Bf108 gauge artwork

[Mathias]

The round instruments of the historically restored D-IBFW are complete.
Since each of those aged uniquely over the past 60+ years there isn't much that could have been cross-shared, artwork-wise so the whole mess took longer than expected, but we're getting there.:jump:


http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_gauges_09.jpg
Hi Res image:
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_gauges_09.jpg

[James]

Awesome! I've been searching for an FSX-native Bf-108 for a while now, and haven't been able to find one. It's great to hear that there's one on the drawing board. :salute:

[2Low]

Superb as usual Mathias, really looking forward to this one. Thanks for the update.

[dswo]

Elegant, as always.

[Cleartheprop]

Exceptionnal. Looking forward to this masterpiece.

[thunder100]

WOW Matthias

Roland

[Roger]

Fabulous!

[mike_cyul]

Extreeeeemly nice!:ernae:

Mike

[Ferry_vO]

Great work as usual, Mathias. Really looking forward to the end result!

[Tim-HH]

Yes, very impressive! :applause:

Greetings
Tim

[sky pilot]

:jump:
The round instruments of the historically restored D-IBFW are complete.
Since each of those aged uniquely over the past 60+ years there isn't much that could have been cross-shared, artwork-wise so the whole mess took longer than expected, but we're getting there.:jump:


http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_gauges_09.jpg
Hi Res image:
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_gauges_09.jpg

[SADT]

I feel as if I could reach out and touch them!

The magnetic compass looks amazing!

[jankees]

wow, stunning stuff Mathias!

[huub vink]

Great work especially the dynamic reflections in the glass!

Cheers,
Huub

[Mathias]

Thanks guys!
We keep tinkering away. :-)
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_gauges_13.jpg

[James]

ooooooohhh. ME WANT. looking great, Mathias!

[Oelwanne]

That will be one of my Christmas Gifts (hopefully together with A2A´s accusimed P-51)!!
Great Job Mathias :salute:

[Mathias]

Completed main panel instruments render

(direct hires link)

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_gauges_18.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_gauges_18.jpg

[OleBoy]

Great job :ernae:

[doublecool]

I am really looking forward to this release :jump:

[N2056]

I have a pretty good understanding of just how much effort goes into art like this...

:salute:

[lucas81]

Fantastic research and done with great precision, Mathias! Congratulations! Your work may serve as a reference material in books.

[olderndirt]

This reminds me a little of training the 'Pavlovian Dog'. Mathias your setup has been brilliant - don't know when you're planning to let the ball drop but, rest assured, I bought this Taifun many months ago.

[Mathias]

Thanks much, guys!

Lukasz, this is an exact replica of the privately owned and historically restored D-IBFW that's flying in Bad Nauheim/Germany.
You can spot a few differences over the historical original, for instance the manifold pressure gauge is of a later war fighter variant, the airspeed indicator is of swiss origin, the clock needles and kohlsman knob have been replaced with newer items, the prop pitch lever is a replica. :-)

[YoYo]

Mathias, is this only artwork or You works for rest of model (FSX)? I think Tajfun is good choise.

[Mathias]

Mathias, is this only artwork or You works for rest of model (FSX)? I think Tajfun is good choise.

YoYo, that's the high poli cages that'll be used to render2texture on to the low poli geometry.
If you followed our Fw190 developement back then you'll know that there won't be much noticeable difference in the final FS outcome.
Hard-edged shadows from the above render will be replaced with an ambient occlusion layer and the glass reflections will be FS-standard.
The 3d pros will spot a few differences in the very fine details such as screwslots and the like which will be baked into the texture rather than using 3d geometry, but the casual user will not see a difference thanks to some serious CGI voodoo.:bump::engel016:

[stiz]

still say you should go all out and keep adding stuff till you break the exporter! :icon_lol:

[DX-FMJ]

Mathias, is this only artwork or You works for rest of model (FSX)? I think Tajfun is good choise.

I think he's wondering, is this just artwork that shows how the gauges will look, or are these 3d models, and I think hes wondering about the rest of the plane model?

Atleast that's what I think he means.

[YoYo]

I think he's wondering, is this just artwork that shows how the gauges will look, or are these 3d models, and I think hes wondering about the rest of the plane model?

Atleast that's what I think he means.

Yes, right :) and thx for explanations.
Id like to see good model of Bf-108 in FSX, always developers forget about this plane.

[Mathias]

Ah, ok. Well, it's FSX 3d artwork. :-)

WIP exterior shots:

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_FSX_06.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_FSX_07.jpg

[huub vink]

Very nice Mathias, but you need to hurry as I told my wife I want it for Christmas!

;) Cheers,
Huub

[lucas81]

Ooo! Fantastic bird! I cannot wait for her.
PS: Thanks for the explanation about instruments, Mathias.

[Mathias]

That's actual game mesh and textures, except the panel plate which still needs a texture.

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_panel_07.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_panel_07.jpg

[stiz]

fantastic! :jump: :jump:

[doublecool]

Sweet :salute: really looking forward to this release :wiggle:

[YoYo]

Cant wait for FSX model :) ! :salute:
Good work again!

[Cag40Navy]

If i may ask, is there ANY possibility of doing the Nightfighter variant??

[Cees Donker]

If i may ask, is there ANY possibility of doing the Nightfighter variant??

I didn't know it was used as a nightfighter?

Cees

[pilottj]

Mathias it looks absolutely beautiful, as another poster said, Ive already bought this one too hahah :) it is on the must get list. It would be very cool to park this next to Bill's Epic or the Orbix Lancair, all cutting edge aircraft of their times.

Is the large crank in the middle the propellor control? I seem to remember it from Gunter Kraemer's 108 for FS04

Cheers
TJ

[Doering]

They are spectacular!

[big-mike]

Hallo Mathias,
das sieht aus wie ein Originalbrett!
Ich habe die Fw190A--early und late von Dir,
aber diese Shots sind unglaublich!
Kann es gar nicht abwarten,diesen Vogel
auf die Platte zu kriegen.
Gruss
Micha

[Ferry_vO]

I didn't know it was used as a nightfighter?

Perhaps in some obscure German movie doubling as a warbird? :icon_lol:

Seriously though: It looks fantastic! :applause::jump:

[OleBoy]

Excellent work Mathias! Without a doubt you know your way around model design.
....I look forward to seeing your work in the Milvis Stuka.

Thanks for sharing!

[Mathias]

Thanks a lot guys!


If i may ask, is there ANY possibility of doing the Nightfighter variant??

Don't know about a nightfighter version. They put some Panzerfäuste under the wings and used it as a ground attack aircraft towards the final days of the war though.
Whatever, we're not doing military versions but two currently flying planes, one each with (almost) historical instruments and with imperial (steam) gauges.


Is the large crank in the middle the propellor control?

Yep TJ, that's the prop pitch lever.

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_panel_09.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_panel_09.jpg

[Cag40Navy]

Sorry for my mix up, i thought ti was the BF110 thread.... Sorry!

[Mathias]

Little bit more cockpit stuff.

(hires image)
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_panel_13.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_panel_13.jpg

[stiz]

hubba hubba! :jump:

now .. hows about an FSX shot? :bump:

[Mathias]

hubba hubba! :jump:

now .. hows about an FSX shot? :bump:

Next week, stiz, once the canopy is in the game.
The panel and gauges you're looking at are allready the actual game mesh and textures and look pretty much the same in the sim. AA may differ depending on your local settings.

[sim-paticissimo]

It's fantastic! Very detailed and realistic, I need it! As soon as possible! Bravo Mathias.

[OleBoy]

Mathias, your work is simply (no pun meant) a jaw dropping, WOW!! :salute:

[CHBTheDoctor]

Menno Mathias, jetzt hab' ich mir die ganze Tastatur vollgesabbert :applause:...
...der Vogel ist gekauft !

[Akatsuki]

Really impressive, can't wait to get my virtual hands on her!:jump:

[Mathias]

now .. hows about an FSX shot? :bump:

Here's two.
As always until further notice, this is WIP, not everything shown in the screenshots is finished and some items are subject of changes.

hires image
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_01.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_01.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_02.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_02.jpg

[OleBoy]

OMG :jawdrop:

I salute your work. VERY NICE :salute:

[stiz]

that looks fantastic! :applause: :applause: :applause:

[doublecool]

Wow, this is going to be another Classic addon. Really looking forward to it :jump:

[huub vink]

The external model is not even close to ready, but already a joy for the eye!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Taifun2-2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Taifun2-4.jpg

I know I'm a privileged man.....

Huub

[sky pilot]

Wow, this is going to be another Classic addon. Really looking forward to it :jump:
Dito to all

[sky pilot]

The external model is not even close to ready, but already a joy for the eye!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Taifun2-2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Taifun2-4.jpg

I know I'm a privileged man.....

HuubI need this!:jump::jump::jump::jump:

[OleBoy]

Huub please. Stop teasing and show use some real close-ups. I don't care if the interior is done or not. More more!!

[CodyValkyrie]

Looking beautiful mate!

[vora]

Wow, Mathias has really an artful hand when it comes to baking textures... those surfaces look incredibly realistic.

Just one suggestion: the "wear and tear" of the instrument board is too subtle IMHO. Dirty it up some more. Our club airplanes look this "factory-fresh" for four weeks at best. :icon_lol:

[Mathias]

Thanks for the suggestions vora, but no, won't happen.
There's quite a lot of scratches and dirt allready in,
on those screenshots probably somewhat toned down by those parts that did not yet receive weathering.
Believe me, it really comes together once you sit in the plane and throw her around a bit and watch the light playing with the surfaces.

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_03.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_03.jpg

[Mr.Mugel]

Pretty nice work! And a sweet plane, too!

Got your FW-190 bundle as a christmas competition freebie from Aerosoft and I am really impressed, the sounds, system modelling is great, too, engine just doesn´t get up on every try, and one has to keep the MAP in sight, or it will have a sudden end! And the visual quality is just stunning, too!

[huub vink]

As said before; the model is not even near to finished and most of the textures are 'just to give the model some colour'. But I think it gives an idea of what the finished model will look like....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Taifun2-6.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Huub_Vink/Taifun2-5.jpg

Cheers,
Huub

[italoc]

Huub, splendid !!!!!:jump::jump:
I'll wait patiently the final result with great expectation !!!
Italo

[huub vink]

Huub, splendid !!!!!:jump::jump:
I'll wait patiently the final result with great expectation !!!
Italo

I haven't contributed much to this model. Model by Mathias Pommerien and textures by Alessandro Biaggi. I'm just a humble alpha & beta tester and just made the screenshots

Cheers,
Huub

[Helldiver]

We had a captured Bf 109 at NAS Jacksonville. The workmanship was impeccable, The mounting bolts had a Strassenschmuck on each one of them with a "Dutchman" or another screw intersecting the main bolt as a safety. There were no shortcuts taken even though it was late in the war.
I wish I could remember the placement but it was 66 years ago.

[OleBoy]

Thanks for the shot Huub. If the modeling is as good as the interior, I'll have no choice but to try to buy it. I've had the freeware FS9 Taifun By Guenter Kraemer for a while. I enjoy it but it's very dated.

I'm looking forward to seeing this one get released :)

[Mathias]

Another render from within the design proggy.
Not a lot missing now, mainly sticks, gear lever, fuel tank switch, some bolts and rivets and some wear and tear.:wiggle:


http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_cockpit_10.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_cockpit_10.jpg

[W. Bleddyn]

That looks incredible. Can't wait!
:salute:

[lucas81]

Sold!
Just can't wait. I am really looking forward to fly this beauty.
Thanks for sharing the renders,
Lucas

[Wild Bill Kelso]

We had a captured Bf 109 at NAS Jacksonville. The workmanship was impeccable... There were no shortcuts taken even though it was late in the war.

That's why our ancestors didn't win the war:
Their aircraft simply were too sophisticated... ;)

Kidding aside:
That's a very impressive work of art emerging, Mathias!
The Taifun beyond any doubt is a beautiful and groundbreaking aeroplane, and I had the pleasure to witness this grace flying at several Berlin Air Shows (D-EBEI "Elly Beinhorn" of Lufthansa Stiftung).
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/search4.cgi?srch=D-EBEI&stype=reg&srng=2

Although my FSX install is quite neglected, I might get indulged to add this special one to my ever growing hangar...

Cheers,
Markus.

[krazycolin]

Actually, there's an interesting parallel here... How much does an F-22 or an F-35 cost? How complex is it to maintain and build? How much does a flanker cost? how complex is IT to maintain and build?

Hmmm, I find it interesting that the Americans have followed the German (a la 1939) method and the Russians have stuck with what they know works...

If I were the Prime Minister of Canada, I would toss the F-35's and buy Su-30MKK's. 1/20th the price per unit, easier to maintain (and build most assuredly) and more than likely, just as deadly... especially if you count numbers as a quality...

[delta_lima]

The ME-108 - looks superb. The FS9 model was a delight - and this looks no different. Just throwing this pic in because Markis alluded to it earlier - and to say you've chosen a lovely subject, and it'll be work waiting for.

http://www.flugplatzloennewitz.de/frm__Termine/ME-108.png


Well done, Mathias!

dl

[Nick C]

Looking forward to this one too, here's my obligatory photo taken at Duxford last year. :ernae:

31938

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Just some more "nose details", taken at the Berlin Air Show back in 2008:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/EBEI_1.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/EBEI_2.jpg

What a grace!

Cheers,
Markus.

[huub vink]

Nice pictures Markus!

Huub

[Mathias]

Latest and unedited FSX screenshot.
The sticks and the rod just under the canopy still need a texture.
hires image http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_04.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_04.jpg

[lucas81]

I love the detail you put on the seat and vc textures, Mathias (not to mention the instrument panel) Can't wait to fly the Taifun. The effect is exceptional!
Lucas

[stiz]

looking fantastic!

[ZsoltB]

Wonderful! I look forward to! :germany:

Regards,

Zsolt

[doublecool]

Love there little update on the progress :jump::jump: She's gonna be Fun

[Cag40Navy]

I cant wait either! She's going to be lots of fun!

[YoYo]

Do You finish model before IL-2 Cliffs of Dover? It will nice to practice on Tajfun before my Emil :D.
Regards!

[Mathias]

Thanks guys!

Yoyo, don't know, when will CoD come out? Two weeks be sure?:bump:

[stiz]

Thanks guys!

Yoyo, don't know, when will CoD come out? Two weeks be sure?:bump:

march 25th .. so yea .. 2 weeks! :bump:

[Mathias]

Hmm, seatbelts and some cable clutter under the panel and we're done with the cockpit, eh?
Maybe climbing over the seats with the muddy boots once?

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_10.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_10.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_11.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_11.jpg


http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_12.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_12.jpg


http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_13.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_13.jpg

[Ferry_vO]

:jawdrop:


:redfire: I want one! :greenf:

[stiz]

looks stunning! though 1 question, can we change the colour of the trim?? not to struck with the orangey brown and creamy look :)

[Mathias]

looks stunning! though 1 question, can we change the colour of the trim?? not to struck with the orangey brown and creamy look :)

'fraid not, that's just the way she looks.

[stiz]

o well, i just quite like the blue-grey in this one :)

http://www.bredow-web.de/ILA_2008/alte_Flugzeuge/Messerschmitt_Bf_108_Taifun/Messerschmitt_Bf_108-Cockpit.jpg

[flaviossa]

As allways, impressive work Mathias. Waiting for this one too!

[Mathias]

o well, i just quite like the blue-grey in this one :)

http://www.bredow-web.de/ILA_2008/alte_Flugzeuge/Messerschmitt_Bf_108_Taifun/Messerschmitt_Bf_108-Cockpit.jpg

Yes but no, won't happen.
I could re-use just the canopy framing, trim wheels and trim indicator and parts of the pedals.
Everything else is considerably different from our D-IBFW so that we would have to do most stuff from scratch, since we don't do half-arsed stuff that is. Would make it a christmas 2011 release.
Problem with these old survivors is that there are basically no two around that would be even remotely the same.
There is nothing in this world that would justify another year of developement time for this one.
After all it's the Classics Hangar, devoted to old German iron and D-EBEI is a modern plane in an old framework, nothing that really interests me.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

After all it's the Classics Hangar, devoted to old German iron and D-EBEI is a modern plane in an old framework, nothing that really interests me.

That's a consequent statement to be fully respected! :salute:
Although I'm very glad to see real world's EBEI as survivor (with all the tradeoffs to be made in an airworthy vintage plane), your straight policy is something I very much appreciate.

Cheers,
Markus.

[Mathias]

o well, i just quite like the blue-grey in this one :)



Well stiz, you'll get your blue-grey interior, but with the classic instrumentation.:salute:

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_17.jpg

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_18.jpg

[doublecool]

Classic Hangers is OUT STANDING Mathias, Well done :applause::applause::applause:

[Mr.Mugel]

Looks amazing, really nice model of a classy aircraft! Looks very 3 dimensional even in the screenshots! Maybe they will have some at Hahnweide again this year, till now it is D-EBEI listed only...

[OleBoy]

The 108's looking mighty fine Mathias, mighty fine :salute:

[Mathias]

Thanks guys!


.... Looks very 3 dimensional even in the screenshots! ...

Thanks MM. It's all about light, direct light and indirect light, light photon bounces, color bleeding and resulting subtle changes in illumination and coloring throughout the surfaces.
I think there's no one else in our little industry who makes an as extensive use of global illumination rendering technics and procedural shaders as we do.
I'm quite satisfied with the natural look and feel and the subtle shading of the VC.
You just don't get bored by an over-artificial, overly "contrasty" look.
No slap-in-yer-face photoshop effects, just consequently executed physically correct global illumination and shaders.
Aw, I'm beginning to digress.....

[pilottj]

looks absolutely awesome:jump:

Hey Mathias, can you post comparison screenies of the classic vs 'modern' panel? I am curious of the differences :)

CHeers
TJ

[Mathias]

looks absolutely awesome:jump:

Hey Mathias, can you post comparison screenies of the classic vs 'modern' panel? I am curious of the differences :)

CHeers
TJ

TJ, we don't do a modern panel. Only the historically restored panel of D-EBFW will be in the package.
http://www.classics-hangar.de/privat/HERZ1674.JPG
Isn't that ugly? :bump:
http://www.abload.de/img/me_cockpitwnwq.jpg

[pilottj]

nevermind then :) i thought i remember somewhere there were going to be two variants of the panel...all good sir, can't wait for this one.


TJ, we don't do a modern panel. Only the historically restored panel of D-EBFW will be in the package.
http://www.classics-hangar.de/privat/HERZ1674.JPG
Isn't that ugly? :bump:
http://www.abload.de/img/me_cockpitwnwq.jpg

[stiz]

Well stiz, you'll get your blue-grey interior, but with the classic instrumentation.:salute:


looks fantastic :jump: :jump: and i dont care about the panel, cant read any of it anyway! :icon_lol:

[Mathias]

For the guys that need IFR capabilities we do a kind of "what-if-I-want-a-historical-panel-with-modern-functionality" thing.
The "IFR light" panel is basically a mix of the period blind flying variant and the radio compartment of D-ESBH, the Bf108 operated by the Messerschmitt Foundation.

Here's a first draft:

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_ifr_panel_01.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_ifr_panel_01.jpg

[SADT]

Holy Sh!t Mathias!

That looks better incredible!!!! :-D I nearly wet my pants! :salute:

Craig :-)

[doublecool]

:applause::applause::applause: Talk about best Developers

[olderndirt]

Okay Mathias, enough with the teaser stuff already. You can only throw Christians to the Lions for so long before the audience loses their blood lust. This is the back side of your most recent 'absolutely guaranteed by' month.

[OleBoy]

Mathias, my credit card is oh so melting. I think I've read through your post at least two dozen times! I love the lines of this bird. And your work. It's gorgeous!! :applause:

[Mathias]

Okay Mathias, enough with the teaser stuff already. You can only throw Christians to the Lions for so long before the audience loses their blood lust. This is the back side of your most recent 'absolutely guaranteed by' month.

Ok, I'm guilty, I admit it.

http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_xt_06.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_xt_06.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_xt_04.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_xt_04.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_xt_05.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_xt_05.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_xt_03.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_xt_03.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_22.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_22.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_23.jpg
http://www.classics-hangar.de/vorschau/bf108_fsx_vc_23.jpg

[doublecool]

Please...Please...Please :jump::jump::jump:
Say it's so