Classics Hangar FW190 latest beta

[Roger]

Ok just got the latest beta installed into my FsX and as has been said before... WOW


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190-n6.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-4.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-5.jpg

[Roger]

Some more...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-6.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-7.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-8.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-9.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-10.jpg

[Roger]

and the last few...for now. Got to do some beta testing:costumes:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-11.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-12.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-13.jpg

[grunau_baby]

My eyes just popped out to the floor! Simply amazing:applause:

[MCDesigns]

WOW! :isadizzy:

[Roger]

It's a joy to just sit and look:mixedsmi:

I like to pose a shot from vc as if the pilot were about to get into the 'pit standing on the wing. Sometimes this is not a good idea as modelling detail falls off past the pit itself in vc mode but on this model everything is there as you'll see in the first shot of the last three.

[MudMarine]

I'll buy it!:jump::applause:

[italoc]

wow


Italo

[RCAF_Gunner]

I'll buy it!:jump::applause:

Me too! So... how far into January do we have to wait?? :kilroy:

[chinookmark]

Me too! So... how far into January do we have to wait?? :kilroy:


Soon. :costumes:

[Mathias]

Soon. :costumes:

Two weeks be sure.:costumes:
Aw, no, that was O.M. from R.
Not too far into January. :kilroy:

[Akatsuki]

Can't wait!
Do you guys need another beta tester to be sure the product is finely tuned? :wavey:

[michael davies]

Problem is Roger, I dont think people realise how good this model actually is, I respect peoples wows and comments but the're more than likely based on visuals and screen shots, not on modeling skill.

Theres more to this model than a pretty dress, take the two anotated images below, that engine bulge, thats not a stuck on bulge we often see, but a blended in part of the model, thats not that hard to do, but very very hard to do with no polys in torsion or ripples in the skin, more so in the engine cowl than the actual bulge.

In the second image, that vent by the windscreen, thats a full rounded edge there, not a flat or single plane edge as often seen, and then blended into the casing !, very hard to do and look good. We're talking polys with dimensions in millimeters, only possible in FSx after the 3mm weld bug was removed, but none the less exquisite model work.

Sadly though I think I see a little issue ?, it looks like the outer skin isnt attached to the canopy rail, is that the ground ( unlikely as I know Mathias closes all holes ) or the cockpit floor that can be seen through that little slot, I'm no Fw190 experten but as an engineer I'd think that outer skin would be fixed to the canopy rail, having said that, I'd be pleased to be proven wrong :).

As a final comment, thats the best canopy framework in the VC I've ever seen, so many times developers cut corners here and produce clunky frame work, all for the sake of a few hundred saved polys at best.

Kindest

Michael.

[MudMarine]

Two weeks be sure.:costumes:
Aw, no, that was O.M. from R.
Not too far into January. :kilroy:

I can't wait that long!! I need it now!! Please.......?:costumes: Something to look forward to in Jan.; other than more endless winter day in the hell that some call New York.:icon_lol:

[MudMarine]

Problem is Roger, I dont think people realise how good this model actually is, I respect peoples wows and comments but the're more than likely based on visuals and screen shots, not on modeling skill.

Theres more to this model than a pretty dress, take the two anotated images below, that engine bulge, thats not a stuck on bulge we often see, but a blended in part of the model, thats not that hard to do, but very very hard to do with no polys in torsion or ripples in the skin, more so in the engine cowl than the actual bulge.

In the second image, that vent by the windscreen, thats a full rounded edge there, not a flat or single plane edge as often seen, and then blended into the casing !, very hard to do and look good. We're talking polys with dimensions in millimeters, only possible in FSx after the 3mm weld bug was removed, but none the less exquisite model work.

Sadly though I think I see a little issue ?, it looks like the outer skin isnt attached to the canopy rail, is that the ground ( unlikely as I know Mathias closes all holes ) or the cockpit floor that can be seen through that little slot, I'm no Fw190 experten but as an engineer I'd think that outer skin would be fixed to the canopy rail, having said that, I'd be pleased to be proven wrong :).

As a final comment, thats the best canopy framework in the VC I've ever seen, so many times developers cut corners here and produce clunky frame work, all for the sake of a few hundred saved polys at best.

Kindest

Michael.

Your right, not all of us are modlers. But that doesn't mean we don't understand the work and detail that goes into making a FS aircraft. In other words, never under estimate us buyers and flyers!:icon_lol::wavey: That's just a comment/observation not an attack Micheal, please don't be offended!

Good eye, I also see the gap between the canopy rail and the skin.

[Roger]

Here's a close-up showing the finely detailed riveting:medals:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/rogera/fw190n-14.jpg

[Mathias]

THanks much Michael!




Sadly though I think I see a little issue ?, it looks like the outer skin isnt attached to the canopy rail, is that the ground ( unlikely as I know Mathias closes all holes ) or the cockpit floor that can be seen through that little slot, I'm no Fw190 experten but as an engineer I'd think that outer skin would be fixed to the canopy rail, having said that, I'd be pleased to be proven wrong :).




Michael.

Eagle Eye you!
Yes, that's actually a shot from the VC, eyepoint moved outwards. The external model does not have those gaps.
The usual polygon saver technics that is, delete some polis not visible from the eyepoint.
There is currently one other such spot and that's the back of the seat in the VC.
I figure I can as well put those polys back in since it's just peanuts.
Thanks for pointing that out Michael. :wavey:

[RCAF_Gunner]

Two weeks be sure.:costumes:
Aw, no, that was O.M. from R.
Not too far into January. :kilroy:

Heh, heh, OK I don't know what "O.M. from R." means but I'll content myself with "more then a day and less then a month". :costumes:

Really can't wait to add this one to the hanger. Even thought it's just screen shots there's enough hints in those to give some idea of all the touches that have been put in and I think, knowing your other work, I can say you guys are doing a fantastic job as usual. :medals:

Cheers,
Rick

[CodyValkyrie]

Quit being PC and put some damn swastikas on the thing.

[huub vink]

Quit being PC and put some damn swastikas on the thing.

Like this :costumes:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/fw190a_em3.jpg

As Classics Hangar is based it Germany it is not possible to include the Swastika in the package. But don't worry the provision is there.

When you want a Swastika on the tail , you will get one! And you don't need to be a repainter to install it :eek:

Cheers,
Huub

[huub vink]

Only one single texture serves every model!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/fw190a_em4.jpg

[huub vink]

Landing is not really simple, the external view is nice.......

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/fw190a_06.jpg

However when you stay in the cockpit, this is your view and you can just pray that you are above the runway....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/fw190a_vc8.jpg

Just a few bumps :redf: , but on the grass safely....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/fw190a_07.jpg

And one for the rivet counters.... I'm convinced Alessandro did forget one :costumes:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/fw190a_05.jpg

Cheers,
Huub

[Steven190]

This will be a great addition for the new year

Outstanding work

Put me on the list

[heywooood]

heheh - well since you brought up O.M. - I cant help but notice the cockpit bar of infamy in your model is also prominent and seems to impede the view over the nose and downward.

prolly the number one bone of contention from that old forum and still likely to draw an immediate lock

[jankees]

I think it looks brilliant, both the exterior model and the especially the VC. Definite buy here. I have one little issue, and that's with the exterior skins, especially in the 4th shot of the first pose. The look a bit vague and blurry to me, and I see jaggies at the edges of the serial. Is this the setting of the comp on which these shots were taken, or is this a model thing? The VC looks wonderfully crisp, but the outside less so...

[Stickshaker]

Huub, why not move the eyepoint up a bit? I think this is possible without hitting the canopy your head. You eyes seem to be at the level of the gunsight; I’m sure you can raise your head a bit. Also, flaring when you’re safely above the runway (and not before) may help, as may a curved approach.

[Mathias]

heheh - well since you brought up O.M. - I cant help but notice the cockpit bar of infamy in your model is also prominent and seems to impede the view over the nose and downward.

prolly the number one bone of contention from that old forum and still likely to draw an immediate lock

Hehe, I think O.M.'s bar of infamy is a bit too prominent. particularly since his canopy is much too thick.
If I recall correctly from the last time flying it in IL-2 the canopy uses some truely solid squary irons while it really where some thin round rods.
There's still this little cockpit video of ours.
Since you can use TrackIR or otherwise move your head in FS it's really not that much of an issue I think.
On the landing issue, you won't believe how fast you get used to it to fly the last bit of the final approach by "feel". :costumes:
http://www.classics-hangar.de/videos/cockpit_wip_large.wmv

[Mathias]

I think it looks brilliant, both the exterior model and the especially the VC. Definite buy here. I have one little issue, and that's with the exterior skins, especially in the 4th shot of the first pose. The look a bit vague and blurry to me, and I see jaggies at the edges of the serial. Is this the setting of the comp on which these shots were taken, or is this a model thing? The VC looks wonderfully crisp, but the outside less so...


I think Roger was running on 1024 texture_max_load with the 2048 textures, that's why there are some jaggies.

[deimos256]

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Sheesh everytime i see pics of this i want it even more, i never get this psyched for a release, must conserve funds in preparation for the release!!

[huub vink]

I think it looks brilliant, both the exterior model and the especially the VC. Definite buy here. I have one little issue, and that's with the exterior skins, especially in the 4th shot of the first pose. The look a bit vague and blurry to me, and I see jaggies at the edges of the serial. Is this the setting of the comp on which these shots were taken, or is this a model thing? The VC looks wonderfully crisp, but the outside less so...

Jan Kees, like Mathias already mentioned Roger had a wrong setting when he shot the screenies. In fact my screenies don't do full justice to Alessandro's textures as well. Due to the fact I have to convert the screenies from bmp into jpg format, to be able to post them here, they loose quite some quality.

Stickshaker, I could change my eye-point but that would feel a bit like cheating :costumes:. The trick is you have to approach the runway in a curve. That way the runway will remain visible nearly until touch-down. :kilroy:.
However the armoured glass in front of your nose remains very small and as the glass is quite thick the cockpit frame is heavy as well.....

Cheers,
Huub

[michael davies]

Your right, not all of us are modlers. But that doesn't mean we don't understand the work and detail that goes into making a FS aircraft. In other words, never under estimate us buyers and flyers!:icon_lol::wavey: That's just a comment/observation not an attack Micheal, please don't be offended!

Good eye, I also see the gap between the canopy rail and the skin.

No offence intended I'm sure and none taken.

Best

Michael

[michael davies]

THanks much Michael!



Eagle Eye you!
Yes, that's actually a shot from the VC, eyepoint moved outwards. The external model does not have those gaps.
The usual polygon saver technics that is, delete some polis not visible from the eyepoint.
There is currently one other such spot and that's the back of the seat in the VC.
I figure I can as well put those polys back in since it's just peanuts.
Thanks for pointing that out Michael. :wavey:

Mathias, thats ok, I realised it was the VC view, but many people now seem to move outside in the VC mode these days, usually heralding cries of see through planes LOL, looks good either way.

I see my pictures dont show, or I fail to see them at the moment, how did that happen ?, if there was a problem with them then let me know so I dont make the same mistake again.

Best

Michael