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lemonadedrinker
March 5th, 2014, 01:44
Hi,
I have this scenery in FS9, from I think Timberwolf Aviation and Bill Odell years ago and it is very well done. However I am now trying to fly the Lodestar (:jump:) along these airports using the ADF frequencies given for each one. I am finding that the reference for the runways are about 40 degrees out; this makes things even more dodgy than usual for the landings :pop4: Especially in the dark. In fact I thought I read that there were no landings at night! I know why now.

What I have started to do is open at the airport I want to go to and line the airplane up with the runway then use that to use for the flight, but it's a bit longwinded and I wondered if there was a simpler way forward; I have d/loaded ADE, but the add-on airports of the DEW Line don't show up in that.

Andy.

srgalahad
March 5th, 2014, 07:02
I'd have to look back about two computers to find my install of the DEWLine scenery but...


I am finding that the reference for the runways are about 40 degrees out

it's a matter of geography. At the latitudes of most of those airports a magnetic compass is unuseable (in fact there is part of the airspace designated as the "Area of Compass Unreliability")
Conventional magnetic compasses sense magnetic direction by detecting the horizontal component of the earth's magnetic field. Since this horizontal component vanishes near the magnetic poles, magnetic compasses are highly unreliable and unusable in an area approximately 1,000 NM from each magnetic pole. Within these areas, air navigation tasks are further complicated by very rapid changes in magnetic variation over small distances. For example, when flying between the magnetic North Pole and the true North Pole, a heading of true North results in a magnetic heading of South (a magnetic variation of 180 degrees).
http://code7700.com/high_latitude.html#navigation (Go down the page to Navigation Issues)

Here are a few references on the subject:
http://www.albertaclassic.com/nav.php
http://geomag.nrcan.gc.ca/mag_fld/compass-eng.php The map will show you how extensive this is.
http://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/351/vor-orientation-near-magnetic-pole (Some discussion by pilots on the subject)

The Al Gay/Bear Baker scenery was for FS2002 and updated with dew_stns.zip by Curt Jardey (avbl at FlightSim). In the past couple of years Roger Wensley has put out a whole bunch of new sceneries (about 30) for many of the DEW sites. They are more modern and may lack some of the old station buildings, etc. but are crafted using SceneGenX and more accurate (probably don't have some of the frame-rate issues the old scenery was known to generate for some people). A Search for "DEW line" (the space is needed) on FlightSim will find these, as will a search for "Roger Wensley" (but that will also get you dozens of other scenery files he's done - although many are worth looking at...)

The general technique has to be a newly-learned process.
Since navigation in FS (as in the real world) is generally based on Magnetic headings things get difficult 'up there' where everything is done in Degrees TRUE. In the pre-war and DEWLine days it led to numerous accidents, esp. for novice northern pilots. Long-range polar flights normally had a) a navigator and b) some alternate form of navigation (celestial, DECCA, LORAN) that showed position in Lat.Long (In FS we have Shift-Z) and crews navigated by flying from one Lat/Long coordinate to the next. That equipment and skill-set will get you to the general area but is too cumbersome for approaches in many cases.

I doubt the problem of Magnetic Declination is modeled in FS but the Variation issues certainly are.

First thing - don't plan on flying a mag. heading to an airport or an NDB then a new mag. heading to line up on final. The now-common practices of direct-to and straight-in approaches didn't happen back then. One homed to a beacon (ignoring the mag. compass) then flew some home-made orientation procedure. Without a global nav installation (there are a couple for FS that do work but can be problematic), if using the ADF, fly to the beacon, then either a visual approach to the runway or an orientation approach - often a 'teardrop' pattern - using the beacon (only) to turn back toward the airport and hopefully align near the runway.

Bad weather? Historically many flights were cancelled or delayed due to low vis conditions or ended up piled into rocky outcrops when pilots tried to press onward... the accident stats are impressive/depressing.

Oh, the GPS is of questionable help as it also references Magnetic North so following the pink line is no easy answer. To make it worse, the FS9 world is not a globe, but a cylinder which is why you can get some crazy headings and angles trying to fly near the poles ("over" is impossible in FS9).

IF you are serious about wanting to fly the area using realistic nav. equipment and procedures then you will learn a whole set of new skills. Aviation charts will show which airports are laid out using *True. Problem is, many of the FS airports were not corrected for this, or not identified as using True headings for runway alignment. The old scenery is therefore potentially dubious, but still fun. :untroubled:

Equipment:
Nav. was done by the old methods: Celestial, map reading, time/distance and most of this can be replicated in FS9. There is a celestial nav 'gauge' available, and a "drift Meter" which can help staying on a straight course.
VORs, of course, weren't available in the high north for most of the DEWline era but standard equipment was TWO ADF radios (one tuned to the NDB at point of departure, the other to the destination NDB). There are a couple of dual ADF radios floating around (I use Mike Wagner's but can't find it uploaded anywhere, but the default DC-3 radios and RMI work just fine. The second ADF needs to be enabled in the aircraft.cfg file (no, you can't just add a second copy of an ADF1).

Oh.. make sure you have enough fuel to go to an alternate or back to pt. of departure :adoration:

Practice... and watch for a DEWline-themed competitive event possibly later in the year.

Rob

lemonadedrinker
March 5th, 2014, 07:32
Hi Rob,
Thanks very much for all that info. Almost the problems of the real World up there :dizzy:

Andy.

srgalahad
March 5th, 2014, 07:53
Well, it IS a simulation of the real world :very_drunk:

The additional radios and other bits are not to hard to put together and the nav skills are a good learning experience if you are willing to put in the time.

depending on timing it might be possible to arrange some online practice of the ADF work.

lemonadedrinker
March 5th, 2014, 11:58
Hi,

Exactly as you say !

5081

This little pic shows my track as 88 degrees and the runways there are 9/27 !

So I'm crossing about 30 degrees out. I haven't checked, but is it a sudden transition into this other World?

So much to learn,

Andy.

srgalahad
March 5th, 2014, 17:45
I haven't checked, but is it a sudden transition into this other World?

No; yes; maybe.. :wiggle:

No, because it varies in some small degree on a mile-by-mile basis as well as hourly, weekly and because it's not measured precisely on a short-term.
Yes, because it's portrayed as a line on a map and lines are lines, right?
Maybe, but then the 'boundary' changes.

Considering there are few airports with in the region and now are well-mapped and have alternate navigation methods available, it's not a 'big problem' except with inexperienced crews or offsite operations. However, in the DEWline times ( and as recently as the 80's) the whole area was a challenge. Add in the lack of weather reporting and forecasting and the whole DEWline operation from survey to construction to resupply was a pretty heroic task.
Even with GPS the position and track errors are magnified the closer you get to the MP (GPS is still trying to balance position with magnetic-based charting).
If you look at pages 32 & 33 of this .pdf you'll see a similar map and some info on the changes:
http://dnn.nata-yzf.ca/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=-kbhXXOfHU8%3D&tabid=65

Of course, FS9 doesn't incorporate WAAS GPS data and doesn't update the geometric data so you are going to be stuck with a 2003 world. On aeronautical charts the boundary is marked but more importantly each airport diagram in the area shows runways with True headings. I'm not sure, but I'll guess that in FS9 either that was forgotten or ignored so it's a bit of a struggle. To solve some of your planning problems, use the data in this document:
http://www.navcanada.ca/en/products-and-services/pages/aeronautical-information-products-canadian-airports-charts.aspx
Formerly a paid product, NavCanada now offers the Airports Charts online for free.