Sunderland at War, Part I: the Bay of Biscay

[Led Zeppelin]

Available soon, there are still two missions to build.

This will be a 4 missions pack: 3 historical and 1 random patrol in the Bay of Biscay. Maybe I'll build one from Luftwaffe side (Ju88C-6).

It is dedicated to those who like flak and cold water :bump:

Sources:
- Aérojournal (french magasine):
[/URL]http://www.aero-journal.com/images/couvs/couverture-aerojournal-8.jpg

- [URL]http://www.uboat.net/ (http://www.aero-journal.com/images/couvs/couverture-aerojournal-8.jpg)

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[Led Zeppelin]

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[NachtPiloten]

A great reference is Goss', "Bloody Biscay"

[Bravo/4]

Great Stuff!:jump:

[HouseHobbit]

GREAT!!! I am Looking forward to this..

:applause: :applause:

I love wrecking British aircraft...:gameoff:

Thanks For these, Very Much..

Off to trash some Sunderlands

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[gosd]

Good Show:ernae:
Looking forward to these missions.:jump:

[Led Zeppelin]

I've nearly finished, I'm working on the Luftwaffe missions.

The Sunderland can suffer very heavy damages in comparison of the Catalina or Halifax, I've never been shot down by U-Boats flak yet.
The only time I've been shot down is when I engaged a Do24. I came to close to it in the worst position and it's rear gunner shot me down.



A great reference is Goss', "Bloody Biscay"
I have AeroJournal magazine n°30 (April-May 2003), in which there is an article about V./KG 40 which is a partial translation of "Bloody Biscay".

I also have also a special edition of "Le Fana de l'Aviation" wich is a nearly complete translation of "Dark Sky, Deep Water" by Norman Franks.

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[BeauBrummie]

I have been, by Ted's new Flak U-Boat which is a a good representation of some of the later U-boat's defences.

I have also been shot down by a Kondor. those AI 20mm's are killers

Both books ar great finishing Bloody Biscay, I almost felt weeping for the crew of V/KG40 in the end when they were thrown to the lions at D-day!

[Led Zeppelin]

As the missions I've build are random, I haven't met the Kondor yet... but if I do, I will suerly not try to shoot it down!!!

Regarding the flak U-Boot, it is survivable with the Sunderland... but you have to comeback home after the bombing run!:jump:


I think I'll add another mission to the pack. As airfields in Brittany were very buisy (Ju88C-6's, Fw190's...), allies decided to strike them in september 1943 in order to decrease the pressure on Coastal Command bombers and to reduce the strength of interceptions of raids directed on U-Boats pens.
The mission will be for the B24-D. On september 23th, Lorient recieved very heavy damages from a B17's strike and V./KG 40 had to moved to Bordeaux temporarily.

[popsaka]

I really enjoy the way histrionics are brought through to our sim... Bravo folks!!:ernae:

[TeaSea]

Who's getting a hysterectomy?

[alain95]

Available soon, there are still two missions to build.
This will be a 4 missions pack: 3 historical and 1 random patrol in the Bay of Biscay. Maybe I'll build one from Luftwaffe side (Ju88C-6).

It is dedicated to those who like flak and cold water :bump:
Sources: - Aérojournal (french magasine):
- http://www.uboat.net/

Good to see that my favorite magazines comes to action in my best flight sim :ernae:
Sorry Loîc I have only time for reading, but the comments prooves me you're
making a great job here ! :applause:

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[Led Zeppelin]

While looking for historical informations for this mission pack, I've collected enough stuff to extend it.

Finally, it will take longer to buld it as I plan to build a 'Battle of the Atlantic II: the Bay of Biscay'.

This will focus on battles that occur in the Bay of Biscay and around western coast French harbours from 1941 to 1945.

[PRang]

Led

Cannot wait to fly them!! Go for it; take your time; and make them goooood.

Thanks for all those missions you have made.

God bless

PRang :jump:

[MajorMagee]

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[Led Zeppelin]

Well 1943 and 1944 eras are finished and I've started 1945 and will finish with 1941.

Regarding 1945, I'm building a mission around 'festung Lorient' (festung = fortress). There were several heavy batteries to cover the harbor and sub pens and one of the most modern of the Atlantic Wall was on the isle of Groix ahead of Lorient.
This battery was made of two double turrets from Cruiser SEYDLITZ for a total of four 203mm heavy guns. They could fire 360° / 35kms and were guided by a radar Fumo 214 SEERIESE.

I've looked everywhere in the building folder and have'nt found anything so, does anybody know if this type of coasal fortification available in CFS3 (see pictures below)?
By the way, this research in the building folder was great, I found some really great and usefull ACC and ETO stuff there.

If not it is not a problem, I'm using a 105mm bunker facility.

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[alain95]

Hello Loîc,

I didn't find anything like this in the buildings folders, but I think it couldn't be so much
complicated for the "Bismarck" modeller (or other battleship) to export a twin gun turret from it, adding a bunker as support and make the building you need...
(it's so easy while saying) There is also a modeller that made very precise radar buildings, let's try asking...

Nice project indeed !
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[Led Zeppelin]

This project is getting bigger and bigger, I've collected many historical informations. The mission pack will be named 'The Atlantic Wall'.

It will highlight everything related to operations from Atlantic harbors and associated airfields.

Era 1: German invasion and their rush to capture major French harbours before the armistice.
Era 2: early RAF strikes against u-boats bunkers under construction and Luftwaffe attempts to struggle England just after the Battle of Britain.
Era 3: Bay of Biscay Coastal Command anti-sub offensive and allied strikes against sub pens.
Era 4: Allied invasion and Patton rush into Brittany with the help of partisans in an attempt to capture harbors.
Era 5: Operations above 'Atlantic Pockets'


There will be many, many different aspects of aerial operations (special ops, anti sub patrol, airborne ops, CAS, Air Sea Rescue, strike, escort, artillery spotting, pathfinder, night interdiction...). Some of them have been very rarely, if never, created in flight sim world such as minelaying or wheather recon for exemple.

Collecting informations takes hours and hours, the pack will not be ready before september if everything goes well.

[KellyB]

Whew, LZ! This is an entire theatre of ops! It'll be stupendous when you're done.

Now I'll hold my tongue till you finish. No more "Are we there yet?" queries.

[Led Zeppelin]

Atlantic front, hit by flak over Royan, january 1945.

Flak is the major danger in this mission pack (actually, 21 missions are finished).

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[Led Zeppelin]

Operation Venerable, Royan and Grave, april 14th 1945.

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[gaw]

these look great!.....thanks!

[Pat Pattle]

Truly amazing work Loic, well done! :applause::applause::applause:

I'm sorry I don't have the time to contribute anything at the moment. I don't know how your Gmax is but for the defences you could use the turrets from the German destroyer in the SDK

[Led Zeppelin]

I don't know anything about Gmax or 3d modelling.

I may try it one day as rbp71854 explained that he is using this tool to place accurately facilities in his missions, this is how he did for Operation Dragoon for exemple.

[HouseHobbit]

Bravo Led,
I do look forward to your work..
Of all the folks here I understand the amount of work involved
Thanks Very much..
:salute: :salute: :salute:

[Led Zeppelin]

Squadron Leader J.A. Wilson, N°156 PFF squadron, raid on Royan, january 5th 1945.

Player is the Master Bomber and has to highlight several targets for two waves of bombers during the mission. In this mission, player will see fire on Royan getting bigger and bigger. A little bit of boring spawn setup but the result with ETO effects is really terrific, this mission is really immersive.

Those 3 screens shots are on chronological order:
1- arriving over Royan, 05:30 AM.
2- Royan after the 1st wave of Lancaster has bombed.
3- Royan after the second and final wave of Lancasters has bombed.

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[Led Zeppelin]

A good mission pack is a mission pack with Spitfires :kilroy:
N°234 squadron at work in the evening of july 27th 1944.

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[HouseHobbit]

This Looks GREAT..
BRAVO... Led for this work.. BRAVO..
:salute: :salute: :salute:
I know how very hard it is getting something like this together, And I do take my hat off to you for this..
THANKS Very Much..

[Led Zeppelin]

N°611 squadron (West Lancashire), july 7th 1944: strike Monterfil radar station.

I've been able to place accurately some buildings of this radar station using Lat/Lon coordinates given in the link below:
http://www.absa39-45.com//stations%20radars/Monterfil/monterfil.html


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[HouseHobbit]

Wonderful, Glad to see this..
I have learned to place things within inches in a mission, Had to, that is how I can do the cat launches off the camships in missions..
Can't wait to try these..
BRAVO..
:salute: :salute: :salute:

[Led Zeppelin]

The Jug is also part of tha pack!!

1943: escort B17's to Lorient

July 1944: free armed reco in Brittany in support of the 3rd Army of Patton

April 1945: operations over Atlantic pockets


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[Led Zeppelin]

410th BG / 645th BS, Gosfield, september 06th 1944 -> CAS during the offensive against Brest.

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[Led Zeppelin]

August 1944, the 3rd Army is rushing to the west in an attempt to capture a harbor in Brittany, allies desperately need a major logistic platform for future operations in Europe.

The battle to capture Saint-Malo is tough and the 3rd battalion of 8th infantry division have been surrounded following an assault against Dinard airfield. Take off with another L4 and drop blood plasma to the isolated battalion, this is all what can be done at the moment. Good luck, this is a very dangerous task as the area is infested by AA guns of 912nd light flak battalion that is affected to the airfield defense.

(full text is included in the briefing, this is a historical mission).

Historical information regarding the Battle of Saint-Malo (north Brittany)
http://www.angelfire.com/va2/worldwar2family/rolland2.html
http://www.ncweb.com/~davecurry/brothers/stmalo.html (http://www.ncweb.com/%7Edavecurry/brothers/stmalo.html)

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[Led Zeppelin]

425th Night Fighter Squadron, Vannes (A33), august 26th 1944.

Well, there is no P61 in CFS3 so I've used the great semi historical P38M by jaycee! :applause:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=14001

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[HouseHobbit]

BRAVO !!!!
:salute: :salute: :salute:

You need a couple of those pretty Hobbit special P-47's Yea the purple w/ pink polka dots ones:applause: :applause: Maybe a nice Bf 109 in purple too...:applause: :applause:
That would Make these PERFECT:applause:

Great job, looking forward to all of this..
BRAVO!!!!

[loverboy1]

Hobbit special P-47's Yea the purple w/ pink polka dots

now theres the picture needed

[loverboy1]

LED " when are you if you are planning to release this peice of work , if i may ask


tks


joshua/lb

[Led Zeppelin]

Eras 3 & 5 are finished.

I don't know, there is still a lot of work to do. I'm finishing era 4 at the moment but it is long.
I'm doing a lot of facilities for D Day beaches only for one mission, the attack of ZG 1 near Caen in the afternoon of 6th of june.

Then, I'll build a Jedburgh team drop in Brittany in august 1944 but it will take some time as I have several ideas for a new concept but it will require some boring spawn setup.

Once it is done, I have to do missions for eras 1 and 2.

If the He177 is released, I have informations for two missions.

So, I think, no release before august or september.

[Led Zeppelin]

Quick overview of Era 4. This era mainly focus on operations against Brittany in August 1944 (US 3rd Army was rushing to the west in an attempt to capture a major harbor) and early operations against Atlantic Pockets.

- Coastal Command anti-sub patrol at night along French Atlantic coast in support of Normandy landings.

- Minelaying... sometimes, bombers involved in these missions had to face nasty situations.

- You will operate from an ALG in support of Patton's 3rd Army advance in Brittany.

- Beaufighter in coastal anti-ship patrol.

- A24 against Atlantic Wall fortification on the Isle of Groix.



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[Daiwilletti]

Good things take time! :applause:

It looks well worth waiting until you are happy with the mission set, Led Zep :salute:

[Led Zeppelin]

06-06-1944, welcome in Hell!

Based at Vannes in Brittany, the I./ZG 1 was engaged in the battle of Normandy with it's Ju88C-6's. Trained for long range patrol over the ocean and without escort, the unit was decimated within 4 days.
The Battle of Normandy was the end of an era for the Luftwaffe maritime units and the final act of the Battle of the Atlantic.

For a better immersion, I have build a mission template by creating all 5 beaches and paratroops areas. The action takes place near Caen (British and Canadian area). On the 3rd picture, you can see Sword and Juno in the background.

The night fighter camo is historical as for production purposes, it has been decided to produce all C6's in night fighter coulours whatever the unit they would have to be delivered from about end of 1943 / early 1944. From this time, maritime units recieved heavy fighters in NachtJagd coulours.

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[popsaka]

...cool!!

[Led Zeppelin]

I finally managed to setup this mission more or less as I wanted it to be originally. Spawn setup was a nightmare on this one, it took me ages.
In order to make this one challenging, player has to stay at 1000 ft during all the drop procedure or he will get a failure message.
Altitude measured by altimeter is from sea level, of course, but it seems that spawns work with altitude from ground... CFS3 is really tricky for mission builders, it took me several evenings before I found a compromise in the tuning.


788th BS, Harrington, july 8th-9th 1944. D-Day + 1 month, allied armies are still stuck in Normandy 'bocage' and near Caen, the battle is particulary tough. Once enemy lines will be broken, primary objective will be to capture a harbor in Brittany as a major logistic platform will be the key of the success for future operations. Brest is particulary attractive for High Command because it has the biggest facilities. In the view of the future offensive in Brittany, it is extremely important to coordinate action of the numerous Maquis units that are very active in the area, this is the mission that has been affected to commandos called Jedburgh teams. They are usually composed by 3 men: 1 US, 1 English and 1 French.

Tonight, you will drop team GILES and containers supply in Brittany (Drope Zone Fred 3, Brest area). The DZ is oriented east-west. Reduce speed to 130 miles per hour or below for the drop. If enemy forces are spotted near the DZ, abort mission. Taxi to the runway behind the lighted 'follow me' car.

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[Led Zeppelin]

Real aircraft was a B24 so for those who have "B24J_406th NLS Black Zombie" from "ETO FirePower USAAF HeavyBombers2" installed can use it for historicall accuracy.

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[htpcorsica]

10/10 what your doing there and nice screen shots shows what it was really like back then. thanks

[Led Zeppelin]

II./KG 30, Le Culot, june 17th 1940. Invasion of France is a success and our troops are advancing quickly to the western coast harbors. They must be captured before a possible armistice with France as they will open the door of the Atlantic for the Kriegsmarine, they are high priority targets in the view of future operations against England.

A lot of activity is reported at Saint-Nazaire, British Army is evacuating their remaining troops (operation Ariel). You are ordered to to strike ships in the Loire estuary.


Saint-Nazaire is one of the French city that suffered the most from bombings during WWII. It started in june 1940 and never stopped until may 1945, the city was in ruins.

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[loverboy1]

sounds like a big project of precise historical ----action ...many tks once your relasing for the masses


joshua /lb

[Led Zeppelin]

Wekusta 2, Nantes-Chateau Bougon, march 20th 1944. (Wekusta = Wettererkundungstaffel = Wheather Recon Unit).

Perform a routine wheather recon mission up to the Irish coast. These missions are vital for U-Boots and Luftwaffe operations in the Atlantic. You have to measure atmospheric pressure at sea level and above coulds at some locations. Report also wheather conditions changes all along your route. Take car as we have lost several aircrafts on the Irish coast in bad wheather condition.

You've been assigned Ju88D-1 D7+HK (WNr. 430334). Crew: Oblt. Alfred Schmid (pilot - Staffelkapitan of Wekusta 2), Wd.Insp. Karl Rösch (meteorologist), Obfw. Fritz Schaper (radio), Fw. Helmut Grupen (gunner).


Note: as you can see in the two pictures, wheather is not the same during all the flight. Thanks to ETO wheather specialists who have build such wheather files that bring a lot of immersion.

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[Led Zeppelin]

Lanveoc-Poulmic near Brest was a seaplane base. After the invasion, the German kept it active and particulary busy with Arado 196, He115, Breguet Bizerte or Do24 among others.

I've build this base for an air sea rescue mission. It is a 'simple' facility file, not an airbase. Moreover, as I don't know anything about mos files, gound is made of grey 3D flat boxes build in gmax.
Well, could be better but with my skills in building facilities, I'm quite happy of the result.
The choice of buildings and vehicules in ETO is amazing, it took me adges to look at ACC stuff!! :icon_lol:

The picture is the base in the 70's. It is still a French Navy base but it is now a school and helicpters base, there are no more seaplanes.


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[HouseHobbit]

WOW!!!!
BRAVO..
:salute: :salute: :salute:

[popsaka]

...That's really cool, LZ. I suspect it looked almost the same back in the day...:applause:

[Led Zeppelin]

Mission building is in progress.

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[Led Zeppelin]

Seenotstaffel I, Lanveoc-Poulmic, september 23rd 1940. We have just recieved a distress call from a Wekusta 2 He111, they have stopped an engine due to mechanical failure and they may not be able to come back to Brest. Take off immediately and provide assistance as necessary.


Well, if you think that air sea rescue missions are boring then, you are wrong :bump:

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[richcreator]

What theatre are the Sunderland missions for; CFS3 or what?

[Old Tiger]

:wavey:I beleive those are ETO1.4 missions:salute:

[Led Zeppelin]

yes, ETO V1.40.

The Sunderland is avaialble at Beau's:
http://www.beauscfs3.leaveningonline.com/html/coastal_command.html

[popsaka]

...I remember flying a mission in CFS1 where the object was to rescue a Spitfire pilot flying a battle damaged a/c... Yeah, rescue missions tend to have a bit of a story line... great for the old ''immersion factor'':applause:

[Led Zeppelin]

In 1940, torpedoes attacks were only performed by He115 seaplanes and Luftwaffe decided to experiment the faster He111 in this role, they were expecting better results. KGr 126 was in charge of developing the He111 in this new role. After intinial training, 3 aircrafts were sent to Brest-Guipavas on november 08th 1940 for the first operational use. Less than 24 hours later, the first mission was ordered and 2 Heinkels took off.

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[HouseHobbit]

This is GREAT!!
BRAVO..:salute: :salute: :salute:

[Led Zeppelin]

I can not post any new pictures, I have an error message that says: "Clipboard03.jpg: Exceeds your quota by 361.9 KB. <a href="misc.php?do=attachments" target="_blank">Click here to view your attachments</a>"

Don't know what it is.

I have tried a new thread but it is the same.

[popsaka]

...what was the size and type of picture file?

[Led Zeppelin]

Same as previous ones: between 300ko and 600ko

[zenon]

Hello LZ,

Fantastic job, waiting for this missions set.

About pb with posting pictures, may be you have exceed the maximum size
for total attachements, have a look at your settings (link in the right part of the heading SOH web page) and next click on attachments in the left and lower part,
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[Led Zeppelin]

That's exactly the problem, thanks to you and Daiwilletti.

Here are a few more pics of the mission. The Blenheim was from 236 squadron. It was a MIVF but, as it doesn't exists in CFS3, I've used the IF.

I've been really surprise because usually, AI behavior is rubish with twin engine fighters but this little Blenheim MkIF is a really nasty opponent!

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[HouseHobbit]

Great screenshots, and this looks like fun..
BRAVO!!!
:salute: :salute: :salute:

[Led Zeppelin]

Dicing mission means Dicing With Death, this is one of the most dangerous task in the RAF: low level recce!

This time, you are in charge of taking pictures of Scharnhorst and Gneisenau at Brest... even a hornets nest is a more peaceful place!

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[popsaka]

...am enjoying this thread and its screenies. :applause: Great stuff, LZ.
I also enjoy the mark 1 Blenhiem as a fighter. I imagine a 'pre-Beaufighter' type of scenario... I've also experimented with the gondola guns: 2x20mm Hispanos plus 2x.303's as well as 2x.303's paired with 2 Vickers 40mm canons for some interesting anti-shipping... :mixedsmi::mixedsmi:

[Pat Pattle]

...am enjoying this thread and its screenies. :applause: Great stuff, LZ.

I second that! Realy great shots LZ. :medals:

[Led Zeppelin]

thanks!

[Led Zeppelin]

This Dicing mission with the Pink Spitfire is followed by a daylight RAF raid on Brest on july 24th 1941.

There are 3 missions for it:
RAF, Hurrocane MkIIb, escort, N°316 Polish squadron

RAF, Wellington, strike, N°101 squadron

Luftwaffe, Emil, intercept, I./JG 2


No screen shot for this one.

[Led Zeppelin]

March 27th 1942. Operation Chariot, a commando raid on the heavily defended Normandie dry dock at Saint-Nazaire will begin tonight. This drydock is the largest in western europe (it was the biggest one in the world when it was completed in 1932), the only one that can be used by Kriegsmarine biggest warships such as the Tirpiz. The objective is to damage it in order to prevent any use by larger German warships. In case of success, they will not have any other choice than going back to Germany if they need repairs, this could be a decisive point for the allies in the terrific Battle of the Atlantic.

RAF Bomber Command mission is to perform a diversion prior to the commando attack, the bombing should keep German troops in their air raid shelters and not immediately ready for action. The bombing run must last 1 hour, it will start at 23:30 and the commando assault should begin at around 01:30. 5 squadrons (35 Whitleys and 27 Wellingtons) are engaged tonight. This is a very special mission with very strict orders, this is not a carpet bombing, all crews will be on their own: 1) do not drop your bombs on civilian areas, engage only clearly identified military targets (refer to briefing map for details) _ 2) Each bomber must stay several minutes over Saint-Nazaire, drop your bombs one by one against various targets. 3) Do not fly below 6000ft. As you can see, very accurate bombing is requiered, come back to base with your bombs if you can't acquire any target. Wheather is far from being perfect, expect low clouds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Nazaire_Raid

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[HouseHobbit]

This looks GREAT!!
Can't wait to wreck a few of the aircraft in this set of missions..:gameoff:
Thanks very Much..
:salute: :salute: :salute:

[Led Zeppelin]

The pack is nearly complete, I still have to do:

-> strike against the cargo Pietro Orseolo in tha Bay of Biscay: Mosquito MkVI (anti-ship) & Typhoon MkI (escort + anti-flak).

-> maybe, for USAAF Mustangs lovers, a P51B escort in june 1944 against a target in Brittany.

-> He177: I can do 3 missions where this aircraft type was involved if it is released soon. Otherwise, it will be after, this is absolutely not a problem.

[popsaka]

...love this thread -love the screenies -keep it up -take your time AND... thanks :applause:

[Led Zeppelin]

Just for my information: do we have a Ju52 Minesweeper in CFS3?

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/it/kit_it_0126.shtml

We have a He111 with a balloon cable cutting device at Ground Crew but I don't remember a Ju52 equipped with the huge ring for minsweeping operations.

[popsaka]

...the only magnetic mine sweeper I ever saw was one of the Ground Crew He-111's dolled up with the degauss ring ...prolly available over at Reg's :salute:

[Led Zeppelin]

No. 487 RNZAF squadron, Sculthorpe, december 1st 1943. The Pietro Orseolo is one of the most successfull blockade runners used by the Kriegsmarine, she has already achieved two travells from Bordeaux to Kobe (Japan). This vessel has been reported heading to Lorient, a Roadstead operation is planned to intercept her and our squadron is in charge of the strike.

The Pietro Orseolo will be engaged near the isle of Groix. Typhoons of 266 squadron will provide escort (8 aircrafts) and Typhoons of 193 squadron will be the anti-flak section (4 aircrafts). Expect heavy flak from the cargo and it's escort.


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The same mission will be flyable from the anti-flak section... a dangerous task!

[HouseHobbit]

Looks Great!!
I like sinking Ships..And wrecking mosquito's too!!
Bravo!!
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[Daiwilletti]

Hi Loic,
do you have recommendations for what setting to make the flak in this mission? Is the hardest level for AA a suicide mission, or is it possible to survive? Something I've tweaked has made my ETO flak deadly accurate and the AI flies straight and slow, turning them into sitting ducks...:isadizzy:

[popsaka]

...Hey LZ, I'm really enjoying this thread... and you've gone from a 1 and a half mission dabbling to a massive multi-national extravaganza...:medals::icon29::icon_lol:

[Led Zeppelin]

Hi Loic,
do you have recommendations for what setting to make the flak in this mission? Is the hardest level for AA a suicide mission, or is it possible to survive? Something I've tweaked has made my ETO flak deadly accurate and the AI flies straight and slow, turning them into sitting ducks...:isadizzy:
I've build these missions with flak setup at Veteran level, I have written something about this in the readme.

It is not possible to fly CFS3 with flak setup at Ace level.

[Daiwilletti]

Ah good, thanks for that.
I'm looking forward to getting my hands on these missions!
In ETO IIRC the approach to "dumbing down" flak is to increase the "noise" parameter in each flak gun's xdp file.
However I think they've gone the other way and made it too easy. Flak hardly ever hits you.
However its hard to get the balance right. Personally, I like the setup where if you fly straight and slow, you are likely to be hit...which is what a lot of the AI does.....

thanks,
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[Led Zeppelin]

The pack is finished now (46 missions).

After several evenings of frustration, I've been able to fix the pathfinder mission. Not 100% as I wanted it to be (CFS3 limitations...) but I'm quite happy with it as it is.

I'm on holliday next week, I plan to release the pack in september as initially expected. If the He177 is available soon, I'll add a couple of mission for it.


Right now, I have started to work ob a small mission pack (3-4 missions) for the Defiant.

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[loverboy1]

this one pack cant wait ...like waiting for a baby ,,,,,,,,

bring it on .......release release


teasers .......pack



:running::guinness::salute:

[HouseHobbit]

BRAVO!!!!
I do enjoy your work..
Thanks very Much...

:salute: :salute: :salute:

[Led Zeppelin]

The pack is uploaded, it should be available soon.

I'll build the He177 missions later.

Enjoy!:wavey:

[cjcz7]

2nd to download!!:jump:
looks great, can't wait to try it out!

[Daiwilletti]

:ernae: :medals:

[Bravo/4]

Well done Loic, very much appreciated!

[loverboy1]

downloaded , added all the extras per your documentation and works like a hand made glove ....


many tks


pulled a hobbit and shot one down and then got shot .....lol


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[Old Tiger]

:wavey:Hi LZ just d/l your ETO Alantic Wall missions. They all work great:ernae: but I need a facility "LBS_tanks_camp_USA_43-44" to make a couple of em to work:salute:

[Led Zeppelin]

thanks.

I have deleted the pack and uploaded a new one with the missing facility.

Attached to this post is the missing file, just replace extension .zip by .xml and drop it into the facility folder.47982

[Led Zeppelin]

Does anybody have problem with mission "LBS_Atl-Wall_44-07-07_Spitfire.xml" (era 4)?

It seems that facility "B_sandbags-f" is missing.

Trouble is that I haven't build this one, I thought it was an original ETO facility, I don't know where does it come from.

Let me know with this item.

[gosd]

Does anybody have problem with mission "LBS_Atl-Wall_44-07-07_Spitfire.xml" (era 4)?

It seems that facility "B_sandbags-f" is missing.

Trouble is that I haven't build this one, I thought it was an original ETO facility, I don't know where does it come from.

Let me know with this item.I have this facility but I don't know where it came from.

[gosd]

Please note that the LBS_Atlantic Wall_45-01-17_D520 and LBS_Atlantic Wall_45-03-02_D520 missins in era 5 require the dr_d520_ffi A/C by Nigel,the proper link to this A/C is:http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=82&id=145

[Led Zeppelin]

I gave the wrong link in the readme? Sorry about that.

[gosd]

Please do not appologize I was just trying to make sure everybody would appreciate the full extend of your astonishing contribution to cfs3. :icon29::icon29::icon29::icon29:

I must admit that everytime I fly a mission from this pack I come back to this thread in order to better understand the mission and it's purpose.:icon_lol:

[Old Tiger]

Does anybody have problem with mission "LBS_Atl-Wall_44-07-07_Spitfire.xml" (era 4)?

It seems that facility "B_sandbags-f" is missing.

Trouble is that I haven't build this one, I thought it was an original ETO facility, I don't know where does it come from.

Let me know with this item.
:salute:LZ I have it I have the original ETO facilitys. It was in there:salute:BTW all your Alantic Wall missions work great for me:applause::guinness:

[cjcz7]

I'm also missing B_sandbags-f

but apart from that, love the missions, great fun!!

[Capt. Winters]

Hi Guys,

Hi LZ, I just checked my ETO 1.4 install and I do not have the B_sandbags-f facility file.

I checked the following installs as well and none had this file.

Stock CFS3.
ETO 1.20 (base install)
MAW.
PTO.
CFS3 BoB.
DPC CFS3 Korea.
OFF.

Its possible that the file came with a mission set somewhere along the line and some people must have had the files in the thier CFS3 install when they installed ETO and thats how ETO has picked up the file.

I would attach the file here for those who already have your mission set and possibly re-upload the set with the missing files and a revised link to Nigels plane for people to who download in the future.

great effort on your part.

regards Rob.

[Old Tiger]

Hi Guys,

Hi LZ, I just checked my ETO 1.4 install and I do not have the B_sandbags-f facility file.

I checked the following installs as well and none had this file.

Stock CFS3.
ETO 1.20 (base install)
MAW.
PTO.
CFS3 BoB.
DPC CFS3 Korea.
OFF.


Its possible that the file came with a mission set somewhere along the line and some people must have had the files in the thier CFS3 install when they installed ETO and thats how ETO has picked up the file.

I would attach the file here for those who already have your mission set and possibly re-upload the set with the missing files and a revised link to Nigels plane for people to who download in the future.

great effort on your part.

regards Rob.

:salute:B_sandbags-f Rob: I also have it in my DPC Korea and BOB.

[Led Zeppelin]

Here is the anwswer:


This is from Wuffmann's Mission Package "BoB for ETO by Wuffmann". It is still on Fouteman's Website. Downloaded it is called "09_bob_pack_1-0.zip"

Thanks rcaf'

I'll build my own facility and upload an updated pack.

[Old Tiger]

Here is the anwswer:



Thanks rcaf'

I'll build my own facility and upload an updated pack.

:salute:Thanks LZ You can never have too many facilitys:ernae:

[loverboy1]

B_sandbags-f" is missing.

this facility yes i dont have all others great ......i feel these are real , these beiong your mission pack, is excellent and very detailed and well designed .


im grateful and feel this is a real gem set , wait till hobbit adds any .....lol , ww3


many thanks led


joshua

[Led Zeppelin]

I am actually preparing the final revision of this pack.

What's new:
- missing facility issue corrected.

- Ju88A-17 (X1)

- Ju88P-4 (X1 What If)

- P38-J (X1)

- Liberator GRV (X1)

- He177 (X6: 2 Training, anti ship in the Atlantic, Anzio, Normandy, Ferry Flight). Regarding the HS123, I've used the same procedure as for the Do217 missions released in the Anzio pack.

[Led Zeppelin]

Does anybody have an historical information regarding a possible torpedo attack performed by Beaufighters around Brest or in the Bay if Biscay area? I would like to include one but I don't have information.

I have already included a Beaufighter rocket attack in the initial release.

[BeauBrummie]

What period (Era) are we talking about Loic? Nothing comes to mind. Once rockets were in widespread use, CC and most of the RAF in the ETO abandoned torpedo attacks as not being a cost efficient way of sinking ships. Too costly in aircraft losses against uncertain returns. I will look though for you.

[gosd]

...the only magnetic mine sweeper I ever saw was one of the Ground Crew He-111's dolled up with the degauss ring ...prolly available over at Reg's :salute:

I can't find this one,where exactly is it ?

[Thudman]

It is at Reg's hangar in the Groundcrew section, Under He111 and Specially equiped. It is a He-111H-8

[gosd]

The He-111H-8 is a cable cutter not a mine sweeper.

[Led Zeppelin]

What period (Era) are we talking about Loic? Nothing comes to mind. Once rockets were in widespread use, CC and most of the RAF in the ETO abandoned torpedo attacks as not being a cost efficient way of sinking ships. Too costly in aircraft losses against uncertain returns. I will look though for you.

Any era! I found Beaufort torpedos attacks but not Beaufighters. Well if I can't build this one, it doesn't really matter.

[loverboy1]

http://www.astonishingluck.com/the-story/files/2f70994febd854143d79407f907609ec-23.html

[loverboy1]

As the war progressed, the threat of night-time German bombing receded. Therefore, the need for a night-time fighter also receded. The Beaufighter was then used primarily in an anti-shipping role. The Beaufighter was used against U-boats (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/u-boats.htm) in the North Sea and in the Bay of Biscay. As an extension of this role, some Beaufighters were fitted with torpedo-carrying gear from April 1943 (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/world_war_two_1943.htm) on and rocket launchers.

[Led Zeppelin]

http://www.astonishingluck.com/the-story/files/2f70994febd854143d79407f907609ec-23.html
Thanks for the link, didn't know this book.

I checked and it is from 404 RCAF squadron, they operated Torbeaus only in Norway area and when they were engaged in western europe, they were already equipped with rockets (LBS_Atlantic Wall_44-08-08_Beaufighter in this mission pack is a 404 squadron).

[Led Zeppelin]

I have actually 12 new missions completed (He177, P-38, Typhoon, P-47, Ju88, Mosquito...) + 1 corrected. Another mission is under building process.

If the Ju52 Minsweeper is released soon, I'll include a mission for it (1./Minenschuchgruppe.1). Mission is to sweep mines ahead of Pietro Orseolo, a blockade runner that is arriving to Lorient after a successfull trip.
Now, if anybody has a good idea to make it challenging and different from usual missions, I'm interested.

One of the missions is for 20th FG / 79th FS, King Cliffe, july 9th 1944.
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[Led Zeppelin]

The updated pack is uploaded (full pack + 13 new missions + missing facility issue corrected), it should be available soon.

[HouseHobbit]

BRAVO!!
This will be Great!!
BRAVO!!

[loverboy1]

SIR LED ,,THIS IS fantasic ......your work , i am still working on the last set of hisotrical missions ...lol, they are highly detailed , and very well laid out , even for the novice .


theres a great honour in flying these , i will admit i cheat from time to time in warp ... but there a real tear jerker when one thinks of the sacrifices made many the valient men ,who flew and died for the liberty and freedom we now enjoy ...


again tks ..


joshua / lb

[loverboy1]

Available soon, there are still two missions to build.

This will be a 4 missions pack: 3 historical and 1 random patrol in the Bay of Biscay. Maybe I'll build one from Luftwaffe side (Ju88C-6).

It is dedicated to those who like flak and cold water :bump:

Sources:
- Aérojournal (french magasine):
http://www.aero-journal.com/images/couvs/couverture-aerojournal-8.jpg

- http://www.uboat.net/

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sorry to brother you led , but missing this facility if you can email COPY IF YOU WILL , ID APPRECIATE


caps off , sorry

FacilityID="lor345"


for your mission set many tks


joshua /lb

[Led Zeppelin]

Lorient Kerlin-Bastard is part of ETO your are probably not in the correct era.

[gosd]

I got this from the download upgrade :

-> Recommended downloads for a better immersion on several missions


- Alternate skins for French P47D (ETO_P47_France):
P-47D Thunderbolt, EC1/8 Maghreb, French Air Force, 1950s and/or P-47D-27-RE, GC I/4 Navarre:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?catid=75&sort=N&pp=15&page=2


- D Day Skin for Spitfire MkV (ETO_Spitfire5B). Note, there is a mistake on the page, the Spitfire on the picture is not the skin in the zip file:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=14397


- 'Pink Spitfire' to fly the 'Dicing' mission for those who have the Aeroplane Heaven/Just Flight Spitfire MkI:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/page.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=14024


- B24J_406th NLS Black Zombie from "ETO FirePower USAAF HeavyBombers2" for those who have Fire Power to fly the Carpetbagger mission:
http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/category/10-eto-pto-sim-outhouse/

In wich mission are these reskin intended for ?

[Led Zeppelin]

Does anybody else have troubles with this package? loverboy, does it working now?

The only added requested downloads for the new package are:
- He177 "TK_He177A_3_F8CM":
http://www.beauscfs3.leaveningonline.com/html/sea_eagles.html

- Ju88A-17 "TK-ju-88 A17"
http://www.beauscfs3.leaveningonline.com/html/luftwaffe.html


Regarding the optional skins:

- Alternate skins for French P47D (ETO_P47_France):
P-47D Thunderbolt, EC1/8 Maghreb, French Air Force, 1950s and/or P-47D-27-RE, GC I/4 Navarre:
Era 5 -> LBS_Atlantic Wall_45-04-14_1_P47
Era 5 -> LBS_Atlantic Wall_45-04-14_2_P47

- D Day Skin for Spitfire MkV (ETO_Spitfire5B). Note, there is a mistake on the page, the Spitfire on the picture is not the skin in the zip file:
Era 4 -> LBS_Atlantic Wall_44-07-07_Spitfire'
Era 4 -> LBS_Atlantic Wall_44-07-27_Spitfire


- 'Pink Spitfire' to fly the 'Dicing' mission for those who have the Aeroplane Heaven/Just Flight Spitfire MkI:
Era 2 -> LBS_Atlantic Wall_41-04-09_SpitPR


- B24J_406th NLS Black Zombie from "ETO FirePower USAAF HeavyBombers2" for those who have Fire Power to fly the Carpetbagger mission:
Era 4 -> LBS_Atlantic Wall_44-07-09_B26

[loverboy1]

still playing it ,,,all ok , these are hot .....if one does i think it is what addons they have in conlfict is the only reason , for me all good now



loverboy1- joshua


yeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Led Zeppelin]

good.

[gosd]

The pink Spitfire in the LBS_Atlantic Wall_41-04-09_SpitPR really gives you the feeling of it all.

Thanks.:guinness:

[HouseHobbit]

I haven't had the chance to fly these yet..
Looking forward to it, I know they will be Great..
BRAVO..
:salute: :salute: :salute:

[loverboy1]

get up hobbit ......