Vintage scenery in FSX

[delta_lima]

Hello all,

I know that all the good Calclassic Scenery is no longer viable here in FSX ... here is what I have found that does work in FSX:

Key West 1950
Charleston Auxiliary NAS (KALF)
RAF Waddington (1980's - not exactly retro if you're 40, but for the purpose of this thread ...)

Any other sceneries, civil or military, that is set at least 30 or more years from the modern FSX period?

cheers,

[crashaz]

I will be working on some... probably not in the near future though. San Diego and Pearl Harbor in the late 30's and early 40's is my working area.

[Zommoz]

I once got a pretty decent Floyd Bennett Airfield from one of the free sights (Avsim...? Simnetwork...? don't remember). I think it presented the airport as it was in the late thirties.

[delta_lima]

I once got a pretty decent Floyd Bennett Airfield from one of the free sights (Avsim...? Simnetwork...? don't remember). I think it presented the airport as it was in the late thirties.


Hmmm ... found it for fs2002 .. will keep looking.

A couple more I found:

Cardington Airship Base
Rhinebeck Aerodrome

Let's keep them rolling ...

[IanP]

You can add my umpteen RAF WW2 airfields to the list, if you like:

http://www.ianpsdarkcorner.co.uk

There are also a couple uploaded to the scenery library here, I believe? Bassingbourn I'm sure is here somewhere...

Just as an aside, somebody here gave me links to photographs of some Luftwaffe WW2 airfield buildings, but I can't remember who it was, embarrassingly. If you're still here, can I have them again please? I really need to put some bases on the Southern side of the Channel!

Ian P.

[calypsos]

If you are a Horizon VFR user, there are loads and loads of old airfields and even airports available. Just search FlightSim.com for Horizon VFR in the FSX scenery section. I did Tangmere (1953), Thorney Island (1974), Portsmouth Airport (1973), Hamble (1972) and have a whole lot more in the works for this autumn (I take a break from scenery design in the summer) including Lympne (Car ferries), Hatfield (1966) and several more long gone airfields.

[Pips]

Brooklands 1938 (EGLB) for FSX
by John McKeon (mckeonj@eircom.net) August 2009.

I thnk I got it at Avsim. It's very well done. This, and Old Warden, are my two favourite airports to fly my Vintage collection of aeroplanes. :)

[roger-wilco-66]

niced thread, there ís more on the subject than I thought!

Cheers,
Mark

[NoNewMessages]

I once got a pretty decent Floyd Bennett Airfield from one of the free sights (Avsim...? Simnetwork...? don't remember). I think it presented the airport as it was in the late thirties.

That would have disappeared once the developer pulled all of his existing work off all the FS sites.

[delta_lima]

YES!!!

I got some splotchy textures around the airfield perimiters, so just as a wild guess, I unselected the landclass file - works like a charm.

Silly me, I never even tried my the beloved CalClassic files, taking Tom's word from the Calclassic site that the files didn't cohabitate well. I have to assume there are some that will indeed not work - but I'm going to start a package at a time - maybe I can still me my dream come true of a Silver/Golden Wings type environment in FSX - or at least partially, in certain areas.

But go fly it guys - Indochina works in FSX SP2.

dl

[gera]

Someone should concentrate on making 1920 to 1940 scenery as a goal. There are so many aircraft of the period that would love to fly into it. I am sure whoever gets with it for the long haul he or she would be applauded for it would be a great success in our hobby......yes sir.:salute:
(Not an easy task)

[IanP]

There's a simple answer to that, unfortunately, gera - information is next to non-existent for huge amounts of inter-war airports.

I'm trying to do work on a place called Nutts Corner in Antrim, NI, and can find next to nothing about it, even though for many years it was the only airport in Ireland - North or South of the border, with scheduled international traffic!

Likewise, Croydon. I can get the odd photo, but nowhere near enough to do anything vaguely close to a real world representation.

If you're prepared to collect absolutely every piece of information available then you'll probably be able to do more than a handful of inter-war airfields. It won't be many, though, and the research will cost you a lot of time and money.

Ian P.

[lucas81]

Indeed. While making my Mokotow Airfield I purchased aerial photos of Warsaw from 1935 which I put into FSX and applied colours. As the aerodrome did not survive and there is a park with 60 year old trees I had to create every aerodrome building using b/w photos from many books. It slowered down the process and it took me about 5 months to complete the project. But I am really satisfied with the result.
If anyone is interested: http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=127957 Use Zipdive to open manual in the pdf to read about the scenery. May be worth to fly from Tempelhoff if you like Central/Eastern Europe flying.
regards,
Lucas

[gera]

There's a simple answer to that, unfortunately, gera - information is next to non-existent for huge amounts of inter-war airports.

I'm trying to do work on a place called Nutts Corner in Antrim, NI, and can find next to nothing about it, even though for many years it was the only airport in Ireland - North or South of the border, with scheduled international traffic!

Likewise, Croydon. I can get the odd photo, but nowhere near enough to do anything vaguely close to a real world representation.

If you're prepared to collect absolutely every piece of information available then you'll probably be able to do more than a handful of inter-war airfields. It won't be many, though, and the research will cost you a lot of time and money.

Ian P.

Hi Ian....I agree with you in that getting info is not easy. I have done some research and its not an easy task. Must it all be totally accurate??? I, particularly do not think so. So the field is there for who want to tackle it. I would gladly fly my old jigger into a 1935 "look alike" airfield with two or three buildings of the time.......but that´s my thoughts on this, am sure others have their own..I want to do a Mission of the famous French Aeropostale company but the only thing holding me a bit is this, the airfields of the period. I will eventually do something....:kilroy:

PS...I have found a more info on 1925-1935 airfields of South America than others, naturally in many Latin American aviation pages and all in spanish than English pages, early aviation in South America was very well documented. The Aeropostale company was covered almost everyday while operating in the South. I really enjoy those early aviation stories and news.

[Roger]

What we need is GW4...or more to the point a team willing to do all the hard work, lol!

[robcap]

May be worth to fly from Tempelhoff if you like Central/Eastern Europe flying.Thanks Lucas, I wasn't aware of that. Installed it, interesting scenery!

[delta_lima]

This great scenery, just released for FS9 - works (with minor aberrations) in FSX!!

You get the "framed" people object thing in a few cases, but now you can have 50's/60's era destinations in lovely places like Cairo, Dar es Salaam, and Benghazi.

I haven't tried all the airports (there's a few dozen) but the aforementioned, in addition to Johannesburg, Capetown, Luxor, and Leopoldville all work well. Dakar is a bit jumbled - alas.

Will advise more as I go through these.

dl

ps - here's the package on avsim - Bravo Calclassics & team:


africa_1960-1.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274133)
africa_1960-2.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274134)
africa_1960-3.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274135)
africa_1960-4.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274136)
africa_1960-5.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274137)
africa_1960-6.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274138)
africa_1960-7.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274139)
africa_1960-8.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274140)
africa_1960-9.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274141)
africa_1960-10.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274142)
africa_1960-11.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274143)
africa_1960-12.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274144)
africa_1960-13.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274145)
africa_1960-14.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274146)
africa_1960-15.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274147)
africa_1960-16.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274148)
africa_1960-17.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274149)
africa_1960-18.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274150)
africa_1960-19.jpg (http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274151)


<TABLE border=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD>http://library.avsim.net/sendfile.php?Location=AVSIM&Proto=file&ImageID=274132 </TD><TD width=*>File Description:
We've produced this scenery to provide taxiways, buildings and details as they were around 1960 for airports with airline service in Africa. We've added custom GMAX or Sketchup terminals for the major airports, usually with many other details included. We've added a library object terminal and details to virtually every African airport that was served by an airline in the early 1960's. We have been working on this project for 13 months, and there are 105 airports/fields. All have scenery - some very sparse, others full of action. All airports have flags, lighting, windsocks, and rotating beacons. If possible, the airports are placed accurately with maps2bgl as reference.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border=0 width="50%" bgColor=#cceeff align=center><TBODY><TR><TD width="25%">Filename:</TD><TD width="75%">africa_1960.zip</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">License:</TD><TD width="75%">Freeware, limited distribution</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Added:</TD><TD width="75%">20th October 2010</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Downloads:</TD><TD width="75%">1170</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Author:</TD><TD width="75%">Wolfgang Gersch, Harry Biard, Jaap de Baare, Mike Stevens, Tom Gibson, Nikko Yaginuma and Johan Dees</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Size:</TD><TD width="75%">15824kb</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[delta_lima]

Correction - I had a messed up objects library - Dakar looks good now.

dl

[tgibson]

Hi,

Sorry I didn't see this thread earlier. Generally the taxiways, runways, etc. will be fine (they are just AFCAD files), and the buildings, etc. should work OK. There may be some problems with transparency as mentioned above.

The things that are not compatible are the landclass and the ground/terrain features. These BGL files usually have "background" in the name, or end with _3, _5, _7, etc. Those need to be recreated (if desired) by using either SBuilderX or ADEX to create the new ground polygons, autogen excludes, etc.

Hope this helps,

Tom
CalClassic Propliners
www.calclassic.com

[delta_lima]

Thanks for piping in Tom!

By and large, the main issues I've noticed are the people figures, and some textures go funny at dusk/night. But in light of them being designed for FS9, the fact that they are "fairly" good in FSX makes me more than happy. If someone makes a dedicated FSX pack, that's even better! For now, though, I consider it a gift to have some locations in the sim (versus the whole world, in a GW/SW type set up in FS9) be little 50s and 60s time capsules. :icon29::icon29:

dl

[delta_lima]

I've always wondered what these weird spikes are about on some of the Calclassic sceneries (some have them, most don't).

This is an otherwise lovely Lisbon ... :(


50898

Any way of remedying this?

many thanks!

DL

[tgibson]

First thing I would try would be to move ESDG Ramplight library from the Static Objects Library/scenery folder to the main Static Objects Library folder (for safekeeping). If those are the light poles that may eliminate them.

Hope this helps,

[delta_lima]

Hello Tom,

I tried deleting as well as moving the lamplight bgl - to no avail. In fact, when I looked closely, all that did was affect the presence of the lamplights - they appear to be fine. This seems to be a series of points tied to the placement of the main termanial building - like a mesh/landclass issue. I find landclasses hard to understand - so I may be way off base here, but that's my best guess.

Any help would be appreciated. It is such a nice airport scenery.

thanks,

[William Njurmi]

Finnish scenery designers made a great representation of Malmi airport for FS9 (http://www.fsnordic.net/Files) and it is possible to upgrade to FSX downloading the appropriate files from here: http://jpv.kapsi.fi/flightsim/ .

Malmi was opened to traffic already in 1936, but officially it was opened only two years later. The still existing hangar was one of the biggest of its kind in Europe, providing shelter enough to six Ju52s.
The terminal itself is a art of work, proctected by museal laws. Unfortunately the airport itself is not, and the greedy politicians and real estate dealers have already laid their eyes on it. As Finland´s busiest GA airport its existence is at stake at the moment. It is also a home to numerous flying schools and to a Finnish Border Guard unit flying helos (Koala and Bell´s 412).

In sim, this is a very exciting place to fly. There are some modern buildings around the airport, but not too much. If you have for example Flight1´s DC-2, Malmi is perfect for you. Finnair´s predecessor Aero had it and flew it to Stockholm via Artukainen and Åland, to Berlin and to Tallinn. Polish LOT flew there too connecting Helsinki and Warsaw. ABA of Sweden was also a regular visitor. During the war Malmi saw plenty of military operations. In defence of Helsinki a various fighter groups were located there and a Finnish sub-hunting unit with war booty SB-2s. Then the Russians kept it to themselves for a while. After the war it was a beehive until the Seutula, or Helsinki-Vantaa was opened to cope with the Olympic games traffic. American AoA and Pan Am gave finns a possibility to reach States by connecting Helsinki with DC-3s to larger hubs in Stockholm or in Copenhagen.

So, if you are looking for a vintage airport, grab this.

[tgibson]

Hi again,

Your picture is taken too far away from the Lisbon terminal to see if there are objects in FS9 located at those "posts" in FSX. Take a closer shot of the the airport, showing a few of these columns close up.

Edit: Looking more closely at the picture it does appear that it may not be related to specific library objects - I can't correlate objects in FS9 with posts in FSX. But FSX sometimes handles "bad" objects oddly, often displacing them so the lack of correlation may not be diagnostic. I would try removing BGL files from the Lisbon folder, and find out which BGL file those posts are located.

[delta_lima]

Hello William,

Nice scenery indeed - good detail, zero fps hit, in yet another area of the world we don't often hear too much about, but yet is full of rich history. thanks so much.

OK Tom - deleted all bgls, and started adding just one at a time - found the problematic file. Unfortunately, it's the main file - lppt59buildings.bgl.

the shot below is the scenery with just that file in place.

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Obviously, there interfence from the default scenery, since the excludes are not in place when I took the shot - But trust me that the excludes work fine when included in the scenery folder as intended.

I hope this helps ...

thanks,

Daniel

[tgibson]

Unfortunately, that means there is something incompatible with the buildings, and since I've never seen anything like this before I have no idea what it might be...

I'm guessing it has something to do with the textures (since FSX behaves oddly when missing textures are encountered), but I have no idea which of them it might be or how to fix it.

Sorry,

[tgibson]

Harry (the scenery's creator) says:


Hi,

As you know I'm one of the the authors of the Lisbon scenery.
What you see are many "SCO_noaa_antanna_white" from the Generic library.

I used a lot of it......

I have no idea how to fix that problem..

Cheers,

Harry

So if this is true, then it should be possible for someone with Instant Scenery or EZ-Scenery to select and remove those objects...

Hope this helps,

[delta_lima]

Hello Tom,

Thanks so much for checking. Sounds like we're going somewhere. I don't have either of those programmes, but I'm looking to tackle a retro airport in Canada (and maybe another retro airport in my native Spain) - might be worth getting one of them. I was hoping to create my new aerodromes in ADE (which is free) - maybe there is hope for a fix after all.

Much appreciated you going to Harry - didn't have his contact, so that's a great help.

D