Convair

[Bjoern]

Hey, look at that, it's Convair 580!



http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/th_CV-580_FSX_3.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/CV-580_FSX_3.jpg)


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/th_CV-580_FSX_4.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/CV-580_FSX_4.jpg)




But look at that, I think I spot some specular and bump mapping!

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/th_CV-580_FSX_2.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/CV-580_FSX_2.jpg)


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/th_CV-580_FSX_1.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/CV-580_FSX_1.jpg)




And somewhere in these shots is some self-shadowing!

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/th_CV-580_FSX_6.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/CV-580_FSX_6.jpg)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/th_CV-580_FSX_5.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Screenshots%202/CV-580_FSX_5.jpg)




Oh no, he didn't!





Yes, he did.





Thanks to Tom Gibson for the source files!





Just need to do all the pesky stuff, like writing ID10T-proof installation instructions, packing everything and uploading it.

[SADT]

I saw one of these at Warbirds over Wanaka 2010. They make incredible amount of noise. :jump:

[Navy Chief]

Very, VERY nice!

Would like to see a Convair 880 get done too!!!

NC

[Bjoern]

Would like to see a Convair 880 get done too!!!

Well, no one did one with a VC since FS2002 days.


But I wouldn't do one. A 990 maybe, but no 880.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

The tailfin looks awesome with these bumps!
And thanks to the painted-only windows, I already see lots of cargo paints coming up.

Great work, Björn! :ernae:

Cheers,
Markus.

[Bjoern]

Speaking of cargo; I'm thinking of cutting out the baggage door and doing a dedicated cargo model - provided that the cutouts are always in one and the same location and not dependant on the company doing the conversion.


- Edit:

But then again; Gmax is such a nightmare to use...

[Bjoern]

I wanted to fly this thing today, not cut stuff in and out, darnit! D:


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_cv580_cargo.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/cv580_cargo.jpg)

[stansdds]

Bjoern, if you are going to start cutting the 580, then by all means please cut a big, hydraulically controlled cargo door into that baby!

By the way, any change in the skins for the 580 or do they remain the same as the FS9 skins?

[Bjoern]

Bjoern, if you are going to start cutting the 580, then by all means please cut a big, hydraulically controlled cargo door into that baby!

I'm on that.


By the way, any change in the skins for the 580 or do they remain the same as the FS9 skins?Any livery ever released for the 580 can be used with the native model.

Retaining compatibility was a major objective in the process.

[stansdds]

I'm on that.

Any livery ever released for the 580 can be used with the native model.

Retaining compatibility was a major objective in the process.
:jump::applause:

[Slund]

Just thinking out loud, a tank on this aircraft would be great.

27865

[Navy Chief]

....... A 990 maybe, but no 880.


That would also be cool!

NC

[Matt Wynn]

YES! nice one Bjoern, your next beer is on my tab! :ernae: can't wait to drape a Sim outhouse livery onto her!

[Bjoern]

Just thinking out loud, a tank on this aircraft would be great.


Just thinking out loud: No, not from me.

[stansdds]

I would think that adding a tank would require a lot of 3D model work, new skin mapping, and a new flight model.

[Slund]

Just thinking out loud: No, not from me.

:salute: No worries, it will be great to have a native 580, thank you kindly.

[Bjoern]

The VC has more changes than the average user will ever notice. And yes, the wipers are working and behaving realistically.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_580_Conversion_Final_1.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/580_Conversion_Final_1.jpg)


Some paints need adjustments to the doors.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_580_Conversion_Final_2.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/580_Conversion_Final_2.jpg)


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_580_Conversion_Final_3.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/580_Conversion_Final_3.jpg)

Also, there's strobe lights now which should make the FAA stop complaining.


Thinking about adding a GPU...but where to plug it in?




I would think that adding a tank would require a lot of 3D model work, new skin mapping, and a new flight model.

The 3D and texturing work isn't actually the worst part. With a tanker model comes the request to add firebombing capability, which would require FDE, gauge and effect work. And that's work I simply don't want to do.

[fsafranek]

Thanks for making the cargo version.

Can you round out the edges of all the doors please. That's always bugged me since the old FS98 version (http://www.freeflightdesign.org/text/freeflight.html) I helped make. We had sever limitations on poly count back then and as the model has moved through the FS versions over time (and I got sidetracked with French fighters) no one has addressed that area.

How about putting in a plug in front of and behind the wings to make a 5800 model?
Info here: http://www.flightcraft.ca/documents/stretch_docs/stretch-extension.htm
:ernae:

[Cag40Navy]

The 3D and texturing work isn't actually the worst part. With a tanker model comes the request to add firebombing capability, which would require FDE, gauge and effect work. And that's work I simply don't want to do.
If you do the model itself, someone will come along and do the effects and stuff like that. Even just the model i would be very thankful for.
Im very happy to see just a native 580 anyways.

[Bjoern]

GPU. Appears when the appropriate switch in the 'pit is set to "ground".

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_580_Conversion_Final_4.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/580_Conversion_Final_4.jpg)




Can you round out the edges of all the doors please. That's always bugged me since the old FS98 version (http://www.freeflightdesign.org/text/freeflight.html) I helped make. We had sever limitations on poly count back then and as the model has moved through the FS versions over time (and I got sidetracked with French fighters) no one has addressed that area.

Can't; won't.

I'm trying to slice out the doors as good as I can (it's not square at least), but the mesh is just too old to put in tons of refinements.

I will not touch the mapping of the main parts. GMax is kind of a nightmare to use compared to 3DS Max (on the upside, GMax exports faster than Max 9), especially in the mapping department, so anything I do is, well, rather lo-fi and simple.



How about putting in a plug in front of and behind the wings to make a 5800 model?
Info here: http://www.flightcraft.ca/documents/stretch_docs/stretch-extension.htm
:ernae:No.
Reason: See above. I won't touch any relevant texture mappings.

Also, the 5800 is *way* more than "just" a stretch. Think new engines (= FDE) and a partial glass cockpit (= gauges).




If you do the model itself, someone will come along and do the effects and stuff like that. Even just the model i would be very thankful for.

Okay, you'll get that freaking tank.
But if you ask for a stubby nose version, I *will* kill you! ;P

[txnetcop]

Okay, you'll get that freaking tank.
But if you ask for a stubby nose version, I *will* kill you! ;P

Geez Bjoern he's just making his desire known...you wanted to be a steely-eyed developer...this is what you put up with LOL!!! Hey could you do the stubby nose version?????
Ted

[kilo delta]

Excellent work,Bjorn :ernae:

Can you morph the mesh a 'lil bit until it looks and flies like a DC-8?!!!!!





j/k :d

Buahahahahaha

[Bjoern]

Geez Bjoern he's just making his desire known...

Yeah, still all I do is work, work, work and all I ever get is "Can you do this and that?". :(


you wanted to be a steely-eyed developer...this is what you put up with LOL!!!

I don't get paid for investing hours of my time into models, so I actually don't have to.

And even 'though I know that it'll bite me in the arse later on, I'll do it this once because it's in my "boundary of willingness".

But here's the catch...there'll be just a .mdl file for the airtanker subvariant and the end user will have to figure everything else out him/herself. Mwahahahaha!


Hey could you do the stubby nose version?????

Buggar off. ;)

(Also, I don't do fugly noses.)




Can you morph the mesh a 'lil bit until it looks and flies like a DC-8?!!!!!

That's it. No DC-8 ever from me!

[Bjoern]

One tank without fries, but coke?


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_580_tanker.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/580_tanker.jpg)

[kilo delta]

:ernae:


Bow the belly tank a little....stick some outriggers on the wings and turn it into an amphibian! ;P

[Bjoern]

:ernae:


Bow the belly tank a little....stick some outriggers on the wings and turn it into an amphibian! ;P

Nah, I've got much more important stuff to do.

[Brian_Gladden]

A bump to see how this is doing....

[SADT]

Buggar off. ;)

(Also, I don't do fugly noses.)

That's it. No DC-8 ever from me!

Bjoern, the stubby nose version isn't fugly, its cute in its own special way :) ;)

[Bjoern]

A bump to see how this is doing....

Stuck at the "make the wipers wipe something away" part.

I've spent an unhealthy amount of time at this bird while I actually should do my bachelor thesis.




Bjoern, the stubby nose version isn't fugly, its cute in its own special way :) ;)

You still won't get one. :P

[Slund]

Thanks Bjoern, the tank looks fantastic and I really appreciate the addtional work you've done. I'll happily add the retardant effect myself and fly the pants off her once she's done.

[Bjoern]

I've invested way too much time into the following feature...just to prove that it can be done. xP

XCAzue4iTIU

[SADT]

Hi Bjoern,

Thats looks awesome! :d is there a way to apply rain effects to other aircraft in FSX? :salute:

[Slund]

AWESOME, well done Bjoern. :salute:

[CG_1976]

:redfire:Excellent Bjoern, really like the wiper effect. She'll make a excellent Hooch smuggler aircraft for them Canada/US runs around Vancouver Island.

[txnetcop]

YOU DA BOMB Bjoern...uh......now do I get the stubby nose version?????????
Ted


Hey you're studying electrical engineering...right? I'll give ya a legal hint on a thesis. Mine was Machine Dynamics and Transients In Power System Analysis. A lot has transpired since I wrote that and tons of updated material on it...including new methods of analysis. It is wide open for re-interpretation.

[Bjoern]

is there a way to apply rain effects to other aircraft in FSX? :salute:

Nope. Hardcoded into the model.




She'll make a excellent Hooch smuggler aircraft for them Canada/US runs around Vancouver Island.

I kind of expected you to bite at one point, considering that Kelowna Flightcraft and Nolinor are major users of the 580. ;)




YOU DA BOMB Bjoern...uh......now do I get the stubby nose version?????????

20,000€ and we'll talk. ;)


Hey you're studying electrical engineering...right?

No. Try the mechanical department. And I've already got my thesis topic. It's all about polymers. :cool:

[stansdds]

That's a pretty neat rain and wiper animation! Too bad the clearing action of the wipers is purely an "on" or "off" proposition. It would be nice if the wipers were constantly clearing a slowly reappearing film of moisture, but that might be an impossible animation with FSX.

[Bjoern]

That's a pretty neat rain and wiper animation! Too bad the clearing action of the wipers is purely an "on" or "off" proposition. It would be nice if the wipers were constantly clearing a slowly reappearing film of moisture, but that might be an impossible animation with FSX.

Nothing is impossible in FSX, but both time budget and patience have limits.


I'll see if I can do something about the "popping" of the wiper trail. To have a slowly appearing film however, would mean a few more materials which in turn means worse performance and a ton more work for me.


Still, at the moment, the 580 is as performance friendly as Piglet's planes, which in turn means it performs slightly better than FSX's default aircraft.

[SADT]

Hey Bjoern,

The info on the frame rates is great. Your are honestly turning out to be one of the most innovative freeware designers of 2010/2011 :) :salute:

[Bjoern]

The info on the frame rates is great. Your are honestly turning out to be one of the most innovative freeware designers of 2010/2011 :) :salute:

It's just a small step on my way to "Best FSX dev of all time". :icon_lol:

[stansdds]

Update? :bump:

[Cag40Navy]

One tank without fries, but coke?


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_580_tanker.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/580_tanker.jpg)
Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you!

[txnetcop]

Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you!

Real nice Bjoern but it doesn't look like the stubby nose version I had in mind...:wavey:

[Bjoern]

Update? :bump:

No. Because you've asked.


I know I'm mean. *Snicker*




Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you!

The tank interferes with the pax door 'though and needs some more shaping. That's basically all that's left to be done. Plus writing idiotproof Readmes, making awful preview pictures and all that other annoying stuff.




Real nice Bjoern but it doesn't look like the stubby nose version I had in mind...:wavey:

It also doesn't look like the encouraging post I've had in mind.

Five thousand Dollars and you'll get your stubby nose version. At that price, I'd even throw in a new fuselage mesh.

[Bjoern]

Blah.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_CV-580_NT_1.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/CV-580_NT_1.jpg)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_CV-580_NT_2.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/CV-580_NT_2.jpg)


There's still some bugs around. *Sigh*

[Cag40Navy]

Blah.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_CV-580_NT_1.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/CV-580_NT_1.jpg)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_CV-580_NT_2.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/CV-580_NT_2.jpg)


There's still some bugs around. *Sigh*
Still cant thank you enough! Thank you, Thank you!

[stansdds]

It's looking really good. I'll be happy just to get a standard CV580 with the cargo door. :jump:

[Bjoern]

Still cant thank you enough! Thank you, Thank you!

LoL, no problem.




I'll be happy just to get a standard CV580 with the cargo door. :jump:

And a LD7 in the cargo bay.

[pbearsailor]

Thanks, Bjoern. This is really nice.

Brings back memories for me. Early 80's I was flying a King Air out of Fort Smith, AR, and we often flew from there to Dallas, usually KDFW. Frontier did the same run in Convairs and usually flew similar times and altitudes to what we did, 17K to FL200 or so. We never varied, but when thunderstorms were around, they'd fly the route at 5000--always seemed weird to us. Couple of years later during a simulator session, the instructor happened to be a former Frontier pilot and I asked him why. He said they really wanted to be up higher with us, but their radars were so bad that they couldn't paint any weather, so they figured they were safer just bumbling along down low. Sometimes it was better being a corporate pilot. :icon_eek:

Thanks again for bringing this one to us.

cheers,
steve :wavey:

[SADT]

Thanks, Bjoern. This is really nice.

Brings back memories for me. Early 80's I was flying a King Air out of Fort Smith, AR, and we often flew from there to Dallas, usually KDFW. Frontier did the same run in Convairs and usually flew similar times and altitudes to what we did, 17K to FL200 or so. We never varied, but when thunderstorms were around, they'd fly the route at 5000--always seemed weird to us. Couple of years later during a simulator session, the instructor happened to be a former Frontier pilot and I asked him why. He said they really wanted to be up higher with us, but their radars were so bad that they couldn't paint any weather, so they figured they were safer just bumbling along down low. Sometimes it was better being a corporate pilot. :icon_eek:

Thanks again for bringing this one to us.

cheers,
steve :wavey:

Eeek! Yikes hey..... makes you think :icon_eek:

[Bjoern]

He said they really wanted to be up higher with us, but their radars were so bad that they couldn't paint any weather, so they figured they were safer just bumbling along down low.

Well, in that regard...the radar gauge in the virtual 580's cockpit is just a generic stand-in and just as useful as the real one then. :icon_lol:


Btw:

Check Avsim, Flightsim or the library here. Happy Frontier runs!

[Z-AZ1USN]

I enjoy this plane although I had to make thumbnail for the Sierra Pacific.
Interested to know if any of the Cal Classic/Classic Propliners 580's will
work with the basic addon? If not then what do you recommend as a source
for additional liveries besides making my own. Interested in a US Navy version.
I use to fly in them from NAS Alameda to NAS Miramar back in the 60's.



:wiggle:

[Bjoern]

...

I've included a thumbnail vor the Sierra Pacific paint...

Old repaints still work, but I don't know of any USN repaints for the 580.

Repaints for the 440 might probably work, as long as you just copy over the fuselage textures. Absolutely no guarantees though.

[Shane Strong CYHZ]

i was looking for the wiper switch and can not seem to find it :)

[Navy Chief]

Very, VERY nice, Bjoern!

As for the Wiper switch.....go to Copilot view...look up. You have to turn switch to get it to work.

[CG_1976]

Well Markus Hellwig's RCAF Paint works
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x311/thobin76/2011-2-10_17-25-47-42.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x311/thobin76/2011-2-10_17-27-58-102.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x311/thobin76/2011-2-10_17-58-11-421.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x311/thobin76/2011-2-10_18-4-16-195.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x311/thobin76/2011-2-10_18-16-5-560.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x311/thobin76/2011-2-10_18-19-12-665.jpg

[Navy Chief]

I enjoy this plane although I had to make thumbnail for the Sierra Pacific.
Interested to know if any of the Cal Classic/Classic Propliners 580's will
work with the basic addon? If not then what do you recommend as a source
for additional liveries besides making my own. Interested in a US Navy version.
I use to fly in them from NAS Alameda to NAS Miramar back in the 60's.
:wiggle:

Would be interested in that, myself. Never flew in a USN Convair. Closest thing to it that I was on was a C-118.

[HenryW]

Would be interested in that, myself. Never flew in a USN Convair. Closest thing to it that I was on was a C-118.

I got one in the works:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u36/Wyrneh/Props/cv5803.jpg

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u36/Wyrneh/Props/cv5801.jpg

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u36/Wyrneh/Props/cv5802.jpg

BTW, thanks Bjoern!

[Bjoern]

i was looking for the wiper switch and can not seem to find it :)

Read the readme.

I don't write all that just for fun. :|




BTW, thanks Bjoern!

No thanks needed; tons of repaints will suffice. :d

[Navy Chief]

Henryw,

Thanks in advance for the USN repaint!!!

NC

[Z-AZ1USN]

Thanks henryW for the Navy Convair.


Let me know when when it's available........

:wavey:

[Bjoern]

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Buffalo Airways paint for the Cal-Classic CV-580 FS X package. Textures are 32bit w/ custom alphas and custom window night lighting. Must have the FS X CV-580 base package installed. requires the FS X base package which can be found at the usual places. Included are ALL needed files,as some common textures were edited for this special fictional Buffalo Airways repaint. Inspired by the TV show Ice Pilots NWT.
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[Z-AZ1USN]

I've noticed that the passenger loading door (one with the folding ladder)
will only stay open when the engines shut down. And sometimes it will open
and close automatically when your selected takeoff airport loads up.
You then see the door briefly open then shut (no keys selected).
Was that purposely programed into the plane?

:kilroy:

[tankerguy72]

Threw some paint on the 580

31916

[Bjoern]

Was that purposely programed into the plane?

Yes and as it's in the gauges, you can't do anything about it.


Majorly annoying when you have to frequently refresh the aircraft during development.



- Edit: Nice paint, Tankerguy!

[Slund]

Threw some paint on the 580

31916

Great aircraft and great paint, can't wait to get both downloaded.

[stansdds]

If you turn on the "fasten seat belts" switch in the lights panel over the pilot's head the door and stairs should remain closed. At least that's the way it worked on previous CalClassics versions of the 580.

[harryrupert]

Hi Guys,
This aircraft looks really amazing, however I am having problems with installing it into FSX, I have downloaded the base package, installed the 2 x files into the gauges file but I still have a message re old FS gauge being "this gauge was created for FS98 so when I load the aircraft the panel is incomplete, I really would appreciate some help on this as I'm stuck.
Thanks
Harry in France

[Bjoern]

If you turn on the "fasten seat belts" switch in the lights panel over the pilot's head the door and stairs should remain closed. At least that's the way it worked on previous CalClassics versions of the 580.

That info comes a few weeks and tons of swearing late. :|




Hi Guys,
This aircraft looks really amazing, however I am having problems with installing it into FSX, I have downloaded the base package, installed the 2 x files into the gauges file but I still have a message re old FS gauge being "this gauge was created for FS98 so when I load the aircraft the panel is incomplete, I really would appreciate some help on this as I'm stuck.

The base package from the Calclassic page isn't the one with my updated model.

And my package doesn't show such errors. If you get warnings nonetheless, just ignore them or edit out the offending gauge from the panel.cfg.

[harryrupert]

Thanks, thats why I have problems then, as I was using the Cal Classic file, may I ask where I can download your model? I have searched here but can't seem to find it, think I need new glasses!!
Thanks very much,
Harry:jump:

[Bjoern]

It's on other sites as well. Happy hunting.

[harryrupert]

Thanks Bjoern, found it on Avsim
Harry:salute:

[heliman206]

hey tankerguy is there any chance that your uploading your conair paint?

Cheers

[luftwulf]

Excellent work, just put in the CS Weather Radar and working well.

Blue Skies,

LW

[Bjoern]

Thanks, Mister Wolf. :d

[Slund]

Tankerguy, have you uploaded your repaint of 52, I would love to get a copy of that!! Looks great...

Thanks
Shawn

[jhefner]

I saw one of these at Warbirds over Wanaka 2010. They make incredible amount of noise. :jump:

I need a Trans-Texas Airline (aka Tree Top Airline) repaint. My great-grandmother used to fly in to visit us on one of these; back in the days when you could stand on the terminal balcony overlooking the boarding area and watch. I blame my current hearing loss in part to those Rolls Royce Darts, they were noisy.

-James

[Bjoern]

There's a fundamental difference between tnhe 600 series and the 580. The RR Darts weren't as powerful as the T-56s and they tended to stick those butt ugly small radar noses on the 600s.



Btw: Spot the differences.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/th_580v2.jpg (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/t3h_3vil/FS%20Development/580v2.jpg)