FSX Pilatus PC-21 from Iris Simulations

[VaporZ]

FSX Pilatus PC-21 from Iris Simulations

This is a very very good news.

This "beauty" is already used by Switzerland, the United Arab Emirates ( first deliveries completed )
and Singapore ( from RAAF Pearce, Australia ).

Lest hope for the future that some will also be based at RAF Linton-On-Use under a public-private
contract for the Royal Air Force.

Please share any informations you have about this Iris Project for FSX !

In the meantime, take a llok on this Iris facebook page :
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150152675687416.297252.56985552415&type=1

Very interesting !
This one is now ont the top of my "to buy" budget listing !
:jump:
VaporZ

[ZsoltB]

Yes!

Very Good News!

Thank you!

[skyhawka4m]

I for one am looking forward to the possible repaints Mr. Zolts is gonna do for it.

Is there a safe online place to fly an do possible dog fights? Recently a few of the more recent planes like this one would seem so cool in mock dogfights.

[PilatusTurbo]

OMG.... I loved Piglet's rendition of this little monstrous ship. I can't believe Iris will be doing an FSX version. I don't care; I'm gonna have to drop whatever they price it at. One of my favorite planes, given my name representing the fact that I love just about everything from that company.

However, the PC-21 is just a turboprop bullet with wings. I always used to call it the "Air Shark". Great news indeed. :ernae:

[VaporZ]

I just found a first video / raw footage of the Iris FSX Pilatus PC-21 to come
flying from Stans-Buochs Airport ( The Pilatus Factory ) in Switzerland !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGNra3jQ3oE&feature=related

Just one word : WoW !!!

This beauty is on top of my "mandatory buying" list !!!
:applause::jump::applause:
VaporZ

[skyhawka4m]

seems IRIS has alot on thier plate right now....on their facebook thy are talking about a bunch of turboprop planes like the Merlin.

[strykerpsg]

It's too bad they never followed up their excellent T-6 with a B variant. Would have been fantastic to see them take it to the next level. This will be a must buy next Christmas, along with their Mudhen.


Matt

[VaporZ]

Any news about this PC-21 project ?
:kilroy:
VaporZ

[VaporZ]

This project seems to be still alive !

Here is some new images including interesting liveries and a new test video.

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150152675687416.297252.56985552415&type=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cleFd_IGOb4&feature=player_embedded#!

For future repaint projects be aware that current real customers for the PC-21 include now :

Switzerland ( Emmen ),
Singapore ( Pearce, Australie )
United Arab Emirates ( Al Ain )

plus

Saudi Arabia for 55 x Pilatus PC-21 from Bae Systems ( Riyad King Faisal Air Academy ),

and a brand new customer :

Qatar for 24 x Pilatus PC-21 !
http://www.air-cosmos.com/defense/le-qatar-choisit-le-pc-21-de-pilatus.html
http://www.airforcesdaily.com/2012/07/qatar-emiri-air-force-orders-24-pc-21s/

Interesting !
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

[Peter SWE]

The Swedish airforce are currently looking into buying the pc-21 as a replacement for the Saab 105 that has now reached the far limit of it's lifespan. Maybe someone can do a "what if" paint for this one in Swedish colors when it's released?

[VaporZ]

The Swedish airforce are currently looking into buying the pc-21 as a replacement for the Saab 105 that has now reached the far limit of it's lifespan. Maybe someone can do a "what if" paint for this one in Swedish colors when it's released?

Please Peter transmit this info to the IRIS Simulations guys on their facebook page !

Its here :
http://www.facebook.com/irissimulations

Imagine a Pilatus PC-21 with fully colored national markings, orange dayglo numbers and a Sweden "Splinter Camo Scheme" like the "Camo JAS-37 Viggen" ! ! !
It would be superb !!!

:salute::jump::salute:
VaporZ

[Peter SWE]

Please Peter transmit this info to the IRIS Simulations guys on their facebook page !

Its here :
http://www.facebook.com/irissimulations

Imagine a Pilatus PC-21 with fully colored national markings, orange dayglo numbers and a Sweden "Splinter Camo Scheme" like the "Camo JAS-37 Viggen" ! ! !
It would be superb !!!

:salute::jump::salute:
VaporZ

Thanks for the idea but i don't have enough info to back up my statement up to "go official" so i will leave this one to the tallented repainters at SOH.

I was told this by one of the airforce officers that manage the public Gripen simulator at the flygvapen (Airforce) museum in Lidkoping, Sweden. The Saab 105 will reach the end of it's lifespan in 2017 so by then we will need a new trainer. Saab has specified to the airforce that even thou the Gripen is built to be extremely easy to fly so it is possible to "quickschool" pilots during wartime the two seat Gripen is not a trainer. It is a requirement that the pilots are schooled in a proper trainer that won't fly itself like the Gripen does. Therefor there is a need to replace the Saab 105 with another trainer. Therefor the Swedish airforce is looking into different trianers and the PC-21 is one of them.

Saab are currently negotiating a deal to sell the Gripen to a couple of countrys, Brazil and switzerland among others so my personal guess is that if Switzerland buys the gripen, Sweden will buy the PC-21. If Brazil buys the Gripen, Sweden will buy the Super tucano. Ultimatly it will come down to politics.

On another personal note about the "Gripen flyes itself". If the airforce Gripensimulator is anything like the real deal, and i hope it is since they train fighterjocks in it, the Gripen is really easy to fly. I only have two hours of flighttraining in realworld Lightsports but after oniy 30 minutes of training in the Gripensim i flew simulated combat missions. For example there is a stright and level button on the stick, No matter what attitude the plane is in, push this button with your pinky and the Gripen will return itself to stright and level flight. There is no trim so the computers fly the plane in the direction the nose points at.

Now i will go and grab another beer, stop ranting and let's go back on topic.
:running::icon29::salute:

[VaporZ]

One of my younger cousin who is a senior pilot on Bombardier Challengers and Global Express for "Qatar Executive"
at Doha, told me a few days ago by eMail, that the 24 x Pilatus PC-21 for the Qatar Emiri Air Force include :

16 x PC-21 for the brand new Qatar Military Air Academy
and
8 x PC-21 for a National Aerobatic Demo Team of six plus two spares and that this team will
be painted with Nationally Owned "Qatar Airlines" colors, with the famed national emblem "Oryx"
gazelle logo, just like one of their 4 x C-17 Globemasters.

I mentionned this on the IRIS Facebook page and ..... a few days after .... just look out below what the IRIS
repainters have done with this "very serious rumor" from Doha, Qatar !

Wow !
This IRIS Simulations Pilatus PC-21 for FSX will be a hit !

:jump::applause::jump:
VaporZ

[joanvalley]

This fictional will too be available for our PC-21:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/joanvalley/pc21USAF.jpg

We pretty much are toying with different schemes.

Jose.

[VaporZ]

Humm !

13 x thumbnails already ready covering versions for :

Australia
Greece
Iris
Mexico
Qatar
Great Britain
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Spain
Switzerland 2010
Switzerland 2012
United Arab Emirates
Us Air Force

Take a look here :
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150152675687416.297252.56985552415&type=1

Interesting !
:mixedsmi:
Vaporz

[warchild]

and, weve gone full out on all aspects of development.. with official documentation from pilatus and pratt and whitney, to members of the raaf and rnzaf testing for us as well as pilot reports this promises to be the most accurate aircraft ever developed by Iris.

[wapanomi]

and, weve gone full out on all aspects of development.. with official documentation from pilatus and pratt and whitney, to members of the raaf and rnzaf testing for us as well as pilot reports this promises to be the most accurate aircraft ever developed by Iris.

So it could be, IMHO, one of the most important fsx add-on of all times ! I litterally learn to fly FS9 on the Iris PC9, which takes me around the world. Those turboprop are the good compromise between GA and advanced airplanes. They can do everything you want, except carry passenger. I can't wait...

And if someone talented could give us a decent Buochs, with the traffic light working ( ;)) ), it will be perfect !!

Excerpt from my december journey to Switzerland... Bad picture, outstanding souvenir !

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7852/photo3uw.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/photo3uw.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[VaporZ]

So it could be, IMHO, one of the most important fsx add-on of all times ! I litterally learn to fly FS9 on the Iris PC9, which takes me around the world. Those turboprop are the good compromise between GA and advanced airplanes. They can do everything you want, except carry passenger. I can't wait...

And if someone talented could give us a decent Buochs, with the traffic light working ( ;)) ), it will be perfect !!

Excerpt from my december journey to Switzerland... Bad picture, outstanding souvenir !

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7852/photo3uw.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/photo3uw.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)


At Buochs / Stans Airport there is a public road crossing the taxiway between the main runway
and the Pilatus Aircraft Factory ! Your photo have probably been taken at the yellow arrow I
put on the following picture.
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

[snow_white]

Awesome plane outside.. inside still really "plasticy" like all previous models from iris. Will have to pass again on this. Just not real life lookalike inside. unfortuanaltely I spend 99% time inside and rather odd occasion might have and outside view. So inside is what matters to me not how good it look outside. It can fly how good and have how good a flight model, I like to feel what I see in front of me to reflect real instruments and real surfaces.

[jmig]

Awesome plane outside.. inside still really "plasticy" like all previous models from iris. Will have to pass again on this. Just not real life lookalike inside. unfortuanaltely I spend 99% time inside and rather odd occasion might have and outside view. So inside is what matters to me not how good it look outside. It can fly how good and have how good a flight model, I like to feel what I see in front of me to reflect real instruments and real surfaces.

By "plasticy" I guess you mean unreal looking, since I would assume all modern aircraft have a lot of plastic in the cockpits. Why are you making the decision to pass on an airplane that hasn't even been released yet?

[wapanomi]

At Buochs / Stans Airport there is a public road crossing the taxiway between the main runway
and the Pilatus Aircraft Factory ! Your photo have probably been taken at the yellow arrow I
put on the following picture.
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

Precisely there ! The taxiway that links the airport to the factory cross a public road, and there are traffic lights that the pilot can change with the radio. I had the great luck to see the approach of the PC21, so I went to the place to see this outstanding plane crossing the road. That made my day !

[warchild]

ok, before anyone starts beating up on iris too hard, i will say one thing in their defense.. Any images you see, and in fact the entire plane, is still in alpha development.. dont be too quick to judge. there just may be some surprises there..

btw. that is one exceptionally awesome picture.. thank you for sharing it :)

[joanvalley]

Awesome plane outside.. inside still really "plasticy" like all previous models from iris. Will have to pass again on this. Just not real life lookalike inside. unfortuanaltely I spend 99% time inside and rather odd occasion might have and outside view. So inside is what matters to me not how good it look outside. It can fly how good and have how good a flight model, I like to feel what I see in front of me to reflect real instruments and real surfaces.

The PC-21 hasn't even been mapped inside the cockpit/VC much less received any textures, those are just materials from the modeling program. I wouldn't worry about that then mate! LOL!

Jose.

[wapanomi]

@warchild : thanks for your appreciation.

Warchild, Joanvalley, ok for the informations. I guess the difficulty of the texturing because the pictures (see the internal pictures on the Pilatus site (http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/#218)) of the PC21 give the impression that the assembly is close to perfection...

But I note a bad news in your posts : we must wait some times to have it...

To let you know my impatience, here's a picture of the PC9 I'm flying with ;) ...

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1508/pc9like21.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/169/pc9like21.jpg/)

So... Patience is a virtue...

[warchild]

The PC-21 has been a very interesting aircraft for Jade Island.. As is usual, we took all the lessons learned from previous aircraft and applied them to the development of this aircraft, but it was the willingness of Pilatus and other organizations to share information with us that really made things happen. To be honest, after working on the Su-37, the F-22 and the Yak-130, I wasnt thrilled about doing a prop driven conventional aircraft, but the more we researched this aircraft, and the more we discovered, the more it became something very new and different.. It flies like a jet, handles like a jet, takes off and lands, like a jet. it has a 200 degree per second roll rate and climbs at over 4000 feet per minute.. It really is an amzing little aircraft..

[warchild]

@warchild : thanks for your appreciation.

Warchild, Joanvalley, ok for the informations. I guess the difficulty of the texturing because the pictures (see the internal pictures on the Pilatus site (http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/#218)) of the PC21 give the impression that the assembly is close to perfection...

But I note a bad news in your posts : we must wait some times to have it...

To let you know my impatience, here's a picture of the PC9 I'm flying with ;) ...

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1508/pc9like21.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/169/pc9like21.jpg/)

So... Patience is a virtue...

:::LOL:: I love it.. That lil PC-9 has been around a while. Stay tuned, good things a comin..

[joanvalley]

@warchild : thanks for your appreciation.

Warchild, Joanvalley, ok for the informations. I guess the difficulty of the texturing because the pictures (see the internal pictures on the Pilatus site (http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/#218)) of the PC21 give the impression that the assembly is close to perfection...

But I note a bad news in your posts : we must wait some times to have it...

To let you know my impatience, here's a picture of the PC9 I'm flying with ;) ...

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1508/pc9like21.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/169/pc9like21.jpg/)

So... Patience is a virtue...


Yes my friend, patience is a rare virtue nowadays, but also, if you love the PC-9 and are still flying that dated model, you'll be very happy in the near future, very, very happy. ;)
Pam: kudos for working your butt off (I say this with love! :)) on the PC-21 FDE, you're making it one of a kind and that means special, we're very close to nailing it aren't we? Just keep throwing FDE's my way and I will keep "bitching" about them :D. Saludos dear!
Jose.

[warchild]

yeah, we are.. frighteningly close.. no, seriously, it scares me.. we have reached that point in development now, where every change made in the fde is to the detriment of another entry. That only starts happening when youve gotten everything within 98% of exact.. Those last two percent are terrifying, and difficult too find.. I'm gonna cross test in P3D as it points up my errors a lot more readily than FSX does. from there i can modify the fsx version. I know your busy with modelling on it, and david is away taking care of business, so nothing is coming in for feedback at the moment and i'm taking a couple days off to get a working copy of oblivion installed ( it keeps blowing up with the last update.. grrr ). I'm also going to be doing a 100% clean install of P3D as well.. I'm not really satisfied with the install i did this morning.. i think my entire machine needs to be put on meds to get it to cooperate with me for once ::lol::Too much weird **** happening in the background ( but no viruses oddly ).. I DID take the pc-21 up in p3D before i decided i wasnt happy with the install.. I need to recurve the 15 and 20 degree pitch curves for the prop.. I'm not at all happy there.. everything else seems pretty decent over all.. :)

[swimeye]

@warchild : thanks for your appreciation.

Warchild, Joanvalley, ok for the informations. I guess the difficulty of the texturing because the pictures (see the internal pictures on the Pilatus site (http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/#218)) of the PC21 give the impression that the assembly is close to perfection...

But I note a bad news in your posts : we must wait some times to have it...

To let you know my impatience, here's a picture of the PC9 I'm flying with ;) ...

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1508/pc9like21.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/169/pc9like21.jpg/)

So... Patience is a virtue...

That skin is awesome, is it public? If so, where can it be found?

[wapanomi]

That skin is awesome, is it public? If so, where can it be found?

Thanks for the appreciation.

No it's not yet public. I done it a few years ago, but modify this or that everytime I think to publish it. But I will do and let you know. These are inspired by the former swiiss paint of the PC21, and I made also a "canadian" version to fly over north america...

That will help our waiting of the work of warchild and joanvalley... That I thank to give us some hope...

Btw, joanvalley, yes I still fly the PC9, even if I'm more on my P51 or superbug... But that's a first love, and I think those monoturboprops are perfect planes for fs. So, you're right, everything in that room will make me happy. I wait the upgrade of the Texan II announced by D. Brice, but most of all a pc21. So, keep on the good work !

[warchild]

ok, props recurved, mach drag adjusted. we now have smooth, linear acceleration all the way from zero to 300 knots.. Max speed is 323 knots level, and max drop in a loop started at 300 knots is 100 knots fully loaded.. the plane flies like an F-86.. its easy to forget your in a prop..
I also recurved the elevator efficiency. The PC-21 is capable of doing semi-controlable flat spins coming out of a stall. untill an hour ago, that was the one thing our version could not do. Now, we can do it.. Paul and I will keep working on the fde so that it flies as close to exact as is humanly possible.. I think you will all find this to be a simply amazing lil plane..

[swimeye]

wapanomi: Thank you for your answer, and I am looking forward to both the Swiss and the Canadian versions =)

Warchild: The more you tell us about the PC-21 the more I am looking forward to it. One of my best sim experiences was with Piglets PC-21. To do it for FSX was an awesome choice by Iris =)

[VaporZ]

Any news about the availability date for this "Digital Spitfire of the 2000 Plus" for FSX
from Iris Simulations ?

My credit card is ready !
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

[VaporZ]

One month later ......

Any news about the release date of the Pilatus PC-21 for FSX from Iris Simulations ?

Thanks for any info about it
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

[joanvalley]

One month later ......

Any news about the release date of the Pilatus PC-21 for FSX from Iris Simulations ?

Thanks for any info about it
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

Yup! There are screenshots of the now textured VC at the IRIS Facebook page right here:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/irissimulations

Cheers!

Jose.

[skyhawka4m]

someday........:isadizzy:

[VaporZ]

Will Iris Simulations release this Pilatus PC-21 for FSX ?
Or Not ?

Don't you think it could be interesting to have a direct answer from Iris
Simulations about this project ?

Waiting !
:kilroy:
VaporZ

[joanvalley]

It will be released, it's being worked on at the moment mate and sorry but no release date yet, the PC-21 will be a great add on but it takes a bit of time. THX!

Jose.

[rvn817j]

One always as to keep in mind that the holidays are just around the bend. If I were too give myself a holiday gift, I know which aircraft it would be! (What else can I do to encourage the release?) Thanks IRIS team for this aircraft. A worthy successor to my T-6 Texan II!

[VaporZ]

It will be released, it's being worked on at the moment mate and sorry but no release date yet, the PC-21 will be a great add on but it takes a bit of time. THX!

Jose.

Thanks for this quick answer Jose !
It is really appreciated !

By the way, for your information, many french aviation magazines are confirming that French "Armée De l'Air" will be a Pilatus PC-21 customer
as soon as 2014-2016 timeframe.

Part of the current AlphaJet training syllabus will then be transfered to the PC-21 at Cognac Air base under a "public private program" ( PPP )
just like the Canadian "NFTC" program at Moose Jaw Air Base !

Tours air base will be closed, leaving all advanced AlphaJet training to be concentrated at the Belgian/French "AJeTs" program at Cazaux Air Base.

AlphaJets will eventually be replaced at Cazaux's "AJeTs" by Alenia M-346 Masters in a joint venture including "Masters" from France, Belgium and
Singapore plus for any future other interested participating Air Arms.

( Please Iris Smulations think of an Alenia M-346 Master for FSX )

Then, remaining french AlphaJet trainers will "soldier on" for the "Adversary Role" at Dijon Air Base and for the famed aerobatic
"Patrouille De France" at Salon De Provence Air Base.
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ

[jmig]

I recall seeing a recent Facebook post by David that he hoped to get it finished next month. Whether that happens or not .....?

[Sundog]

Someone was working on the Yak-130, which the M-346 is mostly a copy of. I know it's not the same, but you could still paint it as such. ;)

[YoYo]

New pictures was added:

http://www.facebook.com/irissimulations#!/irissimulations

Nice VC with scratches and dust on MFD.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/706078_10151277634012416_238726591_o.jpg

[snow_white]

never seen such straight lines / symmetrical scratches on every single glass in the same cockpit ever.. not really authentic

[DaveKDEN]

never seen such straight lines / symmetrical scratches on every single glass in the same cockpit ever.. not really authentic

Maybe there'll be an option to turn the scratches on/off (like Carenado has). I personally like non-reflective, non-scratched glass surfaces. I find them generally too distracting. Mostly transparent glass with just the ever so ssssslightest hint of wear, tint, and reflection for me please. :cool:

[airattackimages]

Some people just love to complain...

[DaveKDEN]

Some people just love to complain...


True... however, some people also just like to express their preferences when it comes to payware add-ons.

[YoYo]

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2537/nowy1q.jpg

[DaveKDEN]

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2537/nowy1q.jpg


Looks like many a glass panel I've seen on 737's and A320's - that is before I clean the dust and fingerprints off. :santahat:

[warchild]

hehe. the joys of touch screens......

[airattackimages]

True... however, some people also just like to express their preferences when it comes to payware add-ons.

Believe me I am for bringing up what we like and don't like -- I was pretty vocal about how the Razbam Harrier flies like crap while most people were pleased as punch with it and were more than willing to make excuses for it. But here, someone says Iris makes interior panels that look like plastic, then, when they put dust and scratches on the displays they complain about that.

[DaveKDEN]

Believe me I am for bringing up what we like and don't like -- I was pretty vocal about how the Razbam Harrier flies like crap while most people were pleased as punch with it and were more than willing to make excuses for it. But here, someone says Iris makes interior panels that look like plastic, then, when they put dust and scratches on the displays they complain about that.

Agreed - some tend to be over the top with their complaints. There is a fine line between constructive criticism and downright complaining. However, I don't think we need to walk on egg shells when it comes to criticizing payware developers. When you're paying your hard earned money, you can and should expect high quality.

[clmooring]

I just saw the interior shots of the displays. i love them.

[DaveKDEN]

PS: I fully intend on purchasing the PC-21 as soon as I can after it's available.

[VaporZ]

Now available !

THIS PRODUCT IS A SPECIAL PRE-ORDER OFFER AND IS NOT THE COMPLETED FINALISED PRODUCT.
PURCHASERS OF THIS PRODUCT WILL BE ENTITLED TO A FREE UPGRADE TO THE FULL VERSION WHEN
RELEASED AT NO EXTRA COST.

http://www.irissimulations.com.au/ols/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&products_id=20

Interesting !
:jump::jump::jump:
VaporZ

[skyhawka4m]

Now available !

THIS PRODUCT IS A SPECIAL PRE-ORDER OFFER AND IS NOT THE COMPLETED FINALISED PRODUCT.
PURCHASERS OF THIS PRODUCT WILL BE ENTITLED TO A FREE UPGRADE TO THE FULL VERSION WHEN
RELEASED AT NO EXTRA COST.

http://www.irissimulations.com.au/ols/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&products_id=20

Interesting !
:jump::jump::jump:
VaporZ


I'll wait for the full version....who wants to fly a plane with no cockpits and blacked out windows.......uuuuggghhh

[VaporZ]

I'll wait for the full version....who wants to fly a plane with no cockpits and blacked out windows.......uuuuggghhh

I will do the same !
Waiting for the full priced version.

I have big hope for this FSX Payware project but I am a little bit disappointed with IRIS's marketing approach about it !

I will then buy another "Christmas" paware.
Probably the MilViz T-38 Talon
:kilroy:
VaporZ

[MartinM]

i got it :)

[jmig]

As much as I am looking forward to this aircraft, I will wait. I can't see spending $30 for a half finished neutered product.

[bstolle]

As much as I am looking forward to this aircraft, I will wait. I can't see spending $30 for a half finish neutered product.

+1

and why on earth is a product you have to pay for time limited ?????

Quote from the product page: Time limited to 1 hour use

[Sieggie]

Maybe David was going to release it as a demo, changed his mind and made it a beta but forgot to remove that line on the web page. It would be very difficult to test a beta release with a time limit.

Dave

[warchild]

The PC-21 is being developed for fsx/combat pilot. That one hour limitation may be within combat pilot, I dont know for sure, but that would be my guess..

[YoYo]

As much as I am looking forward to this aircraft, I will wait. I can't see spending $30 for a half finished neutered product.

Its a DCS fashion. Buy beta stage and recive full product when it will be finished.

[jmig]

Its a DCS fashion. Buy beta stage and recive full product when it will be finished.

That may be. However, I stand by my earlier comment. I will wait rather than buy a half baked pie.

[peter12213]

Agreed I'm also waiting for the complete product!

[Sieggie]

Anyone heard what the actual reason for a 1 hour time limit is?

Dave

[wapanomi]

Hi,

I don't agree with all the Iris marketing, but this time, I don't understand the critics. If you see the offer as a demo, it's expensive. But if you see the offer as a pre-order, it's very fair : 25% discount, and something to look at, instead of waiting informations on the FB page... For example, I've paid to pre-order the VRS Tac Pack and receive nothing for a long time, plus 6 months of demo version, and I found this also perfectly fair.

The other good news is that there's a quality control team, something that wasn't sure on other Iris stuffs (I'm still disappointed by the launch of the Spartan, but that's the past).

On the other hand, Iris take a risk by letting people make comments about a very limited version, which lacks some of the essential stuff for the immersion (especially the sound, but also the systems). So, I decided to preorder, without using the demo... and I've resisted half an hour...

My first impressions are good, considering that the informations about the limitations are sufficient on the vendor site.

The 3D model is a great success : the beauty of the PC21 is there, without a doubt. Animations that are present are nice. That part is already a plus for our simulation world, IMHO. We were missing this plane. I'm a little bit less positive about the textures : the one provided is fictional and very nice, but the reflections are much too high, and the bumpmapping also, on the wings and the main fuselage.

Inside, despite the limitations of the demo, the first things are good surprises. The 3D is very convincing again, as you can see on the photos on the FB page. You've already a very nice and fluid Hud, and the sole PFD is very convincing : there's a great work to match the look of the real one, which is very characteristic. But there are still things that are perfectible : too much scratch on the displays (visible if they are off), and a texturing too simple on some parts, especially some knobs that seems to come from the Iris Texan, some texts, maybe the explosive line in the canopy... But maybe is this due to the limits of the demo version, again. The impression of the cockpit of the real thing is very special : that's swiss quality : very solid, clean, well assembled. At this stage, this one doesn't give that look. On the other hands, all the actual Pilatus are brand new...

The most important : despite the limitations, we already have a plane very fun to fly. It's less powered than I expected, especially for the take off, and maybe less nervous in flight, but it's precise, very reactive on command (maybe a little bit too much). It seems less "alive" than a A2A mustang, but close of what you can expect of a modern turboprop trainer.

I didn't notice FPS hit, but maybe some stutters, but the testing time was too short to conclude that it's the plane...

My conclusion : that's a very promising add-on, most probably "state-of-the art" comparing to today's products, and a good witness of the constant progression of Iris. We can hope an add-on very interesting to fly, and a toy very fun to use in our simulator. I don't regret the risk of preordering (but I was sure ti buy it, so...)

PS : hope my english was understandable...

[Sieggie]

Hi,

I didn't notice FPS hit, but maybe some stutters, but the testing time was too short to conclude that it's the plane...



Was your time too short because the demo ended it or you just got tired of flying. Does it really only allow 1 hour of run time?

Dave

[wapanomi]

My purpose was to say that the performance needs to be tested in various conditions, to be sure that a problem come for the add-on and not the environnment : meteo, scenery,...

And yes, one hour of use, it's the way it's supposed to work...

[wapanomi]

Just over the nest (Buochs) :

http://imageshack.us/a/img109/6316/201212228444197.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/9498/20121222856538.jpg

And far from it (Grand Teton National Park) :

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5969/20121221213039108.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/20121221213039108.jpg/)

[warchild]

Welllll, one thing you have to admit is that this market strategy is putting off some long time customers, and merely pissing off the rest.. I dont think its Davids most brilliant move.. Congrats on the PC-21.. Jose did a spectacular job on it.

[skyhawka4m]

Welllll, one thing you have to admit is that this market strategy is putting off some long time customers, and merely pissing off the rest.. I dont think its Davids most brilliant move.. Congrats on the PC-21.. Jose did a spectacular job on it.


Agreed....I think the better move would have been to release the BETA version we've seen being flown by some.....and then upgrade to the full version but....maybe its just me. Sorry....the $10 you save isn't worth the 1 hour flight time. Seems to me to be a funding issue more than anything else for IRIS.

[YoYo]

The new preview video of PC-21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fAgbxElrJEU
Very nice done.

[mohawk3]

The new preview video of PC-21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fAgbxElrJEU
Very nice done.
It's dated 19th december , so it's kind of new but not 'THE new'

[YoYo]

Hi again!

Many new shots of incoming Pilatus: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151306100762416.484566.56985552415&type=1 Plus new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hkgQDRPekaQ

My favorite:

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/240080_10151306476022416_1294744871_o.jpg

[skyhawka4m]

way too much teasing going on here.......starting to wonder if my money being held for this should go to more mustangs.

[clmooring]

way too much teasing going on here.......starting to wonder if my money being held for this should go to more mustangs.

Now that it is out for while, what is the verdict?

[DaveKDEN]

Now that it is out for while, what is the verdict?


Fantastic!

[wapanomi]

You can follow this thread here : http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?76319-IRIS-Pro-Training-Series-Pilatus-PC-21-Out&p=792007#post792007