How long are countries going to pay these rats

[txnetcop]

Somali pirates strike again, it's time to clean out the rats nest!:banghead:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2008-11-17_D94GV5R00&show_article=1&cat=breaking
Ted

[N2056]

It will go on as long as we allow it...pretty frustrating when there is way more than enough firepower floating around in that region to get the message across but using it is 'not proper form'. I'd say it's time to make a statement, and I'm not talking shots across the bow.

Sink a few of the losers!!! :tgun2:

[Allen]

As long as they keep Hijacking things we want or need.

No one was saying clean out the rats nest when oil was $142.00 a Barrel becouse we needed it no mater the cost.

Get use to it!

Be glad that Oil has gone down or we'd see 0.20 cent increase at the pump today for it.

[Snuffy]

Wow! Can see this one getting political soon. Maybe not.

But IMHO, I feel that the inaction in the last reported hijacking/pirating of a ship in those water just enboldened these guys.

The sooner someone starts wasting pirates, and sinking their captured goods the sooner they might realize that they're not going to be making any money off it, and maybe they'll quit.

Sometimes loss of life can be a deterrent to stupid acts.

[MCDesigns]

Yep, makes me wonder as well why no power has taken the initiative to waste a few of these scumbags to get the point across. Hell, that is a training exercise for our military, give us the green light, LOL

I can't wait to see one of these tankers be a decoy and blast these losers out of the water! :ernae:

Doesn't this fall under NATO jurisdiction? for once they could actually do some good.

Definitely NOT for sinking their captured goods, there is enough crude floating around the ocean already! :isadizzy:

[redrooster]

There is a group dedicated to defending against the pirates, CTF 150. And don't worry..they've already wasted a few pirates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Task_Force_150

redrooster

[Lionheart]

I hope we wipe them out... Get them off the planet. Make the penalties extreme.



Bill

[Kofschip]

Our Navy and the Navies of other countries is supposed to keep the sea lanes open for trade. I think that at the present time there is very little leadership as far as the Naval world is concerned. A tanker with 1/4 of a day's output by Saudi Arabia is a lot of fuel for the industrial world. BTW, this thread can turn political very fast.:censored:

[Allen]

I hope we wipe them out... Get them off the planet. Make the penalties extreme.



Bill

Not so fast there all you shoot first and ask later.


Christensen said the Sirius Star was carrying crude, but he could not say how much. Fully loaded, the ship's cargo would be worth about $100 million.

The ship's cargo ALONE would be worth about $100 million. How much dose this ship cost? An it brand new. If I found the right ship it had it Keel Laid on 2007-10-29.

http://exchange.dnv.com/exchange/main.aspx?extool=vessel&subview=yard&vesselid=29210 (http://exchange.dnv.com/exchange/main.aspx?extool=vessel&subview=yard&vesselid=29210)

Some one going to pay for the Ship it's Cargo to Clean up the spilt oil and the cost of the lost of the ship while a new one is built IF it is sunk by any one's Navy.

[N2056]

Well, I would think if you were to be pro-active and sink the pirates before they board the tanker...:d

[txnetcop]

I don't really think anyone is saying sink the ships. Like Michael said we have enough crude floating around in the ocean-no I'm not a :censored: tree hugger. We need to clean out the nest.

Back in the 70s there was a nest of pirates operating out of Vietnam after the pull out of American troops, a clandestine group of raiders stopped the problem by cutting it off at the head so to speak. We could and should do the same in Somalia and this time do it right. The UN is hopelessly deadlocked as to what to do as usual, this job will take a group of especially talented individuals cooperating with the US Navy and other willing participants to deal with this. There are other hot spots that need to be dealt with in the same manner in the South China Sea now but China has only given token cooperation.
Ted


Not so fast there all you shoot first and ask later.



The ship's cargo ALONE would be worth about $100 million. How much dose this ship cost? An it brand new. If I found the right ship it had it Keel Laid on 2007-10-29.

http://exchange.dnv.com/exchange/main.aspx?extool=vessel&subview=yard&vesselid=29210 (http://exchange.dnv.com/exchange/main.aspx?extool=vessel&subview=yard&vesselid=29210)

Some one going to pay for the Ship it's Cargo to Clean up the spilt oil and the cost of the lost of the ship while a new one is built IF it is sunk by any one's Navy.

[N2056]

Hey Ted, I'm with ya there. That would be why I said earlier that we should introduce them to Davy Jones before they get to the intended victim ship. It can't be too hard to guess which boat to shoot at :d

[wombat666]

It might sound like a good idea to terminate these people with extreme predjudice, but there are not enough 'un-committed' resources available from Nations who would be prepared to do so.
That aside, do we really think the so-called Somali 'Government' would appreciate any intervention by outside forces?
Of course, I'd be cynical enough to suggest the 'Pirates' most probably have their operations sanctioned by whoever is at the top of the 'Government'.
Short memories as well team, the previous operations by outsiders in Somalia were a costly and bloody exercise with no reward.
:kilroy:

[RickN]

Anybody remember Q-ships? :d:d

[lefty]

I would have thought that the amount of cash these shipowners and oilmen (particularly Saudi ones) generate, they could afford some kind of snappy defence mechanism. Can't rely on the navies, as there is little or no warning, but a small chopper with a few carefully-chosen ASM's could be launched fairly quickly, don't you think ?

Then blow the sods out of the water. Who is going to complain?

[stansdds]

I would think placing a squad of well armed personnel aboard these ships would deter acts of piracy. From what I can tell, the pirates do not use armored war vessels, but relatively simple and lightweight boats. M4's or AK's equipped with grenade launchers might be all the deterrence needed. I kind of doubt these scumbags will want to hang around when their bodies start getting ventilated and their boats receive 40mm holes in the hulls on a regular basis.

[gajit]

I would think placing a squad of well armed personnel aboard these ships would deter acts of piracy. From what I can tell, the pirates do not use armored war vessels, but relatively simple and lightweight boats. M4's or AK's equipped with grenade launchers might be all the deterrence needed. I kind of doubt these scumbags will want to hang around when their bodies start getting ventilated and their boats receive 40mm holes in the hulls on a regular basis.


Ah - much sense talked here - My guess is that we don't know what is being planned - a deterent should be publicised but would make better headlines with a result.

Peace to the peaceful :ernae:

[lefty]

Well this is interesting !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7735685.stm

[MyassisDragon]

Somali pirates hijack a Saudi oil tanker. Is there no honor among thieves? :d

[demorier]

Our early morning news tells me there has been anoughter pirate raid overnight. They are really pushing there luck....I'm puzzled about the insurers.:isadizzy:

[Drake]

Pirates should be paid in lead. Hot, fast moving lead.

[Allen]

Dose any one remember the last time any one tryed to clean out the rats nets in Somali? I don't think things went well.:redf:

The ships them self need to be armed. No Government needs to protect these ship. Definitely NOT the U.S. as these pirates already pulled off Black Hawk Down on the U.S. Give them a shot at the U.S. Navy an they will pull out the al-Qaeda USS Cole Play Book and try it.:banghead:

I vote for when the ransom is paid on the tanker we go for a few tomahawk strikes with bomblet-dispensing warhead to sink all these aluminum can fishing boat the use to get around.



Somali pirates hijack a Saudi oil tanker. Is there no honor among thieves? :d

No.

EDIT TIME

By the way the took another one today.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601116&sid=aM21jBIdPSf0

[wombat666]

India 'sinks Somali pirate ship'


<!-- S BO --> <!-- S IIMA --> <table width="226" align="right" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr><td> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45219000/jpg/_45219313_instabar226.jpg The Indian navy is now patrolling off the Somali coast

</td></tr> </tbody></table> <!-- E IIMA --> <!-- S SF --> The Indian navy has said that one of its warships in the Gulf of Aden has destroyed a ship belonging to pirates operating off the coast of Somalia.
The INS Tabar opened fire on a pirate "mother ship" after it came under attack, a government statement said.
There has been a surge in piracy incidents off Somalia.
The Saudi-owned Sirius Star supertanker is currently anchored off the Somali coast after the vessel and its 25 crew were seized by pirates. <!-- E SF -->
Vela International, operators of the Sirius Star, told the BBC no demands had yet been received from the pirates. The company also said all the crew were safe.
The biggest tanker ever hijacked, Sirius Star is carrying a cargo of two million barrels - a quarter of Saudi Arabia's daily output - worth more than $100m (£67m).
India is among several countries are already patrolling the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes which connects the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean.
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Indian naval statement

</td> </tr> </tbody></table> The Indian navy said the Tabar spotted a pirate vessel while patrolling 285 nautical miles (528km) south-west of Salalah in Oman, on Tuesday evening.
When it demanded the vessel stop for investigation, the pirate ship responded by threatening to "blow up the naval warship if it closed on her", the statement said.
The navy said the pirates on board were armed with guns and rocket propelled grenade launchers. They threatened to blow up the INS Tabar and then fired on it.
The Indians say they retaliated by opening fire and that there was an explosion on the pirate vessel, which sank.
"Fire broke out on the vessel and explosions were heard, possibly due to exploding ammunition that was stored in the vessel," the Indian navy said.
Some of the pirates tried to escape on two speedboats - the Indian sailors gave chase but one boat was later found abandoned, while a second boat escaped.
The Tabar has been patrolling the Gulf of Aden since 23 October, and has escorted 35 ships safely during the "pirate-infested waters", the statement said.
Last week, an helicopter-borne Indian marine commandos stopped pirates from boarding and hijacking an Indian merchant vessel.
On Tuesday, a cargo ship and a fishing vessel became the latest to join more than 90 civilian vessels attacked by the pirates this year.<!-- S IBOX -->
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</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- E IBOX --> A 25-crew cargo vessel transporting wheat to Iran was attacked in the Gulf of Aden while contact was lost with the crew of 12 on the fishing boat.
Piracy in the area is estimated to have cost up to $30m in ransoms so far this year, according to a recent report by a UK think-tank.
The pirates who seized the Sirius Star are a sophisticated group with contacts in Dubai and neighbouring countries, says the BBC Somali Service's Yusuf Garaad.
Much of their ransom money from previous hijackings has been used to buy new boats and weapons as well as develop a network across the Horn of Africa, he adds.
The hijackings off the coast of East Africa and the Gulf of Aden - an area of more than 1m sq miles (2.6m sq km) - make up one-third of all global piracy incidents this year, according the International Maritime Board.
Somalia has not had a functioning national government since 1991 and has suffered continuing civil strife.
Shipping companies are now weighing up the risks of using the short-cut route to Europe via the Suez canal.

[cheezyflier]

i have this thing in my head that makes me wonder why they don't set a trap for them. how hard could it really be to load a ship with a false cargo, crew it with a bunch special forces type guys, and cruise around till they attack?
why not put heavy security forces on all these shipping vessels? sooner or later, i think if you kill enough of them, they'll quit. couldn't something like this actually work?

[MCDesigns]

WAY TO GO INDIA!!!!!!!!!!
:tgun2:

[Daveroo]

i know yall will disagree..but ive seen many shows on this and talked to many people..now its main stream after these attacks..and yes theyre attacks....but i think the maritime laws need to be changed and the vessels captain and first mate should be armed..or maybe a specail armed crew while in pirate waters...shoot back...those people will flee..its in thier blood to flee when confronted..but right now they have the power with thier AK47s uzi's or whatever...mount a .30 gatling on the bow and one on the stearn and by god thier gonna run........

besides..what are they going to do with that oil now?.....all the US has to do is blockaide the ship from entering any port...they will give it up ..

[Allen]

all the US has to do is blockaide the ship from entering any port...they will give it up ..

Yeah sure... I take al-Qaeda USS Cole Play Book for $2000 Alex.:kilroy:

[wombat666]

.....all the US has to do is blockaide the ship from entering any port...they will give it up ..

There are way too many points of entry for shipping (even large tankers) in countries that would get extremely pissed at ANY attempt to blockade their ports.
That alone may be taken as an overt 'Act of War'.
:banghead:
The only way to overcome the Piracy issue is to re-route shipping and provide close escorts, both of which will escalate the cost of seaborne trade.
And really, there are just not enough escorts available to carry out such a huge operation.

[Snuffy]

Time to park a carrier task force in the area with aircraft ready for scramble 24/7.

As soon as a S.o.s. is emmitted ... jet away ... blow em out of the water, follow them into port and rip the place apart.

Just a suggestion.

As was mentioned the puppet government in that country doesn't have enough muscle to counteract an operation against the pirates bases.

[Allen]

Time to park a carrier task force in the area with aircraft ready for scramble 24/7.

Sorry There all busy with Al-Qaeda in Iraq. They have no time for Al-Qaeda in Somali.:icon_lol:

[Snuffy]

This in from FOX ...

Blame Depp ...

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/19/ggutfeld_1119/

[middle]

I hate to be so cynical but how do we know the oil companies are not pating these guys to hijack their own ships just to drive the price of oil up again?

[Allen]

I hate to be so cynical but how do we know the oil companies are not pating these guys to hijack their own ships just to drive the price of oil up again?


We don't.:kilroy:

[TARPSBird]

Way to go India, specifically the crew of INS Tabar, for putting the smack-down on the pirate mothership. :applause:

[stansdds]

I hate to be so cynical but how do we know the oil companies are not pating these guys to hijack their own ships just to drive the price of oil up again?
I'll kindly ask that you stop using my tinfoil hat to come up with conspiracy theories. Get your own tinfoil, mine's special and comes up with the great theories!:costumes::costumes::costumes::costumes:

Yeah, that theory passed across my neurons as well.