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Mathias
December 23rd, 2013, 12:23
It's ready for download, Ladies and Gentlemen!
Head over to http://www.classics-hangar.de/produkte_ta152h_en.htm and have a look around.

Barfly
December 23rd, 2013, 12:33
Downloading now... been waiting a long time for this one :)

Mathias
December 23rd, 2013, 13:10
Thanks much Barfly, I hope you enjoy it!

BTW, to those looking for the German tail thingy, there should be something available somewhere soon. .-)

hairyspin
December 23rd, 2013, 13:14
Yay! Merry Christmas to you and the team, Mathias! :jump:

Roger
December 23rd, 2013, 13:27
Excellent!

huub vink
December 23rd, 2013, 13:29
A release without screenshots can't be called a proper release, so.........

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_a1_zps2db925de.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_a1_zps2db925de.jpg.html)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/TA152H_a1_zpse1cd138a.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/TA152H_a1_zpse1cd138a.jpg.html)

Barfly
December 23rd, 2013, 13:47
Thanks Mathias, burned through a tank on the D11 in 20 minutes, beautiful plane, great flyer, great sounds. Looks great just sitting on the ramp too, lol. Very well done, and worth the wait!

Mathias
December 23rd, 2013, 13:54
Cheers Barfly, I'm glad and relieved that you like it.

BTW, for those who bother: The paintkit is not yet up, should be available sometime tomorrow.
I'm unfortunately on a very fossile DSL connection since I moved into my GF's house so it'll take a bit. :-)

JensOle
December 23rd, 2013, 14:06
Looking superb! Stunning work on the details, I'm really looking forward to fly it in FS. I'm currently away from my FS rig, but it will be something to look forward to in January!

I see that you have saved some of the "Platzschutzstaffel Doras of JV44 for us painters :-) Should make for some interesting paints for sure to make the Schwarm complete.

Mathias
December 23rd, 2013, 14:23
JensOle, one of the more challenging parts of this project was to keep Alessandro away from painting all available paint schemes in the world for these planes.
Guideline for him was one paint for each model so we don't have to deliver naked planes. Not easy for him. :biggrin-new:

jankees
December 23rd, 2013, 14:35
mmm, ordering is not going according to plan....maybe I try again tomorrow

Mathias
December 23rd, 2013, 14:39
Hey Jankees, it's allready been taken care of, check your E-mail. :-)

Barfly
December 23rd, 2013, 15:22
Lots of nice details here... very, very nice in cockpit and external shadowing in DX10. I like how the MW system pressure gauge works, the manifold pressure gauge operation is realistic, custom boost pump sounds, and the wire antennae from canopy to tail relaxes when you open the canopy! And the best FDE of any of your products so far. The Antons were not shabby in that regard as I recall. Logged 1.4 hrs so far; this thing is just fun to fly! Ok I'll stop now, :)

Sundog
December 23rd, 2013, 15:43
When I return from vacation in January this will be one of my first online stops. I'm definitely looking forward to flying these. They look great!

c87
December 23rd, 2013, 15:49
Cockpit looks amazing Mathias. Is that a worn wood effect I see there! Nice work.

Chunk
December 23rd, 2013, 17:44
As soon as I fire up the FS box tonight, this'll be the first order of business. Thanks Mathias!

skyhawka4m
December 23rd, 2013, 20:49
how long does approval take?

Mathias
December 23rd, 2013, 20:56
Thanks much, guys!

skyhawk, paintkit should be ready later today.

Mathias
December 23rd, 2013, 20:57
how long does approval take?

When I'm at the PC (about 16 hours a day) it takes a minute, other than that it takes as long as I'm sleeping at night. :-)

skyhawka4m
December 23rd, 2013, 21:27
LOL...ok got it...and downloaded. One more dumb question....where can we find the historically correct markings for the tail?

Mathias
December 23rd, 2013, 21:29
They are not yet up, skyhawk. I suppose later today........

skyhawka4m
December 23rd, 2013, 21:50
They are not yet up, skyhawk. I suppose later today........



Roger that...took the 152 up and love it......will do more in the morning when I wake up before going to work.

jankees
December 23rd, 2013, 22:44
mmmm, I'm not very succesful, FSX stops when I try to start any of these aircraft. Did I select the wrong textures (4096)? If so, how do I change back?

Mathias
December 23rd, 2013, 22:58
Jan,
Start - All Programs - Classics Hangar - Fw190D Ta 152 - Texture Resolution Tool

Please let me know how it goes.

jankees
December 23rd, 2013, 23:01
Will do, need to do the shopping for xmas first..
edit: back from the Rob, and trying a new install, I get this message:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/jcblom60003/ss9873.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/jcblom60003/ss9873.jpg.html)

could this be the problem? Installing again over the previous one still gives this message.
Oh, and I'm installing the english version

DaveQ
December 24th, 2013, 01:55
Great work Mathias. Getting it will be first order of business after Christmas. Meanwhile back to the festivities; mince pies to make and much other stuff....!

Happy Christmas everybody!!

DaveQ

huub vink
December 24th, 2013, 01:58
just a few appetisers.......

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/TA152H_a2_zps94fa974b.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/TA152H_a2_zps94fa974b.jpg.html)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/TA152H_a3_zpsc4142934.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/TA152H_a3_zpsc4142934.jpg.html)

Mathias
December 24th, 2013, 02:08
Will do, need to do the shopping for xmas first..
edit: back from the Rob, and trying a new install, I get this message:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/jcblom60003/ss9873.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/jcblom60003/ss9873.jpg.html)

could this be the problem? Installing again over the previous one still gives this message.
Oh, and I'm installing the english version

Jan, I'm shooting somewhat into the dark but chance is that the download is corrupted and you need to redownload the entire installer.
Check the filesize of the exe, should be 400.211.736 Bytes or 381MB.
Other than that, do a complete uninstall using the start menu shortcut.

jankees
December 24th, 2013, 02:51
downloaded again, this time a succesful install (no error messages), I start flight with another aircraft, when I choose the TA152...CTD.

I start FSX, select FW190-D...FSX stops working.
I see an interesting challenge developing here, back to xmas prepping for now...

Mathias
December 24th, 2013, 02:56
You got E-mail, Jan

BTW, for those interested in historical accuracy.
Just checked back with Alessandro and he told me he will provide some tail fin texture updates sometime today or tomorrow at http://www.italianwings.it/
depending on how his christmas family things are going.
Thanks to everyone and a merry Christmas!

Steven190
December 24th, 2013, 04:08
I was soooo excited that the release was here, I downloaded it last night. I was able to fly it a short time


ALL I can say Mathias is EXCEPTIONAL!!!!!

and the paintkit is coming and the tail markings, great

You can rest now and have a good Christmas


Thanks

huub vink
December 24th, 2013, 04:33
Winter 1944. The D-9 is my favourite....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_a2_zpsb4efe705.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_a2_zpsb4efe705.jpg.html)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_a3_zps19ba65c4.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_a3_zps19ba65c4.jpg.html)

jankees
December 24th, 2013, 05:48
OK, problems solved, thank you Mathias!

off we go with those enormous wings:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/ss9909.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/Belgie/ss9909.jpg.html)

36000 ft and climbing:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/ss9910.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/Belgie/ss9910.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/ss9903.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/Belgie/ss9903.jpg.html)

P38man
December 24th, 2013, 06:59
Thanks Mathias and team! Merry christmas to you all.

RKinkor
December 24th, 2013, 08:39
Absolutely wonderful add-on! Thank you very much for the wonderful Christmas present. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you Matthias and your team.

alx
December 24th, 2013, 23:39
Historical tail markings are available now at

http://www.italianwings.it

JensOle
December 25th, 2013, 01:03
Great! As for the paintkit, is it possible to include weathering, exhaust stains and a layered camo scheme? This will make for a very good start for us repainters! Thank you

Mathias
December 25th, 2013, 02:47
There is a hotfix available that fixes crash to desktop issues that some users experienced and also adresses certain issues found with the payload manager interface.
This hotfix is mandatory.
Also the Paint Kit is now available.

Click on "Start/All Programs/Classics Hangar/Fw190D - Ta152/ Search for Updates"

Steven190
December 25th, 2013, 04:43
Historical tail markings are available now at

http://www.italianwings.it


I do not see the new markings on the site.

alx
December 25th, 2013, 05:13
I do not see the new markings on the site.

Maybe a cache problem. Try to refresh the page.

Steven190
December 25th, 2013, 05:57
Maybe a cache problem. Try to refresh the page.

That worked thanks,

jankees
December 25th, 2013, 07:26
I love the sound of this baby as well, very loud and rough, as if it ran out of oil, wonderful

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss9978.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss9978.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss9974.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss9974.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss9972.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss9972.jpg.html)

huub vink
December 25th, 2013, 11:12
Great! As for the paintkit, is it possible to include weathering, exhaust stains and a layered camo scheme? This will make for a very good start for us repainters! Thank you

Jens-Ole,

I just had a quick look at the paintkit, but it contains several layers with basic weathering.

Cheers,
Huub

jankees
December 26th, 2013, 00:16
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10007.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10007.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10009.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10009.jpg.html)

alx
December 26th, 2013, 01:16
Two new liveries for 190D-9 will be posted at Italian Wings this weekend

http://www.italianwings.it/shots/D9-1.jpg

http://www.italianwings.it/shots/D9-2.jpg

http://www.italianwings.it/shots/D9-3.jpg

http://www.italianwings.it/shots/D9-4.jpg

thunder100
December 26th, 2013, 09:46
In use of recent honorable opponents

maybe "Bodenplatte"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/c/839/pv8z.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/nbpv8zj)

Heading West

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/c/716/cuqj.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/jwcuqjj)

Roland

Stickshaker
December 26th, 2013, 12:05
Hello Mathias,<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
It really is a beautiful plane, and one of my favourites. Thank you so much for all your work! I have one question. Since there does not seem to be a rudder trim (am I correct? I only flew the D-9 so far) and the brakes are very weak, I have great difficulty controlling the aircraft during take-off. I have to be more careful with the throttle than in an Me-262 until I can lift the tail and the rudder is in the airstream. Were the brakes really that weak?

JensOle
December 26th, 2013, 12:14
Two new liveries for 190D-9 will be posted at Italian Wings this weekend







http://www.italianwings.it/shots/D9-4.jpg


Work of art! Thank you! I particular like "White 11", really shows how modular (or Frankenstein) the Dora was with Anton fuselage, prefabricated and painted engine compartment and maybe a random wing set.. Really strange that this bastard looks so good!

Mathias
December 26th, 2013, 12:38
Hello Mathias,<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
It really is a beautiful plane, and one of my favourites. Thank you so much for all your work! I have one question. Since there does not seem to be a rudder trim (am I correct? I only flew the D-9 so far) and the brakes are very weak, I have great difficulty controlling the aircraft during take-off. I have to be more careful with the throttle than in an Me-262 until I can lift the tail and the rudder is in the airstream. Were the brakes really that weak?

Hey stickshaker,

don't go higher than 3000rpm initially until you gain rudder authority at about 120 kph and use differential brakes.
Again, go higher than 3000 rpm and you'll get kicked off the runway.

huub vink
December 27th, 2013, 08:36
Before we all start to do the same repiants...... I started on this one.

As you can see still a very long way to go.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_a4_zpsd5ba9557.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_a4_zpsd5ba9557.jpg.html)

JIMJAM
December 27th, 2013, 15:37
Returning satisfied customer but wondering when Simmarket gets it. Being able to go to them and easily download any purchases I ever made makes reinstall painless and worth the extra $$.
Looks like a real beast to handle and I cannot wait to fight it.:adoration:

Mathias
December 27th, 2013, 19:53
Early in the new year, JIMJAM, but if permanent access is your decision factor you can as well order in the Classics Hangar Shop because our downloads do not expire.
If you ever reach the 10 downloads limits just howl and we reset the counter.

Stickshaker
December 28th, 2013, 02:55
Hello Mathias,
Indeed, I can throttle up more than I thought initially. 3000 rpm is still a but much for me but i'll get there. She is a joy to fly!

JIMJAM
December 28th, 2013, 06:46
Thanks Mathias for the helping me out getting logged back in so I could buy this wonderful aircraft.Do you ever sleep?It was what,after 1 am here in SC east coast:dizzy: Got in a few quick flights and its a smooooooth flyer.Climbs like a b.o.o.h. also.

huub vink
December 29th, 2013, 11:53
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_a5_zpsa81b1e0c.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_a5_zpsa81b1e0c.jpg.html)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_a6_zps1026c5f8.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_a6_zps1026c5f8.jpg.html)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_a7_zps437729c1.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_a7_zps437729c1.jpg.html)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_a8_zps1704b478.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_a8_zps1704b478.jpg.html)

Still a long way from finished, but just to give you an idea of progress.

Mathias
December 29th, 2013, 13:07
Were is the like button when you need it? :biggrin-new:

jankees
December 30th, 2013, 04:00
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/black12-03.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/black12-03.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/black12-05.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/black12-05.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/black12-01.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/black12-01.jpg.html)

huub vink
December 30th, 2013, 05:01
A nice one Jan Kees.

I'm afraid I ran into some serious problems. My humble PCis not able to handle the layered 4096 x 4096 textures, so I tried to convert them into 2048 x 2048. However no luck as this it exceed the capability from my PC as well.

Now I have reduced the canvas size layer-by-layer.......

So I'm afraid my repaint will only be available in 2048 x 2048 resolution, once finished.

Cheers,
Huub

jankees
December 30th, 2013, 05:04
aww, bummer!

huub vink
December 30th, 2013, 05:09
BTW when you need inspiration, there is a nice example on page 79 from the book you gave me for Christmas.... :biggrin-new: :biggrin-new: :biggrin-new:

Cheers,
Huub

Skyhawk_310R
December 30th, 2013, 09:58
Hey stickshaker,

don't go higher than 3000rpm initially until you gain rudder authority at about 120 kph and use differential brakes.
Again, go higher than 3000 rpm and you'll get kicked off the runway.

That is a common theme with high performance aircraft, especially tail draggers. If you recall the many stories of old head Corsair pilots getting together outside to watch the newbie conduct his first taxi in a Corsair. They are all prepared for some hearty laughter expecting that the uninitiated Ensign will cob power to start taxi and end up spinning the Corsair! That's how much torque and p-effect those aircraft could and did produce! Having it sitting on the tail wheel just exacerbated the p-effect and the torque never relented.

The trick is to takeoff at below the critical power until you exceed the airspeed required to get sufficient airflow over the rudder so the rudder can counter any further increase in p-effect. This is also further assisted by the fact that when the tail comes off the ground, there is a sudden reduction in p-effect. You also have to anticipate that an apply a little less rudder pressure to coincide with the reduction of p-effect.

This is why flying a tail dragger has a bit more demand to it. So, what Mathias is describing is very, very realistic, and further reflects the accuracy of his virtual aircraft!

Ken

Stickshaker
December 31st, 2013, 00:48
Skyhawk, that is a nice explanation of the theory, the essence of which I knew, but I find it harder to keep the Dora in check than, for example, the A2A P-51, even with reduced power. I read in Eric Brown's book that German planes often had weak brakes, so it indeed seems realistic.<o:p></o:p>
There is something else that struck me. Even at speeds of more than 400 km/h, when I put the nose in an attitude that I think would point the guns at a target straight ahead (judging by the position of the gunsight relative to the horizon), I always find myself losing altitude (judging by the VSI). I know that the Dora and Ta were meant to operate at high speeds, but I cannot remember that I had this issue with any other WWII fighter. Is this realistic?

jankees
December 31st, 2013, 00:53
very first attempt at a Papagai Staffel repaint, but as you can see, we still have a lot to do.....

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10037.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10037.jpg.html)

Sascha66
December 31st, 2013, 02:25
A release without screenshots can't be called a proper release, so.........

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_a1_zps2db925de.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_a1_zps2db925de.jpg.html)



Huub, what squadron used this paint? Never seen this before! Is it a training scheme?

Happy New Year to all at the Outhouse!

Sascha

Mathias
December 31st, 2013, 02:36
Sascha, this is the fairly well documented D-11 of Platzschutzstaffel JV44 with the notto "Der nächste Herr, dieselbe Dame" on the left side.
It comes stock with the package.

http://www.classics-hangar.de/images/ta152h/fw190d-11_03.jpg

Mathias
December 31st, 2013, 02:41
very first attempt at a Papagai Staffel repaint, but as you can see, we still have a lot to do.....



....and in the meantime you released three paints without telling us?????

Niiiiice!
:jump:
:wiggle:

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4368-classics-hangar-fw190d-9-jg-301/

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4366-classics-hangar-fw190d-9-jg-54-black-12/

http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/4367-classics-hangar-fw190d-9-jg-54-yellow-4/

huub vink
December 31st, 2013, 03:16
These Dora's were part from Galland's Zirkus". Jagdverband 44 flew the Messerschmitt Me262, which was very vulnerable during landing and take off. Therefore these Doras provided top cover. This unit was officially called "Platszschutzstaffel" (Field protection flight) had many (nick) names but is currently best known under the name Papageienstaffel (parrot flight). The under surfaces of the Doras were painted in red and white to make them easy recognisable for the ground troops and had slogans on the port side of the aircraft.

The unit consisted out of 4 pilots; Lt.Karl Heinz Hofmann, Lt. Heinz Sachenberg, Hptm. Waldemar Wüpke and Oblt. Klaus Faber. (Perhaps a fifth pilot was involved Fw. Bodo Dirschauer).

Red 13, Faber's lucky number, was wearing the slogan "Rein muß er und wenn wir beide weinen" (In he goes even though both of us will cry).

Red 3 flown by Wübke had "Im auftrage der Reischbahn" (By order of the state railway) as he also had on his Messerschmitt Bf109E during the Battle of Britain.

Sachsenberg, who flew red 1 had "Verkaaft's mei Gwand 'I foahr im Himmel" (sell my clothes I'm going to heaven in Bavarian dialect) painted on his aircraft.

It is not known who was the regular pilot from red 4 but the slogan "Der nächste Herr, die selbe Dame!" (The next man, the same woman) might be an indication that this aircraft was used by more than one pilot.

There might have been a fifth aircraft wearing the slogan "Rein mit Sack und Flöte" (Bang in with bag and whistle), but there no pictures to prove this.

Normally they flew as a single staffel (4 aircraft) but sometimes they provided cover with 2 staffel (8 aircraft).

The repaint in my screenshot is made by Alessandro Biaggi and part of the original package.

Cheers,
Huub

edit: Too late, but I hope my answer provides you a bit more background information

jankees
December 31st, 2013, 15:01
ouch, I completely missed the fact it was in the pack already. OK, saves me a lot of work, I'll tackle something else.

Happy new year everybody!

"....and in the meantime you released three paints without telling us????? "..... did you miss my screenies, Mathias?

skyhawka4m
December 31st, 2013, 15:59
Here's hoping we will see a Dortmann paint.....

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/0/3/5/6/8/a4235792-199-FW-190%20D-9%20Dortmann.jpg?d=1314314776

skyhawka4m
December 31st, 2013, 16:08
a couple more suggestions.....

http://www.arcair.com/Gal2/1801-1900/Gal1803-Fw-190D9-Samo/00.shtm

http://www.arcair.com/Gal11/10601-10700/gal10646-Fw-190-Ibieta/00.shtm

http://www.arcair.com/Gal12/11401-11500/gal11490-FW-190-Forster/00.shtm

http://www.arcair.com/Gal11/10001-10100/gal10069-Fw-190-Bade/00.shtm

huub vink
January 1st, 2014, 04:15
Alessandro already promised us a yellow tail, which will be avialable at http://www.italianwings.it/ soon. And the one below can also be removed from the "to-do" list as it is nearly finished.

I'm still working on the weathering.

Cheers,
Huub

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_b1_zps22b19948.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_b1_zps22b19948.jpg.html)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_b2_zpsd84dbbe8.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_b2_zpsd84dbbe8.jpg.html)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_b3_zps949560e3.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_b3_zps949560e3.jpg.html)

JensOle
January 1st, 2014, 05:22
Looking very nice huub! It makes for a interesting contrast with the painted/bare metal areas of the wing. Is it Josef Prillers last Dora you are painting?
I have a profile of black 14 made by Claes Sundin and it shows slightly larger numbers and the w.nr 211016. I have no cross reference with real pictures.

huub vink
January 1st, 2014, 05:58
Hi Jens-Ole, thanks for the remarks. I made this repaint based on profiles, which are not exactly the most reliable sources. Below are the two I used. The camouflage pattern on the wings, is more or less a standard pattern, based on "Red 3" flown by Waldemar Wübke. As you can see the aircraft number according to these profiles are 211018, but I have seen an equal amount of profiles and IL2 textures with the number 211016. So I really don't know and just made a choice.

The size of the registration numbers are based on the profiles as well. They are about 135% of the height of the panel in the port side of the fuselage. Originally I had them a bit bigger, but I reduces their size somewhere along the process.

I even don't know whether the aircraft really had the "Eagle tail" painted around the exhausts. When you look at the model behind the first link posted by skyhawka4m, you will see this model doesn't have the artwork. There are also some examples which show the "eagle tail"only on the port side.

The same is more or less valid for the paint saving pattern of the under surfaces. I added some colour on the flaps, but there are also people who

When you follow the rules of what is reasonable, you may conclude this aircraft was flown by Josef Priller. However from what I understand even the true experts are not sure about that. It was an aircraft used by Stab/JG26. The black 14 might be an indication that it was the follow up from Priller's black 13.
But Frank Engemann has even added Priller's personal emblem on both side from the aircraft. http://www.hyperscale.com/galleries/2001/fw190d9fe_1.htm

I know there are photographs available from this aircraft, however I have not been able to locate them.

Cheers,
Huub

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/2_57_zps048af719.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/2_57_zps048af719.jpg.html)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Artwork-Focke-Wulf-Fw-190D9-JG26-B14--WNr211018-Germany-1945-0A_zps1d895781.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/Artwork-Focke-Wulf-Fw-190D9-JG26-B14--WNr211018-Germany-1945-0A_zps1d895781.jpg.html)

Mathias
January 1st, 2014, 06:12
@ Huub: 100% historically accurate or just 98%, this is a very cool paint scheme I want on my HD ASAP! :-)

@ jankees: I enjoyed your screenshots but didn't see a release annoucement?

Sascha66
January 1st, 2014, 06:29
Thanks for enlightening me!
Sascha

thunder100
January 1st, 2014, 06:54
Hi Huub

I doubt that later planes would look so different to that

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Fw-190A/Fw-190A-JG26-(B13-+-)-Priller/images/Focke%20Wulf-Fw-190A8-JG26-(B13-+-)-Josef-Priller-Rambuillet-France-1944-05.jpg

Roland

huub vink
January 1st, 2014, 07:32
After reading this I changed the aircraft number into 2011016 and as I was busy with it I enlarged the numbers again, just because it looks cool :biggrin-new:

I also tried to bring more texture in the bare aluminium parts

http://www.indianamilitary.org/FreemanAAF/Documents/1945-09-01-tseal6d-list.jpg

and

http://www.indianamilitary.org/FreemanAAF/Aircraft%20-%20German/FE%200119-FW190D9/0119.htm

Cheers,
Huub

thunder100
January 1st, 2014, 08:33
Sachsenberg, who flew red 1 had "Verkaaft's mei Gwand 'I foahr im Himmel" (sell my clothes I'm going to heaven in Bavarian dialect) painted on his aircraft.

Thats a Heurigen (vineyard) song in Vienna-->Ferdinand Sauter arround 1820 Music Johann Strauss

Roland

alx
January 2nd, 2014, 03:28
New skins for Classics Hangar FW 190D-9 published at www.italianwings.it


http://www.italianwings.it/shots/D9-1.jpg

Fw190D-9, White 11 - Ofw. Heinz Marquardt - 13./JG 51, Eggersdorf Airfield - April 1945


http://www.italianwings.it/shots/D9-4.jpg

Fw190D-9, W.Nr. 210003 - Red 1 - Oblt. Hans Dortenman - 12./JG 54, Oldenberg Airfield - October 1944

Stickshaker
January 2nd, 2014, 05:01
Hello Mathias,

I asked the question earlier and perhaps I am the only one who does not know the answer. Even at speeds of more than 400 km/h, when I put the nose in an attitude that I think would point the guns at a target straight ahead (judging by the position of the gunsight relative to the horizon at the altitude at which I am flying), I always find myself losing altitude (judging by the VSI). This would mean that you cannot shoot at a target and maintain level flight. I know that the Dora and Ta were meant to operate at high speeds, but I cannot remember that I had this issue with any other WWII fighter. Is this realistic?

huub vink
January 2nd, 2014, 12:48
As I think it is more or less finished I made this repaint available for download in the library.

The final version....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_c2_zps4b1e742e.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_c2_zps4b1e742e.jpg.html)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_c1_zps77b85773.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_c1_zps77b85773.jpg.html)

YoYo
January 2nd, 2014, 14:50
Good work! CRG! :wiggle:

jankees
January 3rd, 2014, 04:32
work in progress:
during the war:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10113.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10113.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10122.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10122.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10117.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10117.jpg.html)

jankees
January 3rd, 2014, 04:33
and after the war:
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10103.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10103.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10108.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10108.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10109.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10109.jpg.html)

Mathias
January 3rd, 2014, 10:12
Huub, Alessandro, very cool!
Jan, looking forward to flying this. Not easy to hunt down interesting Ta152 schemes since they all served with the same unit.

Stickshaker: chance is that the gunsight isn't very well calibrated. This was really not of much concern to me having the reticule lined up.
However, since there are a few other little things to patch I'll have another look at this one, too.
Thanks for sharing your observations!

stovall
January 3rd, 2014, 10:23
Great aircraft and fantastic paint schemes. The new schemes by alx are very nice also.

jankees
January 3rd, 2014, 10:48
talk about coincidence, I just painted TA-152 150168, which you see above, and this afternoon I find a journal at the railway station with an article on Willy Reschke, who piloted green 9.
He called the TA152 his life insurance during the latter days of the war it seems, and describes how, although it was designed for high altitude combat, it would just as easily perform at treetop level. Some bird... But JG301 only had 13 TA's so the number of repaints is limited, as Mathias says...
It seems one 152 survived and is currently still in the US awaiting restoration, a H0 version:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3337/3259780951_ddd7d1ce23_o.jpg

and what it looked like just after the war:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/focke-wulf-ta152_2.jpg

does anyone know what it looked like while with JG301?

jankees
January 4th, 2014, 00:59
just uploaded green 9 in its two colours on OZx

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10150.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10150.jpg.html)

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/FW190/ss10127.jpg (http://s722.photobucket.com/user/jcblom60/media/FW190/ss10127.jpg.html)

Stickshaker
January 4th, 2014, 04:23
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There may be another reason. In ‘Wings of the Luftwaffe’, Eric Brown praised the forward view of the Fw-190A (he considered it better than that of the Spitfire) due to the nose-down attitude of the FW-190A in flight. He considered the forward view even better than that of the Mustang, although I do not know whether that also was due to the nose-down attitude. When a captured Fw-190A was tested at Farnborough, it was found that the all-round search view was ‘the best that has yet been seen from any aircraft flown by this unit.’ The sighting view was ‘approximately half a ring of deflection better than that from the Spitfire’.
I do not know whether the Dora and Ta-152 also had, in reality, a nose-down attitude in flight, but is it possible that the CH planes’ attitude is a bit too nose high? This is speculation on my side, but can you enlighten us?
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Barfly
January 4th, 2014, 05:29
I think the view over the cowling in flight has more to do with the relative downslope and shortness of the nose on the A models than the flight attitude in general - just from an observation of various pictures, and looking at the conventional wing/body angle to the relative wind when flying...

The Bearcat, which copied the general concept of the close cowled FW, is a more obvious example of this, with it's relatively high cockpit and similarly downward sloping nose. The "Langnase" would seem to have a very similar forward view angle as a Mustang or Spit, with perhaps a slightly better view down and forward due to the inverted position of the engine.

I use "Shift-Enter" to raise seated view for most sim aircraft and that definitely gives you a better feel for the relative view available here once you're high enough to see the top of the cowling. I don't use track IR, but that may better demonstrate view angles.

huub vink
January 4th, 2014, 05:31
The German 300 liter (ribbed) drop tanks were stenciled, but does anyone here know whether this type of German drop tank had similar stenciling?

Thanks,
Huub

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/FW190_Dora_c5_zps968d1064.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/FW190_Dora_c5_zps968d1064.jpg.html)

huub vink
January 4th, 2014, 07:51
According to Kangero Focke-Wulf FW190 volume IV this is aircraft no 150010, which looked like this before the British and Americans started to repaint it.

I'm afraid the picture will not help much as the registration code isn't visible, but it was the only one I could find.

Cheers,
Huub

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/150010_zps4ae25b75.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/150010_zps4ae25b75.jpg.html)


It seems one 152 survived and is currently still in the US awaiting restoration, a H0 version:

and what it looked like just after the war:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/focke-wulf-ta152_2.jpg

does anyone know what it looked like while with JG301?

Stickshaker
January 4th, 2014, 09:47
I think the view over the cowling in flight has more to do with the relative downslope and shortness of the nose on the A models than the flight attitude in general - just from an observation of various pictures, and looking at the conventional wing/body angle to the relative wind when flying...

The Bearcat, which copied the general concept of the close cowled FW, is a more obvious example of this, with it's relatively high cockpit and similarly downward sloping nose. The "Langnase" would seem to have a very similar forward view angle as a Mustang or Spit, with perhaps a slightly better view down and forward due to the inverted position of the engine.

I use "Shift-Enter" to raise seated view for most sim aircraft and that definitely gives you a better feel for the relative view available here once you're high enough to see the top of the cowling. I don't use track IR, but that may better demonstrate view angles.

Hello Barfly,

For normal flight, I also raise the eyepoint until I can see the tip or any other part of the nose, but I don't think that is a solution here. When you want to look through the gunsight you still have to lower the eyepoint.
Of course, a steep slope of the nose does help.

big-mike
January 4th, 2014, 11:36
Couldn`t longer resist and i all i can say is---this an outstanding and impressive package!
Thank you for your hard work,Mathias.:applause:
Mike

huub vink
January 4th, 2014, 12:06
Jan Kees a better version from the picture you posted before. It seems there is still much to see from the original paint. I think the front is quite standard and the 4 (green?) was genuine. I think the after part from the fuselage was already repainted when it was captured. On the other image you see a sort of scribbling pattern just before the tail. Perhaps repainted after damage? ON the other picture there is no sign from the red and yellow home defense band. I assume this was already painted in a basic colour (RKM02?)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Dora_FE-112_zpsf0847021.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/Dora_FE-112_zpsf0847021.jpg.html)

Stickshaker when you look closely to the picture above and image the pilot's head in front of the head rest, you will understand there was no way the pilot could see the point of the nose. The bulky panel covering the guns is simply blocking the view. And things might be a bit different than with other planes as I think this must be the longest nose around.
Since you post I have attacked many mountain tops, but when I aim my aircraft in "gunsight view" and keep the aircraft in a horizontal flight and I will hit the mountain where I aimed at.

So either I don't understand your problem or I don't have it.

Cheers,
Huub

CWOJackson
January 4th, 2014, 12:56
talk about coincidence, I just painted TA-152 150168, which you see above, and this afternoon I find a journal at the railway station with an article on Willy Reschke, who piloted green 9.
He called the TA152 his life insurance during the latter days of the war it seems, and describes how, although it was designed for high altitude combat, it would just as easily perform at treetop level. Some bird... But JG301 only had 13 TA's so the number of repaints is limited, as Mathias says...
It seems one 152 survived and is currently still in the US awaiting restoration, a H0 version:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3337/3259780951_ddd7d1ce23_o.jpg

and what it looked like just after the war:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/focke-wulf-ta152_2.jpg

does anyone know what it looked like while with JG301?

You might want to contact the NASM.

In 1998 Museum restoration staff were treating deteriorated sections of the wooden aft fuselage, fin, rudder, and right elevator when they discovered several interesting items that offered tantalizing glimpses into the airplane's shadowy past

Extensive wood rot was found in where the horizontal stabilizer joins the vertical fin. The restoration staff speculated that during testing at Wright Field, pilots and engineers became concerned that the wooden tail may have been weakened by defective glues or sabotage. They strengthened the entire area with steel plate. However, this work may have compromised flight safety because it required moving the horizontal stabilizer forward several inches, exacerbating a tail-heavy condition already known to the Germans. The restoration specialist removed the steel plate and rebuilt the tail to the original German configuration.

After comparing photographs with the aircraft, the staff determined the British painted over some of the original German markings. The U. S. Army Air Force then stripped and repainted part of the airplane but NASM technicians carefully sanded through the layers of Allied paint to reveal previous markings and much of the original German paint. They found the old Foreign Equipment number, RAF markings, the Reich Defense tail bands of JG 301 (fighter wing 301), and the original Nazi swastika.

The staff also found 20mm MG 151 gun mounts and fittings in the upper cowling. However, these were not normally found in H-0 models, suggesting this airframe may have been destined to become a C-1 variant.

huub vink
January 5th, 2014, 05:40
It might explain why the aft part of the fuselage was repainted.

DaveQ
January 5th, 2014, 06:03
Jan Kees a better version from the picture you posted before. It seems there is still much to see from the original paint. I think the front is quite standard and the 4 (green?) was genuine. I think the after part from the fuselage was already repainted when it was captured. On the other image you see a sort of scribbling pattern just before the tail. Perhaps repainted after damage? ON the other picture there is no sign from the red and yellow home defense band. I assume this was already painted in a basic colour (RKM02?)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Dora_FE-112_zpsf0847021.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/Dora_FE-112_zpsf0847021.jpg.html)

Stickshaker when you look closely to the picture above and image the pilot's head in front of the head rest, you will understand there was no way the pilot could see the point of the nose. The bulky panel covering the guns is simply blocking the view. And things might be a bit different than with other planes as I think this must be the longest nose around.
Since you post I have attacked many mountain tops, but when I aim my aircraft in "gunsight view" and keep the aircraft in a horizontal flight and I will hit the mountain where I aimed at.

So either I don't understand your problem or I don't have it.

Cheers,
Huub

It's interesting that the Luftwaffe markings on the fuselage and tail appear to have been crudely reapplied over RAF markings for some reason. Is that right??

DaveQ

huub vink
January 5th, 2014, 08:05
As explained in the bold text in CWOJackson's post the German markings were first painted over by the British with RAF markings and after arrival in the USA the RAF marking were painted over with (not quite accurate) German markings again by the USAAF.

Cheers,
Huub

Stickshaker
January 5th, 2014, 08:42
Hello Huub,<o:p></o:p>
Yes, I realize that in the 152 (and D-9) you cannot see the tip of the nose, that is why I added in my post ‘or any other part’. I’ll do some more flying, both in the Dora and the Ta-152. At what speed were you flying when you were ‘attacking’ the mountain? The higher the speed, the better the view.

Barfly
January 5th, 2014, 08:47
My guess is that after the RAF marked and flight tested the bird, they reapplied German markings for the Farnborough public display of captured aircraft immediately after the war.

Bomber_12th
January 5th, 2014, 10:10
Here are some artist's profiles of what the aircraft looked like with JG 301:
http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/462/pics/2_6_b2.jpg

http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/462/pics/2_6_b1.jpg

Here are some more period photos of the same TA-152:

Waiting for shipment to Freeman Field, at Newark, NJ: http://www.indianamilitary.org/FreemanAAF/Aircraft%20-%20German/FE%200112-FWta152/0112-2.JPG

The following two photos are from Freeman Field, in USAAF hands:
http://www.indianamilitary.org/FreemanAAF/WarePhotos/300%20dpi/116-FE-112%20Fw190.jpg

http://www.indianamilitary.org/FreemanAAF/WarePhotos/300%20dpi/115-FE-112%20Fw190.jpg

Color photo from Freeman Field: http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/462/pics/3_1_a1.jpg

Here's an interesting color profile, showing a combination of the different paint/markings when the aircraft was at Freeman Field with the USAAF (note the hints of the yellow/red bands of JG 301 around the rear fuselage): http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/462/pics/3_1.jpg


And more studies: http://asisbiz.com/il2/Ta-152H/Ta-152H1-JG301-Green-4-Loos.html

Barfly
January 5th, 2014, 12:46
I was incorrect... here's a link to a Farnborough photo with the aircraft wearing RAF markings.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/austin7nut/6277308806/

huub vink
January 5th, 2014, 13:13
Good find John!

Barfly, I'm afraid that's a different aircraft than the aircraft on the earlier pictures. The aircraft which is currently at NASM is most likely the 150010 (but could also be the 150003 or 150020), the aircraft on your picture is the 150168. It was taken to England, and flown twice by Cpt Eric brown before it was scrapped.

Cheers,
Huub

jankees
January 5th, 2014, 13:26
and it is the one I painted, although my paint shows slichtly different markings that were applied earlier or later, I'm not sure...

flaviossa
January 6th, 2014, 12:52
Hello guys ... can you point me the direction of the updated skins with the swastikas? thanks!

Edit: Already found it. :encouragement:

HansRoaming
January 6th, 2014, 14:51
Got to say am loving this addition to my FW Classics Hanger planes.

Set up the excellent Flight Replicas B-17 group as a tanker in TacPack and you can have some real fun! :)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16931349/FSX%20Shots/2014-1-6_22-43-3-740.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16931349/FSX%20Shots/2014-1-6_22-44-7-672.png

Mathias
January 9th, 2014, 04:30
BTW, if you wonder why you can't see the bomb fall and explode when hitting the B-knob on the stick, it's kaputt.
Right now dropping the bomb only works with the droptank release handle in the lower panel.
It will get fixed with the upcoming service pack.

YoYo
January 9th, 2014, 05:47
Got to say am loving this addition to my FW Classics Hanger planes.

Set up the excellent Flight Replicas B-17 group as a tanker in TacPack and you can have some real fun! :)



No need TacPack, CS Weapon is enough for IIWW.

Example:


http://youtu.be/GYY5E2n6CEc

:)

stovall
January 9th, 2014, 05:57
Very nice video YoYo. Thought I recognized Robin Olds singing in the background. Good job!!!

HansRoaming
January 9th, 2014, 13:38
No need TacPack, CS Weapon is enough for IIWW.


Having them as a tanker in TacPack just allows you to control the flight much like aicarriers does for ships, it was a not for anyone who already has TacPack really.

BTW Love the vids and subscribed.... ;)

JensOle
January 13th, 2014, 01:48
I have finally got the dora myself! thanks for making the late FWs for FS Mathias!

In between Afghanistan flights I'm painting up "Red 1" of Lt Heinz Sachsenberg. He was the leader of the JV44's Platzschutzstaffel ( often simply called the Würgerstaffel) and their colorful Doras based at Munchen Riem and later Ainring airfield in the spring of 1945. Sachsenberg was a true "experten" with 104 victories.
Red 1, a FW 190D-9 (w.nr 600424), was painted in the typical jv44 Platzschutzstaffel colors of red undersides with white stripes. Sachsenberg had the personal motto "verkaaft's mei gwand 'I foahr in himmel", which is a Bavarian saying ( sell my clothes, i'm going to heaven..), painted on the left fuselage under the canopy. Of notice is the use of old style B3 black and white german crosses.

Many modern publications call the staffel ( it was not even an official staffel) for the "Papageienstaffel", but this name was by all accounts not actually used during the war. The flight did use the Papagei radio call sign, along with Elefant.

I'll see if I can get some screenshots later today.

JensOle
January 13th, 2014, 02:23
Anybody which have a suggestion for ww2 Luftwaffe airfields (in Germany) for FSX to fly these birds from?

JensOle
January 13th, 2014, 02:44
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1251.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1249.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1255.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1258.jpg~original

JensOle
January 13th, 2014, 02:46
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1262.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1266.jpg~original

Slightly different variation of the underwing stripes compared to Red 4. Of interest is the all black crosses as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1265.jpg~original



Still very much a wip, still work to do on the decals and camo scheme ++

skyhawka4m
January 13th, 2014, 05:40
very nice Jens!!! How about some drop shadow on the panel lines to bring them out? To show off some weathering of the panel lines. Has anyone considered some coloring of the pilot skin? Seems a bit pale.

JensOle
January 13th, 2014, 05:59
Not a bad idea, 4 sec and the panel lines have shadows.

thunder100
January 13th, 2014, 07:23
Hi Jens Ole

Correct it is

Verkauft's mei Gwand, I foahr in Himmel !

or as there is no Close up Picture(but above is more likely)

Verkaaft's mei Gwand, I foahr in Himmel !


and that text comes of a famous Viennese Heurigenlied (Vienna vine yard song)

Just as the plane is so stunning nice(maybe also Huub has one)

Roland

(Vienna)

JensOle
January 13th, 2014, 07:57
Hi!

I have several up close pictures of the real Red 1 and the text is actually "verkaaft's mei gwand 'I foahr in himmel". The book "Doras of the galland circus" is a great source on these FW's.

thunder100
January 13th, 2014, 08:36
Hi!

I have several up close pictures of the real Red 1 and the text is actually "verkaaft's mei gwand 'I foahr in himmel". The book "Doras of the galland circus" is a great source on these FW's.

Dear Jens

As you probably know that is Kurrent writing So I am quite sure it is then

Verkaaft's mei Gwand 'I foahr in Himmel!


Best regards

Roland


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JensOle
January 13th, 2014, 08:45
If im not missing something that is exactly what i wrote :-)

I have made the r in foahr a bit more distinct as it was close to the e. Beside that all letters are hand made from a picture scan of red 1.

mjahn
January 13th, 2014, 09:03
I seem to see "Verlaafts" rather than "Verkaafts" ? Also it should be "foahr" rather than "foahe" -?

(Pedants United)

JensOle
January 13th, 2014, 09:28
The k in Verkaaft's is as it looked on the real red 1. I have not used a font, but hand made the letters on top of a picture scan. Read my above post and you will get the answer to foahr. As most of the letters looked the same as per the picture, i copied some of the hand made letters for the next similar letter. The e crept in as a mistake. I believe and hope all the others should be correct... Red 1 and the other doras of jv44 are very well documented with pictures taken by american soldiers arriving at munchen riem and ainring airfield days after the war was over. Many of them are in the book I mentioned. This makes these Doras actually some of the easiest to research. The actual paint, as with most luftwaffe aircraft, is never the less quite time consuming to get right. Much easier with the british and american aircraft...lol

I appreciate the discussion regarding the smaller details!

thunder100
January 13th, 2014, 09:51
Its just as you are so closein all stunning details allready and so I (and Manfred) just try to help with that last details

Roland

mjahn
January 13th, 2014, 10:50
It should be a 'k', Jens-Ole, unless it was a painter's error originally (can't check). The saying is never quoted as "Verlaaft's", even referring to Sachsenberg's plane.

One profile painting has it like this:

http://home.arcor.de/edug/dora.jpg

Don't know how reliable this is, of course. Anyway, it reads "Verkaufts" (don't think there is an apostrophe) and "I 'fahr", probably not quite right either, but making good sense.

JensOle
January 13th, 2014, 11:03
No worries :-)

As I said, I made the letters from a picture of the real Red 1... That profile is definitely wrong. It should be painted as a l with barely visible k "claws"

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7359/8731012373_a1be8d2d73_z.jpg

Closest profile drawing I have seen of the real Red 1.

http://i48.tinypic.com/oteosg.jpg

huub vink
January 13th, 2014, 11:18
A picture of the original

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Red_1_zpse4b6864d.jpg~original (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Huub_Vink/media/Red_1_zpse4b6864d.jpg.html)

mjahn
January 13th, 2014, 22:25
Hm, gotta admit I was wrong about the "false" 'k', indeed there is this exact looped variant in German Frakturschrift (ancient Gothic script), which this apparently is. My bad & apologies, JensOle.

JensOle
January 18th, 2014, 23:31
I'll be home again later today and the plan is to upload a pre release version of Red 1 to this thread for some feedback before final release.
Another small detail I'll change is to make the JV44 badge a bit bigger (it was a bit small judging from the pictures)

I stumbled across info mentioned a "D-11, Red 2" which flew with the Platzschutzstaffel, do any of you guys have any info about this?
I believe the info originate from the book "The Focke Wulf FW 190 Dora: Volume 2" by Jerry Crandall. I do not have the book myself (yet), but the author has done the dedicated booklet I mentioned earlier about the JV 44 Doras so he is definitely to be considered as an expert on the topic.

huub vink
January 19th, 2014, 01:38
Jens-Ole, check your mail.

Cheers,
Huub

JensOle
January 20th, 2014, 00:59
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1278.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1279.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1280.jpg~original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/JensOle/Luftwaffe/Scrshot1281.jpg~original

JensOle
January 20th, 2014, 01:12
Here is Red 1.

big-mike
January 20th, 2014, 06:06
Thank you very much--looks great!
Mike

huub vink
January 20th, 2014, 10:40
Thanks Jens-Ole! :encouragement:

Huub

jankees
January 20th, 2014, 22:14
very nice!

JensOle
January 22nd, 2014, 00:08
Thanks, it is much appreciated coming from you guys!

Do any of you have any feedback on Red 1s details like color shade, fading, mottling decals etc?

huub vink
January 22nd, 2014, 04:59
The white from the markings is very bright. Perhaps you could tone this down a bit.

But it already close to perfect.

Cheers,
Huub

big-mike
January 22nd, 2014, 06:49
The white from the markings is very bright.
Cheers,
Huub

I don`t see this,may depend on the monitor calibration.
Mike

JensOle
January 22nd, 2014, 08:58
The white from the markings is very bright. Perhaps you could tone this down a bit.

But it already close to perfect.

Cheers,
Huub

Hello!

That was my intention.. lol. I used the same brownish white as on the cross, but after the last adjustment to the text I might have forgotten to change the colour from the hi res text I use as a starting point. I'll check it.

TheGrunt
October 4th, 2014, 04:12
Bump :jump:
I just noticed that this bird is on sale half the price at simmarket now. It should show on the first page and it sale seems to end by 10/12/2014. I've been thinking of getting this one for a while and for this price I couldn't resist anymore :wiggle:

Here's the link to the product:
http://secure.simmarket.com/classics-hangar-fw-190d-ta152h-fsx.phtml

Bradburger
October 4th, 2014, 09:44
Bump :jump:
I just noticed that this bird is on sale half the price at simmarket now. It should show on the first page and it sale seems to end by 10/12/2014. I've been thinking of getting this one for a while and for this price I couldn't resist anymore :wiggle:

Here's the link to the product:
http://secure.simmarket.com/classics-hangar-fw-190d-ta152h-fsx.phtml

Thanks for the heads up!

Might have to get it!

Cheers

Paul

TheGrunt
October 4th, 2014, 10:52
Might have to get it!
Get it, you won't regret! This is again amazing work of art from CH and I only almost regret buying it from the sale, as this package is a steal even for the regular price :applause:

dhazelgrove
October 4th, 2014, 11:19
Are there any replacement textures for the historically accurate tails?

Dave

Bradburger
October 4th, 2014, 11:21
I bought the 190A compilation pack a while ago, and loved it!

I think I'm about to cave in for the Dora pack, which as you say, is a steal at the regular price.

Cheers

Paul

TheGrunt
October 4th, 2014, 11:21
Are there any replacement textures for the historically accurate tails?

Dave
You mean with swastikas? They can be found here:
http://www.italianwings.it/

hairyspin
October 4th, 2014, 11:37
I'll second the Doras as an outstanding package. Just read the instructions before flying – I got the Ta152-H1 to 40,000ft and ran out of fuel with two full tanks. Should have turned the fuel pumps on, doh!

A really interesting set of aircraft to fly! :encouragement:

dhazelgrove
October 5th, 2014, 00:07
Dave
You mean with swastikas? They can be found here:
http://www.italianwings.it/

Thank you.

Dave

Tim-HH
October 10th, 2014, 23:39
I'm not really interested in German WWII aircrafts. But I have to say that this is a wonderful model and a steal for the price :applause:

http://abload.de/img/fw190dfeqkf.jpg

And thanks for the great repaint, Huub :)

Greetings
Tim

huub vink
October 11th, 2014, 01:52
I'm glad you like it Tim. The model is indeed great. The VC textures area really amazing. The plywood looks so real that you can almost smell it!

Cheers,
Huub

Dutcheeseblend
October 11th, 2014, 02:55
Bought this bird too! Looks very nice indeed, though I need to read that manual I guess... ;)

Ferry_vO
October 11th, 2014, 02:55
Now 50% off at SimMarket! :encouragement:

Peg o my heart
October 11th, 2014, 03:50
....now's the time (bird)

Yay THANKS :very_drunk::very_drunk:

DaveB
October 11th, 2014, 04:27
Simmarket.. ker-ching!

It's a lovely looking model and the VC is great (though how you're supposed to see the runway to land one of these long-nosed girls is something else!) but after a couple of brief flights.. I don't care for the FD much. I turned Accu-Feel off in case it was interfering with things but saw no noticeable difference. The CH Taifun got very 'flighty' after the last service pack too though not to the same degree as the 190. While it's a great model to look at (and I spent a lot of time flying it from tower view).. I don't find it a barrel of laughs to fly I'm afraid. Not sure which I'm more disappointed about.. the fact that I don't like the FD much or that you all seem to think it's great!

ATB
DaveB:)

rgatkinson
October 11th, 2014, 07:13
Many thanks for the heads-up on this, much appreciated :jump:

Taff