FDE Updates for Fiesler Fi-167

[falcon409]

Hopefully the admins will sticky this one and we can keep all the FDE updates separate from everything else. Thanks!:salute:

[Cees Donker]

Done!

:salute:

Cees

[Flyboy208]

Just saw this @ Flightsim ...

FS2004 Fieseler Fi-167 Modifications

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Name: fieselerfix.zip Size: 110,148 Date: 06-04-2010
FS2004 Fieseler Fi-167 Modifications. Original by Kazunori Ito (FI167_TJAQ.ZIP). Changes to the aircraft and air cfg files mainly with minor changes to the panel cfg file also. By Ricardo Jones.


Mike :wavey:

[Hurricane91]

Thanks to Falcon and Cees.

This is the results of my last contact point adjustments.

point.0= 1, -16.235, 0.000, -3.435, 1575, 0, 0.531, 30.000, 0.387, 2.501, 0.635, 5.000, 5.000, 0
point.1= 1, 8.500, -6.000, -9.435, 1575, 1, 0.531, 0.000, 0.643, 2.499, 0.570, 0.000, 0.000, 2
point.2= 1, 8.500, 6.000, -9.435, 1575, 2, 0.531, 0.000, 0.643, 2.499, 0.570, 0.000, 0.000, 3

The first screenshot shows how the model sits. The second and third shots show where the contact points are in relation to the visual model.
The H-295 .air file gives a better representation of the aircraft's low speed capabilities but top speed is too high (perhaps due to the turbine setup).

[fliger747]

Having worked with the contacts and flight dynamics of a number of Ito'san's aircraft, the virtual and visual airplanes can be in very different places! A program such as the dear departed Aircraft Container Manager and also Airwrench can be very helpful in getting one of these on the right road.

Interesting plane, sort of a stringbag Stuka combo. Martlets would have had fun with those! Fixed gear planes have very bad ditching properties!

Cheers: T

[T Square]

fliger747

Having worked with the contacts and flight dynamics of a number of Ito'san's aircraft, the virtual and visual airplanes can be in very different places! A program such as the dear departed Aircraft Container Manager and also Airwrench can be very helpful in getting one of these on the right road.

Interesting plane, sort of a stringbag Stuka combo. Martlets would have had fun with those! Fixed gear planes have very bad ditching properties!



I think it had explosive bolts so the entire srut/wheel assemblys could jettisoned for ditching.

[Hurricane91]

Having worked with the contacts and flight dynamics of a number of Ito'san's aircraft, the virtual and visual airplanes can be in very different places!
Yes, true in this case also, although this one seems fairly close. I have seen some others (not Ito's) where the contacts and visual seemed to be in different counties.

[fliger747]

Ito's twin Mustang made a decent racer after modification, but I recall the virtual and visual planes being something like 10 feet off.

Wonder how sucessful a navalized Bf 109 would have been? Anybody read any on that project?

Glad that Ito'san and Tim Conrad are still producing their "unusual" planes.

Cheers: T

[johnh_049]

Just saw this @ Flightsim ...

FS2004 Fieseler Fi-167 Modifications

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Name: fieselerfix.zip Size: 110,148 Date: 06-04-2010
FS2004 Fieseler Fi-167 Modifications. Original by Kazunori Ito (FI167_TJAQ.ZIP). Changes to the aircraft and air cfg files mainly with minor changes to the panel cfg file also. By Ricardo Jones.


Mike :wavey:

I don't know how correct that fix is, but I can fly the airplane now.:wavey: Thanks

[norab]

FS2004 (ACOF) - FS2004 Warbirds FS2004 Messerschmitt Me 109 T
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Name: me109t.zip (http://www.flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=119001) Size: 3,953,165 Date: 12-28-2007 Downloads: 1,651
http://www.flightsim.com/m/me109t.gif http://www.flightsim.com/wbicons/fcq1.gif http://www.flightsim.com/wbicons/fbq1.gif FS2004 Messerschmitt Me 109 T fighter. The Messerschmitt Me 109T was the projected carrier version of the Me 109E model. By J.R. Lucariny.


If you want to give it a flight

info on thr real bird here

http://www.adlertag.de/flugzeuge/bf109teng.htm


The Bf-109E-1 was used as the basis for a German naval fighter built by Fiesler, the "Bf-109T", with the "T" standing for "Traeger (Carrier)". The "Toni" was to be used on board the German aircraft carriers GRAF ZEPPELIN, which was launched but never completed for operations, and PETER STRASSER, which was never built.

The Bf-109T featured folding wings with longer span, arrester hook in front of the tailwheel, catapult attachment gear, spoilers on top of the wings, interconnected ailerons and flaps, and full-span leading-edge slats. Ten "Bf-109T-0" preproduction aircraft and 60 "Bf-109T-1" production aircraft were ordered from Fiesler, since Messerschmitt was too heavily committed to existing production orders to do the job themselves.
Fiesler delivered the ten Bf-109T-0s. However, work on the carriers was abandoned and the 60 Bf-109Ts were completed in 1941 as land-based fighters designated the "Bf-109T-2", stripped of such carrier-specific gear as could be removed. They had twin MG-17 7.9 millimeter guns in the cowling and an MG-FF cannon under each wing, and were fitted with a centerline rack for bombs or drop tank. They had excellent short-field performance and were assigned to short-length fields in Norway, where they provided excellent service. In 1942, they were moved to the German island of Heligoland and remained in service until 1944.

[aeromed202]

Just tried out the flight fix by Ricardo Jones. It's very flyable and I think that except for an individual's preference of how it ought to fly is a good replacement. But I'm an individual and nitpicker so I'm going to pick on this a bit to make it a bit more responsive. I found it a little too sedate. If anyone else wants I'll post what I do and you can decide. I've found no vids of this aircraft but I think vids of Swordfish and the like are out there for reference.

[johnh_049]

Just tried out the flight fix by Ricardo Jones. It's very flyable and I think that except for an individual's preference of how it ought to fly is a good replacement. But I'm an individual and nitpicker so I'm going to pick on this a bit to make it a bit more responsive. I found it a little too sedate. If anyone else wants I'll post what I do and you can decide. I've found no vids of this aircraft but I think vids of Swordfish and the like are out there for reference.

That would be great. the plane looks too good not to fly properly.:salute: never have been able to get my brain around modifying the flight model.

[Cees Donker]

I'm about to unstick this one as it gets polluted with too many things not FDE. Only FDE posts please.

Cees

[aeromed202]

If no CFG edits here then they will go back to the first thread. Thanks Cees.

[magoo]

A...ummm...proof of theory flight model? Download and remove the "txt" extension and try it out.

She's go a lot of flap, much of it leading edge, trailing, or flaperon. At extreme flap deployment, she will nose down at about thirty knots indicated. Use power and elevator to maintain desired angle of attack. Remember this is a heavy military attack aircraft, not a piper cub or a stearman. She'll make you work.

It's a bit of fantasy, not totally sorted out. I didn't know what the fuel load was, so I moved Mr. Ito's fuel tanks around. Two in the upper wings, one ahead of the cockpit, one beneath the cockpit floor. She'll lift off at about 40-50 knots without flaps, should offer a max indicated speed of around 175 knots at around 5000 feet. I haven't added any weights for a weapons loadout, so this is a recon ship. I might add those weights later....anybody know what the German torpedoes weighed?

I moved the flight model around to match Mr. Ito's 3d model. The wings, contact points, etc, match what you see. With that big prop spinning so far out front, some users may encounter some shaking along the pitch axis when on the ground. If so, add some value to the pitch MOI in the aircraft.cfg.

Remember, dropping full flap on descent, get your nose right down, and/or use power. Don't try a typical glidepath in that configuration, it's a power-on descent, it's a barn door.

No.

..It's a couple of barn doors nailed together.

[magoo]

Those interested please ensure that both of these files are used together. Tossing the air file or the .cfg in with another file may leave you with a can of worms....or not. These files have cut out to fit together.

[Hurricane91]

A...ummm...proof of theory flight model?

Hello Magoo,
That seems to be dialed in pretty well. It acts like an An-12 on short final, lands on a dime but watch that airspeed! I adjusted the pitch moi up a bit, just guessed, but it cured the bouncies. Top speed is as advertised. What you have come up with seems consistent with what I have read about the airplane. It's pretty amazing. Thank you.

John

P.S. If the real Fi-167 flew like this, Hermann should have hung onto it.

[OleBoy]

hmmm..ok. I'm not playing dumb here.

How do I remove the .txt from them?:kilroy:

[whitehawk_2009]

Turn on "Show File Extensions" on in "Folder Options", then just rename to take the .txt off

WH

[Naismith]

With these settings, it doesn't like pushing back, it goes all of a tremble for about 1 minute, then throws itself on its back and buries itself in the tarmac. dead.

[OleBoy]

Turn on "Show File Extensions" on in "Folder Options", then just rename to take the .txt off

WH

Thanks!!

[OleBoy]

With these settings, it doesn't like pushing back, it goes all of a tremble for about 1 minute, then throws itself on its back and buries itself in the tarmac. dead.

It's not quite that bad for me. I have too firewall it to get down the runway before it beats itself to pieces. Someone stashed a good batch of high-bred mexican jumping beans in the plane somewhere!!!:jump::jump::jump:......:jump::jump:

[OleBoy]

Give this pair a try.

[magoo]

Thanks for the input fellows. I moved the empty weight CoG forward and up, let ACM redial the pitch/roll/yaw MOI's, and then twiddled around with almost everything else that was thrown out of wack by the first adjustment. Magic number for full flap descent seems to be 33-34 knots, elevators hard up, pitch controled with throttle. Any less airspeed, you get out-voted by gravity. You may wish to fiddle around with less than full fuel load, and see what numbers are generated, I haven't had time to get to that...

LoL...and it doesn't explode on pushback anymore.

Let's see how this version works.

[Cees Donker]

Bump!

:bump::salute:
Cees

[Z-claudius24]

Hi,

Let you know it's work fine for me ... :jump: :ernae:

Video:
http://www.4shared.com/video/GvO-5wWP/Fi-167-TEST.html