules to favor their cars. Why cheer for that?

-Ed-
Panther_99FS
April 21st, 2014, 19:20
Hey All,

You simply miss the point.

-Ed-

No...
You are missing the points as to what F1 is about....
EasyEd
April 21st, 2014, 19:34
Hey All,

No I'm not missing the point(s). I'm saying that idea of racing is over - F1 can live in the past as long as they want. it was over sooner in the USA. Nobody is going around talledega faster than Bill Elliot did - not because the cars aren't faster - they are but because of other reasons.

-Ed-
Panther_99FS
April 24th, 2014, 17:21
Mika Hakkinen weighs in...
-> http://msn.foxsports.com/speed/formula-1/f1-hakkinen-blasts-vettel-for-ignoring-orders/
EasyEd
April 24th, 2014, 19:59
Hey All,

Says it all for me. Ricciardo didn't beat Vettel so nobody can claim he is better when they can't race. A motorsport that is all about owners, orders and the car has zero credibility.

-Ed-
wombat666
May 1st, 2014, 02:32
Hey All,

Uh no For example I don't think there is an Australian supercar race in China. Real choice - track and teams.

-Ed-

The V8 Supercar Series have run in Shanghai (China), Pukekohoe (New Zealand), Austen (Texas), Yas Marina (Abu Dahabi) and Losail (Qatar) IIRC.
Unlike MASCAR ......... :173go1:
wombat666
May 1st, 2014, 02:33
Hey All,

Says it all for me. Ricciardo didn't beat Vettel so nobody can claim he is better when they can't race. A motorsport that is all about owners, orders and the car has zero credibility.

-Ed-

Ed, you've just described NASCAR! :biggrin-new: