While were into Pusher's!

[peter12213]

Anyone rember this one lol

http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv163/XB-49/FlyingWing1-1.jpg

Blomn & Voss BV-38, Luftwaffe, 1936

Rather cool discussion I found!
http://allaircraftarcade.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=208340&sid=fc51823befd80ec52172ed92a1b18688

[peter12213]

Also could someone tell me the name of this pusher behind the Shinden please I can find no info on it!

http://www.swannysmodels.com/images/J7W1/boxart.jpg

[Matt Wynn]

it's a Ki-98...

http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/19062/7.jpg
http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/19062/8.jpg
http://planet.toybox.me/lurehead/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ki98.jpg

[swimeye]

I was a bit too late...and also wrong by the way. Nice one Smoothie.

[Cazzie]

Thanks Peter and Smoothie, you just gave Piglet two more Peculiar pushers to do for us! :running::d

Caz

[d0mokun]

Is that BV-38 actually a real aeroplane, or is it just something designed for Indy to wreak havoc with?

[peter12213]

Is that BV-38 actually a real aeroplane, or is it just something designed for Indy to wreak havoc with?

I Honestly don't know to be honest, looks cool though doesn't it!

And I think that Ki98 is a lovely looking aircraft and I'd love to have one! Cheers Matt, the fountain of aircraft knowledge you are!

[Matt Wynn]

i'll agree that the KI98 is a real gem, she's great looking and i mean armament wise she packs a punch, speed at altitude ain't bad either... :wiggle: it screams Piglet that :icon_lol:

[Matt Wynn]

BV38 is purely ficticious and made only for the film, it's based off a bundle of late war Luftwaffe flying wing prototypes...

[peter12213]

BV38 is purely ficticious and made only for the film, it's based off a bundle of late war Luftwaffe flying wing prototypes...

Balls to that one then lol!

But the Ki98 is gorgeous, I would love one here ...

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4560/rys057hv3.jpg

[Matt Wynn]

Lets not forget the HP75 Manx :icon_lol:

http://www.deadlybirds.com.br/deadlybirds_blg/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/HP-75-Manx-6.jpg
http://www.deadlybirds.com.br/deadlybirds_blg/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/HP-75-Manx-2.jpg

or the Miles M35/39A... M35 was a piston powere variant, let me find the model image showing the M. series concepts...
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2007/01/images/miles_m39a_proyect_4_send.jpg
^was investigated but never flew...
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2006/06/images/hrubisko_tailless_12.JPG

be good to have an FSX Native AW52 ... i have accurate lineart from that as i helped a friend on it as a 'Technical and analytical consultant', not a pusher prop but a pusher Jet, same concept as the M39A...

http://www.strange-mecha.com/aircraft/FW/aw52.JPG

[peter12213]

I actually forgot about our variants on the pusher design, I wouldn't mind them like to be sure!

[Hurricane91]

A close relative to the Mansyu was the J4M1 Senden. This one by Daisuke Iga is running in FS9/GW3.
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab289/Hurricane91/See%20here/-2010-may-27-018.jpg

[Sundog]

OK, where did you get the J4M1? I have to add that to my FS9 collection. ;)

[Ferry_vO]

OK, where did you get the J4M1? I have to add that to my FS9 collection. ;)


Try this site:

http://www.kawausohermitage.sakura.ne.jp/en/index_en.html

:)

[Gibbage]

BV38 is purely ficticious and made only for the film, it's based off a bundle of late war Luftwaffe flying wing prototypes...

Wrong. It was based off of Northrop pre-war flying wing prototypes. N1M and N9M. This is confirmed by the producers of the film.

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[Matt Wynn]

i wouldn't know there, i'll take your word, Indiana Jones comes on TV i turn it off and go play cricket with a hamster... far more entertaining :icon_lol: no i really go and sit outside and think about what i'm going to do for a while, go back inside find it's still on and feel tempted to put the remote through the screen... :icon_lol: it's one of them films i just can't stand, i like things historically accurate or as close as possible... being Greek born i find 300 a great Film, although lacking of a few thousand Athenians & Arcadians...

back to pusher props.... what about the FW-226? i like it's clean lines, was either Jet powered or with a prop on the nose doing something that wasn't propulsion...

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2003/01/images/kozel_flitzer_06.jpg
http://skyraider.allaboutwarfare.com/files/luftwaffe/Flitzer/Flitzer.htm

[Gibbage]

Meh. Its just another copy of a pre-war US design, the XP-54 Swoose Goose.

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[stiz]

Dh2 was a cracking pusher :jump:

[peter12213]

Dh2 was a cracking pusher :jump:

I agree it was always one of my favourite looking WW1 aircraft!

The XP54 is just ugly!

[Matt Wynn]

Meh. Its just another copy of a pre-war US design, the XP-54 Swoose Goose.

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i know nationalistic pride kicks in but the designs are in actuallity worlds apart... but given the advances over the period it is feasible for 2 opposites to come up with something similar, and it isn't a copy as if i recall the Germans had no knowledge of the Swoose Goose. intelligence or not what they'd have to go on would be very sketchy at best and the aerodynamic principles of such a design not fully understood... 2 alternate nations, 2 different projects sharing a common feature.. a jet twin boom, thats almost like saying today that the Yak-141 is a Harrier rip off, it isn't it's just intel detailed a VTOL aircraft and the Russians pieced 2 and 2 together and got 3.5, they missed .5 on the looks... theres a lot of co-incidental work on this blue marble we live on, in pursuit of a common goal 2 designs or more may come out into the open that are very similar...

yeah DH-2 was a real beauty in WW1 and literally it was a 'Cracking' pusher, due to vibration i think, sorry i'm sketchy tonight guys the girlfriend dropped a hell of a bomb at me earlier... still getting pelted by the shockwaves as we speak, think i may take a week off...

[cko1]

Beech Starship should be a good FS pusher.

Charles, KDTW

[peter12213]

Found this awesome 'what if' image!


http://www.digitalaviationart.com/forums/jsp_750x500_web.jpg

[srgalahad]

Meh. Its just another copy of a pre-war US design, the XP-54 Swoose Goose.

The Vultee XP-54 was one of the more distinct aircraft creations designed during World War 2. Produced through the essentially "empty canvas / blank check" approach by an Army Air Corps initiative (the specification was known as "Request for Data R-40C") , the XP-54 (later nicknamed the "Swoose Goose" by Vultee employees) doomed itself to failure thanks to the integration of a myriad of unproven systems, subsystems, design philosophies and other factors generally out of Vultee's control. Sadly, this single-engine, twin-boom fighter of a most optimistic design would not progress past two "X" developmental aircraft.

The USAAF signed a contract order for the Model 84 (s/n 41-1210) on January 8th, 1941.

The Vultee XP-54 Swoose Goose was finally completed and ready for show in January of 1943. The aircraft was trucked out to the Mojave Desert to be assembled and flown. First flight of the initial XP-54 prototype was achieved on January 15th, 1943 and lasted 30 minutes, being more or less a success. After a move to Wright Field on October 28th, 1943, the Lycoming engine failed irreparably.

The second prototype first flew on March 24th, 1944 in another short test flight this time to Norton Army Air Force Base. Like the first prototype before it, the second prototype's engine inexplicably failed as well, putting an end to the XP-54 legacy - what little there was to it to begin with.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=412

Not what I'd consider either "pre-war" or worth 'copying'...
As Smoothie says, similar specifications and concepts are constantly apt to lead engineers in similar directions at similar times. Note that most tubeliners today are swept-wing with engines on the rear fuselage - that doesn't mean they are all 'copied' from the Sud Caravelle of 1955.

Rob

[Pips]

If you really want to get serious about pushers, you can't go past the D.H.2, or the Gotha G.IV!

[peter12213]

I much prefer the WW2 ones, however the DH2 is a wonderful aircraft!

[pal28uk]

Interesting stuff here:
http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=1239

and here:
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1987/1987%20-%202587.html

[srgalahad]

...and here
http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=3122

[dhasdell]

Let's not forget the Walrus:
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[Matt Wynn]

Let's not forget the Walrus:


how can we forget the Supermarine Walrus.... such a great design...

[peter12213]

I love all those Supermarine amphibs, there all very quirky designs that many of a down airman owes there life too!

[Cag40Navy]

Some really awsome ideas! i might look for some cool ones myself!

[peter12213]

Yeah mate post any unusual ones you find too please!

[Sundog]

Found this awesome 'what if' image!


http://www.digitalaviationart.com/forums/jsp_750x500_web.jpg

That image is by Skyraider3D (http://digitalaviationart.com/skyraider3d/index.htm) and as can be seen at the link, is the cover for Japanese Secret Projects, which has some very interesting Japanese Designs I've never seen anywhere else.

Also, thanks Ferry v0 for the link! :)