New EE Canberra series coming soon

[nazca_steve]

Hello all,

I thought I'd start a thread on my upcoming new series of EE/BAC Canberra models for FS2004; work on the freeware portion of this is approaching completion, and I hope to have it for release within the next two months. For the record, the freeware release will encompass the B.2 variant, in the forms of early, classic, late and prototype B.2 models. They will feature a VC and several paint schemes, along with a paintkit and some other goodies. Details on the later payware models will be available at www.flyingstations.com (http://www.flyingstations.com)

There will be a beta test prior to release, but I haven't sorted that out entirely yet. Feedback welcome as always, and I will post more updates soon once I lock the VC down a little more.

Cheers,

Steve

A few samples of the W.I.P. so far:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/VC03_018.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/VC03_019.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b15__034.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b1nene_020.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/VC03_021.jpg

[Hurricane91]

That is really nice. Great work!

[wbuchart]

The EE Canberra / Martin B-57 are my all time favorite aircraft. Looking an the wips my first thought was holy crap!...this looks like it may be the mest FS9 model / paints yet!
:applause:

[SADT]

Hi Steve,

What models will be free and what models wont?
Also will these be FSX compatible, not native?
And finally, what will be the ballpark price?

Sorry for all the questions but your WIPS are looking good.

P.S. Are you using 3D gauges or not?

[hawkeye52]

Looking good.

- H52

[nazca_steve]

Hi Steve,

What models will be free and what models wont?
Also will these be FSX compatible, not native?
And finally, what will be the ballpark price?

Sorry for all the questions but your WIPS are looking good.

P.S. Are you using 3D gauges or not?

Thanks chaps, your comments were very kind. To answer your questions (and I hope this doesn't violate forum rules on payware advertising):

FREEWARE:

The freeware release will consist of only the aforementioned B.2 models. Essentially these have different loadouts and cosmetic details relevant to the varying B.2s over their decades of service, but their respective flight models fully reflect this.

PAYWARE:

Payware...these are hard times for all of us, so the prices will be affordable - most likely about $5 per download pack, which will each contain roughly four models, assorted repaints and paintkit. I'm planning about 10 packs total, including the freeware B.2 pack. At this time, they are tentatively planned and named:

Alpha Canberras: B.1 pack
Tried and Tested: B.2 pack
Trainers: Duel Control pack
Bomber Power: B.6/15/16 pack
Eyes in the Sky: PR.3/7 pack
Tugs & Trainers: pack 1
Tugs and Trainers pack 2
Exports. 1: Argentina
Exports. 2: Peru, Ethiopia., Australia, Rhodesia
Exports. 3: USA (bubble canopy models only, sorry, no tandems for now)
Master of Tasks: Experimentals pack

The plan is, you won't necessarily want all of these, hence you pick and choose the packs that suit you at a reasonable price.

FSX compatibility:

Well, they are native FS2004, but as with my Seahawk, there may be some FSX compatibility off the bat. It seems there is interest in an FSX conversion, so down the line, depending on how things have gone, that may well happen.

GAUGES & FEATURES:

Right now, gauges are not 3D. This is mainly due to compiling problems - trust me, despite my best efforts to low poly model, I have to keep the poly count low due to compiling limitations, and decking the VC fully 3D may not be a reality. But the 2D gauges should be good, and I will put a lot into them. The VC itself has some nice tricks mind you, including opening DV panel, payload controls and droppable payloads, canopy jettison and working ejector seat etc.

I hope this answers some of the immediate questions; don't be afraid to ask more- when it comes to talking Canberra (as many will tell you), I never shut up!

Cheers,

Steve

[SADT]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the clarification. How does the performance differ between the early Canberras and the late canberras? Also, if we were to buy all pay ware packs at once, would there be a special deal like flight replicas super cubs?

EDIT: Steve there are 10 packs excluding the B.2 pack??????

[nazca_steve]

Lol, it's been a long day! You're right, there are 11 packs there, including the B.2.

Anyway, yes, there will be a discount for a bulk purchase of all packs, yet to be determined, but significant enough to be worth it. Regarding performance between late and early B.2s, no actual performance difference in terms of engine thrust, the difference comes in the weight between payloads. The FDEs are dialled-in to reflect this, but most likely will not truly be noticed in flight. Mostly minor cosmetic details (lights, pitot placement etc.), and the fact you get to drop bombs in the 'classic' model, which is always fun.

[Fauville]

Nice, will the B(1)12 that the RNZAF had be represented?:jump:

[AndyG43]

Nice, will the B(1)12 that the RNZAF had be represented?:jump:

Yes, you have kinda skipped past the fighter canopy versions a little Steve! I put that down to the frustration with the weekend's footie!!!

All looking very impressive, and some of those packs look like must have's - like the sound of those 'experimentals', lots of scope there.

[Flyboy208]

Wow Steve, these will be a treat to have in the hangar. Love your work! Mike :salute:

[Ian Warren]

Steve , after crawling through the cockpit of the 'Rassberry Ripple' in a Museum south of Christchurch NZ i did wonder when a brilliant model was to come out .. looking superb :salute:

Cheers Ian
www.nzff.org

[Blackbird686]

Very nice!! I know this project has been in the works for a long time. Looking forward to the release date.

BB686:USA-flag:

[Wild Bill Kelso]

That's great! :applause::applause:

May I humbly claim my interest in doing this repaint?

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/9934_1.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/9934_2.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/9934_3.jpg

It's the Luftwaffe's 99+34 (B Mk.2). Note the replacement wings - doesn't it look quite odd?

Cheers,
Markus.

[nazca_steve]

Morning all,

Thanks a lot for the positive feedback so far, it's nice to know I'm on the right track here. Yes indeed the project has taken me over a year so far, but I am slowly seeing the light at the end of the tunnel for the freeware release. Some of the other models are not far off either, such as the T.11/19.

Unfortunately for fighter canopy fans, no immediate plans for those models I'm afraid, but if the bomber canopy models do well, I could be persuaded ;) The experimentals are definitely going to be fun; this is what I love about the Canberra- so many different flavours to model.

That repaint is all yours, Markus, i did that one before for the Paul Foster Canberras, and can vouch that it is fun. The wings are replacements from an RAF TT.18 as I am sure you can see, and the aircraft still remains in Germany to this day as a static exhibit, although was somewhat worse for wear in the photos I saw.

Here are a few more snaps of WIP models:

TT.18:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/TT18_b_038.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/TT18_c_013.jpg

B.62 with radome:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b62_04_015.jpg

A.1:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b1nene_017.jpg

T.19:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/t11_034.jpg

Cheers all,

Steve

[Motormouse]

Hi Steve,

Nice to see you over here as well as the other place....did you say T.17 as well ??...they were B2 variants
and for those that are interested the B6 variants had different wings and engine variant....were a wee bit more 'GT'
than B2's

ttfn

Pete

[nazca_steve]

Hi Pete,

yes, I get around as they say! Yes, T.17 definitely planned, I know that is one close to your heart. Mine too for that matter, and frankly I've had to force myself not to work on it until the bugs are ironed out in all the others. Something about the T.17 nose that I love.

Have to agree on the GT aspect to the B.6 types, an extra 1,000lb per engine does make a difference. Cooler payloads too.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Steve, I knew this GAF 99+34 repaint of course, but I didn't know yet that it was you who had risen the bar this high...:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/9934_1-1.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/9934_2-1.jpg

Those "roundel remains" look awesome!
And although the Paul Foster model still is a nice one, it's exciting to see a "Next Generation" Canberra coming up!

Can't wait...

[nazca_steve]

yep, that is one of mine, perhaps the most enjoyable 'roundels' I've ever painted. I do love a weathered bird, and this was a lot of fun to paint. Nice screens by the way, very crisp - what res are you running at? I agree, Paul's Canberra is brilliant, and indeed, the inspiration for the project. Massively underrated designer - I think his Vulcan model is very slept on, and if it had a VC would have been fantastic.

[Desert Rat]

Steve, those are looking awfully tasty, the mutts nuts. If you make them I will buy them, all of them, so far you have chosen probably two of my fav planes of that era, remember building Airfix kits of both of them as a child.

I just might wet myself waiting...
Jamie

[nazca_steve]

Lol, mate you are killing me there! Nice one though, I am glad you're into them as much as I am. I had the old Airfix kits too, and one or two of the old Matchbox PR.9s too. Doing these FS versions is the next best thing really, maybe better in terms of storage space! I think I am going to wet myself doing repaints after the release - it seems you never run out of good potential schemes with the Cran.

ATB,

Steve

[Wild Bill Kelso]

... Nice screens by the way, very crisp - what res are you running at?

Thanks.
It's 1680x1050, screenie resized and sharpened via PSP. I think the clue to all my screenies is Pablo Diaz's incredible Hi-Def clouds...

I second that concerning Paul's Canberra (isn't there any nickname for this EE beauty?).
Talking about "raising the bar"...

[nazca_steve]

'Cranberry' or just plain old 'Can' are the only I know of. The Argentinians abbreviated it to 'CNBR' but that doesn't have much a ring to it in my opinion.

Rock on.

Steve

[Fauville]

Morning all,



Unfortunately for fighter canopy fans, no immediate plans for those models I'm afraid, but if the bomber canopy models do well, I could be persuaded ;) The experimentals are definitely going to be fun; this is what I love about the Canberra- so many different flavours to model.


Steve
All good, hope they do:jump: luckily the RNZAF hired some B.2s off the RAF when 75 Squadron had a tour of duty based in Tengah 1958 to 1962, so slapping a 75 sqaudron emblem on the tail feathers is not an impossibility, and they had some T.4s (WD963, WJ859, WJ864) on loan as well.

Looking forward to it:applause:

[Wild Bill Kelso]

'Cranberry' or just plain old 'Can' are the only I know of.
That's nice. Good to know!

Looking at several pics, I observe some decent soot crust at the fuselage's side, just in front of the wing root (leading edge side).
Where do these stains come from?
Exhaust fumes whirled off the engine' sides?

As stated elsewhere, I do love my planes dirty& worn, but I'd like to know why a certain (and distinctive) crust occurs...
For instance, I know the Tornado's tailfin is smoky because of the reverser fumes going this way, but I can't figure out the Canberra's fume stains.

[Motormouse]

That's nice. Good to know!

Looking at several pics, I observe some decent soot crust at the fuselage's side, just in front of the wing root (leading edge side).
Where do these stains come from?
Exhaust fumes whirled off the engine' sides?

As stated elsewhere, I do love my planes dirty& worn, but I'd like to know why a certain (and distinctive) crust occurs...
For instance, I know the Tornado's tailfin is smoky because of the reverser fumes going this way, but I can't figure out the Canberra's fume stains.

Soot from the engine starter cartridge exhaust's,
the cartridge was about 3" (inches) in diameter, used ones were highly sought after, as being brass they would shine up quite nicely.

You tube video ----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9fkmqPHTDE

and here ---> http://on-target-aviation.com/WT333_Canb.html some nice photos (good one of the Coffman starter inside the spinner Steve)



ttfn

Pete

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Thanks for the HU, Pete! :salute:

Quite impressive pics on a very interesting website.
Now I also did learn what the holes on the "cowling's" sides are for. Is there also a third exhaust hole on their bottom side? Can't tell from the pics...

Cheers,
Markus.

[nazca_steve]

I believe there is, yes, although I will admit, that I haven't mapped that one.

[Sascha66]

This is something I am looking forward to - the Canbera has always been a plane I love.

The model and paints look truly stunning!

[nazca_steve]

Thanks a lot, Sascha, unfortunately real life has got in the way this week and development is slowing down a bit. But where there's a will, there's a way, and I will get back to it soon as possible.

[nazca_steve]

Latest update, I've got the T.4 exterior model built at last, clearing me for, well, more variant builds! I think the original launch date is now defunct, due to the real world intruding on the virtual one of late, and we're now more realistically looking at late October for a release now.

Anyway, here are some snaps of the T.4 as she stands at the moment:

cart start:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/t4_008.jpg

quick sortie:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/t4_045.jpg

back to land:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/t4_002.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/t4_000.jpg

and home for some maintenance:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/t4_004.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/t4_009.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/t4_010.jpg

[Wild Bill Kelso]

That's jaw-dropping, Steve! :applause:

I can almost smell the startup fumes.
Very much looking forward to "late October" or whenever the Can will arrive! :jump:

Cheers,
Markus.

[Wing_Z]

Wow. Whatever...take your time, we'll be here, waiting...:salute:

[SADT]

Hi steve,

Got any pics of the VC? Great work :salute:

[nazca_steve]

Thanks fellas, yes 'late October' is tentative; I've got a holiday (eagerly awaited) coming up next month so that will put a delay in the plans. The standard B.2 VC is complete, barring a possible gauge change here and there, and I will post some pics of that up soon. The remaining work now is the rest of the exterior builds and corresponding VC builds, and of course their respective air files. I think the T.17 is next on the schedule before I cross the pond so to speak and tackle the RB/B-57As.

Exhaust fumes...yes I couldn't help myself and went for a dirty 'end of the era' T.4 - this the era I best I remember from my youth!

[nazca_steve]

Hi steve,

Got any pics of the VC? Great work :salute:


Here you go, Craig, a few from the B.2, not 100% final yet, but quite close:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b62_022.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b62_023.jpg

Rumble seat folded:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b62_024.jpg

unfolded:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b62_025.jpg

back on the ground:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b62_031.jpg

DV panel open to let in some fresh into the greenhouse!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b62_032.jpg

[hschuit]

Steven thank you for showing the VC previews... that looks stunning :salute::salute::salute:, for a moment I thought this is an FSX model. I particularly like the shot looking down through the open crew hatch.

[Motormouse]

er, Steve...thats Rhumbold seat, after the manufacturer of said seat....
nice shots of the interior...oh did anyone ever mention the ring of bolts wot hold the glasshouse canopy down were fitted with explosive detonators too? (as were the ones on rear cockpit overhead hatch)

Padding on the ejection seat looks a little thin...in reality the seat pan cushion was fitted on top of the liferaft box (aka Personal Survival Pack usually bright yellow or olive green box)

IIRC from our safety training..some 30 yrs ago now.....most Canberra's had Mk 3 seats, some had Mk 4 seats retrofitted.

---> http://www.martin-baker.com/products/Ejection-Seats/Mk--1-to-Mk--9/Mk--3.aspx

Crawling into rear cockpit underneath the live swing-seat on T4's always gave me the 'willies' :icon_lol:

as anyone else who's been 'in' will tell you, anyone entering a cockpit with live ejection seats fitted must do the safety pin check on 'all' seats...'Safe for Parking' or 'Safe for Servicing'


ttfn

Pete

[Wild Bill Kelso]

This VC looks gorgeous, Steve! :applause:

Although I can live with 2D panels. Actually, there are not many aircraft besides the SF8 Sabre I use to operate from the VC. But this one becomes awesome!

I'm particulary fond of the "De-Mister" lettering on the windshield frame:
The german word "Mist" means something you use to call "manure"... :icon_lol:

Cheers,
Markus.

[nazca_steve]

To Rhumbold or not to rumble, that is the question...well not any more apparently. I've seen it written both ways, but of late, the debate seemed to swing to 'rumble' seat. I had no idea there was an inventor behind the seat.

Ref the seat marks, the photos I've been working from appear to have the Mark 2CA seat fitted:

http://www.martin-baker.com/products/Ejection-Seats/Mk--1-to-Mk--9/Mk--2.aspx

I see on the variants section for the Mk. 3 that there were Canberra versions, it's just I can't build every possible variation and have opted for a generic seat. I will see about getting the padding and liferafts on there though.

I watched an old Canberra servicing video from the 50s the other day; they were very, very particular about safety pin fitting among other things. Can't think why...;)

[nazca_steve]

This VC looks gorgeous, Steve! :applause:

Although I can live with 2D panels. Actually, there are not many aircraft besides the SF8 Sabre I use to operate from the VC. But this one becomes awesome!

I'm particulary fond of the "De-Mister" lettering on the windshield frame:
The german word "Mist" means something you use to call "manure"... :icon_lol:

Cheers,
Markus.

Manure: 'DEFINITELY IMPORTANT TO TURN OFF WHEN NOT REQUIRED' lol. That would be one checklist item on your mind.

Glad you like the shape of the VC so far; once I get the aforementioned padding on the seats, those long flights should become a tad more comfy.

[AndyG43]

To Rhumbold or not to rumble, that is the question...well not any more apparently. I've seen it written both ways, but of late, the debate seemed to swing to 'rumble' seat. I had no idea there was an inventor behind the seat.


A rumble seat is a type of exterior tip up seat you often see on pre war roadsters (see here for details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumble_seat)) and would still have been familiar in the early days of Canberra flying; so in this case it likely was a corruption of the inventors name, but with an obvious derivation.

This is all looking rather nice Steve, roll on "late October"!

[nazca_steve]

Nice one for that, Andy, I had no idea about the etymology of the word, but am now informed! As you say, one of those things that probably stemmed over from the cars. The article you sent also mentions 'dickie seat' which I have also seen referred to with the Canberra seat. Not suprisingly, the uncomfortableness of the seat was one of the first things mentioned by Boscombe Down test pilots when the A.1/B.1 was sent up to them from EE. They did say it was useful though, and worth retaining.

[Motormouse]

Hi Steve;

Seat manufacturer was L A Rumbold company; incorporated into
Contour Aircraft seating and sometime part of Britax, although why the seats' were plated as Rhumbold I don't know.

Rumbolds' had a long and successful run making many of the seats fitted to many British WWII
bombers and transport aeroplanes.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1963/1963%20-%200724.html?tracked=1

No worries on 'generic' bang-seat..y'know I can't even model in3d...was just reminiscing a bit..
and we often called it the 'dickie seat' too

ttfn

Pete

[nazca_steve]

No, I appreciate your comments Pete, helps me raise the bar a bit in areas that needed it. In certain situations I'll probably leave the back seats lower-poly, but have re-worked the main pilots seat with a bit more padding and life-raft now, so cheers for that.

Thanks also for the details on the Rumbold Company, I learn more everyday. Hopefully we'll all have a laugh banging them up and down to annoy the nav in the back ;)

The next chapter - B.6 (Mod) development:

Well, next on the list was the B.6 (Mod), of which I have just finished the WT333 version. This is a special version, for reasons why I will reveal later! In the meantime, here are a few snaps of her, resplendent in her raspberry ripple scheme, on a rainy day at Wyton.

Ominous weather:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6mod_012.jpg

But we're going up anyway:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6mod_020.jpg

quick sortie:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6mod_014.jpg

and back to base for some hot chocolate methinks...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6mod_026.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6mod_028.jpg

Heck, at least Elwood looks nice and dry!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6mod_030.jpg

More mods and rockers to come soon.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Huh!
I used to think a timeless elegant aeroplane such as this could by no means be mutilated - but this nose is just ridiculous... :wiggle:
More versions eagerly awaited!

Cheers,
Markus.

[nazca_steve]

Yes, the Canberra sometimes went all 'Beverly Hills' on us and had some bad nose-jobs. Thing is, like all good 'cougars', even the old and ugly can grow on you, lol. I've got kind of used to the B.6 (Mod)'s nose, and like it now. The T.17 is the true 'warts and all' nose job.

[Motormouse]

Did someone say T.17....

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b193/motormouse/Scan_WJ565.jpg

a much younger me with a fine old Canberra @ 1980

ttfn

Pete

[nazca_steve]

The original Motormouse picture! A good one that, Pete, and yes, the T.17 is scheduled for production next, at long last.

But as a parting shot on odd long-nose Canberras, I finished the B.6(R) with dustbin just now; the one and only WT305 on clandestine ops over the lavender fields of Norfolk. Some cheeky rigger decided we still needed the sunblind fitted...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6modbin_035.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6modbin_036.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6modbin_034.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6modbin_037.jpg

back to an unknown base...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/b6modbin_040.jpg

[AndyG43]

Ah, I was wondering if you were going to pick that one up Steve!

This is looking better everyday, superb stuff mate. :salute:

[rohan]

Steve,
it's probably just perpective and / or the paint scheme, but that first shot in post #49 makes it look as if the nose has been offset to one side - almost as if it's been broken in some way. Anyway, they all look great and I'm looking forward to the release,
regards,
Ro

[nazca_steve]

Hi Ro,

I think it is the paint scheme, the grey being to the left in this shot and causing an optical illusion of sorts. I had a similar comment with the T.11 I did, but I can tell you from spending hours with the Gmax files, they're straight ;) Thanks for the feedback though, as things can and will slip through.

Yes, Andy, it is one of the more unconventional versions of the Cran, but then she did get a lot of plastic surgery over the years. I wonder how the dustbin affected handing? Any former 51 Sqn pilots happen to read this I'd love to hear.

[nazca_steve]

Did someone say T.17....

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b193/motormouse/Scan_WJ565.jpg

a much younger me with a fine old Canberra @ 1980

ttfn

Pete

Pete, any chance you can nip over to Canberra Crazy forum to help us out? We've got a couple of ex-360 riggers newly on there, and there is a discussion going on regarding appearance of T.17 markings and camo changes that you might be able to help with. You might know them too, so it's worth a look. One of them is Mac McCutcheon who used to do the engraved starter cartridges. They introduced themselves here:

http://canberratalk.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=intro&num=1235245828&action=display&start=195

and this is the markings thread:

http://canberratalk.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1246553586&start=75#1283378724

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/t17_001.jpg

[Motormouse]

Hi Steve, well my time on 'em was over by Xmas 1981...(from late 79!)
and as you know I was working away from a 'Squadron'..however

1) The squadron 'flashes' each side of fuselage roundel...these were unofficial IIRC, but 'allowed'
the style had to be 'approved' by someone of 'Air' rank though. Previously had been the
preserve of the 'Fighter' squadrons and got re-introduced for the majority of Strike Commands'
other fleets in mid 1980's as cold war (and need for dis-identified units) was diminishing.

The theory behind dis-identified is to stop your enemy digging up any information on
a particular squadron / operator which they might then turn to tactical gain,for example.
We would return them to the squadrons with no squadron identifiers whatever (ie 'buzz'
letters on the fin/fuselage and nose gear doors, squadron/station/unit badges,etc),
what happened after that was down to the squadron / station / unit.

like ---> http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/English-Electric-Canberra/1699103/L/&sid=fd3cb0da4395d64497a6e6d9213a9ef7

2) Underwing markings...several variations were possible, all were correct, some had no
serials and a small roundel (red/blue only) for reason of dis-identification, then some had a
serial under left (or right) wing only and a small roundel under opposite wing,some had
serials only under both wings, some had standard size red/blue roundel only under both
wings. They would come out of the paint shops at St Athan or Chadderton/Salmesbury in standard
scheme which would then be 'modified' by the station paintshops to suit the particular
squadron and variant operational needs. Thus fleet changes would be gradual,
normally a full repaint would co-incide with a major overhaul or significant structural alteration,
partial repaints would depend on the nature and location of work and paintshop capabilities.


Now certainly at the time of my photo; 565 was wearing, fresh from the paintshop, serial numbers under the wings,
a little smaller than those you've painted on WT305,about half the size in fact... post by 'Stripey' over there pretty much has it,
(and the dummy intake/cowl fixtures used for engine run-up test were bright red glossy finish).
Did or did not some T17A's appear in grey/green camouflage? As I said earlier all paint changes had to be approved by 'their airships' in MOD, and each slot in paintshop was pre-allocated so..if the paint change came out and the aeroplane was already too far completed paint-wise to totally re-do in new scheme.....it's entirely possible; the only thing that is documented for sure is the first aeroplane to appear in hemp. The only way to be sure would be to examine the maintenance records for each and every one to see when changes were embodied, but I don't think MOD would like to release them in public.

I would love to be more specific for you, but with
an aeroplane with such a diverse number of roles,operational uses and conversions as the
Canberra there will always be some disputes :mixedsmi:

ttfn

Pete

[nazca_steve]

As you say Pete, with the Canberra, we could be here til the cows come home, 60 years of service and a lot of variants and sub-variants, mods etc. and there is no 'definitive'. That said, thanks a lot for that cracking run-down on markings as you remember them, I've passed the info on. Glad you brought up the fighter command connection to the lightning stripes, I always did think that looked quite daring, shall we say. I think 85 Sqn had a similar deal on its T.11s with orange and black chequers.

You should stop by CC forum regardless, they're a really good group of lads (not that the SOH crew isn't before someone makes clever remarks!!).

Cheers,

Steve

[Tom Clayton]

If you came here looking for release info, I've split the topic. As for the the rest of the posts that were here, "They went that-a-way!":jump:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=44879

[nazca_steve]

The next pack is not far off now, hopefully will be released by next week, containing B.6, B(I).6, B.15 and B.16 Canberras. Here are a few shots to whet your appetite.

B.16:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_030.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_032.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_037.jpg

B.6 in Ecuadorian colours:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B6_038.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B6_047.jpg

[nazca_steve]

Well, some good progress made this evening with the weapon effects for the B.16 with Matra rocket pods. Take a look at the extremely fun test flight I took over the hills of a sleepy Cyprus. Hope the wildlife didn't mind the flaming projectiles coming in too much!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_test_028.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_test_030.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_test_036.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_test_035.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_test_037.jpg

B.15 with Nord AS.30 test firing:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_test_038.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_test_040.jpg

Dropping some weight:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/nazca_steve/Canberras/B16_test_042.jpg

[ZsoltB]

http://www.zone-five.net/images/smilies/gobsmacked.gif

Hello Steve,

When it comes to the new package?
Free or paid?

Regards,

Zsolt

[nazca_steve]

From this point on, all payware I'm afraid. But $5 should be relatively kind on your wallet :) The way it works is not everyone likes EVERY kind of Canberra (granted, there are some of us nut-jobs) but you pick and choose what packs you want as they come out. Some more fun ones coming up after this next one.

[ZsoltB]

From this point on, all payware I'm afraid. But $5 should be relatively kind on your wallet :) The way it works is not everyone likes EVERY kind of Canberra (granted, there are some of us nut-jobs) but you pick and choose what packs you want as they come out. Some more fun ones coming up after this next one.

I am interested in all types!

[nazca_steve]

Lol, then you are my favourite customer! All going to plan, I should have the next pack ready this week.

[ZsoltB]

Very good news
I look forward to!

Regards,

Zsolt