Ito San did it again: a Fokker D.XXIII available

[Maarten -]

Hi there,

Just available from the hands of the Master, for download at FlightSim.com:

FS2002 - FS2002 AircraftFS2002/FS2004 Fokker D.XXIII
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Name: fokker_dxxiii.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/vbfs/content.php?108-Copyright&fid=166319)
Size: 3,610,554 Date: 06-06-2012 Downloads: 15

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/fscfiles/r/fokker_dxxiii.gif
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/fsc/wbicons/fcq1.gif http://www.sim-outhouse.com/images/fsc/wbicons/fbq1.gif FS2002/FS2004 Fokker D.XXIII. This is a fighter of the Netherlands developed just before World War II. The layout that has two engines arranged front and back in the body. Though the test was begun in May 1939, the low output of the engine and cooling the back engine became problems. The Netherlands surrendered after the invasion of the German army in May 1940, and development was discontinued. Only one prototype was destroyed afterwards or is said to have been confiscated by Germany to use as research material. By Kazunori Ito (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/main/review/ito/ito2.htm).

Haven't downloaded it yet but I thought I'd better let you know first.

Cheers,
Maarten

[Drzook]

You beat me to the punch by two minutes. Downloading now but won't be able to take a good look at it until I get home from work tonight. Looks promising! :applause:

[Ferry_vO]

Nice surprise! :applause:

The model seems quite accurate, but the FDE and paint could use a bit of work.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/D231.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Flightsim/D232.jpg

[Hurricane91]

Nice surprise! :applause:

The model seems quite accurate, but the FDE and paint could use a bit of work.

I agree, the model seems very accurate. Evidently Kazunori tried to work up the piston engines
but ran into problems. He expressed considerable frustration in the "Readme".

Many thanks to Ito-san for a great model.

[Naismith]

Good to see him taking on the VC too.

[mikezola]

Yessir- another nice aircraft from Ito-san!

I was debating whether to work over his FDE files or splice in those from Payakan's D.23 that he made some years ago... it looks like I'll be better off working over Ito's files... we'll see what I come up with...

I thought it was interesting that I found 3 different paint schemes for this- yet only one aircraft was produced... hmmmmmm...

- Mike Z.

[napamule]

Well, it's out: Ito hates dynamics (hehe). What else is new? But the guy does great models, that's for sure. I worked on the dynamics (well....had some already 'configured' for push-pull engine (Junkers EF-112) so used those. Notice air file is 'pembroke'. Rob Peter to pay Paul. I like these FDEs. The sound can be piston or turbo prop. It has reverse thrust (ha!). I'm too good (hehe) .:sheep:
Chuck B
Napamule

[Drzook]

While it's true that Ito doesn't care for piston engined FDE's you gotta hand it to him that he actually tries,and you have to respect that (after all, FDE's are kind of a black art to most). His aircraft have been steadily improving over the years especially in the VC. Other from the FDE all this plane really needs is a BananaBob prop and a rockin' sound file. Preliminary research show that those engines are inverted air-cooled V-12's, like those engines in the DeHavilland Albatross or that Ranger V-something-or-other that was in the Bell XP-77. So, any ideas about the sound file?

[Drzook]

At this point I 'Frankensteined' Payakan's D.XXIII FDE with Ito's contact points and lights. Not bad. Slow on acceleration, top end 256 KIAS at 1200' and absolutely vicious near stall speed. It's definitely a challenge to get airborne and to land. Otherwise it seems pretty benign.
Since I changed the FDE to a piston engined version I made some changes to the panel.cfg. Most of it was already in place; all I had to do was to comment out the turbine gauges and 'un-comment' out the piston gauges.
I also changed the pixel size to 1024,1024 to make the gauges clearer in the VC. Contact points may need some work or those are some flat tires.
BTW, how does one say 'Mixmaster' or 'Push-Me-Pull-You' in Dutch? I'm thinking those would be cool nicknames for this plane (Yeah I know the Cessna 337 goes by those names too)
Here's the modded panel.cfg:
//****************************************
// Panel for Fokker D.XXIII
//
// by Kazunori Ito
// KazuIto0926@aol.com
// 2012/06/05
//***************************************
[Window Titles]
Window00=Main Panel
Window01=Auto Pilot
Window02=Radio
Window03=GPS Panel
[Window00]
file=Main_Panel.bmp
windowsize_ratio=1.000
position=4
size_mm=1024, 768
window_pos=0.0,0.0
window_size=1.000,1.000
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL
gauge00=Spitfire_MKI!Attitude, 358, 415, 144, 144
gauge01=Spitfire_MKI!Heading_Indicator, 370, 583, 120, 150
gauge02=FW190a!Altimeter, 206, 416, 129, 144
gauge03=FW190a!Airspeed, 208, 569, 129, 144
gauge04=FW190a!Vertical_Speed, 522, 418, 125, 125
gauge05=BF109e!Turn_Indicator, 528, 583, 119, 119
gauge06=BF109e!Tachometer, 699, 450, 81, 81
gauge07=BF109e!Boost_Pressure, 698, 544, 81, 81
gauge08=BF109e!Engine_Temperature, 706, 643, 70, 66
gauge09=BF109e!Tachometer, 795, 450, 81, 81
gauge10=BF109e!Boost_Pressure, 791, 544, 81, 81
gauge11=BF109e!Engine_Temperature, 799, 643, 70, 66
//gauge06=CFR.torque-1, 699, 450, 81, 81
//gauge07=CFR_n1-1, 698, 544, 81, 81
//gauge08=CFR_TIT-1, 706, 643, 70, 66
//gauge09=CFR.torque-2, 795, 450, 81, 81
//gauge10=CFR_n1-2, 791, 544, 81, 81
//gauge11=CFR_TIT-2, 799, 643, 70, 66
gauge12=BF109e!Clock, 85, 500, 73, 73
gauge13=P38F_Lightning!Landing-Gear-Flaps-Indicator, 69, 606, 100, 100
gauge14=BF109e!Fuel, 899, 575, 58, 58
gauge15=CFR_FF1, 899, 644, 68, 66
[Window01]
Background_color=16,16,16
size_mm=360,80
position=2
visible=0
ident=AP_Panel
gauge00=f_ap,5,5,350,70
[Window02]
Background_color=16,16,16
size_mm=150,160
position=0
visible=0
ident=Radio_Panel
gauge00=f15j_radio,5,5,140,180
[Window03]
size_mm=250,350
position=8
BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16
VISIBLE=0
ident=GPS_PANEL
gauge00=gps!gps,0,0,250,350
[Vcockpit01]
size_mm=948,348
//pixel_size=512,512s
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$G1_Mat
Background_color=0,0,0
visible=1
ident=
gauge00=Spitfire_MKI!Attitude, 330, 33, 140, 140
gauge01=Spitfire_MKI!Heading_Indicator, 342, 198, 116, 137
gauge02=FW190a!Altimeter, 180, 34, 125, 141
gauge03=FW190a!Airspeed, 181, 184, 127, 142
gauge04=FW190a!Vertical_Speed, 488, 35, 124, 124
gauge05=BF109e!Turn_Indicator, 495, 197, 116, 116
gauge06=BF109e!Tachometer, 662, 68, 79, 79
gauge07=BF109e!Boost_Pressure, 661, 159, 79, 79
gauge08=BF109e!Engine_Temperature, 668, 256, 69, 66
gauge09=BF109e!Tachometer, 756, 68, 79, 79
gauge10=BF109e!Boost_Pressure, 753, 159, 79, 79
gauge11=BF109e!Engine_Temperature, 759, 256, 69, 66
//gauge06=CFR.torque-1, 662, 68, 79, 79
//gauge07=CFR_n1-1, 661, 159, 79, 79
//gauge08=CFR_TIT-1, 668, 256, 69, 66
//gauge09=CFR.torque-2, 756, 68, 79, 79
//gauge10=CFR_n1-2, 753, 159, 79, 79
//gauge11=CFR_TIT-2, 759, 256, 69, 66
gauge12=BF109e!Clock, 62, 116, 72, 72
gauge13=P38F_Lightning!Landing-Gear-Flaps-Indicator, 48, 221, 96, 96
gauge14=BF109e!Fuel, 859, 190, 57, 57
gauge15=CFR_FF1, 857, 257, 66, 66
[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8191
SIZE_Y=4000

[OBIO]

Here's the panel config I set up for the 2D and VC panels using Mopar Mike's 4 Engine Luft gauge pack (available in the library...may be harder to find than it used to be...CFS2 gauges best place to look). This set up give the front and rear engines their own tach, manifold pressure and cylinder head temp gauges. No radio, ap or GPS stuff at this point....will set it up to reflect my personal taste...but left it out for you folks to set up to your personal tastes.

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//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window00]
file=Main_Panel.bmp
size_mm=1024,768
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=4
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL
window_size= 1.000, 1.000
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000

gauge00=Spitfire_MKI!Attitude, 358,415,144,144
gauge01=Spitfire_MKI!Heading_Indicator, 370,583,120,150
gauge02=FW190a!Altimeter, 206,416,129,144
gauge03=FW190a!Airspeed, 208,569,129,144
gauge04=FW190a!Vertical_Speed, 522,418,125,125
gauge05=BF109e!Turn_Indicator, 528,583,119,119
gauge06=BF109e!Clock, 85,500,73,73
gauge07=P38F_Lightning!Landing-Gear-Flaps-Indicator, 69,606,100,100
gauge08=BF109e!Fuel, 899,575,58,58
gauge09=CFR_FF1, 899,644,68,66
gauge10=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!Tachometer1, 700,450,81,81
gauge11=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!Tachometer2, 795,450,81,81
gauge12=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!ManifoldPressure1, 698,544,81,81
gauge13=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!ManifoldPressure2, 791,544,81,81
gauge14=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!Cylinder Head Temperature 1, 706, 643 ,70,66
gauge15=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!Cylinder Head Temperature 2, 799,643,70,66


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=948,348
visible=1
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$G1_Mat

gauge00=Spitfire_MKI!Attitude, 330,33,140,140
gauge01=Spitfire_MKI!Heading_Indicator, 342,198,116,137
gauge02=FW190a!Altimeter, 180,34,125,141
gauge03=FW190a!Airspeed, 181,184,127,142
gauge04=FW190a!Vertical_Speed, 488,35,124,124
gauge05=BF109e!Turn_Indicator, 495,197,116,116
gauge06=BF109e!Clock, 62,116,72,72
gauge07=P38F_Lightning!Landing-Gear-Flaps-Indicator, 48,221,96,96
gauge08=BF109e!Fuel, 859,190,57,57
gauge09=CFR_FF1, 857,257,66,66
gauge10=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!Tachometer1, 662,68,79,79
gauge11=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!Tachometer2, 756,68,79,79
gauge12=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!ManifoldPressure1, 661,159,79,79
gauge13=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!ManifoldPressure2, 753,159,79,79
gauge14=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!Cylinder Head Temperature 1, 668, 256 ,69,66
gauge15=MAPE_Luft_4Eng!Cylinder Head Temperature 2, 759,256,69,66



[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8191
SIZE_Y=4000

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Will crank out a sound pack for the bird in a bit....based on Lawdog's Stuka sound pack.....really like the way that pack sounds.

OBIO

[falcon409]

I've got several things going on right now including the moving of some archive files, but Ito's airplanes are always fun for me. I'll work my usual changes to get it into FSX (larger textures, different prop blur and redone VC). I do wish Ito would see his way clear to at least do what needs to be done to the prop disc so it doesn't knock out autogen in FSX. That's the only real drawback.

[napamule]

I used F4U sound as it's piston engines. Why stuggle. As for the Luft gauges at SOH here is the shortcut: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/#download .
Chuck B
Napamule

PS: In my haste to post FDEs I left out some of the minor (but important) details. Here they are:

[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
//6=taxi light, 7=recognition light, 8=wing light, 9=logo light
// Z, X, Y
//--- light placement adjustment due to ref datum change ------------
light.0=3, 2.659, 18.684, 1.129, fx_navgre,
light.1=3, 2.659, -18.684, 1.129, fx_navred,
light.2=3, -15.816, 6.309, 2.808, fx_navwh ,
light.3=3, -15.816, -6.309, 2.808, fx_navwhi,

[Views]
eyepoint= 2.490, 0.000, 2.850 //This determines the VC viewpoint

View\Options: //This sets the distance/height/zoom of Spot View
Zoom=1.00
Distance=65
Alt=4

To make sharp turns (SLOW speeds REQUIRED) turn nose wheel all the way and 'Goose'
(Full On then IMEDIATELY Cut) the throttle while using 'Differential Braking'. Repeat as required
to complete turn. Using ANY amount of throttle will over-ride any braking so that won't work.

[Ferry_vO]

Here's some data from my D.23 book:

2 Walter Sagitta engines

Wingspan 11.5 meter
Wing area 18.5 Sq. meter
Length: 10.2 meter
Height: 3.8 meter

Propellor reduction 1:0.666

Service altitude: 4,100 meter
Max power at service altitude: 2x540 hp @ 2,600 rpm
Cruising power: 2x270 hp @ 2,050 rpm

Max. take-off power: 2x465 hp @ 2,600 rpm

Fuel consumption at cruise power: 2x73 kilogram/hour

Empty weight: 2,080 kilogram
Armament: 220 kg
Equipment: 145 kg
Pilot with parachute: 85 kg
Fuel: 290 kg
Oil: 30 kg

Total weight: 2,850 kg

Max. speed @ 4,100 meter: 525 kph
Cruising speed @ 4,100 meter: 390 kph

Range at cruise speed: 780 kilometer
Range with full tanks: 1,020 kilometer

Max. tank capacity: 500 liter

Climb to 1,000 meter: 1.5 minutes
Climb to 2,000 meter: 2.9 Minutes
Climb to 3,000 meter: 4.2 Minutes
Climb to 4,000 meter: 5.5 Minutes
Climb to 4,500 meter: 6.15 Minutes
Climb to 5,000 meter: 6.9 Minutes
Climb to 6,000 meter: 8.6 Minutes
Climb to 7,000 meter: 10.9 Minutes
Climb to 8,000 meter: 14.3 Minutes

Practical Ceiling: 9,300 meter
Max altitude: 9,500 meter
Max altitude on one engine: 5,500 meter

Take off distance with a 2.5 meter/sec headwind: 200 meter
Take off distance with a 2.5 meter/sec headwind to a 15 meter altitude: 440 meter

All this official Fokker data, but I noticed that even in official documents there are slight differences. Only eleven flights were made with the prototype before the invasion.
Test pilot Gerben Sonderman described that the engine torque from the two engines wasn't a problem in flight, but on take off the left brake was used as the aicraft had a tendency to move to the right. Full left rudder was required once the speed built up. Aerobatics were never tried due to the high temps of the aft engine. Reliability was also an issue with the Sagitta's.

[mikezola]

Besides his admission to hating FDEs, has anyone else taken him up on the offer further down in the readme file for the D.XXIII regarding his Bf-109G-6? He says he doesn't plan to release it to the public- just to those who e-mail him about it. Overall (model, FDE, VC) I think it's one of the best jobs he's ever done... Three models (clean, centerline tank, and tank plus gunpods), painted in Finnish colors...

-Mike Z.

[Hurricane91]

I worked on the dynamics...

Hello Chuck,
Your flight dynamics are certainly better than my attempts. The D.XXIII is VERY fast
with all those horses so I toned down the power a bit. Ito-san has made an excellent
model of an airplane I very much admire. Your work gave me a very flyable model, thank
you.

John

[Terry]

Here is another cfg and air file that work very well. You must use both files together. The sound from the He-111-H6 also works well, I dont remember if it came with the model or made by Lawdog.

Did anyone find a better prop file?

[Hurricane91]

Here is another cfg and air file that work very well.

Hello Terry,
I would like to try your setup, but the file posted appears to be all text.
I don't know how to utilize this data. Please advise.

Thank you,
John

[Terry]

Hello Terry,
I would like to try your setup, but the file posted appears to be all text.
I don't know how to utilize this data. Please advise.

Thank you,
John

You cant upload a zip file therefore the use of the TXT extender. Just delete the .TXT then unzip.

[Hurricane91]

You cant upload a zip file therefore the use of the TXT extender. Just delete the .TXT then unzip.

Thank you Terry, I've learned somthing new today. Now to give
it a try...

[Drzook]

I gave it a go with Terry's modded FDE. Still a little hot (333 KIAS at 2000') so I toned down the power and thrust scalars and set them to 1.00. Still takes off in a reasonable amount of space but the top end is only 283 KIAS at 1500'--pretty close to the speeds that Ferry found out.
I also found a BananaBob prop from a Bf109--not sure if completely accurate but it looks good.
As for the sound file, I settled with the default DeHavilland Comet. Engine-wise they are pretty similar--both are inverted and air cooled; the Walter Sagitta just has twice as many cylinders, like the Ranger V-770 but a bit bigger (According to German Wikipedia displacement is somewhere around 1120 cid, just slightly smaller than the Jumo 210 that powered early Bf109's)

[napamule]

John,
Appreciate your comments. It IS overpowered (3850 hp, and thrust=2.0) so it absolutely needed to be toned down. Actually in haste to upload did not set them back. Oh well. What I did not like was that it required +8.0 pitch trim just to fly level. Bogus! Among other things. Next time I'll use a bigger hammer (ha).
Chuck B
Napamule

[Hurricane91]

I gave it a go with Terry's modded FDE. Still a little hot (333 KIAS at 2000')...

Terry's mods give the D.XXIII some nice handling both on the ground and in the air, but I agree that it's still a bit
hot.
Just floundering around, I have tried some changes to Terry's .cfg that seems closer in the speed department
at a maximum of about 280kts indicated between 2000' to 10,000'. At idle, the throttle must be advanced slightly.
So far I have been unable to find correct starter torque value.


[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]
empty_weight=4585//converted from Ferry_vO's data

[piston_engine]
power_scalar=1.15 //reduced slightly.
cylinder_displacement=175.36 //The actual 93.36cu in did not work well.
max_rated_hp=1075.0 //compared to the actual 540hp.
critical_altitude=15000.0 //personal preference. I usually don't fly above this in Golden Wings.

[OBIO]

Using ACM, I was able to get the flight model lined up with the visual model...meaning the wings are now programmed to be where the wings on the plane actually are...and not 6 feet back. The tail is now where the tail of the plane is, not 10 feet behind the plane. This change really made the Fokker D.XXIII much more flyable.

Here's the new Geometry section:

[airplane_geometry]
//ACM_AREAW1// 0,0,0,3.3018,0.7662,0.7662,0,3.1368,1.5324,1.5324
//ACM_AREAW2// 0,2.9716,2.2987,2.2987,0,2.8066,3.0648,3.0648,0,2. 6414
//ACM_AREAW3// 3.8310,3.8310,0,2.4763,4.5974,4.5974,0,2.3113,5.36 35,5.3635
//ACM_AREAW4// 0,2.1461,6.1297,6.1297,0,1.9810,6.8961,6.8961,0,1. 8159
//ACM_AREAH1// 0,0,0,0.6096,0.1014,0.1014,0,0.5791,0.2030,0.2030
//ACM_AREAH2// 0,0.5486,0.3048,0.3048,0,0.5181,0.4063,0.4063,0,0. 4875
//ACM_AREAH3// 0.5080,0.5080,0,0.4571,0.6096,0.6096,0,0.4266,0.71 10,0.7110
//ACM_AREAH4// 0,0.3962,0.8126,0.8126,0,0.3657,0.9143,0.9143,0,0. 3352
//ACM_AREAV1// 0,0,0,2.6919,0.2991,0.2991,0,2.4765,0.5982,0.5982
//ACM_AREAV2// 0,2.2611,0.8973,0.8973,0,2.0457,1.1964,1.1964,0,1. 8305
//ACM_AREAV3// 1.4954,1.4954,0,1.6151,1.7946,1.7946,0,1.3997,2.09 36,2.0936
//ACM_AREAV4// 0,1.1843,2.3928,2.3928,0,0.9689,2.6919,2.6919,0,0. 7537
//ACM_CAREAW1// 3.4479,3.4479,1.6509,2.3113,3.8310,3.8310,1.6509,2 .2783,4.2142,4.2142
//ACM_CAREAW2// 1.6509,2.2453,4.5974,4.5974,1.6509,2.2123,4.9805,4 .9805,1.6509,2.1793
//ACM_CAREAW3// 5.3635,5.3635,1.6509,2.1461,5.7466,5.7466,1.6509,2 .1131,6.1297,6.1297
//ACM_CAREAW4// 1.6509,2.0801,6.5128,6.5128,1.6509,2.0471,6.8961,6 .8961,1.6509,2.0141
//ACM_CAREAH1// 0,0,0.3048,0.6096,0.1014,0.1014,0.3048,0.5942,0.20 30,0.2030
//ACM_CAREAH2// 0.3048,0.5791,0.3048,0.3048,0.3048,0.5637,0.4063,0 .4063,0.3048,0.5486
//ACM_CAREAH3// 0.5080,0.5080,0.3048,0.5332,0.6096,0.6096,0.3048,0 .5181,0.7110,0.7110
//ACM_CAREAH4// 0.3048,0.5029,0.8126,0.8126,0.3048,0.4875,0.9143,0 .9143,0.3048,0.4724
//ACM_CAREAV1// 0,0,0.6729,2.0188,0.2991,0.2991,0.6729,1.9112,0.59 82,0.5982
//ACM_CAREAV2// 0.6729,1.8035,0.8973,0.8973,0.6729,1.6958,1.1964,1 .1964,0.6729,1.5881
//ACM_CAREAV3// 1.4954,1.4954,0.6729,1.4804,1.7946,1.7946,0.6729,1 .3727,2.0936,2.0936
//ACM_CAREAV4// 0.6729,1.2652,2.3928,2.3928,0.6729,1.1575,2.6919,2 .6919,0.6729,1.0498
wing_area = 414.000000
wing_span = 38.71
wing_root_chord = 7.28
wing_dihedral = 7.98
wing_incidence = 0.999756
wing_twist = 0.000000
oswald_efficiency_factor = 0.776629
wing_winglets_flag = 0
wing_sweep = 0
wing_pos_apex_lon = 8.56
wing_pos_apex_vert = -1.37
htail_area = 70.000000
htail_span = 13.07
htail_pos_lon = -10.53
htail_pos_vert = 2.20
htail_incidence = -0.999756
htail_sweep = 0
vtail_area = 60.000000
vtail_span = 5.51
vtail_sweep = 0
vtail_pos_lon = -9.81
vtail_pos_vert = 0
elevator_area = 14.000000
aileron_area = 22.000000
rudder_area = 12.000000
elevator_up_limit = 26.000825
elevator_down_limit = 26.000825
aileron_up_limit = 21.497376
aileron_down_limit = 20.345731
rudder_limit = 28.997394
elevator_trim_limit = 19.996227
spoiler_limit = 89.954374
aileron_to_spoileron_gain = 0.000000
spoiler_handle_available = 1
min_ailerons_for_spoilerons = 0.000000
min_flaps_for_spoilerons = 0.000000
spoilerons_available = 0

[Hurricane91]

Hey OBIO,
Thank you for the geometry changes, handling is much improved.

The following changes from my previous mods of Terry's mods give
the airplane an maximum indicated airspeed of 286 kts (329mph)
at 6000'. Fairly close to the published top speed of 326mph.

[piston_engine]
power_scalar=1.18

[propeller]
thrust_scalar=1.18

[Sunny9850]

You cant upload a zip file therefore the use of the TXT extender. Just delete the .TXT then unzip.

One small tip / request would be to use .bbb or something like that instead of .txt to avoid the issues some W7 / Firefox users have with the added extension.
Depending on the system settings it is nearly impossible to tell Windows that the file is really not a text document. You can change the name....but the extension you really want to get rid off is not
accessible.

Cheers
Stefan

[Drzook]

Tried the modded FDE file with Terry's as a base, OBIO's geometry and Hurricane 91's detail changes. Not bad. Not bad at all. My only gripe (if you can call it that) is that the acceleration seems a bit...spirited. 0-60 kts in about 4 seconds? I mean, that's supercar territory. Acceleration tapers off dramatically after 200 kts but I'm not sure that a plane that was considered underpowered could get up and at 'em that quick. Maybe we should tweak the weight?
Anyway, a couple of screenies (using that BananaBob 109 prop and default Comet sounds)...
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[Hurricane91]

...the acceleration seems a bit...spirited. 0-60 kts in about 4 seconds? I mean, that's supercar territory.

:icon_lol:
Yes, I noticed that. I will try Terry's .cfg without my changes and see if I can figure out what may be the cause. Please keep
in mind that I do not have a good understanding of FS flight dynamics, just tinker and cross my fingers. But I have fun and
sometimes even learn something (if only I could remember what it was).

[Terry]

:icon_lol:
Yes, I noticed that. I will try Terry's .cfg without my changes and see if I can figure out what may be the cause. Please keep
in mind that I do not have a good understanding of FS flight dynamics, just tinker and cross my fingers. But I have fun and
sometimes even learn something (if only I could remember what it was).

I thought it a little hot also but the top end seemed about right. I dont really know how to change the bottom end without affecting the top.
For my own use I simply keep the throttle out of the firewall at roll out.

If you have Nicks propwash effects, I added them to the cfg file. Just add this to the last VCOCKPIT header in panel cfg. gauge00=nn-gauges!MultiPropDustFXcontrol.xml, 0,0

[mikezola]

It looks like I'm not the only one with throttle questions...

I made my FDE files by splicing in the piston engine parameters into the air and config files, then plugging in geometry values that I found that were the same as Ferry's info. I also calculated values for areas and locations based on a 3-view, and determining where Ito's datum is located. Between that and tweaking contact points, I was happy with the result for the most part. BUT....

I also noticed that she bolts out of the gate pretty quickly. I could have sworn that there was a parameter somewhere in the air file that controlled throttle response, which should tame that characteristic down- but I can't find it or remember it.

Also, my best airspeed seems to be down on the deck (yes, I'm watching true airspeed, not indicated). I set the power to deliver an airspeed of about 290 mph at low altitude. At that power setting, my airspeed only falls off as my altitude increases, where I was expecting the airspeed to peak somewhere around its 'service altitude' of approx. 4km. before falling off as I approach the 9.3km ceiling, which somehow I've managed to maintain fairly closely.

I currently don't have supercharging enabled, but at this point I may try it as a workaround to more closely matching the power output at altitude.

Anyone else have any suggestions?

Thanks- Mike

[Drzook]

...I currently don't have supercharging enabled, but at this point I may try it as a workaround to more closely matching the power output at altitude...

From what limited research I did into the Walter Sagitta engine (German Wikipedia) the stats there implied there was at least a single stage supercharger; there was a line that roughly translated to blower ratio (it was around 8:1), so I would say it's a safe bet there was a supercharger on this engine. As for critical altitude I'd put that around 4500 meters (about 14,750 feet) since that was where it was making the most power at the highest altitude which logically would give one the fastest speed.
Hope this helps. :kilroy:

[Ferry_vO]

According to the German Wiki (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Sagitta) the Sagitta did have a compressor with a critical altitude of 2,000 meters. Note that the Wiki discusses the 1RC, while the D.XXIII had two 1SR's.
Strangely no mention in the book about superchargers or turbo's..

[mikezola]

Now that makes more sense! I started with a critical altitude of about 14,000 ft, and although I began to get the increased speed at altitude I was looking for, the ceiling was still way too high- even after lowering the critical alt. to 9000 ft. I could still attain a 39,000 ft. ceiling. I'll get it yet...

Thanks for the info! -Mike Z.

[mikezola]

I think I have it pretty close to the specs- here they are for anyone inclined to try them out...

Besides the performance specs and geometry, contact points and scrape points have been tweaked and augmented- she'll belly-land if need be. I also found out the answer to something I found while looking at paint schemes online- the insignia and number Ito painted on this plane was applied to the prototype in June 1940- previously it had the number 'X-4' instead of the triangles, stripes, and number.

Enjoy! -Mike

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Once downloaded, rename the files by deleting the '.txt' from each name...

[SgtT]

Mike,

Thanks, they work like a charm. I'm enjoying flying this aircraft.

T.

[Drzook]

...
6750067501

Once downloaded, rename the files by deleting the '.txt' from each name...
I tried that but for some reason when I download the files there is no .txt extension and it is showing as a text file. I've tried saving it as a .txt file and as 'all files'. What am I doing wrong?
edit: also tried saving as a zip file but i cannot change from zip to air or cfg file

[Matt Wynn]

well i've started work on the paintkit for it... starting with X-4 (how the D.XXIII was registered in 1939), colours are being changed to more historically accurate Olijfgroen, Roodbruin and Zandkleurig... i think my fellow Simmers in the NL will understand those colours (though they're easy to understand Olive Green, Red-Brown (Auburn) and Sand Colour) :icon_lol:

still a long way to go but..... here's how she currently sits;

[Ferry_vO]

:ernae::jump::applause::icon29::medals::guinness:: redfire:

Thanks Matt!!



I tried that but for some reason when I download the files there is no .txt extension and it is showing as a text file. I've tried saving it as a .txt file and as 'all files'. What am I doing wrong?


Same problem here..

[Navtech]

Thanks Matt!!


I tried that but for some reason when I download the files there is no .txt extension and it is showing as a text file. I've tried saving it as a .txt file and as 'all files'. What am I doing wrong?


Same problem here..

I have no problems

[mikezola]

Hmmmm... I just tried downloading them myself and it worked like a charm- for each one, I clicked on it, chose the 'save' option, saved it to a place of my choice, then renamed it without a glitch...

Matt- thanks in advance for the repainting work- I picked up a bunch of swatches and things from Simmers' Paint Shop as I contemplated doing the same thing. I still may use them on Ito's Fokker G.1, as he used pretty much the same colors on it that he used on this work...

-Mike Z.

[Matt Wynn]

no problem, just getting the groundwork in then i can set about breathing life into it with the weathering... currently panel-lining the wings ready for them to get camouflage... then onto the booms and then i can set about weathering! :jump:

[huub vink]

Thanks Matt, as the aircraft was a prototype I don't think it was very weathered.

Cheers,
Huub

[Matt Wynn]

yeah i think it only ever wore those 2 schemes 'X-4' and '998'... but i might just have to dirty it up as though it had seen use as well as keep a cleaner one... :salute:

[Hurricane91]

I think I have it pretty close to the specs-...

Thank you Mike. Nicely done and closer yet. More fighter-like.

[Matt Wynn]

and the lines are pretty much on, just gotta line up the camo then add a very slight bit of weathering and she should be good to go then (Apart from other minor things).... will keep working away.... :salute: oh and ignore the missing trim-tab... my viewer decided to omit it

[Hurricane91]

...still a long way to go but..... here's how she currently sits;

That is going to look stunning Matt. Thank you for working up a new paint and kit.

[Hurricane91]

...will keep working away.... :salute:

Whoa! That looks marvelous Matt!

[Cees Donker]

That is going to look stunning Matt. Thank you for working up a new paint and kit.

It sure looks stunning!


Cees

[Cees Donker]

Putting these files in place eliminates My VC textures and the gauges are not there anymore! What is happening? Any ideas?

Cees




I think I have it pretty close to the specs- here they are for anyone inclined to try them out...

Besides the performance specs and geometry, contact points and scrape points have been tweaked and augmented- she'll belly-land if need be. I also found out the answer to something I found while looking at paint schemes online- the insignia and number Ito painted on this plane was applied to the prototype in June 1940- previously it had the number 'X-4' instead of the triangles, stripes, and number.

Enjoy! -Mike

6750067501

Once downloaded, rename the files by deleting the '.txt' from each name...

[stuartcox]

I was having problems myself finding a way to re-name Terry's FDE files, so here's is a conventional zip version.
Mike's FDE's haven't been tested yet, but I will give it a go.
Thanks to Tim for the updated geometry section.

Looking forward to your paint Job Matt!!!

Cheers, Stuart

[Ferry_vO]

Thanks Matt, as the aircraft was a prototype I don't think it was very weathered.


It hardly had time to get weathered; eleven flights, with a total of 3.38 hours..

[Ferry_vO]

yeah i think it only ever wore those 2 schemes 'X-4' and '998'...

The first paint was the mock up model, in camo colours only. During the Paris show the rudders had the rudders painted like the Dutch flag; red, white and blue. No further markings.
Next was the 'X-4' which had the camo scheme with the white X-4 markings on booms and wings.
The '998' had a camo base with '998' on the booms and the white stripes with black edges on the orange rudders (Outside only) and wingtips. I have found no photos that suggest the aircraft had the orange triangles like Ito painted.

[Matt Wynn]

Thanks Ferry! all noted down :salute:

just starting to blur things down a bit now....

[mikezola]

Putting these files in place eliminates My VC textures and the gauges are not there anymore! What is happening? Any ideas?

Cees
Hello Cees,
Remove the '1' from the panel entry in the header of the aircraft.cfg file. I had it in there because I was fooling about with my panel... my apologies!

-Mike Z.

p.s. Looking sweet, Matt!

[Cees Donker]

Hello Cees,
Remove the '1' from the panel entry in the header of the aircraft.cfg file. I had it in there because I was fooling about with my panel... my apologies!

-Mike Z.

p.s. Looking sweet, Matt!

LOL! Thanks Mike!

Cees

[Matt Wynn]

well the mock up is now flying.... now onto with the Dutch flag on the outer rudders... oh and finish the rudder 'ribbing' and prop disc i'm working on, other changes include the VC having been toned down a slight bit, and some shading added to the pilot :salute:

[Ferry_vO]

You work fast Matt! :applause:

Double checked my book: by the time the mock up arrived in Paris Both sides of the rudders had the Dutch flag painted on it, on the outsides it had the Fokker logo on the fin in front of the white part, with presumably "D.XXIII" below it, but I can't quite see that clearly. The propellors had what appeared to be a natural metal colour on the outside and black on the insides. X-4 had two dark (Brown?) spinners, but 889 appears to have a much lighter colour spinner in the rear.

[Matt Wynn]

ok thanks Ferry, will amend as necessary :salute:

[mikezola]

At first, I thought Ferry was right- I realized that, although there were lots of profiles and drawings of '998' with the triangles, there were no actual photographs... then I stumbled on a website call www.letletlet-warplanes.com (http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com) and found this:
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I'll grant you that it's not the best view, but look on the upper surface of the port wing and I think you'll see the lower half of the triangle...
Another picture they had answers the discussion about supercharging:
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Sure looks like a little blower to me, with an intake in the leading edge...

What do you all think?

-Mike Z.

[Matt Wynn]

judging by the angles visible, it sure doesn't look like camouflage, i'll do a version with and without :salute:

[Ferry_vO]

It is hard to tell, and photos of the 889 are very rare, but I have the same photo as mike but bigger (And for some reason in reverse) and I don't see it as a triangle. The orange triangles had the straight edge on the leading edge of the wing and the point towards the trailing edge. And if you compare one side of the wing to the other it appears they each point in a different direction.
Maybe it only had a triangle on the left wing, there's a shadow in the photo or the camo had a darker outline aorund the brown and green? Hard to tell from those few photos, almost all taken from that angle.

As for Mike's second photo: It's not a supercharger or turbo, but a bullet transportation device! To save space Fokker designed this system where the rounds are fed through the wing standing upright before being tilted and fed into the guns in the boom. Quite complex and I don't know if it was ever tested.

[Matt Wynn]

X-4, sat at one of my testing bases waiting for it's stablemates.... :salute:

[Ferry_vO]

Sweet Matt! :applause:

The gunsight was never fitted to the prototype, only to the mock up it seems. One thing that's missing though is a steel bar that ran across the engine outlet just below the windscreen on the right side of the prototype. (Left side too maybe, but very photos survive of that side of the aircraft..). To prevent the pilot from getting chopped up by the rear prop he would have to climb out of the cockpit (In case of emergency) and use this bar to climb down so he could get out of reach of that prop!

Edit: Both sides, you can clearly see it here :http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/pictures/Fokker/Military/Fokker%20D23%20Soesterberg.JPG

[Matt Wynn]

only really missing the 'Fokker' on the tail of 1 of them....

[Ferry_vO]

Dang that's quick! :applause:

Here's the logo you are looking for:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/fokker20logo_1.jpg

[falcon409]

Awesome job as always Matt. Your WIP shot on FB showed something I have yet to be able to get to work. . .the flaps. I have the flaps mapped to a button on my CH throttle, but I can't get them to deploy on this airplane. Your WIP shot shows them open. . . .how?

[falcon409]

. . . . . .One thing that's missing though is a steel bar that ran across the engine outlet just below the windscreen on the right side of the prototype. (Left side too maybe, but very photos survive of that side of the aircraft..). To prevent the pilot from getting chopped up by the rear prop he would have to climb out of the cockpit (In case of emergency) and use this bar to climb down so he could get out of reach of that prop!. . . . . .
Can you imaging having to navigate that procedure in a real emergency? Good Grief! Sounds more like something they came up with just prior to flight tests. . . . ."uh. . .by the way. . .if I have to bail out of this thing. . . .you know, with that rear prop and all. . . .anybody got any ideas"? lol

[Matt Wynn]

the flaps are down in ModelConverterX, i haven't spent enough time in sim in it yet to check their operation... just about to upload the package for you to play with (with Fokker Logo) :salute:

[falcon409]

the flaps are down in ModelConverterX, . . . . . .
Ah yea, forgot they do that when imported. I'll keep messin' with em'. . .thanks!

[Matt Wynn]

well erm.... someone ended up in England with the thing, needless to say 'Crab Air' have already been slapping paint onto it....

[gaucho_59]

ok thanks Ferry, will amend as necessary :salute:

A the start of the thread there is picture of a rudimentary VC... but the file for this aircraft I was
able to download from AVsim is just an iteration of the old Ito model...
Where can one download a file with the vc as shown??? Also, Matt, did you redid the whole aircraft as
it so appears on your WIP takes? Please advise...:wavey:

[Drzook]

I got MikeZola's air and cfg files working; turns out I had to set up the folder where the files went so it would show extensions. At that point it was cake.
All in all the files are pretty good but still a bit hot in the initial acceleration--I feel like I could take on a Bugatti Veryon on the runway. Acceleration still falls off dramatically after 150-175 kts and that's not bad. Top end is pretty close to what the real thing could do--somewhere around 280 kts--and that is faster than the aforementioned Veryon ;)
I did put on differential braking to help with maneuvering on the tarmac
(add this line to the .cfg file under [brakes]: differential_braking_scale = 1.0)

[Drzook]

I do have a sort of a technical question about the Fokker D.XXIII...
That cylindrical thing right behind the pilot...is that really the gas tank? Gives me the heebie-jeebies thinking of that much avgas sitting right behind me.:pop4:
Also, I think the whole rear prop and bailing out issue was addressed with the Do-335 Pfeil...while there was an ejection seat didn't the prop blades detach via explosive charge? Or am I thinking of another aircraft with a pusher prop?

[OBIO]

A the start of the thread there is picture of a rudimentary VC... but the file for this aircraft I was
able to download from AVsim is just an iteration of the old Ito model...
Where can one download a file with the vc as shown??? Also, Matt, did you redid the whole aircraft as
it so appears on your WIP takes? Please advise...:wavey:

gaucho

Head over to Flightsim.com and do a search for fokker_dxxiii.zip. This is the package being shown in this thread.

OBIO

[Drzook]

...has anyone else taken him up on the offer further down in the readme file for the D.XXIII regarding his Bf-109G-6? He says he doesn't plan to release it to the public- just to those who e-mail him about it. Overall (model, FDE, VC) I think it's one of the best jobs he's ever done... Three models (clean, centerline tank, and tank plus gunpods), painted in Finnish colors...

-Mike Z.
I just did. Niiice, very niiice. :ernae: The HUD in the gunsight is a very nice touch in light of his views.:applause: It's good to see him back in the saddle making planes.:engel016:

[mikezola]

First, thank you Ferry- I never would have guessed that photo was actually showing a feeding mechanism for the machine gun... if they tested it, that would have had to be interesting...

Falcon- enter a pressure into the hydraulics section of aircraft.cfg and the flaps will work (Ito's left that out before)...

Matt- those paint jobs look superb! Speaking of what-if schemes, did you notice the decal kits for models of this thing that offer KNIL and captured Japanese markings?

Drzook- If you like the Gustav out of the box, go into aircraft.cfg, edit the piston engine section to bring it more in line to DB 605 specs ( for some reason, it's a little de-tuned compared to other 109's I looked at), and add a flight tuning section so you can increase aileron and elevator effectiveness-
the result flies as nice as any 109 available!

-Mike Z.

[falcon409]

Thanks Mike. . .I didn't post this, but I did get it working and I believe it was after I installed one of the tweaks posted here. I did a "what-if" scheme of my own using a "splinter camo" pattern. Probably not correct, but no one else will see it "in-sim" except me, soooooo, lol. It is for FSX so it utilizes the high-res capabilities of FSX (4096x4096) and "dds-dxt5". A shame Ito doesn't allow anything except 256 color for his textures. Keeps a lot of really nice resolution liveries from going public.

[mikezola]

That paint looks nice, Falcon... how do you deal with that prop in FSX???? I tried it once- when I saw all the autogen wiped out behind the prop disc I shelved the idea...

[falcon409]

That paint looks nice, Falcon... how do you deal with that prop in FSX???? I tried it once- when I saw all the autogen wiped out behind the prop disc I shelved the idea...
Thanks Mike, on the prop problem in FSX. . . .I just ignore it, lol. Nothing can be done about it as it's in the model and Ito isn't inclined to change the way he does that so I just try not to let it bother me too much, lol. I don't spend a lot of time outside the VC so I rarely see the problem all that much anyway.

Also spruced up the VC a bit as well:

[Matt Wynn]

hopefully the Dutch paints should be available later today, on my list to do are RAF, RHAF (Royal Hellenic Air Force), Captured (Luftwaffe markings), USAAC, and RCAF, might also do a few civvy schemes.... :salute:

[Hurricane91]

Also spruced up the VC a bit as well:

Nicely done Ed. Do you have that in 1024?

[Cees Donker]

Thanks Mike, on the prop problem in FSX. . . .I just ignore it, lol. Nothing can be done about it as it's in the model and Ito isn't inclined to change the way he does that so I just try not to let it bother me too much, lol. I don't spend a lot of time outside the VC so I rarely see the problem all that much anyway.

Also spruced up the VC a bit as well:

That's looking great!


Cees

[Hurricane91]

well erm.... someone ended up in England with the thing, needless to say 'Crab Air' have already been slapping paint onto it....

The XXIII may have ended up at Farnborough, but I don't know what else may have been applied other
than the camo and sundry British markings. Air Ministry Number?

[mikezola]

Definitely a nice job on the VC, Falcon... which gauges are you using? I was contemplating trying to use gauges from the Koolhoven FK58 sometime... after all, I figured, Dutch gauges for a Dutch aircraft...

[gaucho_59]

Thanks Mike, on the prop problem in FSX. . . .I just ignore it, lol. Nothing can be done about it as it's in the model and Ito isn't inclined to change the way he does that so I just try not to let it bother me too much, lol. I don't spend a lot of time outside the VC so I rarely see the problem all that much anyway.

Also spruced up the VC a bit as well:

This progress got me inspired to do some "scratch" bezels... that can be used for either mlx textures... or 2D panels...
I can make them available in dds, bmp, extended bmp or whatever format to spruce up either 2d or Vc panels...
just let me know...
by the way... I downloaded the aircraft from flighsim.com but like I stated before... either I am blind or there is no
VC files in it... just the old Ito style rudimentary 2D panel...


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[falcon409]

The VC panel is on the "cockpit.bmp" texture. There is a VC section in the panel.cfg file as well:

[Vcockpit01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=948,348
visible=1
pixel_size=1024,1024s
texture=$G1_Mat
gauge00=P38F_Lightning!Landing-Gear-Flaps-Indicator, 54,227,83,82
gauge01=Maule_M7_260C!altimeter, 186,37,115,114
gauge02=Maule_M7_260C!attitude, 334,38,129,129
gauge03=Maule_M7_260C!vsi, 496,42,109,109
gauge04=Maule_M7_260C!turn_bank, 500,199,105,105
gauge05=Maule_M7_260C!clock, 69,120,60,60
gauge06=Maule_M7_260C!rpm, 669,73,66,66
gauge07=Maule_M7_260C!rpm, 763,72,66,66
gauge08=Maule_M7_260C!manifold_press, 669,164,64,65
gauge09=Maule_M7_260C!manifold_press, 761,165,64,64
gauge10=200D!hsi, 350,210,117,117
gauge11=200D!airspeed, 190,195,111,111
gauge12=200D!Amps, 674,260,58,56
gauge13=200D!Fuel_Quantity, 863,193,50,49
gauge14=SimIcons1024!ATC Icon, 678, 33 ,19,19
gauge15=SimIcons1024!GPS Icon, 701,33,19,19
gauge16=SimIcons1024!Map Icon, 724,33,19,19
gauge17=SimIcons1024!Kneeboard Icon, 747,33,19,19
gauge18=MAI-890!cyl_temp, 759,256,69,66
gauge19=MAI-890!cyl_temp, 857,257,66,66

:salute:

[falcon409]

Definitely a nice job on the VC, Falcon... which gauges are you using? I was contemplating trying to use gauges from the Koolhoven FK58 sometime... after all, I figured, Dutch gauges for a Dutch aircraft...
Thanks Mike. . .gauges, you can see from the panel config entry I posted for gaucho that I use just about anything that's available, lol. Never a concern about authenticity with me, lol.:salute:

[Cees Donker]

Waiting for the new paintjob by Matt. Must admitt the orange is a real Dutch color!

Cees

[Matt Wynn]

another one nearly ready for flight tests.... well after i fit a standard black prop most likely

[Cees Donker]

Wow!

:applause::applause::applause::applause:


Cees

[falcon409]

another one nearly ready for flight tests.... well after i fit a standard black prop most likely
Extraordinary talent Matt. Beautiful work to be sure!:applause::applause:

[Matt Wynn]

ok... and thats an evaluation bird done for the RAF... onto the next.... :jump:

[Ferry_vO]

That VC would be nice to have for Fs9 as well! I bumped up the gauge resolution from 512 to 1024 but of course the original turboprop instruments are still there.

For sounds I'm using Lawdog2360's Westland Whirlwind sounds. The RR Peregrines in that aircraft are watercooled and more powerful than the Sagitta, but so far I haven't found anything for an inverted, aircooled V12.

[Hurricane91]

Waiting for the new paintjob by Matt. Must admitt the orange is a real Dutch color!

Cees

Hi Cees,
Where is that D.XXIII stationed in your screen?

[Cees Donker]

Hi Cees,
Where is that D.XXIII stationed in your screen?

Hehe! Thought you´d never ask! That will be Soesterberg before 1940. I´m working on it when I have time.

Cees

[Matt Wynn]

well with all these little Fokkers *Sniggers* it was inevitable the Luftwaffe got hold of one for trials.... gonna do 2 versions of this one, one with and without the Hakenkreuze on the tail :salute:

[Cees Donker]

It's been a long time since I checked the uploads section every hour as I do now for Matt's repaints!

Cees

[Matt Wynn]

well that's 4 fictional done... 2 x RAF, and 2 x Luftwaffe... now onto the next one.... :jump:

they'll be up soon i hope Cees, the Dutch ones at least... fictional ones i'll upload when i get done :salute:

[Milton Shupe]

Excellent work Matt, and interested tweakers. :-) Looking sweet!

Has anyone got the suspension to work? Seemed frozen on my version.

[Matt Wynn]

slightly later in the war.... a fictional USAAF Weather Recon Bird....

[Hurricane91]

Hehe! Thought you´d never ask! That will be Soesterberg before 1940. I´m working on it when I have time.

Cees

Ah yes, now I remember. I knew you were working on it, but not sure of the current status. Thanks for the update. I like to
tour the Dutch bases in the D.XVI, not neccessarily taking the direct route. :o)

[Hurricane91]

slightly later in the war.... a fictional USAAF Weather Recon Bird....

Jeez Matt, do you ever sleep?

[Hurricane91]

It's been a long time since I checked the uploads section every hour as I do now for Matt's repaints!

Cees

Same here.

[Terry]

Excellent work Matt, and interested tweakers. :-) Looking sweet!

Has anyone got the suspension to work? Seemed frozen on my version.

Did you remove the locking pins before takeoff? :bump:

[Matt Wynn]

Jeez Matt, do you ever sleep?

occasionally.... :icon_lol: normally after 3 hours sleep i'm bright eyed and bushy tailed.... i had 7hrs last night so as a result everyone is diving from cover because of my state of alertness :icon_lol:

just adding the Invasion stripes to this USAAF one :salute:

[Ferry_vO]

well with all these little Fokkers *Sniggers* it was inevitable the Luftwaffe got hold of one for trials.... gonna do 2 versions of this one, one with and without the Hakenkreuze on the tail :salute:

About two weeks after the German invasion a group of Germans from the RLM visited the Fokker factory with a special interest in the D.XXIII mainly because of the nose wheel landing gear and the push/pull prop setup (Maybe it's the father of the Do-335..?). Fokker was ordered to repair the D.XXIII, because it had suffered some shrapnel damage during the bombing of Schiphol, as the Germans intended to bring it to Rechlin for testing. Fokker did sent a bill to Germany but never got a response, so the D.XXIII was stored, and later scrapped (Somewhere in '42 or early '43.). Rumours that the Germans flew the D.XXIII aren't true.

Another interesting story: Bob Williams, Cessna's test pilot, commented in a Dutch newspaper in 1967 that the 337 Super Skymaster reminded him of the D.XXIII!
Typically the 337 initially had the same rear engine cooling problems as the D.XXIII had...

[Matt Wynn]

well that's the USAAF one done.... onto the Royal Canadian Air Force one....

[Matt Wynn]

ok... decided on 1 more US Themed one..... NOW onto RCAF

[Matt Wynn]

.... aand another, skipping forwards a few years again....

[Matt Wynn]

ok uploaded the next so that's up to 12 paints now :salute: pack 2 has 2 x USAAF versions, 2 x RAF versions, 2 x Luftwaffe versions and a simple silver RCAF bird....

[falcon409]

ok uploaded the next so that's up to 12 paints now :salute: pack 2 has 2 x USAAF versions, 2 x RAF versions, 2 x Luftwaffe versions and a simple silver RCAF bird....
Awesome job Matt. Thanks for the entire series of repaints...well done!
:salute:

[Matt Wynn]

Awesome job Matt. Thanks for the entire series of repaints...well done!
:salute:

many thanks Ed.... i ain't done yet.... now gonna start some fictionally privately owned examples :icon_lol:

toss in your ideas folks, order book is on my counter in my paint hangar :salute:

[wbuchart]

Hi Matt, I'm a fan of your work and these look really cool, I'm looking forward to downloading these. I think your choice in paint schemes is is already about perfect. BUT, since you asked for requests, would you consider a USAAF bare metal paint?

Thank you very much....


Bill

[Matt Wynn]

Hi Matt, I'm a fan of your work and these look really cool, I'm looking forward to downloading these. I think your choice in paint schemes is is already about perfect. BUT, since you asked for requests, would you consider a USAAF bare metal paint?

Thank you very much....


Bill

bare metal should be do-able... i'll take a look :salute:

[Matt Wynn]

ok 1 'Metal' D.XXIII started....:salute: the Canadian roundels will come off next and the wings done.... :kilroy:

[Cees Donker]

Matt, your repaints are still not on the server. Did you upload these elsewhere too?

Cees

[Hurricane91]

...toss in your ideas folks, order book is on my counter in my paint hangar :salute:

I would like to see a standard Dutch version with pre-October 1939 roundels and tricolor rudders.

[Drzook]

many thanks Ed.... i ain't done yet.... now gonna start some fictionally privately owned examples :icon_lol:

toss in your ideas folks, order book is on my counter in my paint hangar :salute:

I would think a National Air Races scheme from 1939 or so would be cool. The winner of the Bendix that year was flying a civilianized P-35; I think the Fokker D.XXIII would give it a run for its money. Fighter planes from other countries was nothing new either; after all Poland had a P.6 at the 1931 NAR.
http://www.airrace.com/1939NAR.htm

[Matt Wynn]

Cees, only place i have uploaded so far is here... 2 packs, one with the Dutch 5, the other with Fictional 7... although looking at it i forgot to recolour the spinner on one of the dutch ones, will work a fix up for that... odd they haven't appeared yet...

an air racer would be good, and so would a tricolour Dutch one... will add them to my list, will continue once i wake up.... been on the go more or less 3 days solid doing various things... fun but not at the end when you feel like you've got sawdust in your throat, a blocked nose and are on your chinstraps :icon_lol:

EDIT: Uploading Both packs to Flightsim.com now

[falcon409]

Looking at possibly uploading the VC changes I made. Is 1024x1024 the largest that FS9 allows or will it go to 2048x2048? By the time I resize the 4096x4096 textures down to 1024, well. . . .I can't vouch for how good they'll look in sim.

[Milton Shupe]

2048 is possible but not without some adjustments. 1024 is best for everyone.

[Milton Shupe]

Matt, your repaints are still not on the server. Did you upload these elsewhere too?

Cees

Matt's paints are here: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links_search.php?action=show&userid=77876&sort=d

[Hurricane91]

Looking at possibly uploading the VC changes I made. Is 1024x1024 the largest that FS9 allows or will it go to 2048x2048? By the time I resize the 4096x4096 textures down to 1024, well. . . .I can't vouch for how good they'll look in sim.

As far as I know, 1024 is the max in FS9. If you like, I can take a look at your cockpit bmp in the sim.

[Matt Wynn]

thanks Milton! :salute:

[Cees Donker]

Matt's paints are here: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links_search.php?action=show&userid=77876&sort=d

Not of the D.XXIII that he uploaded yesterday................


:kilroy:

Cees

[Terry]

Milton,

As a serious response to your question about compressing gear, I don't think Mr. Ito modeled the gear struts to compress. When I tried it on the nose gear the wheel simply sunk into the runway instead of compressing the strut. What's your opinion?

[OBIO]

Milton

I agree with Terry....Ito simply did not animate the gear for compression. I tried adjusting the values and all I ended up with were tires that sank into the runway.

OBIO

[falcon409]

I have packaged the VC in several options that I hope will allow everyone to use it. As I mentioned before. . .I don't know what this will look like in FS9 as it was reduced 50% for one version and 25% of the original size for the other version. If you find it usable great, if not. . .dump it, it won't bother me at all.

https://www.box.com/s/45e6b1ed70dafcce5b8c

There is a readme in the zipfile. Do yourselves a favor and read it. You have several options, all explained in the readme. Enjoy!:salute:

[Hurricane91]

Thank you Ed, that really looks great! Both sizes worked for me, the only thing I noticed was that the floor
does not appear the same as in the FSX screen you posted. Not a problem though, very nice indeed. Below
is a 1024x1024...

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[falcon409]

Glad it worked. The flooring was an effect from Paint Shop Pro that was lost with the reduction. Also, I noticed that the rivets I added to the interior canopy frame are not there. . .then I realized that those where on a different texture.:salute:

[wbuchart]

Milton

I agree with Terry....Ito simply did not animate the gear for compression. I tried adjusting the values and all I ended up with were tires that sank into the runway.

OBIO

If you set your view up close (30 to 35 feet) then if you take off on a very low angle incline you can see the wheel struts dropping down (the front much more than the back). When you land (gently) the struts compress all the way and not recovering. (They were acting like the shock on 18 year my old Ranger, old and wore out.) I don't know if it matters but for reference I'm using Terry's FDE with Obios updates.

Bill

[gaucho_59]

Glad it worked. The flooring was an effect from Paint Shop Pro that was lost with the reduction. Also, I noticed that the rivets I added to the interior canopy frame are not there. . .then I realized that those where on a different texture.:salute:


Looks nice... by the way... I finally found the VC as Obio told me... however...
the canopy framework... where is it? would like to put proper perspective to it...

[gaucho_59]

Thank you Ed, that really looks great! Both sizes worked for me, the only thing I noticed was that the floor
does not appear the same as in the FSX screen you posted. Not a problem though, very nice indeed. Below
is a 1024x1024...

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I have reworked the cockpit texture... but cannot see the framing anywhere!67665

[falcon409]

Looks nice... by the way... I finally found the VC as Obio told me... however...
the canopy framework... where is it? would like to put proper perspective to it...
The texture is fuselage01.bmp at the bottom. Both interior and exterior are right there.

[napamule]

Quote:
''Milton
...... I tried adjusting the values and all I ended up with were tires that sank into the runway.
OBIO''

Remember that the value/position of the ref datum in aircraft cfg must be taken into account when you tweak the cnt pts. If you take the cnt pts from my FDEs and add it to Ito's (or anyone's else) FDEs you must make allowances for the DIFFERENCE in 'ref datum position' in (Weight & Balance) section. If you don't, then yes, the wheels might be 'sunk' into the ground. Change the compression ratio and again, the wheels might be sunk. It's all 'inter-related' and an adjustment to ref datum, or compression ratio, or wheel postion MIGHT require you to make adjustments to the cnt pts values for longitudial position, and/or vertical position. The 'trial & error' that follows has always been part of the game. The 'trick' is knowing what to move, and which way.
Chuck B
Napamule

[Cees Donker]

The package is still not up? Is there a problem we should know of? I have never experienced a two days delay after an upload! Could someone shed some light on this please?



Cees

[falcon409]

The package is still not up? Is there a problem we should know of? I have never experienced a two days delay after an upload! Could someone shed some light on this please?
Cees
Yea, there have been a few things loaded but I don't know how long they were in the pipeline before making it. Maybe Rami's got a backlog due to the archive move and getting all that taken care of. Otherwise we could see them on flightsim.com before they show up here.

[Milton Shupe]

Rami said that he was limiting his moderating of new files to 200 per day (after doing several 300+ file days). We got through the 4700 file moves (plus several hundred FS8 files) in roughly 10 days thanks to the volunteers who helped. Today marks day 18 for him so roughly 3600 files he has moderated and 1100 left to go. For those of us who were doing the library moves investing 1.5 and up to 8 hours per day, we understand the commitment it takes to get through this effort. The files will come in due time. Thanks for understanding. :wavey:

[Cees Donker]

Thanks Matt! Also for a gorgeous VC! Man what difference! Texturing does a lot! Best work of Kazunori so far!

Cees

[Matt Wynn]

not a problem Cees :salute: enjoy her everyone, i'll be getting back to paints after my chase plane is finished up :wiggle:

[falcon409]

Just a HU, Matt's awesome repaints are up on flightsim.com!!:salute:

[wbuchart]

Great job on the D.XXIII paints!

[Hurricane91]

Excellent work Matt, Many thanks.

John

[Terry]

Thanks Matt, nice work.

[Drzook]

Thank you Matt for the great repaints!:ernae:
Here's a shot of me over Holland...Michigan.:kilroy:67762

[mikezola]

What they said! Thanks, Matt! Excellent job!

-Mike Z.

[Matt Wynn]

no problem guys, glad you're enjoying them :salute:

[Cees Donker]

Mike,

You did an excellent job too with the Flight model! Flies great!


Thank you!

Cees

[Matt Wynn]

remember though guys i've still gotta correct the spinners on a couple of the Dutch ones, but i hope you understand that those'll have to wait while i work on Miltons 'Rounder' :salute:

[stuartcox]

These are really outstanding!
Thanks a lot Matt :-)
My favourites are the fictional repaints - especially the RAF models.
Here at Duxford with black props:
Cheers again, Stuart :icon29:

[gaucho_59]

remember though guys i've still gotta correct the spinners on a couple of the Dutch ones, but i hope you understand that those'll have to wait while i work on Miltons 'Rounder' :salute:

I am doing some repaints of my own on this bird... There seems to be an "on the model" area on the rear engine side vents or air intakes... just aft and below the cockpit that I cannot paint over.... how did you get rid of it?id you reverse-engineered the model?

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[falcon409]

I am doing some repaints of my own on this bird... There seems to be an "on the model" area on the rear engine side vents or air intakes... just aft and below the cockpit that I cannot paint over.... how did you get rid of it?id you reverse-engineered the model?

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You're correct in that it's a modeled area on the fuselage, thus you can't paint over it to eliminate it. It shows on all of Matt's paints as well.

[gaucho_59]

You're correct in that it's a modeled area on the fuselage, thus you can't paint over it to eliminate it. It shows on all of Matt's paints as well.

It is really a pity that the Great Ito is so set in his ways about some things... as well as others... there is a really nice model of the Dragon Rapide... that adolesces of the same
peculiarity... there is spar in the middle of the fuselage (black jagged line) that really renders any "realistic" painting approach impossible...
and while on the subject... it would really be a nice thing if all designers decided to label maps so repainters can do an apt job...
I am repainting a Marting Mercator that DOES NOT have the center area or the wings or the fuselage mapped... see below

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