Bear Studios Flanker B+ available now

[Montie]

I just noticed it has been released. I have not gotten it yet, but its looking pretty nice. Both single and two seater version by the looks of it.

http://secure.simmarket.com/bear-studios-flanker-b.phtml

[warchild]

I have to applaud Bear for doing the PLAAF.. Theres so little thats been done of chinese construction and they've gotten a lousy rep. Of course it doesnt help that their J-20 is woefully underpowered but they'll work it out.. Thanks to Bear, we have another fine flanker out there.. :)..

[wombat666]

One that might be worth buying despite a couple of minors points that I'm not liking.
And a 'G'Day Pam', how are you doing???? :wavey:

[woyaofei]

I have to applaud Bear for doing the PLAAF.. Theres so little thats been done of chinese construction and they've gotten a lousy rep. Of course it doesnt help that their J-20 is woefully underpowered but they'll work it out.. Thanks to Bear, we have another fine flanker out there.. :)..Well, I guess you must be either a design team member or a test pilot of J-20. Otherwise, one won't be so sure it's "woefully" underpowered.

[airattackimages]

Well, I guess you must be either a design team member or a test pilot of J-20. Otherwise, one won't be so sure it's "woefully" underpowered.

It is underpowered.

[woyaofei]

It is underpowered.Can I be enlighted how this conclusion is drawn? Since this is not an airplane of international collaboration project like F-35 (still not much info we know about for sure) or any official information has been disclosed, IMHO, I think the fair way of giving a describtion is "it is said/believed" to be underpowered. Whether it is "woefully" underpower or not, I guess no one knows. Of course, it's likely that people here are more informed than me on that.

[woyaofei]

It is underpowered.Can I be enlighted how this conclusion was drawn? Since the airplane in question is not an international collaboration project like F-34 (still many information mostof our common man do not know for sure) and its official information so far has not been disclosed, so IMHO, I think the fair way to give a discription is "it is said/believed" to be underpowered. As to whether it is "woefully" underpowered, I guess no one knows. Though it's likely people in this forum are more informed than me, I am with all ears.

[mgchrist5]

Thanks for the HU!

This one really looks fantastic. I have the Bear Studios MiGs, and they're all great. I'm sure the Flanker won't disappoint.

[Ferry_vO]

First info on the J-20 seems to indicate about the same weight and power as the F-22 Raptor.. Wiki states there's a lack of engines, not a lack of engine power.

Back on topic:

Woohoo!

A Twin-hole Flanker! Love the Bear J-10 so this will be a must-buy for me! :applause:

[woyaofei]

First info on the J-20 seems to indicate about the same weight and power as the F-22 Raptor.. Wiki states there's a lack of engines, not a lack of engine power.Back on topic: Woohoo! A Twin-hole Flanker! Love the Bear J-10 so this will be a must-buy for me! :applause:With all respect, I don't think WIKI is right place to source information about an airplane, I would rather believe people in this forum who even may not be professionalor expert, but at least enthusiast in this field. By the way, has any one compared this newly released Flanker B+ with Flight 1 Su-27? I always feel the texture of productsby Bear Studio is somewhat cartoonish like.

[peter12213]

Picking this up now!

[Ferry_vO]

According to their forum, more versions are coming:


And this is a beginning for Bear Studios long product line on Flanker Family, in future; we will build major variants for this great aircraft. Include Naval carrier-based and su-30 international export variants.

:applause:

[Ferry_vO]

[QUOTE=woyaofei;764417]With all respect, I don't think WIKI is right place to source information about an airplane, QUOTE]

Looks like a well-written article with plenty of resources used to me..: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20

[warchild]

At this moment, according to the news agency http://rt.com/news/fifth-generation-j-20-russian-engine-261/ The J-20 is using AL-31F engines from the Su-27 Flanker B ( a much lighter aircraft ). As china doesnt have the technology at this time to construct reliable 5G engines such as the AL-41FC1 used in its J-15 it has to rely on Russia to provide such engines. However, at this time, Their only option is to disassemble older aircraft and use those engines for their new aircraft. This causes the J-20 to at this moment be underpowered and underrmaneuverable lacking the full benefits of using the designed 5G engines.
The one very positive thing that can be said of it is that it is definitely a whole new design not at all based on any other countries designs in any way. As to what the future holds for it and its place in world aviation, only time will tell..

And yes, Grat Job Bear :).. will be looking to see many more.. :) :)

[warchild]

[QUOTE=woyaofei;764417]With all respect, I don't think WIKI is right place to source information about an airplane, I would rather believe people in this forum who even may not be professionalor expert, but at least enthusiast in this field. By the way, has any one compared this newly released Flanker B+ with Flight 1 Su-27? I always feel the texture of products by Bear Studio is somewhat cartoonish like.[/QUOTE

I undersand how visuals are so important to so many people, but visuals can ( and usually are ) upgraded and improved by the community here and other places. For me, whats important is that these and aircraft from other nations heretofore ignored are now coming to light and being produced. This is a very exciting event for me as i personally believe that aircraft are aircraft no matter who makes them and each have strong and weak points that deserve to be seen and experienced in the flight sim world..

[Ferry_vO]

First impressions after a quick flight: Looks good, flies great! Needs a switch to select either Chinese or English in the cockpit though..

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker1.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker2.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker3.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker4.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker9.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker10.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker11.jpg

Sukhoi Su-27UKB (Twin-seater) VC:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker6.jpg

Rear pit:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker7.jpg

Single-seat Chengdu J-11 VC:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker8.jpg

Now off to study the manual.

[Ferry_vO]

While looking for the manual, I found English cockpit textures hidden in FsX/BearStudios!

That should help! :applause:

[warchild]

One that might be worth buying despite a couple of minors points that I'm not liking.
And a 'G'Day Pam', how are you doing???? :wavey:

:) Good morning.. Doing fine.. :) :) Playing hooky from writing a five year business plan I'm supposed to be working on at the moment ::lol::..

[Ferry_vO]

Some more testing:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_J111.jpg

Air-to-air missile launch:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_J112.jpg

Air-to-ground missïle launch:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_J113.jpg

48,000 feet and still climbing:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_J114.jpg

[jetstreamsky]

She's a beaut,

how good is the flight model, I mean does it feel heavy yet powerful with precision?

[Phantom88]

:salute:Thx for the screens:salute:

[Ferry_vO]

She's a beaut,

how good is the flight model, I mean does it feel heavy yet powerful with precision?

Very powerful, and very precise. Probably not as maneuvrable as the real thing (Don't think it will do a Cobra.) but not as hard as the old Alphasim Flankers either. Those will go into an accelerated stall quite easily. Flankers have a lot of power and agility to compensate for their weight, and I guess this feels about 'right' to me (Only being a sim pilot.)

[Warrant]

What......it has a tandem seat version as well......off to purchase! :salute:

[Roger]

Looks like this needs a stickie:santahat:

[Ferry_vO]

What......it has a tandem seat version as well......off to purchase! :salute:

I knew you would! ;-)

[Warrant]

I knew you would! ;-)

I knew you would say that :-)

IMHO i have to say i like the ALS Sim Flanker better, but it lacks a tandem seat.

Gonna be tweaking and painting next weeks (between my already over-buzy scedule)......

Great heads up regarding this little bird. Strange thing is that @ Simmarket they state it has been there for quite some time, but i never noticed it.
Must be a form of misinterpretation by me or something.....

[jetstreamsky]

IMHO i have to say i like the ALS Sim Flanker better, but it lacks a tandem seat.

..


Is there something definitive about the ALS that you like it better or something less tangible?

I have the ALS, so other then the two seater, it needs to be a step up to be worth getting another model.

[warchild]

If its modeled correctly as i suspect, then its behavior is going to be a bit different than the ALS Flanker simply because 1. its a russian export version, and 2. its chinese which means theyve done some of their own stuff.. I've also got ALS, and Alpha Sims for fs9, but i'll be getting this one as well, and I'm building a flanker myself ( or at least the fde for one )..

[Cirrus N210MS]

anyone know if it floods when you use it online? if it does not i may get a copy

[woyaofei]

At this moment, according to the news agency http://rt.com/news/fifth-generation-j-20-russian-engine-261/ The J-20 is using AL-31F engines from the Su-27 Flanker B ( a much lighter aircraft ). As china doesnt have the technology at this time to construct reliable 5G engines such as the AL-41FC1 used in its J-15 it has to rely on Russia to provide such engines. However, at this time, Their only option is to disassemble older aircraft and use those engines for their new aircraft. This causes the J-20 to at this moment be underpowered and underrmaneuverable lacking the full benefits of using the designed 5G engines.The one very positive thing that can be said of it is that it is definitely a whole new design not at all based on any other countries designs in any way. As to what the future holds for it and its place in world aviation, only time will tell..And yes, Grat Job Bear :).. will be looking to see many more.. :) :)I don't think AL-41F can be commissioned in short period even for Russian airforce. The AL-41F was supposed to be the powerplant for theSoviet era designed 5G fighter (US standard 4G) MiG 1.42/1.44. Currently, for the similar looking, but according to Russian, fully re-designed Su-35 is using the 117S as its powerplant. Again, the 117S is a much improved/enhanced version of AL-31F. About engine for J-20, we don't have any official information. Till now, there are different gestimations, some say it's using AF-31F, other say it's Chinese made WS10 which is said either a direct copy or with technical inputs but an improved version of AL-31F sincer there are more than one prototypes according to publically available photo shots on internet. Since so far there is no confirmed information on weight of J-20, so it is difficult for anyeone to judge what's its thrust-weight ratio.

[woyaofei]

I don't think AL-41F can be commissioned in short period even for Russian airforce. The AL-41F was supposed to be the powerplant for theSoviet era designed 5G fighter (US standard 4G) MiG 1.42/1.44. Currently, for the similar looking, but according to Russian, fully re-designed Su-35 is using the 117S as its powerplant. Again, the 117S is a much improved/enhanced version of AL-31F. About engine for J-20, we don't have any official information. Till now, there are different gestimations, some say it's using AF-31F, other say it's Chinese made WS10 which is said either a direct copy or with technical inputs but an improved version of AL-31F sincer there are more than one prototypes according to publically available photo shots on internet. Since so far there is no confirmed information on weight of J-20, so it is difficult for anyeone to judge what's its thrust-weight ratio.Just to clarify one point, when I say "similar looking" about Su-35, I meant "similar looking" to Su-27, not MiG 1.42/1.44. Now, about the texture of Bear Studios Flanker B+, I fully agree that it is not so important, as I believe many new paints will come from fans soon. If most people here feel its flight dynamic is close to real, then I will take it to supplement myFlight 1 ASL Su-27. Finally, which airplane do you guys recommend Bear Studios to make as its next project? So far, we don't have a goodquality MiG-23.

[CG_1976]

I'll buy it when some paints flow of other nations or fictional. I don't fly anything in Chinese armed forces colors or markings. There my foe and Prey and drive me nuts in cyber security. This way if say a RCAF or Mexico scheme came, it will replace the default scheme and I will buy.

[warchild]

My philosophy is slightly different. its nations that wage wars with each other, not flightm simmers.. Wars destroy lands and lives, flight simmers create communities.. I like flight simmers.. :).. No one is my foe unless they intend me physical harm.. then even a few americans are not in such good standing..

[Jafo]

Just to clarify one point, when I say "similar looking" about Su-35, I meant "similar looking" to Su-27, not MiG 1.42/1.44. Now, about the texture of Bear Studios Flanker B+, I fully agree that it is not so important, as I believe many new paints will come from fans soon. If most people here feel its flight dynamic is close to real, then I will take it to supplement myFlight 1 ASL Su-27. Finally, which airplane do you guys recommend Bear Studios to make as its next project? So far, we don't have a goodquality MiG-23.

Mig25.
The [sim] world can't have too many Foxbats....
Oh...
...and the 31 ..... there ain't one that's really any good.....yet....;)

[Ferry_vO]

Gonna be tweaking and painting next weeks (between my already over-buzy scedule)......


Again, I just knew... ;)

Next up from Bear Studios..? First, more Flankers, then I hope someday we'll see a Shenyang J-6/MiG-19, though a J-7 or J-8 would be great too.

[Stickshaker]

It looks like an interesting plane! Is the HUD collimated properly?

[wombat666]

Just to clarify one point, when I say "similar looking" about Su-35, I meant "similar looking" to Su-27, not MiG 1.42/1.44. Now, about the texture of Bear Studios Flanker B+, I fully agree that it is not so important, as I believe many new paints will come from fans soon. If most people here feel its flight dynamic is close to real, then I will take it to supplement myFlight 1 ASL Su-27. Finally, which airplane do you guys recommend Bear Studios to make as its next project? So far, we don't have a goodquality MiG-23.

The MiG19, especially if you do all the variations like those in your MiG15 and MiG17 packages.
:applause:

[woyaofei]

The MiG19, especially if you do all the variations like those in your MiG15 and MiG17 packages. :applause: I was once trying to say "a nice MiG-19", but felt maybe not much people in this community like the model, then Bear Studios may have difficulties in marketing it. It's a good suggestion, though, I would definitely take it if Bear Studios makes one.

[jetstreamsky]

A Su-25 Frogfoot would be nice, especially with the two seat naval variant Su-25UTG.

Watching the two videos on Simmarket, I think I'll stick with the ALS model, just wish there were more repaints for it.

[Hanimichal]

My philosophy is slightly different. its nations that wage wars with each other, not flightm simmers.. Wars destroy lands and lives, flight simmers create communities.. I like flight simmers.. :).. No one is my foe unless they intend me physical harm.. then even a few americans are not in such good standing..
Nice philosophy



http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6526/20121221242738.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/22/20121221242738.jpg/)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5561/201212212442508.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/201212212442508.jpg/)

[peter12213]

I really want a Mig-19 that would be my choice the chinese versons like the Fantan used by china and Pakistan I believe would be awesome too!

[SOLOBO]

First impressions after a quick flight: Looks good, flies great! Needs a switch to select either Chinese or English in the cockpit though..
...
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/Bear_Flanker11.jpg

... .

Nice screens... And look very beautiful...

Question: Are the suspensions of gears modelled in the 3D model ?

[airattackimages]

Question: does it show up as traffic in FS Recorder with a dissimilar aircraft? Or does it have the disappearing visual model annoyance... That is an irritating limitation in my book.

[Ferry_vO]

Nice screens... And look very beautiful...

Question: Are the suspensions of gears modelled in the 3D model ?

Thanks, and yes they are.


Question: does it show up as traffic in FS Recorder with a dissimilar aircraft? Or does it have the disappearing visual model annoyance... That is an irritating limitation in my book.


No idea to be honest, I don't use Fs Recorder.

Nice night lightning btw:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/J111.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/J112.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/J113.jpg

This is just a nice shot imho:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/J114.jpg

[jetstreamsky]

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ain-defense-perspective/2012-11-30/chinas-flanker-fighter-goes-sea-new-versions-planned-1

[Ferry_vO]

Bill already has a WIP shot of the J-15 up at his forum. :d

[Cag40Navy]

Bill already has a WIP shot of the J-15 up at his forum. :d

Link? Please? :jump:

[Ferry_vO]

In this thread: http://www.simforums.com/forums/bear-studios-su27j11b-project_topic42300.html

:)

[FSDSMAN]

A Su-25 Frogfoot would be nice, especially with the two seat naval variant Su-25UTG.

Watching the two videos on Simmarket, I think I'll stick with the ALS model, just wish there were more repaints for it.
Many thanks.
With new tricks I have learnt from my current project I will be updating it as a service pack but not in the next month or so

[jetstreamsky]

Many thanks.
With new tricks I have learnt from my current project I will be updating it as a service pack but not in the next month or so

Look forward to that :jump:

[SOLOBO]

Thanks, and yes they are.
... ...


Thank you Ferry_VO.

[peter12213]

Look forward to that :jump:
Same awesome news!

[skyhawka4m]

As soon as some quality paints show up from Zsolt or maybe YoYo....I'll buy it

[Hanimichal]

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Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Ferry_vO]

Looks great Hani!! :applause:

[mgr]

Hiya,

Great looking repaint!

Question: is someone able to converd the layered paintkit into layered psp or psd format? Seems to have adobe firework to do this?

Thanks!

Marcel

[Hanimichal]

When I finished the repaint I'll include the Paint Kit used in this textures to share too (Photoshop and Corel Photo Paint x6 format)

[CG_1976]

Ok I see a Hani paint, so off to buy this Flanker. Hani by chance will you be doing a fictional Brazil AF paint please??

[Hanimichal]

Ready for download when approved, with my Paint kit in Photoshop format

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/292/85652099.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/252/85652099.jpg/)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/199/69038861.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/69038861.jpg/)

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http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/9398/98559153.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/98559153.jpg/)




...Hani by chance will you be doing a fictional Brazil AF paint please??
Perhaps in the future, for now There are many countries have this airplane with awesome paints

[CG_1976]

Very true Hani, I saw some wonderful artistic scheme's on the Venezuela AF Sukhoi's.
Now parked at MUSA for Sukhoi class

[peter12213]

Cant stop flying this at the minute, that rear pit is awesome!

[Hanimichal]

Upload done


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[CG_1976]

Hani, what scenery are you using in the last shot?

[Hanimichal]

Hani, what scenery are you using in the last shot?

Aerosoft - Antarctica X

[sinzov]

playing around with some skins i did for Lockon years ago. they do not quite fit, but they are a good starting point ;-)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/sinzow/grab_0261.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/sinzow/grab_0441.jpg

cheers
sinzov

[ZsoltB]

playing around with some skins i did for Lockon years ago. they do not quite fit, but they are a good starting point ;-)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/sinzow/grab_0261.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/sinzow/grab_0441.jpg

cheers
sinzov

This is model BS or ALS?

It would be nice to Bear Studios model engine smoke but unfortunately there is no
Any idea?

[ZsoltB]

http://imageshack.us/a/img201/8775/73028850.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img593/4193/18767609.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/7681/24868876.jpg

[warchild]

it looks "shorter" than an SU-37.. I know thats a really odd statement, but Zolts last paints are specifically SU-35 paints and the new SU-35s are based on the SU-37. Maybe its the second seat.. ::shrug::

[warchild]

Upload done


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http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/9835/20121210101622121.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/541/20121210101622121.jpg/)

Oh gods i wish i could put your paints on our Zolts too..

[Ferry_vO]

Anxiously awaiting your repaints, Zsolt! :applause:

[ZsoltB]

http://imageshack.us/a/img812/4459/xxxiq.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img843/4086/48182371.jpg

[sinzov]

@zsolt

very, very fine textures.

i used the Bear Studios Flanker for my pictures.
is the ALS Flanker worth it's money?

cheers
sinzov

[Hanimichal]

New Afterburner https://www.box.com/s/beaesj1s8cdzzoerfuq1
8364983650836518365283653


Comparison with default
8365483655

[UnknownGuest12]

Does it come with a Clean (no payload) version?

Thanks

[Ferry_vO]

Does it come with a Clean (no payload) version?



All weapons can be fired, jettisoned or removed through the payload editor.

:)

[Sindhu]

Request Vietnam+Indonesian Air Forces

http://www.mars.slupsk.pl/fort/sukhoi/big/su30mk2-8588-vietnam-2012.jpg

http://www.mars.slupsk.pl/fort/sukhoi/big/tni-au-su30mk2%5B05%5D-2008.jpg

http://www.mars.slupsk.pl/fort/sukhoi/big/tni-au-su27sk%5B01%5D-2004.jpg