MILVIZ T-38 current pics...

[Bone]

Kazycolin and his team of extremely smart modellers are putting in some crazy effort on this one.

The real T-38 is known to be a handfull in pattern ops, and so is this one.



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[falcon409]

That's just awesome!!:applause::applause::applause:

[Bone]

A few more of the NASA paint. In another day or so, there's going to be a model update which has an air cart for starting engines, and crew ladders. Pics of those items will be forthcoming.


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[DaveKDEN]

Absolutely Fantastic!!!

[ColoKent]

"A few more pics of the NASA paint...just to torture Kent"

Kent

[Bone]

Yes, Kent, I'm so glad you brought that up. Colin has arranged for the current space shuttle commander, Capt. Giffords, to be your IP while you learn how to fly this plane. Since he's about to be out of a job, and his wife is unable to work after the unfortunate occurance in Arizona, his name has been put on the aft canopy. And, the travel pod has been installed, just for you.

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[krazycolin]

Show the landing gear handle!!!!

[ColoKent]

....I happened to drive RIGHT past where that unfortunate incident happened about an hour before the tragedy. I was heading back up to Phoenix after completing my AF fitness test at Davis Monthan.

Weird.

And thank you for the travel pod, Colin!

Kent

[Bone]

Ah yes, the landing gear handle. The real T-38 jocks working on this program have sort of a love affair with this system...after all it's pretty important. Bill (NG4IX) has really been the Harmony.com guy and has performed some magic...he's performed alot of magic throughout this T-38. Sooo, when the gear handle is placed down, the suedo clear handle will turn red because the actual gear position is in disagreement with the position of the handle. When the gear is down and locked, the red light goes out in the handle, and the three green lights illuminate. However, if that doesn't work, you have to freefall the gear using the freefall assist handle, which is below the primary gear handle. There's a procedure for that, too, because it's not just a simple matter of pulling it. You're going to have to read the manual and take a test...lol, JK...about the test, I mean.

Oh, and I stole a pic from Bill, showing the air cart and crew ladders. The pic also shows the preflight utility menu, where you can select these things.

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[krazycolin]

you can actually see the inside of the handle.. and that is pretty darned cool!

As well, I also built the static huffer (the big a$$ vacuum cleaner!)

[Felixthreeone]

Super nice. Oh, and my requisite....'are we there yet' lol

[Bone]

Ok, here's a better shot. The inside of the gear handle has a cross that the plastic wheel is molded on. On the top of the cross is the red light that illuminates whenever there's a disagreement between the actual position of the gear and the position of the gear handle. This is craftwork.

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[krazycolin]

Thanks mate! Ken has just started the manual so, not quite there yet.

[Phantom88]

That's Quality!!!:jump:

[YoYo]

Wow. Looks better and better! Many details. Crg!

[Dave Torkington]

First class work - very well done!

[centuryseries]

It looks great, but I have a few points I need clarification on:

Assuming that the paint shown with Mark Kelly's name is representing a fairly modern 2000's Nasa paint scheme.

Mark Kelly was selected to be an astronaut in 1996, and didn't get to fly the shuttle until 2001 - by which time the pitot probe had been lopped off, and the cockpits retrofitted for shuttle landing training duties. It's a minor thing, but if you're going to include a Nasa paint some folk may pick up on these details.

Indeed if this is a modern representation of the Nasa T-38N some now have the T-38C Propulsion Modernisation Program inlets and two small black aerials on top of the nose. But more importantly they don't seem to have the traditional pitot probe these days.

Will there be any model changes for a Nasa version? It seems a waste to have such great detail and paintwork with a model that is a standard T-38A?

Just my 2c. Constructive as always! :salute:

[VinFlyer]

WOW, the detail in this is fantastic. I want one :jump:

[SixGhost]

Cool! Pilots look much better now! Congrats! :salute:

[FlameOut]

his name has been put on the aft canopy Now that is a good and honorable thing to do. Could we have more astronaut names? :applause:
Does his shuttle flight go tomorrow, weather and systems pending?

This baby looks fantastic!

[krazycolin]

It looks great, but I have a few points I need clarification on:

Assuming that the paint shown with Mark Kelly's name is representing a fairly modern 2000's Nasa paint scheme.

Mark Kelly was selected to be an astronaut in 1996, and didn't get to fly the shuttle until 2001 - by which time the pitot probe had been lopped off, and the cockpits retrofitted for shuttle landing training duties. It's a minor thing, but if you're going to include a Nasa paint some folk may pick up on these details.

Indeed if this is a modern representation of the Nasa T-38N some now have the T-38C Propulsion Modernisation Program inlets and two small black aerials on top of the nose. But more importantly they don't seem to have the traditional pitot probe these days.

Will there be any model changes for a Nasa version? It seems a waste to have such great detail and paintwork with a model that is a standard T-38A?

Just my 2c. Constructive as always! :salute:

The idea with this livery was to give a bit of honor to the astronauts, victims of insane shootings and the space program, all in one shot to speak.

We are making a T-38C and it will be available sometime after the A is released. For now though, we will be making do with the A for all liveries.

Thanks for the compliments all!

[ColoKent]

...using poetic licsence. MilViz's representation is an -A model. The good news is that NASA flew -As from 1964 to the early 2000s (the upgrades to -N were not even started until 2000).

Just as an FYI, there are at least three other JSC NASA schemes that were used when NASA was flying -A, the USAF flew the -A well into the early 2000s, the Navy flew the -A as a Top Gun sim in the 70s and early 80s, as did Portugal and South Korea (flew it in the pilot training role) So there will be plenty of subjects for repainters...

This should be fun...

Kent

[doublecool]

krazycolin,

I have been holding off on many purchase's (budget ya know) just to pick this up as soon as she is available, I like when developer's are excited about there work :wavey: and your posts and the photo's show this ...:applause::applause::applause:

Thank you

doublecool

[skyhawka4m]

USN also flew the T-38A at the Test pilot school and a few different scheme's.....

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[skyhawka4m]

Here's hoping we'll see a T-bird scheme's also....maybe the warbird that is out on the circuit...or even this primer bird would be cool looking.....a boeing chase plane...

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[n4gix]

After much wailing and nashing-of-teeth, I finally managed to satisfy the crusty curmudgeons on the Alpha/Beta test team with the bloody gear lollipop! Man, these guys are B R U T A L taskmasters!!! :violent:

The lollipop will glow red whenever the gear warning is active, or gear is in transit and unlocked. :ernae:
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[ColoKent]

....nice!!!!

Kent

[Bone]

Bravo, Bill, Bravo. A round of Golf Claps is in order...

[fsafranek]

...using poetic licsence. MilViz's representation is an -A model. The good news is that NASA flew -As from 1964 to the early 2000s (the upgrades to -N were not even started until 2000).

Just as an FYI, there are at least three other JSC NASA schemes that were used when NASA was flying -A, the USAF flew the -A well into the early 2000s, the Navy flew the -A as a Top Gun sim in the 70s and early 80s, as did Portugal and South Korea (flew it in the pilot training role) So there will be plenty of subjects for repainters...

This should be fun...

Kent

The idea with this livery was to give a bit of honor to the astronauts, victims of insane shootings and the space program, all in one shot to speak.

We are making a T-38C and it will be available sometime after the A is released. For now though, we will be making do with the A for all liveries.

Thanks for the compliments all!
Here's what the NASA T-38N panel looks like (Don Logan's book indicates that four had completed conversion by the time he went to press in 1995). Not a T-38A anymore and certainly not a T-38C.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenn_calvin/5404906662/

Aircraft with this panel can be spotted from the outside by the longer black radome (for the weather radar) and repositioned pitot tube. N963NA was not one of the early conversions.

By the way, we have NASA to thank for the T-38C intake and exhaust changes.
:ernae:

[Bone]

Here's what the NASA T-38N panel looks like :ernae:

I see where the payware FSD T-38 got the idea for it's EADI/EHSI configuration, and the red painted canopy bow from.

[krazycolin]

We're not making a T-38N at this time though it may be considered at some point

[Bone]

N963NA was not one of the early conversions.


:ernae:

Ah yes, thanks Frank, for pointing that out. That's why Gunnar painted the Milviz T-38A using the N963NA tail number, because it's a historically accurate livery for the T-38A as used by NASA a number of years ago.

Of course, what isn't accurate is Capt Giffords name on the aft canopy.

[fsafranek]

Ah yes, thanks Frank, for pointing that out. That's why Gunnar painted the Milviz T-38A using the N963NA tail number, because it's a historically accurate livery for the T-38A as used by NASA a number of years ago.

Of course, what isn't accurate is Capt Giffords name on the aft canopy.
Using the original panel layout also allows for repaints of the earlier NASA schemes
as well -- yellow band and "worm".
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[ColoKent]

....Yellow Band. BTW-- apparently, NASA 960 was kept in Yellow Band well after all others had been repainted in "worm" livery. I believe one of the JSC senior AOD pilots had a liking for that scheme, and that is why they kept one painted like that.

Kent

[Bone]

Speaking of NASA. As luck would have it, I went to Houston, TX yesterday afternoon. The Rokit1 RNAV arrival with the Hobby rwy 4 transition takes you right past Ellington field. The turn to downwind for rwy 4 at Hobby happens right after you go past Ellington...that's the turn away from Ellington in the last pic.


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[LonelyplanetXO]

Yeah... Interesting pics...I'm trying to avoid payware at the moment... but then, the FSD NASA skinned T-38 was always my fav in FS9... argh....cannot....resist...must...buy...

LPXO

[ColoKent]

...the better!

Kent

[Roadburner440]

Yeah... Interesting pics...I'm trying to avoid payware at the moment... but then, the FSD NASA skinned T-38 was always my fav in FS9... argh....cannot....resist...must...buy...

LPXO

We understand the apprehensions. We are working some stuff behind closed doors as far as a trial/demo type period on future products.. Nothing has been finalized as of yet though, so it may not make it in time for the T-38. We have had a refund policy on the 310R though that if people didn't like or had severe issues with it they could get their money back, and have their product de-activated. Just had to write us directly and explain. Granted not many people have utilized it, and I hope that means we have a lot of happy customers. I do not think people will be disappointed though with the upcoming lineup.

[Felixthreeone]

...Are we there yet????......:kilroy:

[fsafranek]

Speaking of NASA. As luck would have it, I went to Houston, TX yesterday afternoon. The Rokit1 RNAV arrival with the Hobby rwy 4 transition takes you right past Ellington field. The turn to downwind for rwy 4 at Hobby happens right after you go past Ellington...that's the turn away from Ellington in the last pic.
The golf course is looking good. Sorry, off topic. :kilroy:
:ernae:

[peter12213]

Thats probs the most confusing airfield ever!

[Bone]

..I'm trying to avoid payware at the moment... but then, ... argh....cannot....resist...must...buy...

LPXO

Come to Poppa...


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[Flyboy208]

Awesome screenshots Bone ! So happy to see the pilots wearing the HGU-55 helmets as well, instead of the old 33's - this is looking like one outstanding T-38 model by MILVIZ !!! Mike :ernae:

[krazycolin]

MINE!!!!!

oh. right. it actually IS mine!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!

Oh, ok.... it will be everyone who can afford the 75 dollars!

JUST KIDDING!!!!

Pricing has not been decided yet....

[LonelyplanetXO]

"Come to Poppa..."

LOLOLOL Sooo...is it ready yet? is it ready yet?....No? .... How about now?...

LPXO

[Bone]

Awesome screenshots Bone ! So happy to see the pilots wearing the HGU-55 helmets as well, instead of the old 33's - this is looking like one outstanding T-38 model by MILVIZ !!! Mike :ernae:

Thanks man! It's pretty dang real-like, and where the real T-38 has the tendency for eating a pilots lunch, so does this one. People are going to love it, especially the ex-Mil crowd like yourself.

[Roadburner440]

Thanks man! It's pretty dang real-like, and where the real T-38 has the tendency for eating a pilots lunch, so does this one. People are going to love it, especially the ex-Mil crowd like yourself.

Yeah I crashed it at my own runway in Mayport. Airspeed had bled off just past that point to where it started losing lift and wobbling. Then 'BOOM'. Hate when that happens.

[Barfly]

A pilot at 300 kts + in a Talon is a happy pilot.. A pilot at less than 300 kts need to be very cautious, lol. It's really like a more docile F104 than any type of business jet.

[skyblazer3]

My father flew it only once, and he couldn't believe how fast you had to keep it on final approach.

For those who are beta testing it in multiplayer.... how does it do on frames with multiple aircraft? Also, how large of formation have you put together with it either in multiplayer or using FS Recorder? Does it maintain stability with 3 or 4 aircraft?

There are some models in this sim that do fine as a 2 ship, but anything more and you get weird internet-style lag; it's not frame lag -- but internet lag caused by certain aircraft. I can't explain it. Hopefully those who are beta testing this in multiplayer have experienced what I'm talking about and are aware of what might cause this in FSX.

Dino's F-14 is a good example of this problem, as is the Vertigo F9F. This type of lag occurs regardless of system specs or internet speed.

For those beta testing the T-38, if you have time, you might want to check on the stability of the aircraft in at least a 3 or 4 ship formation.

Looking great -- looking forward to purchasing this one.

Cheers,

Chris

[Roadburner440]

I can't vouch for multiplayer, but I fly in pretty detailed scenery (Jim made a nice rendition of NS Mayport with lots of ships in the basin, detailed hangars, and all the buildings).. I haven't noticed any severe drop off like I sometimes experience with other birds. Bone will hopefully chime in, as he is the one that flies a lot of our birds in various multiplayer situations.

[Barfly]

Stability and response are excellent as IRL, and it should make an outstanding virtual formation plane, though I haven't tested it specifically for that.

edit: you mean internet connection stability I think

[skyblazer3]

@Roadburner, thanks for the quick reply. It's good to know that the frames are good in scenery intensive areas -- that is very important for many FSX users.

@Barfly, Good to hear that the flight model is stable -- also very important.

What I am talking about is not internet lag -- but it looks like internet lag, and it happens with some aircraft in multiplayer -- but it is not internet lag. Let me explain further:

In FSX there are 3 kinds of lag that I've encountered which are related to aircraft.

1. Frame-lag: this is where the computer seems to shutter and frames are temporarily reduced. This can be caused by heavy scenery, other open processes, or multiple polygon intensive aircraft models in multiplayer. This kind of lag is dependent on the hardware of the user.

2. G-force/ poor internet/ high-FPS lag in multiplayer: This is where you see aircraft dart around the sky, sometimes moving hundreds of feet and then reappearing where they began. It can also appear as a left-right or forward-aft quaking movement. This is caused by either a poor internet connection or an aircraft pulling more than 3 Gs in multiplayer. It can also occur if the player has their Frames-per-Second above 29, as the screen will re-draw faster than the multiplayer data is transmitted. This happens regardless of what aircraft is being flown as long as these conditions are met.

3. AIRCRAFT INDUCED LAG -- This looks exactly like the internet lag that I described in #2; however, it occurs all the time, even in level unloaded flight. It only occurs with a few models that I know and it is extremely frustrating. In fact, the effects can be worse than the lag in #2. Sometimes you will be taxing onto a runway, but people will still see you at your parking spot, or you will be miles away from where others see you flying. The thing about this type of lag, is that you must have 3 or 4 aircraft for it to show up -- and it only occurs on very few models -- I'm not sure what causes it. It is a great mystery to me; but it makes certain aircraft flyable only as a 2-ship. It happens both with FSX native and FS2004 models.



I don't want to hijack this thread and make it into a discussion of lag -- I just want to know how the guys flying the T-38 in multiplayer have found it to be on lag, and what the largest formation they've had is, and if they've only tested it with 2, if they could try 3 or 4 and see if it is stable.

SOrry for the long post; I think you guys are doing great. I'm picky about this sort of thing because I've purchased other products in the past from other companies and been disappointed because they didn't test this sort of thing. I'm picky because I care about this T-38.

Best,

Chris

[Bone]

Skyblazer3: Hijack away, it's all good.

I've gotten six of the regular model T-38A's in formation at once (fsrecorder), with fps locked at 29, and they varied from 25-29 depending on where I was looking (and I'm looking at a 30 inch 2560x1600 resolution monitor). And yes, it's a fantastic formation platform...surley you knew I would check that out, right? Lol.

Nowwww, here's the good news. Colin and team have built an AI version. I swapped that into some flight plans, and I've gotten 14 AI T-38A's in a tight grouping on the ramp with steady fps of 20 (+ or - a few). I did do a tester with 25 jets, but frames dropped to crappola.

These AI will use the same paints that the regular model takes...so any repaints someone does will fit on them. The down side to that is the AI won't be as light on frames as a true multi LOD'ed AI model...and the upside is they look 100 times better than regular AI. The AI model does have canopy's that will open, and even though NG4IX said that part of the animation wouldn't work yet, I have seen it work in my tests (and I forgot to tell him that...DOH!).

I haven't done any multiplayer over the internet, so I can't help you there. You're going to love this model, but I have to warn you it's not going to fly as easy as the S8 F-86 you love so much. It's a bit of a bitch in the pattern if you don't nail the numbers, ESPECIALLY on the final turn.

[skyblazer3]

That's great news Bone; we all appreciate that sort of intensive testing.

I accept your base-to-final challenge!

Cheers,

Chris

[Bone]

That's great news Bone; we all appreciate that sort of intensive testing.

I accept your base-to-final challenge!

Cheers,

Chris

Haha, it will be a challenge. Locking the green donut up for the sweeping turn from downwind to final..well, lets just say you'll need to practice doing it about 50 times without any witnesses around. Lol.

Hey, Chris, I just put the AI into my six plane formation recording...FPS were locked at 29 and they didn't waver a bit. You can't see #6 in the pics, but he's there.

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[Bone]

Alrighty then, here's the pics of the air cart and crew ladders. Yes, the cart is yellow, but that's because the T-38A model is retro in time. The air cart is also an AC power cart. Along with the high pressure air hose, you can see the AC power plug as well...and the box for the crew chief to coil those things up into after you do the jet start.

Note: The upcoming C model is going to have the new style air starter, and I just learned that it will also be available for the A model in the next Beta update. So, you're going to have the option of using new or old equipment to start your jet.

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[dvj]

Alrighty then, here's the pics of the air cart and crew ladders. Yes, the cart is yellow, but that's because the T-38A model is retro in time. The air cart is also an AC power cart. Along with the high pressure air hose, you can see the AC power plug as well...and the box for the crew chief to coil those things up into after you do the jet start.

Note: The upcoming C model is going to have the new style air starter, and I just learned that it will also be available for the A model in the next Beta update. So, you're going to have the option of using new or old equipment to start your jet.

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Is this going to be freeware? Amazing if it is. Sorry, have not been following the thread.

[HvyEng]

VERY NICE!, you guys shacked the sexy curves of the Talon, I like it!


And now for some general purpose rivet counting......
Driveable AGE, thats a Navy thing. A Note about the AGE, the NC-8A didn't have starting air. The MA-1A and A/M32A-60 was only air, the A/M32A-85 was a combination cart. The current USAF model for combined air/elec is the A/M32A-95 LASS (A.K.A the LASS '95), for power only it's the A/M32A-86 (A.KA. the dash 86).

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[krazycolin]

Well, we went with what we had.

Payware. Sorry. And I think it's amazing even so.

[polcat]

Hvyeng,

The -60 is air and electric, I've used it to get us started. They're noisy as heck.

[HvyEng]

Your right, I completely forgot the -60 had a generator set also. Getting cobwebs upstairs!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Ehh, as long as you disconnect it before flight it shouldn't cause a problem, otherwise it creates some crazy drag and an annoying thumping sound. We used to joke that the T-38 had a pull starter in the ground receptacle and the T-37 used a wind up starter. <o:p></o:p>
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[skyblazer3]

so... can we buy this thing yet? :running:

[krazycolin]

Send money to colin- at - pixelpushers-inc dot com via Paypal. You will receive your T-38A for FSX shortly thereafter.... (seriously!)

The manual is being written as we speak. Final testing is going on. Soon. Feel free to ask every hour or so... if you wish. It will still be at least a week to ten days...

[Roadburner440]

Working on wrapping it up. Testing FDE 7 now.. Depending on how this round of beta goes like Colin said anywhere from a week to 10 days.

[Barfly]

go get 8....

[Bone]

Gunnar, where are those "BB" pics? Lol.

[Skyhawk18]

Gunnar, where are those "BB" pics? Lol.

:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

Well, soon finished.


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A Thunderbird livery is in progress. But I realize that the TB will take some time, as the textures are rather complex.
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[argo147]

Nice work on the Beale Bandit, you guys are really doing some fantastic work! It's been a while since I purchased any payware but I can tell you that the credit card is coming out of the wallet as soon as this hit's the market! Keep up the good work gentleman!

[JAllen]

This looks Krazy good! Can hardly wait. But, can you lose the silly driveable power cart and put a -60 there on the flightline? You active duty airmen, are -60's still in use or have they been retired along with old crows like me? I used MD-3's if anybody remembers those things! Back on topic, seriously excited to get a T-38!!
Somebody mentioned the T-37, is anyone working on one for FSX? Would be nice to have Tweety Bird or Dragonfly to go with the Talon. - Jim

[Bone]

But, can you lose the silly driveable power cart and put a -60 there on the flightline? You active duty airmen, are -60's still in use or have they been retired along with old crows like me? I used MD-3's if anybody remembers those things! Back on topic, seriously excited to get a T-38!!
Somebody mentioned the T-37, is anyone working on one for FSX? Would be nice to have Tweety Bird or Dragonfly to go with the Talon. - Jim

[QUOTE=Bone;586399] Note: The upcoming C model is going to have the new style air starter, and I just learned that it will also be available for the A model in the next Beta update. So, you're going to have the option of using new or old equipment to start your jet.
/QUOTE]

[Roadburner440]

I thought Vertigo was working on a T-37? Or maybe it was something that looked similar to it. I know we personally don't have anything like that in the works. Plenty in the pipeline, but not a T-37.

[Bone]

I thought Vertigo was working on a T-37? Or maybe it was something that looked similar to it.

They are doing the T-33...at least that's what they said.

[delta_lima]

Nice work ... will definitely save up for this one.

For the A model, will there be an earlier (1960-1970s) era NASA paint such as this:

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/F-104/Small/ECN-4647.jpg

Thanks,

dl

[Cag40Navy]

:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

Well, soon finished.


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A Thunderbird livery is in progress. But I realize that the TB will take some time, as the textures are rather complex.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/misc/pencil.png
So..... Maybe you could affix something for me on that paint? Got a love the Beale in Black n' Red.

[n4gix]

This looks Krazy good! Can hardly wait. But, can you lose the silly driveable power cart and put a -60 there on the flightline?

It's a retro model, so should use ancient, steam powered equipment...

...besides, this thing actually works! (supplies 28.5vdc as well as air for the start).

[Bone]

Nice work ... will definitely save up for this one.

For the A model, will there be an earlier (1960-1970s) era NASA paint such as this:

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/F-104/Small/ECN-4647.jpg

Thanks,

dl


I don't speak for Colin or Gunnar, but I'm going to say "no". Colin has ALOT (X6) on his plate right now, and Gunnar is working on paints that require alot of craftsmanship. The NASA paint you've seen in these photo's is it, as far as what comes with the release candidate T-38A. Don't worry, there are talented people who will be doing paints after the release. You're in the right place. :)

Disclaimer: I can be proved wrong...it's happened before.

[krazycolin]

After the Thunderbirds paint(s) that Gunnar is doing, that's pretty much it for liveries. A paint kit will be released at the same time as the plane so that people can do the repaints they wish.

Note that Gunnar has gone far above and beyond any requests that we made of him on this one. He's amazing at what he does...

Thanks Gunnar...

[Skyhawk18]

Nice work ... will definitely save up for this one.

For the A model, will there be an earlier (1960-1970s) era NASA paint such as this:

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/F-104/Small/ECN-4647.jpg

Thanks,

dl

After release, a lot of liveries are planned. This «retro»-NASA will be one of them :jump:

At the moment I will have to focus at the TB (which is a real challenge). A paintkit will also be available (I have to simplify it a bit :running:)

[Kiwikat]

I thought Vertigo was working on a T-37? Or maybe it was something that looked similar to it. I know we personally don't have anything like that in the works. Plenty in the pipeline, but not a T-37.

Oh please no! That thing has the most irritating sound I've ever heard.


This T-38 is looking more impressive every time I see screenshots. You guys have done a brilliant job! :jump:

[delta_lima]

After release, a lot of liveries are planned. This «retro»-NASA will be one of them :jump:

At the moment I will have to focus at the TB (which is a real challenge). A paintkit will also be available (I have to simplify it a bit :running:)

Great to know.

As Colin mentioned, I understand there's a lot of work to date - so will happily wait it out and see what materialises.

Thanks guys!

dl

[Daveroo]

im NOT a nitpicker and i feel bad even saying this....but i was at the beale airforce base open house on april 30th,they had a flight of 5 T-38s open the show and then had a flight of two later and they have a building on the for right of the ramp ( facing the runway)with atleast 7 T-38s parked there,,,i didnt get pics im afraid....but my nitpick is that they were all a high gloss black..not a mat....your screen shots seem to be a mat (matte?) black..maybe your paints are for an older version for vietnam times or something?..i dont know..but its an observation..all the T-38s i saw on april 30th were a high gloss ..

black with red lettering

[krazycolin]

We will verify but, if it was April 3oth THIS year, then it's likely that they were C's and not A's and also, probably, for show purposes. I personally prefer the slight matte feel... But there ya go. Easy enough to change it yourself if you don't like it...

[Bone]

I've looked at a ton of T-38 pics while being a part of the Beta test team, many of which are the BB paint scheme. There's alot of pics where the paint is clearly shiney/glossy, and there's alot of pics where the plane is clearly not shiney ...not because it's painted with a dull or matt paint, but because they haven't been buffed out in awhile. Planes are like cars. They only stay shiney if you leave them in the hangar and never use them. If you use them on a daily basis, the finish tends to dull out.

I'm going out on a limb, here, but I'd bet they had the BB T-38's buffed out to look their best for the show.

[JAllen]

Maybe not buffed at all...what was that wax called that was wiped on and let dry?
Who would take their car to a car show and not polish it before putting it on display? The Thunderbird paint, has to be clean and shiny to be correct. :icon_lol: - Jim

[skyblazer3]

My father's most depressing moment in his career is when he first walked out to the flight line and climbed into a filthy dirty F-100 at Nellis where he was working as a fighter-weapons instructor after just having spent 4 years flying with the aerobatic team in pristine polished airplanes.

[Skyhawk18]

im NOT a nitpicker and i feel bad even saying this....but i was at the beale airforce base open house on april 30th,they had a flight of 5 T-38s open the show and then had a flight of two later and they have a building on the for right of the ramp ( facing the runway)with atleast 7 T-38s parked there,,,i didnt get pics im afraid....but my nitpick is that they were all a high gloss black..not a mat....your screen shots seem to be a mat (matte?) black..maybe your paints are for an older version for vietnam times or something?..i dont know..but its an observation..all the T-38s i saw on april 30th were a high gloss ..

black with red lettering

The screens are not telling the whole truth. The BB is more shiny than shown on these. I'm aware of the glossy surface, and the livery is still under development. So yes, I am going to polish her a bit more :icon_lol:

[Daveroo]

lets clairify someting here..i was NOT complaining,i was asking about it....the comment about the "A" or "C" would satisfy me..or shined for the show ect....i certinly wasnt complaining..as i said i wasnt trying to nitpick

[Bone]

lets clairify someting here..i was NOT complaining,i was asking about it....the comment about the "A" or "C" would satisfy me..or shined for the show ect....i certinly wasnt complaining..as i said i wasnt trying to nitpick

Right. No worries, you did put that disclaimer in your previous post. Here's a few shot's after Gunnar did his thing. It's very glossy now, I hope the screenies convey it appropriately.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-21_11-6-14-829.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-21_11-6-40-529.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-21_11-6-52-509.jpg


http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-21_12-0-22-854.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-21_12-8-15-45.jpg

[Daveroo]

yes bone...that looks great...love it.....one of the threads scares me thouggh....this thing is hard to fly at slow speed?

[Bone]

.....one of the threads scares me thouggh....this thing is hard to fly at slow speed?


Well, it's not designed to fly at slow speeds, so slow flight is not recomended. With that said, however, you do have to land, and the final turn to landing is done in a prestall buffet (for lack of better terminology). Barfly is on the Beta test team, and he's a former T-38 driver. He's infinitely more qualified to talk about the flying characteristics, since he's been the chief test pilot with regards to aerodynamics. Bstolle has actually built the FDE based on real world test data documents, and Barfly's input. Those guys know a heck of alot more about it than I do.

[MenendezDiego]

The T-38 is one of the few aircraft which can break the below 10,000 below 250 knot rule. Talons are able to go to 300 knots below 10,000

Diego

[Barfly]

Generally speaking, minimum speed at low altitude is 300 knots, and is normal speed, with the waiver from the FAA. At that speed normal maneuvers up to a couple g are very easy, as long as you keep a light touch on the stick. For maneuvers transitioning to landing: VFR 'box' patterns are 300 knots, instrument approaches are flown at 220-250 knots; the airplane is cat E for approaches.

Below 300 knots at low alt, maneuvering should be limited to standard rate turns, with no aerobatics. Military overheads are a special case here, where you very rapidly reduce speed from 300 knots to landing; its a very advanced maneuver especially given limitations of computer flying, but is not necessary to get the plane on the ground. You can easily land out of a straight in if you respect the minimum speeds, which we will show you how to calculate.

[weeebbz]

looking great, now how much longer are you going to tease us with it :jump:

[Bone]

It shouldn't be long now. They're about to smear the icing on the cake, and there's a jar of Maraschino Cherry's sitting next to it.

It seems, though, I short-changed some dedicated backseat flyers concerning VC shots. Here's a few, and the jet flys really good from the back seat, with fantastic forward visibility for landing from there.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-24_18-6-25-761.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-24_17-35-3-223.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-24_17-35-27-903.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-24_17-35-41-203.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-24_17-35-46-913.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-24_17-38-9-313.jpg


Here's another of the forward VC, with much better light than the previous ones on page 1.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-24_17-33-35-83.jpg

[Roadburner440]

We still do not have a date for release as we are still testing.. Ken is putting the final touches on the manual with writting the credits and such. Will just be a matter of making sure the final bugs are worked out, and then packing her up for release. I do not have an educated guess though at this point as to when.

As far as the bird being difficult to fly it really isn't hard to fly. It is just trying to break out of old habits.. For me I usually fly older propeller driven birds, or commercial jets. So I am used to flying slower to land than the T-38 likes. This led to a lot of crashes in the beginning, but like with everything eventually you learn it's nuances. Now landing and all is a piece of cake. I think that will be the hardest thing for people that are accustomed to slower birds like me, but you quickly adjust.

EDIT: On second thought. You will know when it is close. Cause like with the 310 we will try to get the paintkit, and manual out there early. I still haven't seen the paint kit come through though, and Ken is still working on the manual. I would say though within a week of when you see the paint kit/manual up on our site providing we do not run into any last minute 'oh by the ways.'

[DaveKDEN]

This model looks to be absolutely stunning!!!

One question, what kind of min specs do you project to run it decently?

[Bone]

This model looks to be absolutely stunning!!!

One question, what kind of min specs do you project to run it decently?

Hmm. Good question. I've been running it on my fairly new rig that has the i980X CPU OC'd to 4.2GhZ, and a NVIDIA GTX 480 vid card. It cuts like a hot knife through butter when I load it up beyond probly what a normal simmer would do.

I have some time tommorrow that I can fire up my old rig that has a QX9650 CPU OC'd to 3.8 GhZ, with an NVIDIA GTX 8800. That will give us an idea about an older machine's performance. Keep in mind I'm using a 30 inch monitor at 2560x1600 res, so whatever stats I can come up with, you may do better if you're using a smaller monitor.

[DaveKDEN]

Hmm. Good question. I've been running it on my fairly new rig that has the i980X CPU OC'd to 4.2GhZ, and a NVIDIA GTX 480 vid card. It cuts like a hot knife through butter when I load it up beyond probly what a normal simmer would do.

I have some time tommorrow that I can fire up my old rig that has a QX9650 CPU OC'd to 3.8 GhZ, with an NVIDIA GTX 8800. That will give us an idea about an older machine's performance. Keep in mind I'm using a 30 inch monitor at 2560x1600 res, so whatever stats I can come up with, you may do better if you're using a smaller monitor.

I've got a Q6600 oc'd to 3.0 GHz and a 768MB GTX8800. I can run Aerosoft's F-16 fairly well in PNW Blue, so long as I stay away from big city areas.

[Roadburner440]

Personally getting 25-30fps on an i-950 system with 6GB RAM, GtX 285 1GB, and Windows 7. Is also with Norton Anti-Virus running in the backround, MSN messenger, and usually i-Tunes. It drops to high teens/low 20's in places like NYC.

[Roadburner440]

Took some screens, and a video. The video is cruddy, but I didn't take it in FRAPS for a reason. Cause then it would have been stuttering, and the whole point of the video would have been negated. Is smooth as silk through NYC even in somewhat bad weather. Like I said I apologize in advance for the way the video looks, but it was the only way to show how smooth it is in the roughest environment I can think of. Cause FRAPS just brings my PC to its knee's for some reason.

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/T-38/T-386-1.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/T-38/T385.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/T-38/T384.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/T-38/T383.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/T-38/T382.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/T-38/T381.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/T-38/th_100_0314.jpg (http://s519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/T-38/?action=view&current=100_0314.mp4)

[Bone]

Here's some info on fps I put in a response that's on p4 of this thread. Please forgive the faux pas of quoting myself. My sliders are full to the right, except for scenery complexity (3/4) and autogen (1/2). I keep those two dialed back because anymore than that just doesn't look like how it does in real life flying.


Skyblazer3: Hijack away, it's all good.

I've gotten six of the regular model T-38A's in formation at once (fsrecorder), with fps locked at 29, and they varied from 25-29 depending on where I was looking (and I'm looking at a 30 inch 2560x1600 resolution monitor). And yes, it's a fantastic formation platform...surley you knew I would check that out, right? Lol.

Nowwww, here's the good news. Colin and team have built an AI version. I swapped that into some flight plans, and I've gotten 14 AI T-38A's in a tight grouping on the ramp with steady fps of 20 (+ or - a few). I did do a tester with 25 jets, but frames dropped to crappola.

These AI will use the same paints that the regular model takes...so any repaints someone does will fit on them. The down side to that is the AI won't be as light on frames as a true multi LOD'ed AI model...and the upside is they look 100 times better than regular AI. The AI model does have canopy's that will open, and even though NG4IX said that part of the animation wouldn't work yet, I have seen it work in my tests (and I forgot to tell him that...DOH!).

[skyblazer3]

That is some fantastic back-seat action :)

Here is a question.... Will this T-38 support FSX's Share the Cockpit functionality? So that if I and a friend both purchase this aircraft, we can fly with one guy in the front and one in the back and use it to train IFR procedures?

Cheers,

Chris

[Bone]

That is some fantastic back-seat action :)

Here is a question.... Will this T-38 support FSX's Share the Cockpit functionality? So that if I and a friend both purchase this aircraft, we can fly with one guy in the front and one in the back and use it to train IFR procedures?

Cheers,

Chris


Yeah, it really is.

I don't have an answer for you there, Chris. I can tell you this, with regards to instrument/IFR flying. After looking behind the instrument panel, it's quite clear this T-38 has some real balls.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-24_20-54-3-375-1.jpg

[krazycolin]

Uh oh... we've been discovered.

At this point, I can't, in all honesty, answer the question about shared pits. It's a big maybe.

[Barfly]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=47&ved=0CEQQFjAGOCg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmysite.verizon.net%2Fres7zx3v%2Fs itebuildercontent%2Fsitebuilderfiles%2FLanding_jet s.doc&rct=j&q=t-38%20throttles&ei=SmXcTZKfGcrRiALY8Zz1Dw&usg=AFQjCNHWiRi4sfutNbPucJVgMlQ508iFQA

For anyone interested in a professional opinion on handling characteristics of this and similar jets, a few years ago Dudley Henriques wrote a primer on it... see link above. Once you get into the Milviz T-38, you'll find the flight characteristics described are perfectly replicated :)

[Bone]

I've got a Q6600 oc'd to 3.0 GHz and a 768MB GTX8800. I can run Aerosoft's F-16 fairly well in PNW Blue, so long as I stay away from big city areas.

OK, I just tried the T-38 out on my old rig, and I flew it around solo with the FPS locked at 29, and it stayed steady in normal sized city areas. Again, my old rig has a QX9650 CPU (OC'd 3.8 GhZ), a GTX 8800 vid card, 4 GB of DDR2 memory, Vista 32 bit, and a 30 inch monitor at 2560x1600 resolution. Sliders varied, but the important ones were the scenery complexity (3/4) and autogen (1/3)....keep in mind the 30 inch screen uses alot of resources. Your results may be better.

I have the Aerosoft F-16 and used it as a comparison to the T-38 in a couple of areas flying solo, and then with a wingman. The F-16 is much, much heavier on frames than the T-38...probably because of the HUD and glass displays in the F-16. So wherever you fly the F-16, expect to get better and steadier frames with the T-38. With a T-38 two ship formation, expect to get about a 40 percent frame improvement over that of an F-16 two ship formation.


EDIT:And, that's using the normal models as a wingman. There's an AI T-38 that's going to be available, and it looks as good as the normal model, at a fraction of the poly's.

[DaveKDEN]

OK, I just tried the T-38 out on my old rig, and I flew it around solo with the FPS locked at 29, and it stayed steady in normal sized city areas. Again, my old rig has a QX9650 CPU (OC'd 3.8 GhZ), a GTX 8800 vid card, 4 GB of DDR2 memory, Vista 32 bit, and a 30 inch monitor at 2560x1600 resolution. Sliders varied, but the important ones were the scenery complexity (3/4) and autogen (1/3)....keep in mind the 30 inch screen uses alot of resources. Your results may be better.

I have the Aerosoft F-16 and used it as a comparison to the T-38 in a couple of areas flying solo, and then with a wingman. The F-16 is much, much heavier on frames than the T-38...probably because of the HUD and glass displays in the F-16. So wherever you fly the F-16, expect to get better and steadier frames with the T-38. With a T-38 two ship formation, expect to get about a 40 percent frame improvement over that of an F-16 two ship formation.

Thanks for the report! :cool:

[Skyhawk18]

Right. No worries, you did put that disclaimer in your previous post. Here's a few shot's after Gunnar did his thing. It's very glossy now, I hope the screenies convey it appropriately.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-21_11-6-14-829.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-21_11-6-40-529.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-21_11-6-52-509.jpg


http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-21_12-0-22-854.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-5-21_12-8-15-45.jpg

The BB is even more shiny now:icon_lol:

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[fliger747]

Det var rikti god!

Tusen Tak! Tom

[doublecool]

If you released this beauty it would get everyone :wavey: thinking positive... :jump::applause:

[Roadburner440]

We're working on it... We all decided to implement one rather cool (at least we think so) feature before we put her on the market. That's what has the manual held up at the moment too pending the addition of the feature so we can add it to the documentation as well.

[fliger747]

As one of the "Crash test Dummies", will comment that she is a pretty accurate fly it by the numbers with some precision plane. This one will teach you a lot about flying.

T

[fliger747]

Colin:

If you read this, I have had the Milviz site dissapear, as well as your associated e-mail.

Tom

[krazycolin]

Yeah. ISP is down. Working on it....

[jp]

Will today be the day...???

[OleBoy]

All I can say is, if I had the slightest inclination or interest in aircraft of this type, this one would definitely be a must. It looks excellent in the last photos.

[bstolle]

Well, I wasn't interested in this aircraft either in the beginning but I can tell you that seeing and flying it is a really great experience.
It's very rewarding being able to handly it correctly!

[Roadburner440]

Will today be the day...???

Unfortunately JP no. Our website tends to have issues from time to time (the server).. Sadly this makes finishing the bird harder as we were supposed to start testing a release candidate today/tomorrow.. It should be back up at some point today though, so hopefully we can continue wrapping her up.

[Skyhawk18]

First shots of the «Thunderbirds» livery (not finished yet)

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[Bone]

Those are great shots, Gunnar, and even better painting.

[Felixthreeone]

So we aren't there yet......are we there yet?......How 'bout now?....

[FlameOut]

Yummy ! :applause:

[Peter SWE]

First shots of the «Thunderbirds» livery (not finished yet)
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Glimmrande!

I'm really looking forward to this one.:jump:

[delta_lima]

First shots of the «Thunderbirds» livery (not finished yet)



What's with the photographs? Shouldn't you be posting screeshots ... oh wait ... those ARE screenshots :icon_lol:

OK - just my lighthearted way of saying :applause:

dl

[strykerpsg]

Gunnar, wasn't there more of a bird desing on the underside? Nevermind, just googled it. These are some outstanding paints BTW and look forward to applying them when she's released.

Matt

First shots of the «Thunderbirds» livery (not finished yet)

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[skyblazer3]

Screenshots look great.

When might the manual be rolled out?

I'm looking forward to learning as much as possible about how to fly this beauty. :salute:

[krazycolin]

SOON!

[jp]

:jump:

[Naruto-kun]

Screenshots look great.

When might the manual be rolled out?

I'm looking forward to learning as much as possible about how to fly this beauty. :salute:

You sure will need to read it....

*WARNING FROM A F-15 TESTER/CODER*

BEWARE

IF YOU ARE USED TO MORE MODERN JETS READ THE MANUAL
THIS AIRCRAFT IS A LITTLE &^$&* THAT BITES IN THE PATTERN

[Mathias]

What a beauty! Might get me into jets. :salute::wavey:

[Aircanuck]

Any plans to include some canadian liveries ?

What are the origins of the sound pack ..... where were they sourced ?




Can't wait ! :)


Cheers


Aircanuck :mixedsmi:

[Roadburner440]

There are no Canadian liveries in the package (sorry!).. BUT you/the community will have a clean slate repaint kit to do with as seen fit. Gunnar to my knowledge has previewed all the included liveries with release (done a lot more for this than normal).. Although Gunnar did do quite a few repaint packs for the 310 after it's release, so if you ask him (Skyhawk18) he may consider it!

As soon as I get home I will be doing an update today with the current build. The sound has been sourced from an actual T-38, and programmed in house by our own sound guy. Sound is still top rate on this bird though!

[Aircanuck]

Thank you .... I agree the spray booth should be busy once this beauty hits the tarmac !




Aircanuck :jump:

[Skyhawk18]

There are no Canadian liveries in the package (sorry!).. BUT you/the community will have a clean slate repaint kit to do with as seen fit. Gunnar to my knowledge has previewed all the included liveries with release (done a lot more for this than normal).. Although Gunnar did do quite a few repaint packs for the 310 after it's release, so if you ask him (Skyhawk18) he may consider it!

As soon as I get home I will be doing an update today with the current build. The sound has been sourced from an actual T-38, and programmed in house by our own sound guy. Sound is still top rate on this bird though!

As for the Cessna 310 there will be additional liveries after release.:icon_lol:

Just finished the T-Bird today

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[fliger747]

A plane that requires some practice and proficency, but a great teacher and one that really grows on you as you get better and better. All the same skills you need to learn to fly the real one!

T

[skyblazer3]

I am moving to another house on the 10 of june, and I won't have the internet for a while after that. I REALLY hope this T-38 comes out before that so I can fly it in the interim.

This is the most exciting project I've seen on FSX since the Section F8 F-86. You guys are going to really raise the bar with this; I'm so proud that we have talented and creative developers like you guys.

Thanks for all of your work, you really make this hobby great. You are masterful artists and technicians.

Thanks for striving for excellence on this project,

Chris

[ColoKent]

...I too am home for a limited time until I take off on a business trip-- so I'd like to see a release soon, so I get at least a day or two of flying in before I hit the road again...this is looking GREAT!

Kent

[jmig]

To give you an idea of what it is like to be in the cockpit of the T-38, here are a couple composite pictures of a final turn to landing.

http://jmiguez.smugmug.com/photos/i-mx8fDXp/0/L/i-mx8fDXp-L.jpg (http://jmiguez.smugmug.com/Other/Posting-on-Forums/14963760_rWq4k#1322912855_mx8fDXp-A-LB)

http://jmiguez.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cWG3Z3/0/L/i-4cWG3Z3-L.jpg (http://jmiguez.smugmug.com/Other/Posting-on-Forums/14963760_rWq4k#1322912833_4cWG3Z3-A-LB)

[jp]

soon.............? Pics are killing me.

[Bone]

soon.............? Pics are killing me.

Soon. They're all number one for take-off.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-6-4_14-39-5-453.jpg

[jp]

All number one... Nice!^

[fliger747]

Every fighter pilot or "wannabee" always thinks he is "Ichiban"..

This plane will indeed be "Ichiban..."

T

[daisan]

Well, I think that time has come to start reading:

http://www.airswitzerland-va.ch/Downloads/svaf/AFMAN11-250V1-T38.pdf

Diego

[skyblazer3]

Moving tomorrow..... no internet for about a week. *fingers crossed for a release*

[bstolle]

only a week? that might be just in time :)

[Bone]

Now available for solo flight, so you can finally dump the IP...http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-6-7_17-48-32-998.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-6-7_17-27-8-310.jpg

[Skyhawk18]

Additional Thunderbirds liveries are now finished (TB 1 to 6 and the anniversary livery)

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[MenendezDiego]

Here are some shots of all the liveries (excluding each individual Thunderbird)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/5814005527_2bf2e672ca_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2531/5814574384_faa641d9f3_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5198/5814574290_c81aae0606_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2278/5814574626_37745e7f0e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3404/5814005701_ae96e74fc9_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2011/5814574510_48c2ab3512_b.jpg

Regards, Diego

[Bone]

How about a good Nellis area video, Diego.


BTW, great shots.

[MenendezDiego]

Thanks Bone,

If you guys don't mind iPad video, I'll throw something together later tonight!

Regards, Diego

[FlameOut]

Oh man, I'm gonna be wearing those [2] schemes; TF 194 & NASA out....oh, and that T-bird and that... :applause:

[Bob.sc]

Not wanting to piss-off anyone, but any news on our Talon??
Thank You!

[Roadburner440]

I am actually test flying her as we speak.. Between getting the website up, and we have been trying to isolate an ILS/LOC tracking issue requiring us to delve back into the code quite a bit (Bill has been a very very busy man!). I don't want to put words in Colin's mouth as he has been busy working the details on packaging it up for sale, and where all it will be going on sale. I will put up a screenshot though that I thought was pretty cool. Just bought Aerosoft's Las Vegas X package since I have been out in the desert quite a bit. Also this paint is not part of the final package, but my own private paint since I pretty much am using it as a privately owned fighter jet. Is why it is missing all the usual USAF markings and such. As soon as we get solid confirmation on these details though I will be up here putting up a release thread. We have been flying this bird non-stop trying to get it ready for release as soon as practically possible. We do apologize for the wait though. As a side note, believe me I do not find the questions aggrivating. Being a customer of other companies I understand how impatient someone can be for a product. I know there are ones I myself am dying to get my hands on.

40095

[skyblazer3]

This sounds great. I would rather you guys take your time to get it right, then have to wait months for patches. It is a trainer, the ILS/LOC should work right. I'm glad you guys are so detail oriented, I know I will spend hundreds, maybe a thousand hours flying this thing, you guys should take your time on getting everything as right as possible. Thanks so much for all of the work and diligent testing. I think you guys will really be proud of this one, I am anticipating it.

Good Luck. I'm checking SOH and facebook every few hours on this one for the past 2 weeks.


Cheers,

Chris:salute::salute::guinness:

[Roadburner440]

Yeah the ILS/LOC deal is pretty important to me particularly because I do not like using the flight map, or the Garmin GPS to navigate. I like making flight plans, and following them. Today I will be wrapping up my 3000+ mile testflight (from Florida to Vegas, and back) then I will most likely be giving it the seal of approval. Then it will just be waiting for the other testers to give the thumbs up.

[Bob.sc]

Sounds great Steve! Thanks!!

[bstolle]

Yeah the ILS/LOC deal is pretty important to me particularly because I do not like using the flight map, or the Garmin GPS to navigate.

Just to make sure, all the nav aids like VOR and ILS are working perfectly so there's no need for a GPS anyway.
It's just the flight director which is causing a bit of a headache.

[skyblazer3]

What is the flight director? I've never understood that term in FSX. Is it something that is linked to the HSI?

[krazycolin]

If I posted the conversation that's going on in the Milviz beta forums, you would, probably, not understand a word they are saying. This is not a slight towards anyone but... it's all math and code talk and crazy stuff. The something, something is not working properly and the other something something is even worse because of the something something...

I am hopeful that they will get it worked out soon because I want to release this puppy!

[Barfly]

The Flight Director is a computer that calculates steering commands so you (flying manually), or the autopilot can more easily intercept or maintain selected flight parameters.

For example: you want to fly an ILS approach and have selected the appropriate frequency. You select the ILS mode of your flight director, and in addition to the standard 'raw data', positional glide slope and localizer displays, you get another set of needles or bars that give you pitch and bank steering commands to intercept and maintain that gs or loc.

The flight director computer creates it's input to the autopilot or display for hand flying by taking distance, speed, rate of change, and aircraft limitations to do things like: calculate an intercept angle to a course, show you when and how much to pitch or bank in intercept and maintain that course, change altitude, hold altitude, follow a glide slope etc. It will give you an appropriate corrections for the degree of deviation from the selected flight parameter.

All flight directors are not the same, a flight director on a new 737 covers a very comprehensive set of flight parameters; the T-38 flight director covers only a few parameters but they are very helpful ones. It will give you a 'steer' bar command to help you fly to and maintain a selected heading, it will help you maintain a localizer course or glidepath for a glideslope. None of those are necessary for very precise instrument flight procedures, but they are very helpful when they work.

[skyblazer3]

That sounds great, thanks for the information. It sure beats the days of flying NDB approaches to a GCA.

I usually only fly the SF8 F-86 in heavy IFR.... and that is pretty tasking.

Looking forward to flying instrument approaches in the T-38 -- I think that is why I am so excited about this project... a challenging aircraft to fly that promises the ability to fly cross countries in IMC.

Cheers,

Chris

[Barfly]

No problem. It's a great practice instrument airplane due to it's speed and stability - it forces you to be very, very precise. Be cautious going cross-country though - there is no weather radar; it has pitot heat and engine anti-ice as a precaution, but operation in icing conditions is prohibited. Not such a problem in sim-land though :)

[Bone]

Some unofficial AI/multiplayer paints. Probably not going to be in the package, but will be available for free.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-6-17_19-41-44-168.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-6-17_19-41-16-508.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-6-17_19-40-58-448.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-6-17_19-40-40-608.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-6-17_19-40-23-188.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-6-17_19-40-5-428.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/theBone11/2011-6-17_19-39-37-798.jpg

[FlameOut]

These are a few screenies I captured today over a NASA TV website:

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html

I know I shouldn't ask....

I guess this was a replay of the final Shuttle crew arriving at KTTS sometime earlier this week or today? It's a darn shame how the media no longer covers these events. Shoot, when I was a kid, that was all that was covered by the big [3] news companies back in the day!

Well, anyway, I'm sure hungry for a little bit o' this baby bird on my plate.

I did not know that the launch date had been pushed back from June 28th. to July 8th.

The astronaut at the microphone said in his address to the scant media folks that were there, that NASA had a "Big" announcement to make on July 8th. I'm going to speculate and say that it will be about the proposed "Orion?" heavy lift vehicle for the U.S.A.'s next phase of manned space flight. Hey, maybe those old T-38's will get a new paint scheme to go along with the "new era". Oh, and NASA, ... don't y'all even think about replacing these little baby birds!

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[Roadburner440]

I really like that blacked out nose!! May have to do that one myself. Thanks for the photos, and yes it is a shame the media does not cover the important stuff like they used to. Ah well.

[Akatsuki]

The astronaut at the microphone said in his address to the scant media folks that were there, that NASA had a "Big" announcement to make on July 8th. I'm going to speculate and say that it will be about the proposed "Orion?" heavy lift vehicle for the U.S.A.'s next phase of manned space flight. Hey, maybe those old T-38's will get a new paint scheme to go along with the "new era". Oh, and NASA, ... don't y'all even think about replacing these little baby birds!

If you want to know more about that announcment check this link: http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/06/managers-sls-announcement-after-sd-hlv-victory/

[FlameOut]

Thanks for that link Josquin,
It's a crying shame that our boys, and ladies, are gonna have to depend on the Rooskies to get us up there in the interim. All in the vein of "Glasnost" and "Perestroika", eh, comrade?