Another USN Bird Neglected in Flight Sim

[TARPSBird]

Considering that there have been several versions of the Grumman S-2 Tracker available over the years, I'm surprised that nobody has yet come out with the Grumman E-1B Tracer, commonly nicknamed the "Willie Fudd" from its old WF-2 designation. The Fudds performed the Airborne Early Warning mission aboard smaller carriers for quite a few years after the E-2 Hawkeye took over the mission on the big decks.
(http://www.aero-web.org/database/museums/showimage.php?id=4936)

[hawkeye52]

I would dearly love to see a Willie Fudd grace the FS9 skies!!! :applause::applause::applause:

- Super Fudd 52

[harrybasset]

I seem to remember that the now defunct? Indigo organisation, who were developing a Canadair Argus, also showed a Tracer as one of their projects. They did say they would come back this year but I can't find any more about them.

[aeromed202]

Not only the WF-2, but what about the E-2C? The one or two freewares out there are kind of lacking. I asked a long time ago if anyone had that on their to-do list but no one had. I don't even think there are any payware ones either other than the ones with Abacus Flight Deck software, and even those look a bit odd. I just can't believe these work horses have been so ignored.

[TARPSBird]

aeromed202,
After you posted I went browsing at Flightsim.com and came up with a FS2004 E-2C by Pierre Marchadier, file name gme2hwk.zip. It comes in two versions (4-blade or 8-blade props), is Gmax and a bit more state-of-the-art than Rick Sasala's FS2002 design, you may want to check it out if you haven't already. I adjusted the .cfg file to use the USN textures with the 8-blade model but I'd want to repaint it and Pierre provides a paint kit texture folder for that.
And yes, the so-called "support" aircraft (AEW, ECM, photo, tanker, COD) don't get as much coverage in flight sim as the fighter and attack types.

[AndyG43]

It's also worth noting that Rick Sasala kindly uploaded his GMAX source files for both the Hawkeye AND the Greyhound to Free Flight Design, so they are available for anybody to take them up to the next level if they have the skill & the inclination.

[Felixthreeone]

There is definitely a hole in FS9 aircraft that needs to be filled by a GOOD E-2C. One with a good VC, soundset, etc...Iris was working on one for a while, but soon after went FSX only in development. I heard that RAZBAM had picked up the project, but again for FSX only. I have had every freeware one made, and even a beta one from Iris. But, unfortunately, I am still waiting and will probably never see a new E-2. :banghead:

[franzi]

This where a nice Project for Mr. Milton Shupe????:salute:

Franzi LOWG

[hawkeye52]

...a FS2004 E-2C by Pierre Marchadier, file name gme2hwk.zip. It comes in two versions (4-blade or 8-blade props)...

I don't want to appear ungrateful to the model designer, but the gme2hwk aircraft contain some major inaccuracies. The three most noticeable are that the fuselage port & starboard sides are interchanged aft of the wing leading edge and the crew entry hatch is shown forward of the propeller arc. That hatch position is OK for the C-2A, but on the Hawkeye it is amidship, under the port wing. The port engine has incorrect rotation, altho' the prop pitch is correct for the rotation shown, so it is NOT a simple matter of changing the rotation.

And yes, the USN version needs a repaint as the "light gull gray" is 'way too dark.

Rick's Hawkeye is closer to the real thing, but it too has the crew entry hatch forward of the propeller arc. And the wing-fold geometry is far off the mark.

Both authors' Hawkeyes feature simple 2-D panels.

So as Felixthreeone has stated, "There is definitely a hole in FS9 aircraft that needs to be filled by a GOOD E-2C. One with a good VC, soundset, etc..." :salute:

- H52

[airattackimages]

I wish a nice payware one would be released. Apparently there were a few projects out there and going, but none have ever seen the light of day. It's a real bummer, because I'd gladly get in line to pay for one.

I've done some tweaks to gme2hwk, had a friend make a paint for it from a photo I gave him of a VAW-125 Tigertails bird. Definitely made it usable for me, I enjoy flying it now with an actual scheme on it. He had some difficulty doing it because the nose of the aircraft apparently is sectioned into a dozen pieces, and some of them stretch the texture like a balloon. Overall I'm pleased with the new paint.

The other mod I did was increase the roll rate, which was excruciatingly slow and not up to par with the real capability of the E-2. I also think it doesn't have a realistic cruise speed, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to tweak on that one. :)

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[Milton Shupe]

Personally I like the E1-B better from a general looks and operational standpoint. Those round engines look sweet too. :)

I downloaded the E-2C and found some issues with the FM too. Contact points area had some issues (pitch, height, one main longer than the other). If you are interested:

[contact_points]
static_pitch = 2
static_cg_height = 5.0
tailwheel_lock = 0
gear_system_type = 1
max_number_of_points = 5


point.0 = 1, 20.5, 0, -5.8, 1181, 0, 1, 39.9, 0.296, 1.5, 0.9516, 4.8, 4.8, 0, 184, 184
point.1 = 1, -1.67, -10.2, -5.5, 1574, 1, 1.5, 0, 0.642, 2.5, 0.8152, 4.5, 5.2, 2, 184, 184
point.2 = 1, -1.67, 10.2, -5.5, 1574, 2, 1.5, 0, 0.642, 2.5, 0.8152, 4.8, 4.9, 3, 184, 184
point.3 = 2, -22.67, 0, 0.00, 787, 0, 0.000, 0.0, 0.000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 9, 0.0, 0.0
point.4 = 2, 23.08, 0, -1.50, 787, 0, 0.000, 0.0, 0.000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 4, 0.0, 0.0

Also found the engines were not properly located, so I changed the parameters as follows:

[GeneralEngineData]

//0=Piston, 1=Jet, 2=None, 3=Helo-Turbine, 4=Rocket, 5=Turboprop
engine_type = 5
fuel_flow_scalar = 1.0
min_throttle_limit = -0.25
engine.0 = 8.3, -10.2, 0.5
engine.1 = 8.3, 10.2, 0.5

The CoG was off so I corrected this way to bring it forward from 35% MAC to 26%:

wing_pos_apex_lon = 1.6 //2.1

Increased the TAS to 304 knots/350MPH ground speed at 15000 feet (not sure about the altitude at which this should be tested).

Other minor changes I do not recall now.

If you want the air and cfg files, I will post them.

She seems to fly very controllably but I am not familiar with her flight characteristics so I did not change roll, pitch, drag, yaw, or lift parameters.

[hawkeye52]

....If you want the air and cfg files, I will post them....

Speaking strictly for moi, ABSOLUTELY!!! :jump::applause::salute:

PS: I assume you are referring to gme2hwk.

- h52

[Milton Shupe]

Yes, so give these a try. Feel free to comment. If I can improve this with someone's knowledge of the RW dynamics, I will try that. I have no real specs other than basic performance numbers. Interestingly, I thought the roll rate was believable considering the size of that "air foil" on top. :)

[Milton Shupe]

Has anyone tried doing serious data collection on the Grumman E-1B Tracer. A really nice 3-view would be encouragement for this aircraft getting built. Second to that would be good quality interior and cockpit pictures. If someone has those kinds of resources, I would consider this as an SOH project.

[franzi]

Hi Milton,

Here is a link to a Special Trackersite http://www.s2ftracker.com/usatracers.htm


Here is a 3-view

Franz LOWG

[mgr]

Hiya Milton,


Has anyone tried doing serious data collection on the Grumman E-1B Tracer. A really nice 3-view would be encouragement for this aircraft getting built. Second to that would be good quality interior and cockpit pictures. If someone has those kinds of resources, I would consider this as an SOH project.

You would make my day if you build a tracker :salute: Already have my Karel Doorman carrier ready for it. Got some cockpit shots, will send when i'm home.

Regards,

Marcel

[franzi]

And here Specifications, but only for the Grumman S-2 Tracker





Grumman S-2 Tracker
Prototype first flight on 4 December 1952.
Entered service in February 1954.

Specifications
Crew: four (two pilots, two detection systems operators)
Length: 43 ft 6 in (13.26 m)
Wingspan: 72 ft 7 in (22.12 m)
Height: 17 ft 6 in (5.33 m)
Wing area: 485 ft² (45.06 m²)
Empty weight: 18,315 lb (8,310 kg)
Loaded weight: 23,435 lb (10,630 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 26,147 lb (11,860 kg)
Powerplant: 2× Wright R-1820-82WA radial engines, 1,525 hp (kW) each
Maximum speed: 280 mph (450 km/h) at sea level
Cruise speed: 150 mph (240 km/h)
Range: 1,350 mi (2,170 km) or 9 hours endurance
Service ceiling: 22,000 ft (6,700 m)
Armament: 2× homing torpedoes, depth charges, or mines in the bomb bay;
6× underwing hardpoints for torpedoes, depth charges, or
rockets



Franz LOWG

[Rep]

Hello gentlemen,

I will look at my 3d files in the next week in order to update the plane.
Any input, data on mistakes I 've done are welcome. If you have pictures, It's great.
I work on the C2 model too, and I did a simple VC too.

Cheers
Pierre

[Milton Shupe]

Thank you Franz; that's a good start. :jump:

[Milton Shupe]

Hiya Milton,



You would make my day if you build a tracker :salute: Already have my Karel Doorman carrier ready for it. Got some cockpit shots, will send when i'm home.

Regards,

Marcel

Hello Marcel, thank you for sharing ... sounds great :jump:

[Milton Shupe]

Hello gentlemen,

I will look at my 3d files in the next week in order to update the plane.
Any input, data on mistakes I 've done are welcome. If you have pictures, It's great.
I work on the C2 model too, and I did a simple VC too.

Cheers
Pierre

Hello Pierre, I look forward to seeing that; thank you. :wavey:

[Rep]

Hi Milton,

thank you for your message, and many thanks for all your models ! they are just piece of art !

Cheers from cold Paris
Pierre

[Volker Böhme]

Hi,

if you want to include a radar system, you might want to take a look at the EC-121 radar upgrade for Manfred Jahn's Warning Star. FS9 only, but there are FSX radars out there as well.

Best regards,
Volker

[mgr]

Hello Marcel, thank you for sharing ... sounds great :jump:

Milton, check you PM, also found a S-2 manual, which i forgot, found it ages ago somewere on the web. :icon_lol:

[Milton Shupe]

Hi,

if you want to include a radar system, you might want to take a look at the EC-121 radar upgrade for Manfred Jahn's Warning Star. FS9 only, but there are FSX radars out there as well.

Best regards,
Volker

Hi Volker, interesting, we may want to look at that down the road.

For now, we will see if there is enough good data, 3-views, and cockpit pictures to warrant starting this project. I will once again volunteer to take the lead on the exterior modeling. If we can get someone for the VC, sounds, and textures, then we may have a project. :wiggle:

[Milton Shupe]

Milton, check you PM, also found a S-2 manual, which i forgot, found it ages ago somewere on the web. :icon_lol:

Thank you Mgr; I look forward to browsing through that. :jump:

[hawkeye52]

A really nice 3-view would be encouragement for this aircraft getting built. Second to that would be good quality interior and cockpit pictures. If someone has those kinds of resources, I would consider this as an SOH project.

I have all that stuff, but only for the E-2A...the ORIGINAL Super Fudd. :icon_lol:

- h52

[Milton Shupe]

I have all that stuff, but only for the E-2A...the ORIGINAL Super Fudd. :icon_lol:

- h52

Hawkeye52, that is great to have and maybe someone will jump on that.

I am willing, when time permits, to do the E1-B, or the C-1, or the S2-F, but I have 3 projects going now so either one will be a while getting started. And, I would still prefer 3-views with cross-sections for a more accurately shaped fuselage.

[Willy]

C-1 Trader? Be still my heart. I do love COD flights.

I got a ride in the USS Lexington's C-1 Trader just before they retired it. It's now in the Naval Aviation Museum at Pensacola.

[aeromed202]

The puter is still MIA but it's great to see the interest here. Never heard of any E-2s other than Flight Deck' and Rick's so I'll give that other one a try whenever I get up and running again. BTW, thought there was a super sound set that came with an ATR turboprop just before my stuff crashed. I'll try to find that too, and if the author has no objections we may have sounds ready in the wings.


What are these little dots that drift through my words??? Must be near Christmas.:jump:

[hawkeye52]

Milton, I may have a 3-view with sections for the S2F-3 (S-2E). Gimme a couple of days to look for it.

- h52

[Milton Shupe]

The puter is still MIA but it's great to see the interest here. Never heard of any E-2s other than Flight Deck' and Rick's so I'll give that other one a try whenever I get up and running again. BTW, thought there was a super sound set that came with an ATR turboprop just before my stuff crashed. I'll try to find that too, and if the author has no objections we may have sounds ready in the wings.


What are these little dots that drift through my words??? Must be near Christmas.:jump:

That sounds great aeromed202 :applause:

[Milton Shupe]

Milton, I may have a 3-view with sections for the S2F-3 (S-2E). Gimme a couple of days to look for it.

- h52

Oh man! That would be awesome :jump:

[mgr]

Found this one on the web, not very high resolution:
http://www.collectair.com/images/s2f1wj.jpg

http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/modernplanes/grumman/grumman_s_2e_tracker-18317.jpg

This one is, but cutaway -> http://www.lesavions.net/focus/grumman%20s2%20tracker/grumman%20s2%20tracker%20ecorche.jpg

Some nice details
-> http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html
-> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637169
-> http://jproc.ca/rrp/rrp3/tracker_interior_features.html

Some high res cockpit shots:
-> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3356/3189129424_a64bd90569_o.jpg
-> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/3188284095_4b2b95f211_o.jpg

[Milton Shupe]

WOW! Now we're talking :jump: We are getting somewhere now with details; very nice Mgr ... this will be most helpful. {{{ Running over to shake your hand }}} :applause:

[expat]

THIS is an exciting development!!

[Richard Westcott]

Some nice links, here the tracker is a fantatic aircraft, I have found some other links but they replicate what has already been posted.

Here is a nice cockpit photo though, I am not sure if the red upholstery is original!

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/7/0/0321073.jpg

[Richard Westcott]

Found this too.

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[Milton Shupe]

Thank you Richard; that is very helpful. :applause:

[Willy]

Milton, you do realize that if you do a C-1 Trader, I'll have to bring my paint brushes out of retirement.

[Milton Shupe]

Before this, I was not familiar with these aircraft. I am studying the differences and hopefully, if we do this project (meaning SOH Team-anyone wanting to contribute), I would like to do the C-1A, the S2F-3, and E1-B, simple variants, but not all. It's more complicated and too much like a career to do all of them. Major differences are the fuselage length, the tail, wing tips, and belly bulge, I think. :wiggle:

[Stratobat]

The VS-21 at NAS Oakland and Bicentennial markings look interesting :cool:

Regards,
Stratobat

[hawkeye52]

I found the drawings for the S2F-3 but I see you already have some. I have similar drawings for the Willie Fudd and I have attached a couple of preview scans so you can see if they are what you need. The drawing itself is 14" x 18½". - H52

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[Milton Shupe]

I found the drawings for the S2F-3 but I see you already have some. I have similar drawings for the Willie Fudd and I have attached a couple of preview scans so you can see if they are what you need. The drawing itself is 14" x 18½". - H52

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I would love to have your drawings h52, they are good quality and size. Thank you so much. :jump:

[hawkeye52]

MS, PM me a mailing address.

-H52

[Milton Shupe]

Milton, you do realize that if you do a C-1 Trader, I'll have to bring my paint brushes out of retirement.

Really? {{{{{ snicker }}}} You might wanna start looking for them ....

[Milton Shupe]

Appears to be landing configuration but why are all the radio/radar "appendages" extended? Is this just for a photo shoot to show its stuff?

[Richard Westcott]

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Some nice close up shots, looks like a conversion of tracer to trader.

http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/QuonsetAirMuseum/GrummanC1ATrader/index.htm

Another nice shot

http://www.flickr.com/photos/95172890@N00/3943276360/

A Jamming EC1A Trader?

http://www.modellversium.de/kit/bilder/5/0/6/506-deckel.jpg

Apologies if some of the info is duplicated on previous posts

[CP1207]

If you need any specific shots, I can take pics of this bird...

https://sites.google.com/a/mapsairmuseum.org/s2-f/

[Milton Shupe]

25778

Some nice close up shots, looks like a conversion of tracer to trader.

http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/QuonsetAirMuseum/GrummanC1ATrader/index.htm

Another nice shot

http://www.flickr.com/photos/95172890@N00/3943276360/

A Jamming EC1A Trader?

http://www.modellversium.de/kit/bilder/5/0/6/506-deckel.jpg

Apologies if some of the info is duplicated on previous posts

Thank you Richard; these are always helpful. Great stuff! :wavey:


If you need any specific shots, I can take pics of this bird...

https://sites.google.com/a/mapsairmuseum.org/s2-f/

I appreciate your offer and your efforts; thank you sir :applause:

[Richard Westcott]

Explain This Picture ???

It looks like an airshow photo to me, most airshows I have been to in the UK aircraft will do low and slow passes with everything hanging down!

[Milton Shupe]

It looks like an airshow photo to me, most airshows I have been to in the UK aircraft will do low and slow passes with everything hanging down!

Well, that would certainly explain it. Thanks :wavey:

[Daveroo]

ok..i admit i hadnt looked at the whole thread as its in the FS9 area,but will you make this a portover to FSX aswell? and im assuming yer only making the "round engine" version...but any chance you can include the old california department of forestry and fire fighting CDF versions?...i love the S2T.....but those old radials are still in my ears...first the F7F memories and then the S2F and now the S2T in real life....i love it here....we even had B17s and a P61 for awhile

[Milton Shupe]

ok..i admit i hadnt looked at the whole thread as its in the FS9 area,but will you make this a portover to FSX aswell? and im assuming yer only making the "round engine" version...but any chance you can include the old california department of forestry and fire fighting CDF versions?...i love the S2T.....but those old radials are still in my ears...first the F7F memories and then the S2F and now the S2T in real life....i love it here....we even had B17s and a P61 for awhile

Anything I do will work as a port over in FSX. If I do this, then you will have a port over available. As to the "T" version added to the list of C1, S2F, and E1-B, that's asking for alot as alot of changes including the nacelles, props, and all new flight model would be required. :kilroy:

Whatever I do (if anything), I will make the gmax source available to anyone who wants it. :wiggle:

[jinx]

Very interesting thread. I did not know about that Fudd and will get it soon. The Hawkeye information is also useful.

Many thanks

[mgr]

Hi Milton,


Appears to be landing configuration but why are all the radio/radar "appendages" extended? Is this just for a photo shoot to show its stuff?

That photo's was from me, it's indeed a show-off photo, thought it would be handy for you.

Photo's is indeed probably taken a airshow or flyby of some sort, it's not the normal approach configuration.

BTW hope you make the "dutch" version with the radar on top of the cockpit.

Some reference and details shot, site is in Dutch so some descriptions:

Launch prep:
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/katapultstart_s-2a_deel_1.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/katapultstart_s-2a_deel_2.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/katapultstart_s-2a_deel_3.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/katapultstart_s-2a_deel_4.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/katapultstart_s-2a_deel_5.html

Recovery, also shows some approach speeds:
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/landing_s-2a__1_.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/landing_s-2a__2_.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/landing_s-2a__3_.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/landing_s-2a__4_.html

Some more details:
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/grumman_tracker_160__1_.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/grumman_tracker_160__2_.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/grumman_tracker_160__3_.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/grumman_tracker_160__4_.html
http://www.vlaggeschipsmaldeel5.nl/html/tacan.html

If you deed any specific text translated just give a PM.

Kind regards,

Marcel

PS
The Karel Doormand is already ready :wavey: -> http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004scen&DLID=120926

[Milton Shupe]

Marcel, thank you for the research. As usual, you keep providing excellent details. :jump:

[Daveroo]

Anything I do will work as a port over in FSX. If I do this, then you will have a port over available. As to the "T" version added to the list of C1, S2F, and E1-B, that's asking for alot as alot of changes including the nacelles, props, and all new flight model would be required. :kilroy:

Whatever I do (if anything), I will make the gmax source available to anyone who wants it. :wiggle:

no no milton...love ya ...but i ment the radial powered version of the s2 tanker..they were this god awfull green color,like the high vis lime green fire engines or something....im colorblind so i really dont know what it was....it was ugly though cdf tankers of the 80s-early 90s....

edit....they were S2A's and used until the S2T was brought online

[Milton Shupe]

no no milton...love ya ...but i ment the radial powered version of the s2 tanker..they were this god awfull green color,like the high vis lime green fire engines or something....im colorblind so i really dont know what it was....it was ugly though cdf tankers of the 80s-early 90s....

edit....they were S2A's and used until the S2T was brought online

I would think that that a slightly modified C-1A or S2F-3 would work for that; same fuselage length, wings, and tail configuration as best as I know right now. Someone else might be able to help with the differences. Depends on which S2F-3 we may do. One has the straight belly lines, the C-1A has the bulged belly lines. There were at least 5 different nacelle tails used. The attachment shows the S-2A hawk? nacelle tail whereas your picture shows the later mod.

[Milton Shupe]

Daveroo,

That also may be the TS-2A as shown here

[Daveroo]

Daveroo,

That also may be the TS-2A as shown here


well Milton..this shows my knowlage......HUH?....lol......if you are saying its a differant airframe and cant be done...well shoot but im good with that....if it can be done weeeeee....

im simple minded and easy to please...and to be honest...besides the numbers on those plates you posted...i can see the belly differances..but not much else....:jump:

[Milton Shupe]

I am certain that, if we do this, we can do something to please you sir.

[Daveroo]

I am certain that, if we do this, we can do something to please you sir.
well like i say..i really dont know the differances in the airframes...if its not what you are building..then its not do-able ..if it is..well then cool....:jump:

[Milton Shupe]

Just to clarify things for everyone, I hope to be able to do the exterior model of the E-1B, and would like to do the C-1A as well. (Note there are major difference in fuselage and empennage between these aircraft). However, at this point I am not committing to do anything other than research and data collection as I have 3 projects going right now. Not sure when I could get started if I do this but all this research is helping me or anyone who wants to jump into the fray and work on this neat project. I am excited about it. It would be great if the rumored payware project would come out; save a lot of work if someone has one well along.

With that said, if I do any of this, my intent would be to do the E-1B first, then possibly do the C-1A. Depending on how things go, it would be neat to do a S2F of some variant, I am thinking a -3 but that might change. If a -3 is done, then the TS-2A would easily be possible.

Let's keep collecting the information. Pilot reports would be nice, a POH or other manual with more details would be great. All in all, this is good stuff and fun to do; that's what this is all about, yes? :jump:

Once I get this AT-11 out the door, and get the Dash 7 back on the burner, then I think I can look at this more seriously. I can work on the XP47J concurrently, in its VC construction stage.

At this point, it is hard to make commitments on specific variants. There may be good reasons to do certain S2F's but not sure yet what the real history is on them, ... most built/utilized.

Thanks for all the efforts and enthusiasm. :applause:

[Richard Westcott]

A copy of the flight handbook is available here....

http://www.avsimrus.com/f/documents-16/grumman-s2f-tracker-flight-handbook-32918.html

All the best

[Milton Shupe]

Ah, thank you Richard :jump:

[hawkeye52]

Milton, here is a pic I took at the Pima Air Museum in March, 2008. It provides a view unlike any other I've seen so far, of the E-1B's under-radome supports.

- h52

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[Milton Shupe]

Thanks h52 :)

One can't have enough reference pictures of all angles when the "real McCoy" isn't available to you. I have roughly 460 pictures collected now of the variants, and some excellent very large hi-quality shots, up close and personal.

Would still like to have a POH for the E-1B and the C-1A. I have the S2F-1 and -2 manual, but not the -3 which is quite different in the cockpit.

[AJ-2P]

I found a couple more of links with good shots of the C-1

www.gonavy.jp/bbs1/index.cgi?page:125=v (http://www.gonavy.jp/bbs1/index.cgi?page:125=v)

http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/29767

[TARPSBird]

AJ-2P, nice C-1 shots from the Korean website. Interesting "scalloped" edge on the underside white paint. Not exactly standard procedure, must be a VRC-40 thing. BTW, your forum name brings up another obscure USN bird I'd like to see some day. I like the "Mickey Mouse" looking nose on the photo version of the AJ. :)

[Milton Shupe]

Great shots! Thank you :)

[Ferry_vO]

There are at least two S2-F's not too far from my home, so if you need photos let me know!

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Vliegtuigen/IMG_0386.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Ferror/Vliegtuigen/IMG_3077.jpg

[Willy]

Here's the C-1 Trader that I rode in. It's now in the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola. Note the Bicentennial paint scheme

[Milton Shupe]

Great shots Ferry. I have several hundred reference pictures now, maybe 100 up close and personal shots of every part of the aircraft so until this gets started, I will not know. The shots that are always lacking are good interior shots, left and right side cockpit shots, the wall sides (i.e what's beside the pilot/co-pilot on the walls, ceiling, behind overhead). Thanks

[Ferry_vO]

Interior shots will be a bit harder to obtain, especially since it's very hard to photograph the interior from the outside due to the Spherical side windows (There used to be a stair next to the Marine 'Stoof' (S2F) but people kept banging their heads on the plexiglass. :icon_lol:)

[Milton Shupe]

Understandable for any museum piece ... not to worry, there is a long time to pass before such pictures will be needed, and maybe not even by me. :-) It would be great if someone did this as payware to get a really hi-quality unit. We will give them 4 months, then I will start it if no one else does.

[AJ-2P]

AJ-2P, nice C-1 shots from the Korean website. Interesting "scalloped" edge on the underside white paint. Not exactly standard procedure, must be a VRC-40 thing. BTW, your forum name brings up another obscure USN bird I'd like to see some day. I like the "Mickey Mouse" looking nose on the photo version of the AJ. :)
The Savage has always been a favorite of mine. I can remember seeing a couple rows of AJ-2s and -2ps along with lots of trackers at NAF Litchfield Pk in the early 60s. I would love to help with any one of these projects. But, I am still pretty new at this.

[Cag40Navy]

Now seeing this thread, i will help out as much as i can with the E-1B considering its one of my absolute favorite birds!

[AJ-2P]

Another link to some E-1B photos

www.gonavy.jp/bbs1/index.cgi?page:120=v (http://www.gonavy.jp/bbs1/index.cgi?page:120=v)

[Milton Shupe]

Yes sir; more great shots. Thanks :jump:

Here is one thing to always look out for: The hardest good shots to find show the top of the aircraft as you might see at an aircraft show in a 90 degree bank. A good view of the top really helps me and the texture artists.

[mgr]

Hiya Mliton,


Yes sir; more great shots. Thanks :jump:
Here is one thing to always look out for: The hardest good shots to find show the top of the aircraft as you might see at an aircraft show in a 90 degree bank. A good view of the top really helps me and the texture artists.

Did some searching, don't know or these are useful:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Grumman_E-1B_from_above.jpg

Model: http://hyperscale.com/features/2002/tracerfr_1.htm
Some-views: http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2010/11/trader-and-tracer.html
http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/grumman-e-1b-tracer/view/?service=1

Marcel