Wow , NFL put the hammer down on the Saints !

[Crusader]

I'm sure a lot of you have seen this on the news last night . Some pretty hefty fines , suspensions and sanctions . Last night on CBS Evening news , CBS Sports's Jim Brown was talking about how they interviewed several players , owners throughout the NFL and they were all for it and it was long over due . I'm sure a lot of you are thinking , this is the only team(Saints) they have caught so far and there is probably more teams that were involved in this "Bounty" fiasco and you are probably right . The months ahead , I'm sure , will be interesting to see how this unfolds . If anybody finds a more detailed or better article or video segment , post it for us . It's probably happened in years past in the NFL's history and we just didn't know about it .

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7718136/sean-payton-new-orleans-saints-banned-one-year-bounties

Rich

[beana51]

Reminds me when playing....in a game..our Coach was ticked off at this Reff.!..This ZEBRA was killing us!......Yep! Next Play..all of us chased him down....Lost the game anywho!.....But The Fun lasts....so Long ago!

Was not the Game Of Football just that..WAR!...Knock out the incoming,and attack??? and WIN!...Is not Winning EVERYTHING???...If its not...Why Play at all???.....Yea sounds bad ,But I would wager a Bet...its Common Practice.!!.....Doubt that???? Yesteryear it was so !......Just look at Y.A.Tittle...BLOODY BUT UNBOWED!........His Hair In Place..Had None!!.A real Warrior!

"AGONY OF DEFEAT" Y.A.TITTLE!
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[gradyhappyg]

To be honest the NFL hit them a lot harder than I was expecting.
More for PR and PC than anything else.
Players are still going to get their legs broken knees boinked and get knocked out.
Now why it's OK for the NFL tp pay them for it but not their fellow players is anyones guess.

[andersel]

If Sean Peyton were not an NFL coach, and he paid his employees to "take out" a competitor's employees, he would be in jail and headed for prison. If you ask me he and the Saints have gotten off easy.

It's NOT just a game. It's humans committing assault and battery. For cash money.

LA

[beana51]

Not a game??? We Love It...Most do!....More so than Baseball,and Basket Ball.!..Hockey aside.....Its our nature..admit it or not......like The"ROUGH" Games Of All over the world....it ain't checkers.

Its good these guys get a piece of the Action...For in a Split Second..Their active life could be over....As Far as We Spectators????? " LET THE GAMES BEGIN"..All want Winners,and will not Tolerate Losers!

RAA RAA REE,HIT HIM IN THE KNEE!..RAA! RAA! REE...HIT HIM IN THE OTHER KNEE!.The Young Lovely's Chant!

[ViperPilot2]

If Sean Peyton were not an NFL coach, and he paid his employees to "take out" a competitor's employees, he would be in jail and headed for prison. If you ask me he and the Saints have gotten off easy.

It's NOT just a game. It's humans committing assault and battery. For cash money.

LA

ABSOLUTELY!

I don't care what game it is; when you try to maliciously injure someone in the guise of 'competition and the emotions of the game', you're nothing more than a thug.

Getting paid for it; you're an enforcer, employed to commit assault with intent to injure and maim.

Great example of 'sportsmanship' to show to all the kids out there, huh?

The penalty should have been worse.

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[beana51]

Well Its FOOTBALL..Players are Bigger,Faster ,Better than ever...Like I do not like "RUGBY" or "Soccer" Talk about Violence with those games...SPECTATORS the most!!. Those who do not like FOOTBALL as presented...Well VIVA LA DIFFERENCE.!...Al tho any given Saturday,or Sunday the attendance at the Games is astounding,Nation Wide,Coast To Coast.......its Not CHESS..its Hard Physical Body Contact...None Of That Thank Yo Stuff.Sorry I knocked yer teeth out!....its a CIVIL WAR......Many who never played, may need better explanations.....As far as the Rules Allow, No one is advocating Breaking the rules,But they do,all advantages will be taken...Both Physically and Mentally Opponents are evaluated for Weak spots, and exploited!!And it the way to win......Todays Football is NOT the Games Y.A.TITTLE played...Countless rules and Regulations have changedthe game...Instant Replay, Senistive Hits to the Quaterback,Face Masking,Collaring,Cross blocks...and more...Football has Changed!..No More 60 min players..now we have Specialists!.........."Ave, Caesar, morituri te salutant"...Me! I Love It!!All Of It!!


Reminds me of an attitude...."I'm Shocked,Shocked,to find out Gambling is going on her?....,..

[ViperPilot2]

Vin,

You're right about the game changing from the 'old days', but it's the ATTITUDE nowadays!

It's instilled in kids by coaches from inter mural on up. "Stick him hard; make sure he doesn't get up!" and stuff like that.

Then you have like I said, the 'enforcers'... guys who aim for vulnerable spots like knees, leading with the helmet first, etc.

Don't get me wrong... I played soccer from 6 yrs. old up to high school, then I switched to football. Soccer was rough, just like rugby
or the neighborhood tackle game on the weekends. I knew guys who played borderline dirty in both sports; I didn't respect them one
bit, and made sure they knew it.

I played hard, hit hard, and got a lot of cuts and bruises for my efforts. But I body tackled, always aiming for the waist up, never below
the belt and/ or the knees. Never from behind, and never pile tackled. You can get hurt that way!

[jmig]

ABSOLUTELY!

I don't care what game it is; when you try to maliciously injure someone in the guise of 'competition and the emotions of the game', you're nothing more than a thug.....

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Then they are ALL thugs. I have to differ with your opinion. If it were your boys in orange, you might have a different POV. Saints' players have been fined maybe four times in the past three years for unnecessary hits. Where were all the so called malicious hits?

The New York Giants defense said they knew the 49er's punt returner had suffer concussions in the past. So they figured if they rang his bell a time or two, he would get nervous. It worked. He fumbled twice and lost the game for the 49ers. Where was Goodell then?

These guys average a $100,000 a game in pay. What is another $1500? Beer money for them. Yes, it was an added incentive and a motivator to play hard. But they didn't do anything different than defensive players through out the league do. They hit hard and made a rep as a tough defense. That was their fricking job.

I am not saying it was right. I am saying that Roger "Full of Himself" Goodell was willing to destroy a football team and hurt every Saint fan, just to show how tough he is. Let him put on the pads and get on the field. Then we will see just how tough he is. He didn't care what this will do to the city of New Orleans and the fans. How much will this cost the team and local vendors in lost revenue when the team starts losing because of being hamstrung? How many more "Tracy Porter" free agents will leave, for a better chance a the RING, knowing the Saints are crippled.

He didn't punish only Sean and Greg. He punished me and every other Saints, fan in the country.

[beana51]

Hi Viper Pilot....HOWGOZIT/Yes Yer correct...Things we should never get trapped into,often beyond our control are,Politics,Religion,Sports ,and a Mans Dog!..OK his wife also!Contact sport is a great teacher for life...Every business day for those with family's ,is Game Day....A Mans Family cannot have losers as its providers..We know in life Nice Guys Finish Last...... I Remember many a huddle on the field..our Quarterback getting PLASTERED....He would Say C'on Guys ,take that Linebacker out...and you do!

Later for many, the Sarge ,would say..Hey guys we gotta take that gun out.....Like Basic Training,so too contact sports. are important..They mold a man...Those who have not proven them selves will always doubt them selves!...

.We were talking about something else the other day..far more important...".STRAWBERRIES"..I tell ya Alan I never ate so many..Still are...Like Right now...Sliced Berries,On Pound Cake,Smothered with cream..and drizzled with Chocolate....Now Thats Better than FOOTBALL any day.... I was impressed with your farm,or where you were.The Fujii Family along the Columbia River in Troutdale, Oregon!Bet we could pick a!."A Bushel and a Peck" And eat most of them!!
......Stay Good My Friend...Playing With "FLIGHT " this new game..I like it .Try It!!.More fun to enjoy!....Vin!<label for="rb_iconid_24">http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon23.gif</label>

[Eoraptor1]

Hi Viper Pilot....HOWGOZIT/Yes Yer correct...Things we should never get trapped into,often beyond our control are,Politics,Religion,Sports ,and a Mans Dog!..OK his wife also!Contact sport is a great teacher for life...Every business day for those with family's ,is Game Day....A Mans Family cannot have losers as its providers..We know in life Nice Guys Finish Last...... I Remember many a huddle on the field..our Quarterback getting PLASTERED....He would Say C'on Guys ,take that Linebacker out...and you do!

Later for many, the Sarge ,would say..Hey guys we gotta take that gun out.....Like Basic Training,so too contact sports. are important..They mold a man...Those who have not proven them selves will always doubt them selves!...

.We were talking about something else the other day..far more important...".STRAWBERRIES"..I tell ya Alan I never ate so many..Still are...Like Right now...Sliced Berries,On Pound Cake,Smothered with cream..and drizzled with Chocolate....Now Thats Better than FOOTBALL any day.... I was impressed with your farm,or where you were.The Fujii Family along the Columbia River in Troutdale, Oregon!Bet we could pick a!."A Bushel and a Peck" And eat most of them!!
......Stay Good My Friend...Playing With "FLIGHT " this new game..I like it .Try It!!.More fun to enjoy!....Vin!<label for="rb_iconid_24">http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon23.gif</label>


I'm curious, beana. Are you a baseball fan? What's your opinion of someone like Ty Cobb?

JAMES

[beana51]

HA! HA!..lets read what he says...about himself..better than anyone can...And he about sums it up!!..DO IT???........BALL 4! :icon_lol:


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Quotes From & About Ty Cobb



Quotes From Ty Cobb



"A ball bat is a wondrous weapon." Source: Widely Attributed
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out. It's a struggle for supremacy, a survival of the fittest."
"Baseball was one-hundred percent of my life." Source: The Tumult and the Shouting (Grantland Rice, 1954)
"Every great batter works on the theory that the pitcher is more afraid of him than he is of the pitcher." Source: The Tiger Wore Spikes (John McCallum, 1956)
"He (Shoeless Joe Jackson (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=jacksjo01)) was the finest natural hitter in the history of the game."
"His (Walter Johnson (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=johnswa01)) fastball looked about the size of a watermelon seed and it hissed at you as it passed."
"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me, but I beat the xxxx and left them in the ditch." Source: The Early Years (Harold Seymour, 1989)

"I have observed that baseball is not unlike a war, and when you come right down to it, we batters are the heavy artillery."
"I may have been fierce, but never low or underhand." Source: Baseball As I Have Known It (Fred Lieb, 1977)
"I'm coming down on the next pitch, Krauthead (Honus Wagner (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=wagneho01))." Source: Ken Burns' Baseball (1994)
"I never could stand losing. Second place didn't interest me. I had a fire in my belly."
"I regret to this day that I never went to college. I feel I should have been a doctor." Source: Widely Attributed
"Just speed, raw speed, blinding speed, too much speed (Walter Johnson's (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=johnswa01) fastball)."
"Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference." Source: The Tumult and the Shouting (Grantland Rice, 1954)
"That boy (Mickey) Mantle (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=mantlmi01) is a good one."
"That god damned Dutchman (Honus Wagner (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=wagneho01)) is the only man in the game I can't scare."
"The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault."
"The crowd makes the ballgame."
"The great American game should be an unrelenting war of nerves." Source: Giants of Baseball (Bill Gutman, 1975)
"The great trouble with baseball today is that most of the players are in the game for the money and that's it, not for the love of it, the excitement of it, the thrill of it." Source: Widely Attributed (1925)
"The way those clubs shift against Ted Williams (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=willite01), I can't understand how he can be so stupid not to accept the challenge to him and hit to left field." Source: The Sporting News (08/04/1948)
"To get along with me, don't increase my tension."
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." Source: The Giants of the Polo Grounds (Noel Hynd, 1996)
"When I came to Detroit I was just a mild-mannered Sunday-school boy."
"You (Stan Musial (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=musiast01)) can still run and you still can hit. Drink a little wine before dinner and you'll play for years." Source: The National Pastime (Fall 1982)
"You've got to remember - I'm seventy-three.

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[Eoraptor1]

HA! HA!..lets read what he says...about himself..better than anyone can...And he about sums it up!!..DO IT???........BALL 4! :icon_lol:


<tbody>
Quotes From & About Ty Cobb



Quotes From Ty Cobb





"A ball bat is a wondrous weapon." Source: Widely Attributed

"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out. It's a struggle for supremacy, a survival of the fittest."

"Baseball was one-hundred percent of my life." Source: The Tumult and the Shouting (Grantland Rice, 1954)

"Every great batter works on the theory that the pitcher is more afraid of him than he is of the pitcher." Source: The Tiger Wore Spikes (John McCallum, 1956)

"He (Shoeless Joe Jackson (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=jacksjo01)) was the finest natural hitter in the history of the game."

"His (Walter Johnson (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=johnswa01)) fastball looked about the size of a watermelon seed and it hissed at you as it passed."

"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me, but I beat the xxxx and left them in the ditch." Source: The Early Years (Harold Seymour, 1989)


"I have observed that baseball is not unlike a war, and when you come right down to it, we batters are the heavy artillery."

"I may have been fierce, but never low or underhand." Source: Baseball As I Have Known It (Fred Lieb, 1977)

"I'm coming down on the next pitch, Krauthead (Honus Wagner (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=wagneho01))." Source: Ken Burns' Baseball (1994)

"I never could stand losing. Second place didn't interest me. I had a fire in my belly."

"I regret to this day that I never went to college. I feel I should have been a doctor." Source: Widely Attributed

"Just speed, raw speed, blinding speed, too much speed (Walter Johnson's (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=johnswa01) fastball)."

"Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference." Source: The Tumult and the Shouting (Grantland Rice, 1954)

"That boy (Mickey) Mantle (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=mantlmi01) is a good one."

"That god damned Dutchman (Honus Wagner (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=wagneho01)) is the only man in the game I can't scare."

"The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault."

"The crowd makes the ballgame."

"The great American game should be an unrelenting war of nerves." Source: Giants of Baseball (Bill Gutman, 1975)

"The great trouble with baseball today is that most of the players are in the game for the money and that's it, not for the love of it, the excitement of it, the thrill of it." Source: Widely Attributed (1925)

"The way those clubs shift against Ted Williams (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=willite01), I can't understand how he can be so stupid not to accept the challenge to him and hit to left field." Source: The Sporting News (08/04/1948)

"To get along with me, don't increase my tension."

"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." Source: The Giants of the Polo Grounds (Noel Hynd, 1996)

"When I came to Detroit I was just a mild-mannered Sunday-school boy."

"You (Stan Musial (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=musiast01)) can still run and you still can hit. Drink a little wine before dinner and you'll play for years." Source: The National Pastime (Fall 1982)

"You've got to remember - I'm seventy-three.


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I highly recommend Al Stump's biography of Cobb. Not giving away much here, because it was right in the intro section; Stump makes two assertions at the outset upon which he goes on to detail through the course of the book: 1) Cobb was demonstrably the greatest baseball player who ever lived. 2) He was psychotic.

I generally don't like goonism in any sport, but I agree that in a a full-contact sport like football it can be difficult (or even arbitrary) as to where to draw the line. I know a lot of defensive players already feel the rules have been altered to favor the offense, mollycoddle the QB, and ensure the high-scoring games the marketing people believe the fans like. Jim Brown writes about dirty play in his autobiography, and says in the days before the elaborate faceguards, opposing players regularly went for eye gouges during the course of games. One player he says was never dirty is Rosie Grier.

JAMES

[beana51]

Thanx..I would not dispute that....the BOX,or ENVELOPE, of so called normalcy is big...many operate in its boundaries....Differences between Genius and Madness,,great Leadership and Egotistical Manic are not really understandable...one Mans Hero is an others Criminal! This is true in Aviation also1...in retrospect would we consider some pioneer pilots Normal??...many thought they were NUTS....Both may have been correct
Great artists who depict Goodness,religion may be Scoundrels . We are many things at different times I think...timing and Actions are the Criteria we accept or Reject!...some call our Currant athletic THUGS...and yet these so called THUGS have huge admiring followings...I think in the end what ever you find comfortable with,in that box may be OK!..for You!..and not for others!...

Reminds me of ancient Rome..Gladiators,and Racing Chariot Drivers,and Actors! were considered scum,Thugs,undesirables...at the same time they enjoyed huge fan followings,fame,wealth,...some things never change!
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!....cheers my friend!!..Vin!!

[CWOJackson]

It's kind of ironic. For several years some players have been hammering the NFL for not taking their injuries seriously enough.

[beana51]

Yes They have been complaining,and rightly so! Occupational Hazard!...but tell that prospect to a Wild Eyed Talented Kid,on The verge of becoming a Multi Millionaire!......HOPELESS!....the Same with a Gung Ho Kid Joining the Marines....or the Exhilaration of SKY DIVING.....when we are young ,these thoughts have no place in our believe of our invisibility!...Good it is so!,were it not The HUMAN RACE would have never made it....Who Here would sit on A ROCKET and get EXPLODED into Space??...Could be if you were young!....Often the great choices one makes in life are before yer 21yrs old......Like Getting Married!:icon_lol:.............Watching the wounded Warriors,and the young men Crippled with sport injuries is very sad and tragic!..like the Ole Clique....where Do we Get Such Men? why in every new generation,its Us!!..THX!..Vin!

[Eoraptor1]

Yes They have been complaining,and rightly so! Occupational Hazard!...but tell that prospect to a Wild Eyed Talented Kid,on The verge of becoming a Multi Millionaire!......HOPELESS!....the Same with a Gung Ho Kid Joining the Marines....or the Exhilaration of SKY DIVING.....when we are young ,these thoughts have no place in our believe of our invisibility!...Good it is so!,were it not The HUMAN RACE would have never made it....Who Here would sit on A ROCKET and get EXPLODED into Space??...Could be if you were young!....Often the great choices one makes in life are before yer 21yrs old......Like Getting Married!:icon_lol:.............Watching the wounded Warriors,and the young men Crippled with sport injuries is very sad and tragic!..like the Ole Clique....where Do we Get Such Men? why in every new generation,its Us!!..THX!..Vin!

Marriage. Now you're talking about something REALLY dangerous.

JAMES