A 'different' B-17

[jankees]

B-17F 41-24585 "Wulfe Hound" flew with the 303rd BG from the UK until it was forced to make an emergency landing within enemy territory on 12 december 1942. It was not damaged very much, and the Germans managed to get it airborne again. It was given a yellow underside and the markings DL+XC and was extensively tesetd at Rechlin airfield. It was also sent on a tour of Luftwaffe fighterbases in France, to make the pilots there with the weak and strong points of the B-17. Afterwards, it was transferred to KG200, a squadron for all kinds of clandestine missions. It was destroyed during an American airraid on Oranienburg Airfield near Berlin in april 1945.

Here's a few pics of a repaint of Wulfe Hound I was asked to do for the A2A B-17:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9153.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9156.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9169.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9175.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9173.jpg

and the original:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/germanb-17.jpg

[Lewis-A2A]

Stunning :ernae:

ps, Dec 1945 might be a bit late ;)

[jeansy]

very nice work indeed

its always good to see the odd captured paints like a zero with australian markings

im left wondering to think if the war went on a bit longer would the americans introduce the 29 into ETO after the 29s were exploited

its a great paint anyway

[TeiscoDelRay]

Cool,,,has anyone done a worn and weathered cockpit yet? If not what are the problems with the cockpit and can it be done? I know some mappers use a single texture for many parts making detailing impossible.

[modelr]

Looking forward to this one. I like the odd bright paints. Do you have any pics of the War Weary planes that were used for squadron joinup during take-off periods? I've seen lots of pics somewhere showing these brightly painted aircraft.

[Warrant]

SWEET! Magnificent job there! :salute:

I did two German B-17's (KG200) for the FS9 WoP a long time ago. Was fun to do and to study on their history.
Edit: perhaps i will purchase the bird iot fly with this excellent repaint.

[Helldiver]

The plane you depict is not a B-17 F. It's a G which did not appear until March of 1944. It was a competely different aircraft in guns, armor and useful payload.
The Nazis did capture a couple of "G" models but Wulf Hound as not one of them. Most of the useful bombing was done by the B-17 Es and the B-17 Fs.
Unfortunately, the ony ones remain seem to be B-17 Gs that never went overseas.

[jankees]

I know Helldiver, but there's no F in FSX (yet). Besides, it was a request to do this paint, for the A2A G model.
As for combat veterans, I did this paint:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX8146.jpg

of the Pink Lady, and she is a real vet, that flew 6 missions at the end of the war, looking something like this:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX8333.jpg

so there is at least one. Unfortunately, she's recently been grounded for the moment.

[Lewis-A2A]

Helldiver, would you like to explain to the relatives of the Bombadier and Navigator from this B-17G that they didnt really exist?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/Madaboutsims/nose5-300x197.gif


Disrespecting history is disrespecting those that paid the ultimate price, even if you are already a vet of a different campaign. It is a Myth that the Luftwaffe was all but beat in 1944, as it is that the G's didnt get into any real combat.

[Warrant]

Helldiver, would you like to explain to the relatives of the Bombadier and Navigator from this B-17G that they didnt really exist?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/Madaboutsims/nose5-300x197.gif


Disrespecting history is disrespecting those that paid the ultimate price, even if you are already a vet of a different campaign. It is a Myth that the Luftwaffe was all but beat in 1944, as it is that the G's didnt get into any real combat.

You are probably most likely very right here, Lewis A2A. But take it easy on Helldiver, please! Guess Helldiver is not really the kind of lad that disrespects anything.

Great find, BTW

[CWOJackson]

Lewis, when he said, "Unfortunately, the only ones remain seem to be B-17 Gs that never went overseas", he's referring to the B-17s that are flying today are G models that remained in country and never went to a war zone.

He is in no way inferring that B-17Gs didn't participate in the war.

[huub vink]

My knowledge comes from books, so I'm not the original source. But to my information the B-17G 42-31134 took part in the raid on the secret heavy water plant near the Rjukan Valley in Norway. This raid took place on 16 November 1943. And the B-17G 42-37830 of the 413th BS was shot down near Arnhem (the Netherlands) on 13 November 1943.
The B-17G-5BO 42-31143 'Satan's Lady' was stationed at Thurleigh in October 1943.

(Source: Osprey combat aircraft 36 - B-17 Flying Fortress Units of the Eight Air Force (part 2)

So I assume the B-17G was introduced in Europe in Autumn 1943 already.

Cheers,
Huub

PS I know Bob/Helldiver sometimes has some problems with small fonts, thats why I use a larger font.

[Warrant]

Here are the pic's from the very old FS9 WoP B-17 (F & G) KG200 repaints i mentioned earlier:

29364 29366 29365 29367

[peter12213]

Yeah I'm no expert but I thought they started coming over in 43!

[W. Bleddyn]

Well quibbling aside, I think the repaint looks fantastic. Sometimes you have to live with a skin that is on the wrong variant in FSX because we just don't have all the variants ;)

I fly a Search and Rescue Lancaster (FCS) that has machine gun turrets....

[Lewis-A2A]

Lewis, when he said, "Unfortunately, the only ones remain seem to be B-17 Gs that never went overseas", he's referring to the B-17s that are flying today are G models that remained in country and never went to a war zone.

He is in no way inferring that B-17Gs didn't participate in the war.


Ahh rght, sorry my mistake Helldiver.

However the G's did inded start hitting the BG Sqns in late 43, as says Vets, books, history and of course actual military records and Boeing records from the factories.

The Pacific is however a different campaign and Hellediver is quite right that over there it was the earlier models that really took the beating.

[jankees]

Whether you like it or not, you can now download this paint by going here (http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/1554-a2a-b-17g-wulfe-hound-luftwaffe/).

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9457.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/jcblom60/2010/FX9456.jpg

hope you enjoy it,

JanKees

[Kowalski65]

I love it, and am getting it now!

[Roadburner440]

Another fantastic job as always Jankees! Get a paint, and a history lesson. You can't beat this stuff. Thank you for the hard work.

[Wittpilot]

For some unknown reason Helldiver attempts to bring this up all the time.... That B-17G's basically played a little role in the airwar in Europe, and the only reason that they exist today is because they arrived so late in the war.

Im sure he is set in his ways by now, so I no longer try to explain my side of the story....

My grandfather flew 45 combat missions over Germany, all of them were in a B-17 G......