The Right P51 Mustang

[Flame-Prop]

Who could ever forget the P51 for all her help during the war. I saw the best models for FSX, one was made by the great A2A simulators but unlike the rest of their war birds this one feels incomplete. And I saw Warbird's sim Little friends. I really loved every bit of it, the size of the model, the quality and accuracy. But now I hear A2A are upgrading their P51 as well as adding the legendary Accusim expansion which which brings the plane to life just as she was back then. I'm having hard time choosing. Warbird sim's P51 is 50 solid buck and A2A at the momment is just 19 bucks..... what are your guy's thoughs?

Gabe


Just sit a minute and listen http://www.warbirdsim.com/

A2A over here http://www.a2asimulations.com/store/solo/p51/

THE SOUND: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5fjKEXXPQ8

[skyhawka4m]

while I think both products are awesome products out an to come.....I myself will stick with Warbirdsim. I like the large amount of detail, ease of painting, and ease of flight. By this I mean....I bought the P-47 from A2A and infd it very sluggish, and hard to fly, or keep flying. I'm not an experienced pilot and and fly flight sim for the fun and relaxation I'm not in it to fly as if in real life. If I wanted to do that I'd go out and get my license. Again, this is all a matter of my personal preference and is not meant to be a jab on anyone. The A2A aircraft are well detailed and very realistic in flying....just a bit too much for me. Also, don't forget that the current A2A aircraft is not goning to be the one they put the accusim in I don't believe., that aircraft I'm sure will be very close to the same price as the Warbirdsim aircraft.

[oakfloor]

I got the part two mustang and it's ok..except the leaf blower sound flyby sounds, and the incockpit engines sounds like it simply turns off below a certain throttle setting, how they let that get by? Oh well I got it on sale and im glad I didnt pay $45 for it.

[italoc]

I love both :applause:.
Same professional attention to details and (for a modest PPL like me :wiggle:) good flying manners !!!
Italo

[PilatusTurbo]

NOOO!!! Warbirdsim's P-51D package is on sale for $19.97 until midnight Nov 3rd at PC Aviator; I literally just ordered mine like 20 minutes ago! :d I reviewed their P-51B/C collection back for FS9, and if that's an indicator of quality, the FSX P-51D will be amazing.

http://www.pcaviator.com/store/product.php?productid=18941

Check it out! :ernae:

[RKinkor]

The only a2a P-51 that I have is the ported over one from the FS9 Box set. I spent alot of time trying to decide whether or not the Warbirdsim ones are worth the money and my conclusion is they are worth every penny.The only way I see A2A catching the Warbirdsim ones is if the Accu-Sim is offered for free with purchase of the new Mustang I think they are working on. Definitely the Warbirdsim ones are the ones to go with and they are even on sale as a collection for even more savings. I have both the P-51C and P-51D part 1 for FSX and I have to say the D model is actually slightly better in the frame rate department than the B/C pack but that is not a detraction of the B/C at all they are both excellent Thanks Pilatus for the heads up now I can Pack 2!

[Mach3DS]

I've decided to wait for the Accusim P-51. The warbirdsim ones look fantastic, but accusim is a known quantity for me. I know it will deliver. And at virtually the same price, I'm not paying for anything anymore that isn't a known quantity. I just don't want to experiment with my $50+ purchase. It's a lot of money for one aircraft, so I want the most out of it. That's my rationale. Hope it helps you make your own personal decision.

BTW the Warbirdsim P-51 collections are pure art, they really are. I've not seen that kind of detail in another P-51 previously. The devs are extremely talented and I mean no disrespect whatsoever! Fabulous work.

[ColoKent]

..I like it. Yes, the sounds could be better, but I believe it is nicer than the current A2A offering. However, when the next A2A P-51 comes out, I'll be back to look at and consider it.

Even for $45 the Warbirdsim is a nice airplane. Beware however, that if you want authentic "war" versions of the airplane (versus restorations without a gunsight in the cockpit), be careful which package you buy.

Just my .02.

Kent

[JAllen]

I have the Warbirdsim P51 and can't wait for the A2A Accusim version. Love the artwork and accuracy put into Warbirdsim models. I will have A2A for entirely different reason, immersion in the operation. Don't even ask me to choose one over the other. Visual vs operation is how I see it. Perhaps the new model from A2A will look just as good, for whatever P51 they chose?

Jim

[jankees]

I had the Flight1 version, and still have the old A2A version next to the warbirdsim , and I have done lots of paints for these last two. I like them both. The old A2A version as the best available then, the WBS is the best now. I will buy the new A2A accusim version the moment it arrives, preferably tomorrow, and I don't doubt I will love it. Will it be better than the WBS version? Immersion wise I have little doubt. Looks, well, we'll see, won't we? I'm sure I'll be painting it anyway..

skyhawk: I had a hard time with the P-47 at first too, but after watching a few old WWII instruction movies, it all came togther for me, and now it's a piece of cake. I can keep it flying until the petrol runs out, and landing is real easy once you know how to do it. Don't give up on the jug just yet..
sluggish, yes, at low altitude, but get it up there...

[Mach3DS]

Ooooh, $19 for WBS, now that's a different story!

[Bomber_12th]

All I can say, is if visual authenticity counts, please do some research and comparisons, inside and out, before deciding what is ultimately and altogether 'better'. ; )

Fun "little" details like this, took roughly a month of full-time development work, in order to complete it to reproduce it in complete accuracy and authenticity (all of the amounts and positions of rivets, bolts, screws, and spot-welds are accurate, as is even details such as the forward gunbay-door hinge and the number of links in the ammunition guide-chutes).

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Image2_Enchantress.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/gunbay-1.jpg

Everything on the Warbirdsim P-51D's was given this same level of attention however.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/compa_5.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/cockpit1-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/cockpit_img2.jpg

Besides the authentic interiors of the aircraft (of which there are many different examples, throughout the packs, and not just one, as you would find in any other P-51 product), the Warbirdsim P-51D's feature the most accurate exterior visual models (you can see for yourself if this continues to hold true), with all of the original contours and lines just as they are, with details accurate down to rivet-counts.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/inyourface.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/ButchBaby_2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/BBD_5.jpg

[Eoraptor1]

Ooooh, $19 for WBS, now that's a different story!


Indeed it is.

JAMES

[Henry]

just simply stunning:applause:













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[Bomber_12th]

Warbirdsim has covered many P-51D variants that you simply cannot find produced, or being produced, by anyone else, for Microsoft Flight Simulator.

The first and only P-51K:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Image28-5.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Image27-3.jpg

The first and only F-6D:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/f6d_5.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Image14-5.jpg

The first and only Iwo Jima P-51D:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/p51_img2.jpg

The first and only NACA P-51D:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/naca_51.jpg

Warbirdsim also offers the only dual-seat P-51D's, the only dual-control P-51D, as well as other, rare, one-off restorations, and other details never before reproduced:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/FF704_1-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/405_mustang.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little Friends/Image6.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Little Friends/Image1.jpg

And soon to be arriving, the first "true" P-51D-5-NA, which will be the finest Warbirdsim product yet produced, utilizing everything that has been learned to date:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Donald_Close_Up_4.jpg

[JAllen]

Now if we could get Warbirdsim P-51D-5-NA fitted with an Accusim module...

THAT would be THE best P-51!!!!!!!

Jim

[huub vink]

Gabe,

The question you asked can only be answered by you. Whether the A2A Mustang or the Warbirdsim model is the one for you, depends on what you expect and what you want from a model.

A Warbirdsim package contains several models which are absolutely accurate in every details. The A2A Mustang is single model, which has a few shortcomings, which are most likely only noticed by the purists. Where the Little Friends package is a history lesson for me, the A2A is nothing more or nothing less than a nice toy for me. But you should realise that this is just my personal preference.

When you like repaints, the A2A Mustang is the one to choose as there are uncountable repaints made. As there was a very good piantkit available most of these are high quality. However the textures on the Warbirdsim by John Terrell are absolutely top-class! Accurate in every detail again and every model/version even has its own level of shine and reflection. YOu can even recognise which kind of surface treatment every piece of aluminium or steel has had.

A2A currently has a new Mustang under development. As I haven't seen the model yet I can not comment on it. I'm one of the few people who don't really like accusim and therefore I most probably will stick to my Warbirdsim Mustang. However Accusim definitely adds to the possibilities you can do with your model.

To summarise, the Warbirdsim Mustang is far more accurate than the current A2A Mustang. However when you want to "play" with the model, you can perhaps better wait until the accusimmed A2A version will be released. When you want to have a nice, but not 100% accurate, model for an attractive price the current A2A offering is the one for you.

Cheers,
Huub


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Hubert_a1a.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Hubert_a1b.jpg

[txnetcop]

I have both and love both. John did a ton of detail on his P-51s and the price is hard to beat. Bomber did a BEAUTIFUL Bird with so much eye-candy it should be too hard to resist. Just wait till you get her off the ground and in the air and listen! She flies like wild mustang...no pun intended! Get BOTH when A2As new P-51 comes out!

Judging by the A2A's Spitfire the P-51 with the updated Accusim is going to be nothing short of AMAZING!!! I'll say again GET BOTH the P-51 by A2A will not be that far away in the future. The P-40 is next and the upgrade path to P-51 will not that long. By the way study up on Tex Hill's accurate assessment of the P-40 in low-level fighting against the Japanese. It was a better fighter than some modern writers give credit. If you go on the A2A site and read about the P-40 the Brits and Aussies gave it a good thumbs up too! It wasn't a Spit, a P-47, or P-51 but it did the job very well in capable hands. My information on the P-40s ability in low-level combat came first hand. Tex Hill was a neighbor when I was kid and all the kids on the block loved to hear Tex's accounts of the beloved P-40s.
Ted

[Flame-Prop]

It's been a real pleasure reading all the advice. And yeah, I have to admit I am a realism nutter but the technical words for that are I purely love realism and wish to get as close as I can get to the plane that I could almost kiss it. I do admire A2A's works of art, besides the P51 they have produced very nice vintage aircraft. A strong 50 for such a legend, I'm thinking right now from the detail I have seen is worth it. Sure it's one plane, but looks soo real I can "feel" there. I'm planning to get the P-51 Little friends since I wanted to keep the whole original background related to the war this upcoming Christmas. I never felt more confident about a plane before other than the P51 from Warbird Sim. But also, I am very very intrested to see how A2A's P51 will turn out. What I did see in some of their P51 development videos is that there is a new model ( not 100% sure on that one) but the sounds will be 100% there which I clearly saw, like the one below :kilroy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejsc1BwKDn4

[alehead]

If I understand it correctly, the A2A Mustang with Accusim has been rebuilt from the "ground up" so to speak. It is a completely new aircraft and is not a rehash of their old FS9 model which was ported to FSX some time ago. Above all, the engine simulation and its management, for those with experience of the A2A Accusimmed Spitfire MkI/II, is the business, but by no means the end of it.

As good as the Warbirdsim 51Ds look, I am going to wait on the A2A to see what that has first. I personally don't need a large number of repaints, one or two goos ones will suffice me, as I spend 99% of the time inside the VC anyway, managing the aircraft systems and engine...

Some great advice and comments here though! It is all down to what you expect from the package, and the details listed really help to make that decision.

Andrew

[Flame-Prop]

Absolutely, I like the idea of the whole Accusim feature, because It has a challenge like the plane did. I think alot of people are starting to think, starting a plane now all that requires is the press of a few buttons. It's how pilots get lazy, not like the old days where there was a workout just walking around you plane, bending down to find the fuel pump, had to do all these little things to the engine to get her going. Now what I wonder about Warbird sim is how realistic the procedure is for starting it up, is it simialr to the startup procedures in the Accusim packs, how many sounds does it have, can you hear the buttons as you click them. Anyone could be swept off their feet with the amount of detail put in the Warbird sim's P51's. They however aren't as opened so it's like a surprise package. Im guessing there is a good reason for that. Ahhhh, I am patient to see how the newly refurbished A2A's P51 turns out like but getting more anctions to get the Warbird sims P51 because of the "everything" about it. I don't suppose anyone knows what would roughly be the finish date of the A2A's new P51?

Gabe

[Bomber_12th]

They however aren't as opened so it's like a surprise package.

Gabe, what questions do you have, pertaining to the Warbirdsim Mustangs? I'm completely open to answering any. I have talked at great length, in the past on this forum, about the various Mustangs covered by Warbirdsim, so-much so, that I feel that if I continue, it will just push people away.

The difference between say sitting in the cockpit of the Warbirdsim Mustangs, and any other Mustang for this simulator, or any other simulator, whether already produced, or in production right now, is that what you see is really what there is/was, with nothing made up, and nothing done without research, using original production drawings, photos, documents, manuals, etc. (from what I have seen on all other P-51D productions, either already made or currently in production, that simply cannot be said, for many reasons). For instance, I dare you to simply find another P-51D with correct fuel gages (correct gage backings, correct gage housings, and correct mounted-positions in the cockpit), and a correct assortment of gages for that matter (no more/no less than what was originally installed, and of the correct types). If as simple of details as these, cannot be reproduced correctly, what does that say for the rest of the aircraft? When you view the windscreen and canopy framing from within a Warbirdsim P-51D cockpit, it is all properly proportioned, with all of the right dimensions - the windscreen isn't vertically or horizontally stretched, as you may very well find on any other example (the FSX Acceleration P-51D is one the of the worst in this regard - though I won't name names of others, almost equally so), leading to a distorted/wrong impression as to what it is to be, seated in the cockpit, with the framing structures correctly modeled per the real thing as well, with no made-up screws/rivets/holes, etc., as you will continue to find in other productions. This same level of care continues to the shaping of the instrument panel shroud, which is also purely of the original form, and thus when you look at the forward view in one of the Warbirdsim P-51D cockpits (they are all accurately different, depending on which variant you fly) the combination of the windscreen design, instrument panel shroud design, instrument panel design and layout, is all strictly accurate and authentic, making it the only flight sim Mustang out there that you can fly, in which the views are all spot on to the real thing. And this carries through to no-matter where you look around the cockpit, either out the left or right sides of the canoppy, or deep down into the cockpit, or even back around and behind the armor plate, to the fuselage fuel tank, radios, battery, fuel gage, etc. The canopy assembly itself was all built and assembled using the original blue-print drawings, like many components throughout the cockpit and exterior models. The smallest details, like the correct type-face for all of the internal stencils and placards, or the inspection stickers and stamps throughout the cockpit on electrical panels, found on all production P-51's - these types of details aren't being reproduced by anyone else, and it is one of those things that feels very much like a responsibility of mine to make sure is incorporated.

On the exterior, the very same holds true. If you take a photo of a real P-51D, and if you are able to recreate the exact angle/zoom in the sim, you will find that every detail and contour lines up...that is why I am completely at ease, posting screenshots like this one below. It wasn't until the release of the Warbirdsim P-51D's that you could find a Mustang, straight from the developer (without my 3rd-party repaints or paintkit being used), with all of the correct panel lines, fasteners, and rivets. The same could be said about correct/authentic stencils, silver-painted wings (as all P-51D's had, leaving the factory), multiple canopy-forms (based on production location, production block, and/or restoration), correctly articulated landing gear (remember when so much attention was given to just getting that right, and almost no one seemed to be able to?), and the first to have a properly animated aerial antenna wire, removeable exhaust shrouds, fully accurate and fully reproduced gunbay, 108 and 110 gallon drop tanks, accurate and fully-modeled P-51D wheels, a total of four different authentic propeller types, correctly recreated landing gear doors, etc...the list goes on, and on, with other firsts, such as small details like the static-wire and relief tube hose along the bottom of the tail - installed on most all P-51D's, but never seen before on any other production. All of these things you simply could not find on a P-51D for flight sim use, until the Warbirdsim P-51D's were released, but you can now start to find 'some' of these being incorporated on another company's P-51D in the making (despite the fact that they insist they do not make decisions based on other's work, though those items were not incorporated on that company's product before Warbirdsim introduced them). Some of the points I am most proud of, however, is being the first to truly capture the correct contours of the nose, belly scoop, and tail, and the first to actually incorporate the original laminar airfoil into the wings, just as they really are - it's any wonder why such an important detail of the Mustang was never reproduced before - based on how others have modeled the Mustang, it simply shouldn't have flown like a Mustang in the sim.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/ButchBaby_2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/Bomber_12th/Donald_Close_Up_1.jpg

I have to stop myself short of posting side-by-side comparisons, between my work and other's work, and that of the real thing, and how they stack up, as that would be frowned upon by many, I suspect...that is something that can be done by anyone else, though there seems to continue to be a reluctance to do so... While I have actually read comments by some, along the lines of, "companies only choose to continue to produce the P-51 for flight sim because it sells well", the one and only reason why Warbirdsim and I ever got involved with the P-51, was to finally provide ourselves, and the community, the opportunity to have a flight sim reproduction of the aircraft, that was unlike all the rest, and thus fixed all the problems we saw continuing to be made with other examples. This attitude really took off when we began work on the P-51D's. Some like to use the letters "YAM" to describe any flight sim P-51, as "yet another Mustang", however I don't believe any of the Mustang products released through Warbirdsim could be grouped into that, but if there is little concern for what I have described above, with all that has gone into these aircraft, and how they are so different than all of the rest, it is understandable. The fact that the products are sometimes priced as they are, is simply due to getting returns that allow us to invest the incredible amounts of time on these aircraft, that we otherwise, without compensation for, would not be able to do, as I know from my end, it is very much a full-time commitment.

[Bomber_12th]

For Gabe, or anyone else, here are some of those earlier threads I mentioned, which you may enjoy reading:

"Upupa Epops"
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?45945-Spot-Light-Warbirdsim-s-FSX-P-51D-20NA-‘Upupa-Epops’&highlight=warbirdsim

"NACA 127"
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?45970-Spotlight-Warbirdsim-s-P-51D-25NT-‘NACA-127’&highlight=Spotlight

"Lil' Margaret"
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?46059-Warbirdsim-s-F-6D-Lil-Margaret&highlight=Lil'+Margaret

"Buzzin Cuzzin"
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?50400-P-51D-25-NT-Buzzin-Cuzzin&highlight=Buzzin+Cuzzin

[stovall]

John, being an ole timer, I have flown just about every P-51 Mustang produced for Microsoft Flight Simulator from way back. I still have all the install files on saved discs. After purchasing the Warbirdsim P-51D three pack just offered for winter sale, I have removed all the previous versions from flyable aircraft in FSX. For me there is no reason to have the others because of the fantastic Mustang from Warbirdsim. Even with all the years of flying the P-51 in simulation I am still learning and find the new features you mentioned about really cool.

I for one thank Warbirdsim for producing such a fine product and for the countless hours it takes to do so. I have been a humble painter who got his start with Graham from Australia in the old days. Another friend was the special effects man Hermann Boltz (Krazy) I am sure these guys would appreciate the Warbirdsim Mustang as well.

Thanks again and keep up the good work.

[Bomber_12th]

And here is a thread I posted not too long ago, where I just wanted to try and highlight just how accurate and authentic the cockpits on the Warbirdsim P-51D's are, for anyone who didn't quite understand or wanted to see first-hand.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?55781-An-Investment-of-Research-Time-and-Passion...&highlight=investment+time

[Bomber_12th]

John, being an ole timer, I have flown just about every P-51 Mustang produced for Microsoft Flight Simulator from way back. I still have all the install files on saved discs. After purchasing the Warbirdsim P-51D three pack just offered for winter sale, I have removed all the previous versions from flyable aircraft in FSX. For me there is no reason to have the others because of the fantastic Mustang from Warbirdsim. Even with all the years of flying the P-51 in simulation I am still learning and find the new features you mentioned about really cool.

I for one thank Warbirdsim for producing such a fine product and for the countless hours it takes to do so. I have been a humble painter who got his start with Graham from Australia in the old days. Another friend was the special effects man Hermann Boltz (Krazy) I am sure these guys would appreciate the Warbirdsim Mustang as well.

Thanks again and keep up the good work.

Thank you very much for your feedback, Tom, it really means a lot to me!

I still think back, from time to time, to when the most accurate-looking Mustang I could get my hands on, early in FS9 (mid-2003), was the Roger Dial freeware example, and all I could think about was how nice it could be to have a VC with this aircraft, much less concern myself with the most basic of details. : )

[Phantom88]

I think as FSX addon consumers we are very lucky to have such a great choice in ultra quality Warbirds.I can't see how you could go wrong with either Developer.They both share a zealous passion for our hobby and the aircraft

[jankees]

Hey, I remember that old mustang too! I must say I never liked that one.
There was another one by someone with a japanese sounding name I forgot that I flew for a while, until I found the A2A/Shockwave version, my very first payware ( and repaints)...and now the wbs ones, lovely stuff.
We've come a long way since then...

[huub vink]

There was another one by someone with a japanese sounding name I forgot that I flew for a while......

Andrew C. Wai? (who later became CWDT?)

[Bomber_12th]

There was Andrew's as well, but I believe Jan Kees is thinking of Shigeru Tanaka (a name that still easily comes to mind).

[jankees]

There was Andrew's as well, but I believe Jan Kees is thinking of Shigeru Tanaka (a name that still easily comes to mind).

That's the one! I had fun with that one for a while, but it was one of those 'no repaints allowed' aircraft, and I wanted to make a paint of a plastic model I'd just found in the attic, so I looked elsewhere, and found the Shockwave Stang...

[Eoraptor1]

I have both and love both. John did a ton of detail on his P-51s and the price is hard to beat. Bomber did a BEAUTIFUL Bird with so much eye-candy it should be too hard to resist. Just wait till you get her off the ground and in the air and listen! She flies like wild mustang...no pun intended! Get BOTH when A2As new P-51 comes out!

Judging by the A2A's Spitfire the P-51 with the updated Accusim is going to be nothing short of AMAZING!!! I'll say again GET BOTH the P-51 by A2A will not be that far away in the future. The P-40 is next and the upgrade path to P-51 will not that long. By the way study up on Tex Hill's accurate assessment of the P-40 in low-level fighting against the Japanese. It was a better fighter than some modern writers give credit. If you go on the A2A site and read about the P-40 the Brits and Aussies gave it a good thumbs up too! It wasn't a Spit, a P-47, or P-51 but it did the job very well in capable hands. My information on the P-40s ability in low-level combat came first hand. Tex Hill was a neighbor when I was kid and all the kids on the block loved to hear Tex's accounts of the beloved P-40s.
Ted

Ted,

Could you recommend a book title containing Tex Hill's assessment of the P-40?

Many Thanks,

JAMES

[txnetcop]

Ted,

Could you recommend a book title containing Tex Hill's assessment of the P-40?

Many Thanks,

JAMES
Here ya go James:

David Lee Hill and Reagan Schaupp - Tex Hill: Flying Tiger ISBN 1-885354-15-0 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/1885354150)

http://www.warbirdforum.com/avg.htm

The book is hard to find but it is out there. The forum I listed second suggests that the author romanticized Tex Hill and the P-40 but there many excerpts where Tex and other famous Flying Tigers gave testimony to the agility and ability to absorb great punishment and still secure the objective. The combat record of the P-40 speaks for itself. It was an available lend lease aircraft used by the British, Aussies, Russians etc., those pilots who learned how to best use the P-40 extol it's virtues especially the later models.

[Eoraptor1]

Here ya go James:

David Lee Hill and Reagan Schaupp - Tex Hill: Flying Tiger ISBN 1-885354-15-0 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/1885354150)

http://www.warbirdforum.com/avg.htm

The book is hard to find but it is out there. The forum I listed second suggests that the author romanticized Tex Hill and the P-40 but there many excerpts where Tex and other famous Flying Tigers gave testimony to the agility and ability to absorb great punishment and still secure the objective. The combat record of the P-40 speaks for itself. It was an available lend lease aircraft used by the British, Aussies, Russians etc., those pilots who learned how to best use the P-40 extol it's virtues especially the later models.

Outstanding! Thanks again, Ted.

JAMES

[txnetcop]

Outstanding! Thanks again, Ted.

JAMES

Here is an interesting series on the P-40 on youtube 1 of 4. While it was rarely a tit for tat match with most of the fighters it came up against in the right hands it earned the reputation as one of the deadliest fighters.

http://youtu.be/xRkdkgmGXx8

[Eoraptor1]

Here is an interesting series on the P-40 on youtube 1 of 4. While it was rarely a tit for tat match with most of the fighters it came up against in the right hands it earned the reputation as one of the deadliest fighters.

http://youtu.be/xRkdkgmGXx8

I have this documentary on VHS somewhere (when I was really sick, my uncle brought me blank tapes by the 12-pack) buried in the basement. The P-40, flown within its limits, gets my vote for the most underrated fighter in WWII, semi-tied with the Hawker Hurricane. The reason the P-40 edges out the Hurricane in my book is because I trace the Hurri's being underrated largely due to it's operating alongside the Supermarine Spitfire; sort of like a hardworking, industrious daughter, who has a prettier, more outgoing sister.

JAMES

[oakfloor]

When they get the sound right, then I think they will have A2A beat for a mustang sim, But waiting for A2A is...:sleep:

[txnetcop]

Ya gotta love this sound...
http://youtu.be/3_cYlDjP_FM

Now let's get back to the real topic at hand MUSTANG!!!!

[Eoraptor1]

I had a bit of money left in my PayPal account from a gift, and I pulled the trigger yesterday on the Warbirdsim P-51D Part 2 on sale at PC Aviator. It is superb. Thank you PilatusTurbo for the heads up. I'm on an austerity budget, and could never have justified the 50 USD+ price tag. After the VRS Superbug, this a/c impresses me for level of detail more than any other, and it was suprisingly easy on the frames. For the sale price, it was definitely worth it. If I had the money, I'd have all the P-51 models. I'm a long time flightsimmer, but only a few months in on FSX, so I feel I have to qualify my recommendation. Still, I'm very impressed with what the people at Warbirdsim have accomplished with this model.

JAMES

PS I think tomorrow midnight is the end of the sale, so the clock is ticking.

[Flame-Prop]

Alright, I know now that Warbird sim has done it. I will do it, gonna skin the time from Christmas and buy P51 little friends today. Was looking the "the right" P51 for years and I believe I'm looking at it right here. This one will be the flagship of Flight Sim X, cheers guys :icon29::medals:

[PilatusTurbo]

This is it... This is the definitive Mustang. Just got my first, albeit it early morning/late flight, and three words... Wow... Wow... WOW... :ernae:

She is stunning and accurate and real to every little detail. WBS has knocked this thing outta the park! Not to mention it's beautifully optimized, so it runs very smoothly. This P-51 will get me back from my month long FSX hiatus.

The VC, sounds, and models are just incredibly detailed, not to mention a very nice flight model. :ernae:

Thanks for the amazing sale. Very worth every penny at either price. :ernae:

[WarBert]

As John has pointed out, it has been almost an obsession for us to get things right. I crawled over many D models over here in the UK and put together hundreds of photo sets for John. Knowing full well that he would do it justice and would not settle until we had, what we could see in the photographs and on plans.
I sat in 'Janie' at Hardwick back in January 2008 for 4hrs photographing every nook and cranny and soaked up the views out and position of the K-14 relative to your face. It does seem pretty close to you in the real deal. Hopefully we captured that in the models.

it was not a competition of who can make the best Mustang, but merely the fact that we wanted to get it right for ourselves first.

Thanks to everyone for the very nice comments here, it makes it all worthwhile.

A few poeple have expressed a dislike of the sounds. We used unmixed straight recordings of the Packard V-1650, on the ground up to 2800 rpm, which true enough is not full boost, but pretty close without the aircraft being tethered. The sounds in the air are to close to boost. Peter Teichman who flew me twice, is an extremely careful an attentive owner of Warbirds and nothing is ever pushed or overcooked.

The next aircraft after Little Friends II will be given the same level of attention.

We have firm plans, but I would be interested to know what people would like to see!

Albert
www.warbirdsim.com (http://www.warbirdsim.com)

[jankees]

We have firm plans, but I would be interested to know what people would like to see!


Personally, I would love to see a good B-26 Marauder

but meanwhile, here's me, playing with your baby:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX13404.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/Belgie/FX13408.jpg

[Sundog]

I would love the A-20/Boston/P-70 series done to Warbirdsim detail. The A-20 is one of my favs and seems to be the red headed step child of twins in FS.

[Creepy847]

Jankees heres something to hold you over till someone finishes one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSIsoj1QPAc&feature=related

[AusWilko]

Has their been a top of the line version done of the Corsair?