COLD WAR CFS2

[Fibber]

I have been contemplating setting up a Cold(Hot) War section for CFS2 on my setup. I was planning to do this on a thumbdrive to which I have already copied over the stock CFS2.
Several questions come to mind .
1. Has anyone done this and does it work?
2. In changing the;
a) ships; is it safe to delete all and re-add new ones such as the Angle Midway, Stennis, Sumner/Gearing class destroyers and some Ruskie ships.
B) Textures will be the same
c) objectsdp what is safe to delete?
d) any other ideas or problems/pitfalls others have encountered that I can hopefully avoid.

I realize there will be a lot of mod/deletes/additions but would like to set something up. Any suggestions appreciated.

[bearcat241]

Fibber, use this guide...only apply it to things NOT intended for use:

1 - remove all stock aircraft folders from the AIRCRAFT directory
2 - remove all stock ships from the SHIPS directory
3 - remove all stock aircraft, ships and weapons from the mdlnames.txt file
4 - remove all stock aircraft from the qc_plane.qcb file located in the QUICKCOM directory
5 - remove the entries of all stock ships and aircraft from the DESCRIP.DAT file located in the INFO directory
6 - in the OBJECTS_DP directory, delete the dp's all stock weapons not intended for use
7 - DONE!

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Any new aircraft should be added to the qc_plane file for QC action
Any new ships should be added to the descript.dat and CALLSIGN.DAT files (be sure to follow format of old stock entries)
Any new weapons should be added to the mdlnames.txt file

[Eoraptor1]

I have been contemplating setting up a Cold(Hot) War section for CFS2 on my setup. I was planning to do this on a thumbdrive to which I have already copied over the stock CFS2.

I'm curious, Fibber. What type of missions are you contemplating, given the limitations of the CFS2 game engine? I love all the FoxFour stuff; I suppose that could be considered Cold War.

JAMES

[Fibber]

Bearcat; I completely forgot about Descript.dat That is what has been driving me nuts! Thanks, I did just about all the others so far and it seems to work.

Euro; I was thinking mainly along the lines of adapting the QC file for A 2 A and also retuning things like the training missions to reflect new planes and ships. Could even use TR's KW theater, if he doesn't object, to reflect newer ships and planes. I plan this for my own use but ,if successful, will share the info.

Maybe even some of the Mideast missions could be adapted to reflect the same. Heck history seems to be protraying itself out in the same places. Different equipment, some different players but same problems.

[Typhoon Willy]

Hi Fibber,

You were reading my mind! Although for missions, I was looking mainly at air strikes, escort, and cap type missions. I've been digging around trying to find suitable planes that, 1. don't look too fs98ish, and 2. are fairly easy on framerates.

I was also looking into a 6 Day War and Yom Kippur War, as I understand that Israeli doctorine promoted dogfighting with guns (per History Channel's "Dogfights") I found a Mirage IIIC in IAF markings at Flightsim that converted nicely, just a little heavy on fpf's, but am unable to locate a MiG-21 in Egyptian markings nor an EAF skin for the AlphaOldies MiG-21.

The now-freeware Iris a/c convert to CFS2 but some of the control surfaces are "jacked" and the Razbam a/c definitely are ready to use.

Dean Reimer has an F/A-18C for FS2k2 that converts nicely and Chris Coarse did a dp file using stock weps, but this one's very heavy on fpm's.

Kind regards,

TW

[Jagdflieger]

Fibber,

While I don't have it running now, I generally keep a Korea-Middle East-Cold War CFS 2 installation on my computer. Bearcat's advice is spot on. There are several interacting files in CFS 2 and they all need to be modified to preclude mis-communication within the sim.

If you guys can find an old copy of Flight1's "Mig v. Sabre" it will jump start your project. It came with a very good Mig 15 and F-86 as well as numerous AI aircraft for the Korean War.

The Fox 4 campaigns and aircraft will also give you a head start to the Cold War and Korea.

Collin's Ship Yard has several post WW II versions of ships available too.

Here's a few of my 50s to 60s adventures.

[Typhoon Willy]

Hi Jagd,
Have the Sabre v. MiG on a separate install of CFS2. Have Kirk Olsson's F-86, JK's F-84G, AH F9F Panther, and David Hanvey's Sea Fury. Still have to add Razbam's Banshee and Korean era Skyraider, just to name a few. Like you said, this is a good starting point.

I'm using Alpha Bleu Ciel's F8F bearcat but can anyone recommend a good F4U4 Corsair?

By the way, I understand Milton Shupe and his team here at the Outhouse are working on an F7F Tigercat for FS9, of which they've released a beta version.

Kind regards,

TW

[PomBee]

I've got a "Middle Eastern conflicts since 1945", and a "World War III - 1972" install on my external H/D. I did a load of IAF and Arabic skins for various aircraft, as well as some RAF skins as a personal thing, but I've been sharing this stuff with take53084. He's also very interested in the Arab-Israeli conflicts. The skins that I did are very basic, and not anything that I would want to upload. If anyone's interested, then PM me, and I'll give you the links to the files at box.net.

Cheers,

PomBee.:ernae:

[Jagdflieger]

Guy Hulin's Corsair was updated to the Korean War AU-1 Corsair by A.F. Scrub some time ago.

Search for: Corsair_AU-1.zip

[delta_lima]

I'm using Alpha Bleu Ciel's F8F bearcat but can anyone recommend a good F4U4 Corsair?



My personal favourite Corsair is the Donationware FDG2 Corsair - there was a FS9 and a dedicated CFS2 version. Morton did a number of post-wwii paints for it, and if you are familiar with any of his work, they are absolutely fantastic. He has some great Korean war era paints, a very late Marine paint (early 60's), and a Suez Aeronavale paint.

Now, for some ideas ....

To the point of a cold war campaign, Suez makes an interesting conflict- some jets, some reciprocating engine planes, all bombs/bullets/rockets type munitions, and a good cross section of planes available. Back to Morton, he did some fantastic P-80 and F-84 paints, so you have the basis for either a historic Suez campaign, or a "Suez gone bad" - where instead of mediating, the US actually gets involved due to Soviet bad faith and underhandedly supplying the Egyptian/Arab side. A nice repaint of the Alphasim CFS2 P-47 in French Air Force colours (as in, Algeria) could give you another angle. Razbam's CFS2 planes (now freeware) like the A-1 and Banshee could take an interesting perspective. Drag it forward a few years, and you could tie in Marc Cygan's Crusaders ....

RAF-wise, the CFS Hunter and Vampire models are a bit long in the tooth, but who knows ... maybe there's other more recent stuff out there.

I think the idea is brilliant Fibber - would be a great new chapter to follow on the FoxFour Korea campaign. I know the Strike Fighters Suez Cana mod was the reason I bought that particular sim, and it was a real treat. To see it in CFS2 would be divine.

dl

[Fibber]

I am still hunting around for some participant aircraft and over at Simviation/modern jets/ 2000 I found some Egytian marked planes and several IAF planes. Notably a phontom and some Mirages. Also interesting to note that in some of the earlier wars there were spitfires and mustangs involved. But that will take a little more looking to verify.

[Typhoon Willy]

Hi Fibber,
I found an Alphasim MiG-19 Farmer in Egyptian markings on my external HD. A MiG-17 and MiG-21 would be in order I think.

Jagd,
Thank you for the recommendation on the late model Corsair, I will check into it.

Pombee,
Thanks for the offer on the skins!

Delta_Lima,
The Suez Canal idea is pretty awesome! That's a conflict I don't anything about but a great reason to do some research.

I was also wondering how a Cuban Missle Crisis or a present day Korean War Campaign would play out in the CFS2 enviroment?

Kind regards,

TW

[Fibber]

TW;
You mean like this? 31325

[Fibber]

Just thought that I would let you know that there are several textures available in our own little library for the participants in the 1967 round of the M.E. war. They are done by Old Wheat and are for the freeware Alphasim planes. Egyptian Mig 17-19-21s and the Mirages in Isreali motif

Side question to show my naive side. Will FS98 scenery work in this game engine? Found a lot of ME airports. Though I don't think they would be up for a airstrike, maybe takeoff points.

[bearcat241]

...Will FS98 scenery work in this game engine?

Yes...


Found a lot of ME airports. Though I don't think they would be up for a airstrike, maybe takeoff points.

Bingo!

[Fibber]

If FS98 scenery works there are a slew of Middle East airports listed starting here; http://www.flightsim.com/file.php?cm=INDEXCALL&sPos=0 :salute:

[ian elliot]

If your intrested in the Six Day war, i did a Jordanian skin for the Alpha freeware Hunter FGA9 a few years back.
cheers ian
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=6208

[tonybones2112]

TW, Fib, Jagd, Pombee might be the man to contact for Mideast Conflict information. I am all for getting into the '48, '56, '67, '73, and 82 Lebanese Incursion, and for reasons I don't understand, the Mideast Conflicts have been sadly neglected in CFS2:salute:

Bones

[delta_lima]

TW, Fib, Jagd, Pombee might be the man to contact for Mideast Conflict information. I am all for getting into the '48, '56, '67, '73, and 82 Lebanese Incursion, and for reasons I don't understand, the Mideast Conflicts have been sadly neglected in CFS2:salute:

Bones

This is encouraging ...

Yes, I forgot about '48. Mostly WWII planes, easy to use bombs/bullets/rockets munitions. I'm not sure how well CFS2 does guided missiles (AAM or SAM), I'm a bit sceptical of how realistic the 67 and later missions would be in this sim (at least compared to SFP1). But 48 and 56 would be very interesting.

I also realized that the superb work FS Shipyards has done with their Ocean, Glory, and Essex carriers - there is excellent naval dimensions to these campaigns (chiefly Suez).

This is starting to be very interesting ... :)

[Robert John]

If you need exploding sky scrapers and modern office blocks pm me.
Robert John.

[tonybones2112]

If your intrested in the Six Day war, i did a Jordanian skin for the Alpha freeware Hunter FGA9 a few years back.
cheers ian
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=6208

Ian, one of the first skins I downloaded when I got into CFS2 over a year ago, thank you:salute:

Tony Bones

[tonybones2112]

If your intrested in the Six Day war, i did a Jordanian skin for the Alpha freeware Hunter FGA9 a few years back.
cheers ian
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=6208

Ian, one of the first skins I downloaded when I got into CFS2 over a year ago, thank you:salute:

Tony Bones

[tonybones2112]

This is encouraging ...

Yes, I forgot about '48. Mostly WWII planes, easy to use bombs/bullets/rockets munitions. I'm not sure how well CFS2 does guided missiles (AAM or SAM), I'm a bit sceptical of how realistic the 67 and later missions would be in this sim (at least compared to SFP1). But 48 and 56 would be very interesting.

I also realized that the superb work FS Shipyards has done with their Ocean, Glory, and Essex carriers - there is excellent naval dimensions to these campaigns (chiefly Suez).

This is starting to be very interesting ... :)

The '56 Suez war would be a good one DL, my pick would be the '48 war. I really appreciate the aircraft the men make here from Lower Slobovia where only one prototype existed, they are interesting to fly, but the Czech Bf-109 as used by Israel is really overdue. I'm still skeptical of spending 21 bucks for the FLIGHT SIMULATIONS Czech '109(it has Israeli skins), I can't find anyone who owns one to ask about if it's convertable to CFS2. Edward Jablonski, in his short book on the '109, reported that 12 were purchased, 3 shot down and one heavily damaged, he had a photo of one mounted on a large pedestal outside an israeli airbase:salute:

BTW guys, sorry for the echo.

Tony Bones

[tonybones2112]

Hi Fibber,

You were reading my mind! Although for missions, I was looking mainly at air strikes, escort, and cap type missions. I've been digging around trying to find suitable planes that, 1. don't look too fs98ish, and 2. are fairly easy on framerates.

I was also looking into a 6 Day War and Yom Kippur War, as I understand that Israeli doctorine promoted dogfighting with guns (per History Channel's "Dogfights") I found a Mirage IIIC in IAF markings at Flightsim that converted nicely, just a little heavy on fpf's, but am unable to locate a MiG-21 in Egyptian markings nor an EAF skin for the AlphaOldies MiG-21.

The now-freeware Iris a/c convert to CFS2 but some of the control surfaces are "jacked" and the Razbam a/c definitely are ready to use.

Dean Reimer has an F/A-18C for FS2k2 that converts nicely and Chris Coarse did a dp file using stock weps, but this one's very heavy on fpm's.

Kind regards,

TW

TW, I searched for the Alpha Mig-21 and also Egyptian skins, I've had both for quite some time now.

Aircraft(In NVNAF skin):

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=downloads&FileUploadName=AlphaOldies&ammm=15&pap=4

The Egyptian skin(and the fix)are by Oldwheat and found here:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=downloads&FileUploadName=oldwheat&ammm=15&pap=4

I hope this helps:salute:

Tony Bones

[Typhoon Willy]

Hi Tonybones,

Got it, thanks for your reply.

TW

[Jagdflieger]

I think that all the allied planes in the Suez operation used black and yellow stripes as ID marks. Much like the black and white stripes for the Normandy invasion. Apparently the French maintained these stripes for some years afterwards.

[ian elliot]

Talking of Suez, has anyone done a CFS2 conversion of Steve Beeny's FS9 Hawker Sea Hawk, i remember Steve himself mentioning in a post a while back that he'd be quite happy for someone to give his plane the CFS2 treatment.
cheers ian

[tonybones2112]

I think that all the allied planes in the Suez operation used black and yellow stripes as ID marks. Much like the black and white stripes for the Normandy invasion. Apparently the French maintained these stripes for some years afterwards.

Jagd, with the hodge-podge of aircraft used that makes sense. I had a plastic model of a 1/32 scale Mig-15 in Egyptian colors, basic Russian green, that flat color used on T-34 tanks over light grey undersurfaces. Thanks for the pic:salute:

Bones

[Typhoon Willy]

Hi guys,

Another era of fighting I've not seen discussed here is the French in Vietnam in the 1950's. From what I understand they used F8F Bearcats, late model Corsairs (I believe), and Helldivers. I'm sure there are others but again, my background on this conflict is about nill.

Kind regards,

TW

[Fibber]

The French did indeed use the Corsair. In fact in the classic "Hell in a Very Small Place" which is a pretty agreed upon concise chronology of events of the siege of Diem Dem Phu, it is reflected that a Corsair pilot was to drop a map of the Viet Minh posiitons, in their relation to the French positions, into the perimeter of the French. Inbound the pilot had the package in his lap and the canopy open. He took evasive action due to the volume of fire and rolled the plane. The map fell out and into Viet Minh hands which was a immense help to them. It told them how close they were and of some positions they weren't aware of! The pilot? He reported the map delivered and never mentioned that it was to the wrong side that he was on. Or was it?
According to one source, so far, the Fench Indo-China Air support was; (94) F4u-7 and (25) AU-1 Corsairs, a shipboard contigent of F87's on a "jeep" carrier, (12) Fairchild C-119's, some contracted C-124's (unk number).

[Typhoon Willy]

Hi Fibber,

Thanks for the confirmation. It seems that Easykill had some French Navy skins for the stock Corsair but I never considered downloading them. Maybe I'll have to go back and revisit his site and check them out.

Thanks for the ALPHA MiG-15, by the way!

TW

[PomBee]

Talking of Suez, has anyone done a CFS2 conversion of Steve Beeny's FS9 Hawker Sea Hawk, i remember Steve himself mentioning in a post a while back that he'd be quite happy for someone to give his plane the CFS2 treatment.
cheers ian

Hi Ian,

I did it for myself, and converted the textures. I never got as far as removing weapons, etc though.

TW,

The French also used the P-63 during their Vietnam episode. SC has just done some French skins for Piglet's P-63, and uploaded them at the Paintshop. The link is.........

http://sopwithc.wetpaint.com/page/DOWNLOADS+Page+8

Cheers,

PomBee.:ernae:

[Fibber]

N. P. and you welcome!:salute: Did you still need the 19s and 21s/ I have found them and have them squirreled. As I said Old Wheat did a some skins for the Alphas and they are in them.

Regarding the French Indo-China A.F.
Here is a site that references available books witha synopsis;

http://hedgehoghollow.com/awoic/references.html#english

Here is some more info. I found that you may refer to, however they are in FRENCH!

L'Aviation Militaire Francaise en Indochine 1946-1954 & L'Aviation Francaise en Indochine 1946-1954 by Jean-Claude Soumille
The holy grail of Indochina references, recommended to me by many people. Volume one, published by Association AIRDOC in 1995 covers only military types, while the second book, published in 1996, covers commercial aircraft impressed into service as well as military aircraft.
FTA:
Laurent Jeannot provided me with a list of the profiles from volume I:
Bearcat, Corsair (AU-1), Catalina, Privateer, Mosquito, B-26, RB-26, Ki-54, NC.701 (Siebel 204), DHC Beaver, C-45 Expiditor, Nord 1000 (Bf 108), L-19, Republic RC-3 Seabee, Hiller H-23, S-51 Dragonfly, Piasecki HUP-2, A6M2-N Rufe, E13A1 Jake, Dauntless, Helldiver, Ki-53 Oscar, 2 Spitfire Mk.IX, P-63, 2 Hellcats, Loire 130, Sea Otter, JRF-5 Goose and 2 MS.500.
Nowfel Leulliot provided me with the following list of the colour profiles in the second volume:
4 P-63s, 1 Spitfire, 2 Bearcats, 1 Corsair, 3 Hellcats, 1 Dauntless, 2 AAC-1s (Ju-52), 1 C-119C, 1 Noratlas, 5 B-26s, 2 Privateers, 1 Catalina, 1 Westland S-51 Dragonfly, 1 Helldiver, 1 Grumman Goose, 1 DHC-2 Beaver, 1 Air France Constellation, 1 SO-30, 2 civilian and 2 military C-47s, 1 IGN (mapping agency) B-17, 3 (Vietnamese, Lao & Cambodian) MS-500, 1 Vietnamese MD-315 and Emperor Bao Dai's personal B-24 Liberator transport

L'Armée de L'Air en Indochine, Volume 1: Transport et Bombardement by Alain Crosnier and Jean-Michel Guhl
A history of transport and bombing squadrons in Indochina, including photos and profiles, published by SUP AIR Publications in 1981. Nowfel Leulliot told me that 2 additional volumes were planned, covering Fighter/Recce and Liason/Army Cooperation/Helicopter squadrons, respectively, but the publisher unfortunately went bankrupt!
All photos include brief English captions. Aircraft covered the C-47, AAC.1, C-119, Noratlas and B-26. Coverage is broken down by squadron, with a nice mix of overall and detail photos.

and this is interestin!
Les avions allemands aux couleurs francaise; Tome 2 by Philippe Ricco
Second of a two volume series covering German aircraft in French markings. Included in this volume are the Ju 52/AAC.1, Bf 108/Nord 1000/1/2 and Si 204/NC-701/2. Unfortunately many of the photos do not give a locations, although a handful are identified as being in Indochina

Here are some the issues of magazine articles that reference this subject;
http://hedgehoghollow.com/awoic/references.html#magazines

Here is some references regarding the French Air Arm during various post-WW2 conflicts;
http://www.ffaa.net/menus/menu_history.htm

Photos of A 26s over I.C.
http://napoleon130.tripod.com/id440.html

A chronology of the French AF in I.C. including aircraft used. This one is real interesting!
http://www.paquelier.com/paqsenior/aFrame3.htm

Enough for now!

[Typhoon Willy]

Hi Pombee,

I downloaded Piglet's P-63 not long ago, but thanks. I love Piglet's stuff, always top shelf!

Hi Fibber,

Thanks, but I did a search the other night in our library and picked up Old Wheat's stuff. The MiG-21 is my favorite adversary as far as modern jet combat and it looks good in just about any nation's colors.

TW

[Seagull V]

For the French-Indo era there is also the "French metallic skin that I did for the Ju-52 upgrade", which was the intent of providing some period type transport/bomber for that era/campaign along with the many other places that the Ju-52 was used.