Poor Brett Michaels [Archive]

tigisfat

April 28th, 2010, 10:06

I don't even know the guy but I'm sure he has family members and fans who are concerned about him and want to see him get well. The story is only a news item because there are so many people out there with nothing better to do than follow reality-TV personalities. Not like us doing real important stuff like hanging out here at SOH! ;)

That's a fair assessment, but this is a gathering point for a hobby. I strongly hope that noone considers tracking 80's rock stars a hobby.

TARPSBird

April 28th, 2010, 10:23

That's a fair assessment, but this is a gathering point for a hobby. I strongly hope that noone considers tracking 80's rock stars a hobby.
Tig, I'm sure they're out there - probably searching the internet at this very moment to see if David Lee Roth will ever fly over a concert stage again, or when is Pat Benatar's next road tour going to kick off. :d

tigisfat

April 28th, 2010, 10:26

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Tig, I'm sure they're out there - probably searching the internet at this very moment to see if David Lee Roth will ever fly over a concert stage again, or when is Pat Benatar's next road tour going to kick off. :d

Whoa Whoa WHOA! Let us never compare Diamond Dave to bret michaels again, thank you.

OBIO

April 28th, 2010, 10:38

Do I feel for Brett because he was the front man of a once-upon-a-time good band? Nope. Do I feel for Brett because he has a reality show (which I have never seen nor heard of)? Nope. Do I feel for Brett because "but by the will of God go I"? Yes. Anyone of us could face the same issues at any moment, and I for one would like for someone to care that I am not doing well and could quite possibly die. Check Coles Catalogue (https://www.ladysavings.com/publix-weekly-ad/?coles/) and Woolworths Catalogue (https://www.ladysavings.com/publix-weekly-ad/?woolworths/).
I also would like for someone out there to care enough to say a prayer or two for my recovery or a peaceful death...which ever is the will of God/Mother Nature/The Universe/who or what ever you believe is in charge of things.

OBIO

MudMarine

April 28th, 2010, 10:50

lifejogger

April 28th, 2010, 10:54

I have never heard o fthe guy but he probably has friends and family that care about him and I hope he recovers. Sometimes things like this can change a persons life for the better.

tigisfat

April 28th, 2010, 11:55

Do I feel for Brett because he was the front man of a once-upon-a-time good band? Nope. Do I feel for Brett because he has a reality show (which I have never seen nor heard of)? Nope. Do I feel for Brett because "but by the will of God go I"? Yes. Anyone of us could face the same issues at any moment, and I for one would like for someone to care that I am not doing well and could quite possibly die. I also would like for someone out there to care enough to say a prayer or two for my recovery or a peaceful death...which ever is the will of God/Mother Nature/The Universe/who or what ever you believe is in charge of things.

OBIO

That's a decent sentiment, but if you or I had such a medical problem, it wouldn't be national news.

Snuffy

April 28th, 2010, 11:59

That's a decent sentiment, but if you or I had such a medical problem, it wouldn't be national news.

How bout that !!!

You and Obio aren't celebutards either ... (except maybe in your own minds! LOL!! ) :bump:

Gdavis101

April 28th, 2010, 12:08

Do I feel bad for him because he is a human being and he is in pain.. Yes, to a certain extent. But, do I feel bad for him because he is a celebrity and is in this condition, no! It really isn't news and if one of us were in the same situation there would be no mention of it, well except maybe for here.

I feel the same way about the whole Tiger thing, tired of it.. It's not news and it never was!

You almost get the impression the media has become "stupider" the last couple of years by reporting stuff like this instead of things that are going on around the world.. What happened to Afghanistan? Iraq for that matter?

:salute:

Snuffy

April 28th, 2010, 12:13

Well then Tigs, I'm sure you can get behind this one too then eh?

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/28/can-lindsay-lohan-be-saved/

tigisfat

April 28th, 2010, 12:23

Well then Tigs, I'm sure you can get behind this one too then eh?

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/28/can-lindsay-lohan-be-saved/

I have even less concern for that. Maybe a few Brett Michaels fans would want to know if he was near death, but does anyone want to know about someone's drug addiction?

cheezyflier

April 28th, 2010, 12:24

You almost get the impression the media has become "stupider" the last couple of years by reporting stuff like this instead of things that are going on around the world.. What happened to Afghanistan? Iraq for that matter?

:salute:

i've said it before, and i haven't yet tired of it.

when people begin to make their voices heard with their wallets, the media will be forced to offer better content. until then, we can all enjoy the drivel we clamor for by spending our money to support them.

by "we" i mean everyone who is not me. i do not listen to the radio, pay for or watch television, buy magazines or newspapers.

tigisfat

April 28th, 2010, 12:32

i've said it before, and i haven't yet tired of it.

when people begin to make their voices heard with their wallets, the media will be forced to offer better content. until then, we can all enjoy the drivel we clamor for by spending our money to support them.

by "we" i mean everyone who is not me. i do not listen to the radio, pay for or watch television, buy magazines or newspapers.

I don't watch TV or listen to the radio, but I do rent movies and buy magazines. I figure I get to pick my movies and magazines. Usually 'flying' magazine isn't filled with drivel.

Anyone who watches a lot of cable TV gets their viewing almost chosen for them, even if they hold the remote.

djscoo

April 28th, 2010, 13:23

i've said it before, and i haven't yet tired of it.

when people begin to make their voices heard with their wallets, the media will be forced to offer better content. until then, we can all enjoy the drivel we clamor for by spending our money to support them.

by "we" i mean everyone who is not me. i do not listen to the radio, pay for or watch television, buy magazines or newspapers.

You could technically listen to the radio or watch broadcast TV if you wanted to.Viewership/audience is determined by a very few who represent your region as a whole. It doesn't matter if you never turn your TV on, because you are being represented by the people who do watch TV, and report to ACNeilson/Arbitron. Something like 99.9% of TV viewers are represented by that .1% who are selected by the market research firms. So unless you have a portable radio meter on you and a set-top box from Neilson, your plan doesn't really work.

TARPSBird

April 28th, 2010, 15:47

I fear Lindsey Lohan is one of the front-runners in the "Celebrity Dead Pool" within the next year or so. :frown:
This recent picture of her suggests she's already got one foot in the grave.

tigisfat

April 28th, 2010, 15:52

I fear Lindsey Lohan is one of the front-runners in the "Celebrity Dead Pool" within the next year or so. :frown:
This recent picture of her suggests she's already got one foot in the grave.

Gross, she probably thinks she's hot too.

TARPSBird

April 28th, 2010, 16:22

Lindsey was still hot as recently as her famous "DUI cell phone pic" 2-3 years ago. She's had a hard time keeping her sh*t together since then. There have been a lot more pics of her totally trashed at various parties and events, often early in the evening when everybody else is still straight-up. I think back to my time in the Navy, when one of our guys got that way we usually intervened and took his drunk ass back to the ship. No caring friends around to do that with Lindsey, just a bunch of leeches. Maybe her family can pull her back from where she's headed.

tigisfat

April 28th, 2010, 16:23

Ken Stallings

April 28th, 2010, 17:11

Do you feel bad for him? There's something about a washed up, conceited, drugged out, makeup wearing has-been that makes me cringe. This clown has no sense of reality. Why is this headline news? Am I supposed to care at all?

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Wellness/bret-michaels-prognosis-full-recovery-dangers-remain/story?id=10482682

I'm not aware that Bret Michaels has done anything evil in this life. And other than him being a singer for a rock band, I have no insights into his lifestyle. I do not know for a fact if he's been a drug addict, but even if he were, it should not change a simple human compassion for someone in the hospital with a critical condition.

Whether you care at all is frankly your personal choice.

But, the fact is that I do care in the same sense that I care about all human beings. Unless you can show me someone who has brought evil and suffering upon other innocent people, I shall always reserve sympathy for an adverse situation and sincerely wish him well.

Ken

Ken Stallings

April 28th, 2010, 17:14

That's a decent sentiment, but if you or I had such a medical problem, it wouldn't be national news.

No, it was more than merely "decent." It was actually humane, which I think is a rather important human characteristic to possess willingly.

If you think I'm drawing a negative reaction here, then you would be correct.

Ken

Ken Stallings

April 28th, 2010, 17:16

cheezyflier

April 28th, 2010, 19:02

You could technically listen to the radio or watch broadcast TV if you wanted to.Viewership/audience is determined by a very few who represent your region as a whole. It doesn't matter if you never turn your TV on, because you are being represented by the people who do watch TV, and report to ACNeilson/Arbitron. Something like 99.9% of TV viewers are represented by that .1% who are selected by the market research firms. So unless you have a portable radio meter on you and a set-top box from Neilson, your plan doesn't really work.

wrong.
my plan, like i stated in my post was for EVERYONE OTHER THAN MYSELF to voice their opinion with their wallets. if EVERYONE OTHER THAN MYSELF did this, it would certainly include the 1% you mentioned. you see, if no one is listening to the radio or television it ceases to become a viable form of advertisement.
i'm sure the geniuses who control those particular media would be able to figure out public opinion if said public turned their back on them, even if it didn't include the 1% who make up the neilson ratings.

djscoo

April 28th, 2010, 19:25

wrong.
my plan, like i stated in my post was for EVERYONE OTHER THAN MYSELF to voice their opinion with their wallets. if EVERYONE OTHER THAN MYSELF did this, it would certainly include the 1% you mentioned. you see, if no one is listening to the radio or television it ceases to become a viable form of advertisement.
i'm sure the geniuses who control those particular media would be able to figure out public opinion if said public turned their back on them, even if it didn't include the 1% who make up the neilson ratings.

I understand what you are saying, but are there seriously no radio/TV programs that you like?

Snuffy

April 29th, 2010, 03:18

I understand what you are saying, but are there seriously no radio/TV programs that you like?

None for me pretty much.

I have the radio on in the truck while driving for background noise, but its barely audible, while home the tv never plays and the sterio sits quietly.

The only tv I do watch is usually news and weather.

cheezyflier

April 29th, 2010, 06:27

there may be some i could watch. the simpsons, for example.
but there are none that i find good enough to be worth the commercials, the product placement, the subtle and not so subtle subversion of morality and public opinion through children. the general culture brainwash.

as for the radio, working in construction is what turned me off of that. 25 years of hearing the same songs by led zeppelin, pink floyd, the who, and the inane chatter of the dj, as well as the commercials. i like choosing what i feed my head.

tigisfat

April 29th, 2010, 06:54

No, it was more than merely "decent." It was actually humane, which I think is a rather important human characteristic to possess willingly.Ken, that's precisely what I meant, and also precisely what the true definition of 'decent' is.

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If you think I'm drawing a negative reaction here, then you would be correct.

KenCheers, Ken. :ernae:

boxcar

April 29th, 2010, 06:57

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i like choosing what i feed my head.

Absolutely. No TV here either for many years for exactly the same reasons, very little selective radio. Good to know there are others.

tigisfat

April 29th, 2010, 07:22

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Absolutely. No TV here either for many years for exactly the same reasons, very little selective radio. Good to know there are others.

As for radio, very little's good and I refuse to let classic rock stations cheapen what I hold dear. Like he said, they destroy good bands. I can't ever listen to the who again after years of classic rock radio and then the superbowl. I don't want led zep ruined, and they've about done it with pink floyd, who I used to LOVE.

As for TV, I'm sure you know boxcar,

if you go years without it and then watch a popular show, you really think it's DUMB and contrived. There's some show about a spy in Florida I watched the other day at my brother's house, and I absolutely could not believe how bad the acting, writing, screenplay and cinematography was. I felt like someone in marketing was holding a banana out of the TV and taunting me with it..."c'mon, you're all dumb, right? you like explosions and stuff..."

Quixoticish

April 29th, 2010, 07:41

To all those without televisions and radios, do you read books?

boxcar

April 29th, 2010, 07:47

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...if you go years without it and then watch a popular show, you really think it's DUMB and contrived.

Boy, howdy! Will drop by a friend's home from time to time & there will be some TV program on & it's difficult to know what is more amazing: the consistent, smart-alecky "wit" of the program's writing staff or my friends' enthrallment over the show.

Powerful stuff, the media is, able to draw money out of participants at will. Hitler & Orwell must both turn in their graves over the power of the media these days... like "fair & balanced", for example. Say it enough & it gets programmed.... or, as I expressed it elsewhere recently:

"We mobilize our vast, global press machinery to spread conservative & corporate interests, presenting believable rhetoric convincing of corporations & politicians fighting for you to impart a sense of caring for the people; you decide."

Not picking on FOX here as much as I am giving an apt example, imo.
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Back more on the OP topic, am also one always trying to see the humanity behind the celebrity train-wrecks that the media make so much money over. Sad stories, most, though ones that indeed should not be getting so very much attention, imo.
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And yes, Chris: I do read books & am very selective with them as well. Long live good books. :)
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tigisfat

April 29th, 2010, 09:45

To all those without televisions and radios, do you read books?

I should read more, but lately it's been all text books.

Snuffy

April 29th, 2010, 10:48

To all those without televisions and radios, do you read books?

More often than not, but with books I get to choose what I put into my head ... thank you very much.

Oh, and its not like I don't have a tv or a radio ... I selectively choose not to play them every second of every day.

Snuffy

April 29th, 2010, 10:49

Lindsey was still hot as recently as her famous "DUI cell phone pic" 2-3 years ago. ...

Yer kidding .... right?!!? :mixedsmi:

TARPSBird

April 29th, 2010, 10:57

Yer kidding .... right?!!? :mixedsmi:
I'm referring to pics of her in that time frame, not the one of her passed out in the car. :icon_lol:

Snuffy

April 29th, 2010, 11:02

I'm referring to pics of her in that time frame, not the one of her passed out in the car. :icon_lol:

Ummm .... so was I ... :kilroy:

Quixoticish

April 29th, 2010, 11:15

More often than not, but with books I get to choose what I put into my head ... thank you very much.

Oh, and its not like I don't have a tv or a radio ... I selectively choose not to play them every second of every day.

Your reply confuses me. I specifically queried "those without televisions and radios".

You confess to owning both and watching or listening occasionally, yet still feel you have some kind of point to make about "what you put into your head".

There seems to be a rather trendy movement at the moment that derides the "idiot box" and holds it in contempt.

You can choose what to watch in the same way you can choose what to read, what to listen to, what to eat, what to do when you get out of bed in the morning. No-one is forcing things into your mind.

Snuffy

April 29th, 2010, 11:22

You obviously have no problem with mindless television programs, or commercials then.

Good for you Chris, go merrily on your way through life.

The predicament to your question though is that everyone here that has confessed to not watching television has not stated that they do not own one .... just that they choose not to watch ...

So your "survey" (query,) would be flawed. :wiggle:

djscoo

April 29th, 2010, 11:57

You obviously have no problem with mindless television programs, or commercials then.

I think television is only mindless if you make it mindless. I agree that there is a problem with shutting off your brain, sitting in front of a TV and absorbing everything that is told to you. That said, there are other options to just refusing to participate in the whole thing. There is plenty of valuable information available for interpretation through television programming. As Cheezy said, there is also a lot of subliminal, perhaps even unconscious messaging which can be harmful if you let it.

cheezyflier

April 29th, 2010, 13:47

i read alot, although what i read is rather lowbrow. tom clancy, dean kootz, michael chrichton, ian rankin, james pattison, mario puzo, stuff like that. about the only intellectual stuff i read is the bible, and c.s. lewis

GT182

April 29th, 2010, 16:04

I have even less concern for that. Maybe a few Brett Michaels fans would want to know if he was near death, but does anyone want to know about someone's drug addiction?

Needles he used were for childhood diabetes, not drugs. And it's a well know fact he is a diabetic since the age 6. As for other types of drugs, I have no idea. So I won't judge him as being a drug addict.

And yes I feel sorry for him...... just like everyone that's asked for thoughts and prayers here on SOH.

Ken Stallings

April 29th, 2010, 16:21

Needles he used were for childhood diabetes, not drugs. And it's a well know fact he is a diabetic since the age 6. As for other types of drugs, I have no idea. So I won't judge him as being a drug addict.

And yes I feel sorry for him...... just like everyone that's asked for thoughts and prayers here on SOH.

This is a powerful revelation I think!

Tigisfat, given your prior reaction to my comments, perhaps I can post again and established an improved foundation of common understanding between us.

My view is that the only thing that should be different when someone is in the hospital with a critical condition whether your mother or a stranger is the depth of your emotional anguish, not the basic degree of human sympathy.

And to repeat, the only time your degree of human sympathy should be varied is if said person brought pain and suffering upon innocent people through deliberate actions.

One of the few reasons you offered for your clearly expressed lack of sympathy was the presumption he was a drug addict. Now, it seems my urgings we not make such a conclusion without facts, was a good idea. It seems perhaps the man used needles for a known medical condition and under the legal care of a doctor.

To my way of thinking, your initial post to create this thread reveals that someone you associate musical fame and fortune, and presumed drug use, as valid criteria to espouce less sympathy for a human's adverse medical condition. Beyond the truth that tomorrow the same fate could find any of us, I just think the thread was ill advised.

Perhaps you see it differently, but I think you hurt yourself by doing it.

Ken

Ken Stallings

April 29th, 2010, 16:32

MCDesigns

April 29th, 2010, 16:52

Do you feel bad for him? There's something about a washed up, conceited, drugged out, makeup wearing has-been that makes me cringe. This clown has no sense of reality. Why is this headline news? Am I supposed to care at all?

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Wellness/bret-michaels-prognosis-full-recovery-dangers-remain/story?id=10482682

Curious, is there a reason why you feel the need to dog/judge a person in the media you know close to nothing about that is going thru a tough time? I could replace Brets name with anyones and your post would still be just plain hateful.

I've met Bret twice (when I was a mucisian he was an influence) and based off those meetings, what I do know of him and from him being in the music business he was a pretty nice guy, not concieted, not strung out and fairly intelliegent. My prayers are with him and I hope he pulls thru.

cheezyflier

April 29th, 2010, 17:32

i once read an interview with steve whiteman from the band "kix" who claimed that poison stole their act. true or false i don't know.

tigisfat

April 29th, 2010, 18:11

I decided to do a small bit on internet research.

Wikipedia confirms his diabetes at age 6:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bret_Michaels

I also learned that he has done a fair number of USO shows overseas. Considering how few rock stars do this, I think it speaks pretty well to the guy's character that he did!

On the other hand, it does seem in that research that he did recreational drugs and I totally disagree with that. But, again, it doesn't affect my sympathy for his situation. But, all the stuff I read said he was never a drug addict.

OK, I think I've beat the horse enough!

Cheers,

Ken

I saw an interview with him on some cable TV show, and he talked about how drugged out he was for a long time. He also mentioned how he used to sell drugs, and most of the interview was talking about what a shady person he was and all the horrible things he did. He laughed about all the jilted girlfriends and such. They brought characters back from prior periods in his life, and none of them had a single good thing to say about him, it was all about the things he'd done to them.

I guess I should've mentioned that before. I figured everyone knew that kind of thing. The guy just isn't for me, gentlemen. You are what you do. I'm reminded of a Somali pirate's mother on TV after his capture, talking about how he was a good boy who'd just fallen in with a bad crowd. It's unfortunate, but just because he was a good boy doesn't mean he didn't try to hijack a vessel.

What was all this talk about how criminals can 'rot in prison' and how some needed to get killed on the spot we've had around here of late? Bret Michaels has had his share of run-ins with the law, including a high-speed escapade when he was drunk and high, or something. I don't know. He could've killed innocent people when he wrecked his ferrari.

My post was more about the fact that some random celebrity was making headline news with an illness many people have. They don't get the same attention. "Should I care?" was more asking why he should be treated differently. He's by no means a wonderful soul who's done nothing but good his whole life.

I'm not out to hate the guy (it may sound like it, but I'm just proving he's not a saint) I just can't believe what makes the news. He is nothing more than an example to me of what shouldn't make the news. It's very possible he wants to go through this in private. Even if I think he was a slimeball, he still deserves that respect.

MCDesigns

April 29th, 2010, 18:15

i once read an interview with steve whiteman from the band "kix" who claimed that poison stole their act. true or false i don't know.

Interesting, I've seen KIX several times and while they put on a very high energy show, it's nothing like a Poison show. Plus KIX never really got the breaks that POISON did, so there may be some rivalry there. Hell when I was playing out, we all stole ideas from each other and any video we saw, LOL. Funny I remember when Lynch Mob came out and they played in Austin, George Lynch had these fans on the side of the stage that created a cool effect while playing. After that show every local band copied that idea, LOL.

tigisfat

April 29th, 2010, 18:18

Interesting, I've seen KIX several times and while they put on a very high energy show, it's nothing like a Poison show. Plus KIX never really got the breaks that POISON did, so there may be some rivalry there. Hell when I was playing out, we all stole ideas from each other and any video we saw, LOL. Funny I remember when Lynch Mob came out and they played in Austin, George Lynch had these fans on the side of the stage that created a cool effect while playing. After that show every local band copied that idea, LOL.

what'd the fans do for the cool effect?

Ken Stallings

April 29th, 2010, 19:05

What was all this talk about how criminals can 'rot in prison' and how some needed to get killed on the spot we've had around here of late? Bret Michaels has had his share of run-ins with the law, including a high-speed escapade when he was drunk and high, or something. I don't know. He could've killed innocent people when he wrecked his ferrari.

I did mention twice that those who bring pain and suffering to others can, and should, have a different degree of sypmathy accorded when something unfortunate finds them.

By saying "I don't know," are you meaning you are not sure about the whole story or just if he was drunk or high? Yeah, if he killed someone then that would surely bring pain and suffering through deliberate actions. But, that did not happen, did it?

Precisely one person in this thread has claimed personal insight into the man, and that member I've known for many years here and have a lot of personal respect for. If he says the dude was a good person, then I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm forced again to say you have a frightfully slim resume to sustain such a shockingly small degree of sympathy. The man might die soon. I guess this is truly the message you wish to put forth.

This guy isn't Charlie Manson, Osama bin Laden, or Slobodan Milosivitch! I just don't see it man! And the more you clarify it, the less I see in it.

Ken

TARPSBird

April 29th, 2010, 19:14

Well, here we go again. Fasten your seat belts folks, looks like we're in for a bumpy ride... :frown:

tigisfat

April 29th, 2010, 20:24

I did mention twice that those who bring pain and suffering to others can, and should, have a different degree of sypmathy accorded when something unfortunate finds them.

By saying "I don't know," are you meaning you are not sure about the whole story or just if he was drunk or high? Yeah, if he killed someone then that would surely bring pain and suffering through deliberate actions. But, that did not happen, did it?

Precisely one person in this thread has claimed personal insight into the man, and that member I've known for many years here and have a lot of personal respect for. If he says the dude was a good person, then I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm forced again to say you have a frightfully slim resume to sustain such a shockingly small degree of sympathy. The man might die soon. I guess this is truly the message you wish to put forth.

This guy isn't Charlie Manson, Osama bin Laden, or Slobodan Milosivitch! I just don't see it man! And the more you clarify it, the less I see in it.

Ken

Yes, I have sympathy for those that are sick.

No, I don't think Bret Michaels is a saint. I wasn't saying he was evil, either. You asked what he's ever done to anyone, so to speak, so I told you. I wasn't out to bash the guy, you asked why I thought he was an unsavory character. I don't need to personally know him, I saw him admit being a troublemaker on national TV. I'll also believe the testimonies of those that knew him well (even though they're not in this thread, as you said) from the same show.

No, I don't think he deserves it because of the above.

No, I don't think this is worthy of any media attention. There are plenty of people with the same problem.

Other than that, I don't even think this topic is deserving of that much attention. It was meant to be a simple thread with a handful of posts making fun of the media attention one sick troublemaker from the 80's got. I worded it too strongly, but it had already normalized again when you came back with several more posts to stoke the coals. I had no idea you felt so strongly about Bret Michaels, but I don't like or dislike him enough to continue any debate about his character or health.

Ken, I apologize for all the offense you've taken in this thread (and anyone else too), and you win. I forfeit any percieved argument or debate here, and you are right on all accounts.