JohnC--"rim"ember the '50s--PacRim jetblast

[jkcook28]

Kicking off leg one YPDN-->WIIH. A-4C

[jkcook28]

Down safe at WIIH.

Fuel used: 5765.4 lbs.

Indonesian bonus: -30 min.

Night landing #1

pic of Daves' J-29 landing just after.

[MaddogK]

From your duenna log:


24/04/2010 15:11:54; -10.927512; 126.107162; 30156; -1; 623; 396; 0
24/04/2010 15:21:55; -10.422587; 124.429963; 30159; -15; 623; 396; 0
24/04/2010 15:31:56; -10.098641; 122.718055; 30156; 0; 624; 397; 0
24/04/2010 15:41:56; -9.805911; 120.999953; 30156; 0; 624; 397; 0
24/04/2010 15:51:56; -9.452262; 119.317725; 29987; 0; 611; 394; 0
24/04/2010 16:01:57; -9.073615; 117.646881; 29987; 0; 611; 395; 0
24/04/2010 16:11:57; -8.677689; 115.980488; 29986; 0; 611; 395; 0
24/04/2010 16:21:57; -8.302891; 114.310045; 30152; 27; 617; 397; 0
24/04/2010 16:31:58; -7.919651; 112.632844; 30126; 0; 615; 397; 0
24/04/2010 16:41:58; -7.527997; 110.967346; 30031; 22; 612; 396; 0
24/04/2010 16:51:58; -7.100337; 109.317399; 30077; 0; 611; 397; 0
24/04/2010 17:01:59; -6.544936; 107.705993; 30070; 0; 611; 397; 0

M .98 for almost 2 hours, 874 gallons used for 1466.9 nm.

...Looks like you're gonna be the winner.

[salt_air]

:jawdrop: dam John!.....Nice one.

[jkcook28]

From your duenna log:



M .98 for almost 2 hours, 874 gallons used for 1466.9 nm.

...Looks like you're gonna be the winner.


I tested a bunch of airplanes Maddog, and it's why I chose the A-4. Had a tailwind the whole route too. Dave for sure, and perhaps others will beat me in fuel economy; we shall see on speed...

[Dangerousdave26]

Dave for sure, ..

I am employing Secret Rosewell Alien Technology that the Swedish bought from the US...

We put Moth balls in the fuel tank before we take off. :icon_lol:

[jkcook28]

Leg two, WIIH-->WSSS. A-4C

[jkcook28]

Safely down WSSS.

Fuel used: 2090.5 lbs.

Night landing #2

Singapore bonus: -30 min.

[jkcook28]

Next up: WSSS-->WMKJ. A-4C

[jkcook28]

Down safe WMKJ.

Fuel used: 299.2 lbs.

Night landing #3

Malaysia bonus: -30 min.

[jkcook28]

One more for tonight: WMKJ-->VVTS. A-4C

[MaddogK]

I tested a bunch of airplanes Maddog, and it's why I chose the A-4. Had a tailwind the whole route too. Dave for sure, and perhaps others will beat me in fuel economy; we shall see on speed...

heh, I'm not complaining. I'm just amazed you kept it subsonic considering the top speed is 649kts, and 50 kts faster than my 'A' model thats faster IRL than the 'C' (by 20 kts). Even your fuel consumption is surprising considering the A-4 is supposed to get only 1800 miles with 1800 gallons, and you got 1400 on 875 gallons.

Nice plane, one day I'll have to buy them Razbam thingy's.

[Dangerousdave26]

Nice plane, one day I'll have to buy them Razbam thingy's.

Pack 1 $19.95 from FS Pilot shop

http://www.fspilotshop.com/index.php?cPath=2_69_20&tags=&sort=2a&filter_id=39

Just bought it today so I could see him in it.

Nice plane

[MaddogK]

Pack 1 $19.95 from FS Pilot shop

http://www.fspilotshop.com/index.php?cPath=2_69_20&tags=&sort=2a&filter_id=39

Just bought it today so I could see him in it.

Nice plane

LOL, I'm still paying off the 30 bucks for the Alpha Sabre I wont be using.

[jkcook28]

Safe @ VVTS.

Fuel used: 2920 lbs.

South Vietnam bonus: -30 min.

[jkcook28]

heh, I'm not complaining. I'm just amazed you kept it subsonic considering the top speed is 649kts, and 50 kts faster than my 'A' model thats faster IRL than the 'C' (by 20 kts). Even your fuel consumption is surprising considering the A-4 is supposed to get only 1800 miles with 1800 gallons, and you got 1400 on 875 gallons.

Nice plane, one day I'll have to buy them Razbam thingy's.

I don't build 'em; I just fly 'em. Can't quote any real world numbers either because I don't care. All jets are notorious for incorrect fuel use in the sim; some worse than others.
I'm having fun. Don't care squat if I win.
Go fly now Maddog! :running:

[Vicious]

Now that's a hot leg. WTG!! :salute:

Vicious

[jkcook28]

Next up is VVTS-->VDMK. A-4C

[jkcook28]

Down safe VDMK.

Fuel used: 600.9 lbs.

TOTAL fuel used to date: 11,676 lbs. (for Rob:d)

Cambodia bonus: -30 min.

edit: goo weather and a dirt strip; as usual it clears up on rollout...

[jkcook28]

Time to visit uncle Ho in Haiphong. VDMK-->VVCI. A-4C

[gandy]

John on your third leg it looks like you was flying at mach 1 which is not allowed, 661 knots GS is mach 1 and you was flying at 662 knots GS. I could be wrong as my math is not that great but it does look like you broke the sound barrier on that flight.

[MaddogK]

John on your third leg it looks like you was flying at mach 1 which is not allowed, 661 knots GS is mach 1 and you was flying at 662 knots GS. I could be wrong as my math is not that great but it does look like you broke the sound barrier on that flight.

Ya, max IAS was 701, snuck it in between duenna samples. Kinda hard to say 'overspeed' in a dive when the max alt was 5k feet.

:wiggle:

[srgalahad]

John on your third leg it looks like you was flying at mach 1 which is not allowed, 661 knots GS is mach 1 and you was flying at 662 knots GS. I could be wrong as my math is not that great but it does look like you broke the sound barrier on that flight.

661 knots GS is mach 1
First, GS is variable with the relative head/tail wind so it's no use.
However, "given a standard temperature condition of 15c, the speed of sound at sea level is 661 knots." Note: that's at ISA (29.92" and 15*C)

.. and that's one of the flaws with using "mach". It's a variable. It is dependent on temperature and air density which will vary in r/l and the sim. On one test flight I did, I zigzagged back and forth across the northern hemisphere jet stream. M 0.89 stayed constant and the IAS varied somewhere in the range of +20 to -10 kts as I went from the 'warm' side to the 'cold' for a period of about 30 minutes.

For our testing purposes, MSFS "Clear" wx is used to recreate ISA which would be calculated by flight test engineers to obtain performance data, or in our case, the ability (or not) to reach M 1.00 in level flight at a variety of altitudes. Once in operation (ie the race) Real World Wx and altitudes then adds in temp and density so IAS vs Mach is now not constant.

Here is a reference I found to explain why the website does NOT include Mach numbers in there data...
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/mach.asp

Rob

[Dangerousdave26]

John on your third leg it looks like you was flying at mach 1 which is not allowed, 661 knots GS is mach 1 and you was flying at 662 knots GS. I could be wrong as my math is not that great but it does look like you broke the sound barrier on that flight.

What is not allowed is an aircraft that can achieve Mach 1 under its own power. What you saw there was a 180 degree wind shift that threw the aircraft over mach 1. The aircraft can only produce enough power to fly in level flight .98 Mach. Which does not give you a whole lot of wind shift room before you break the sound barrier.

Which brings us to a story you should hear Rob tell about an air traffic control towers inaugural celebration.

The aircraft John is flying has a max mach number of 1.20 which the aircraft can only reach in a very steep dive. This is far more accurate than having an aircraft like the F-86 with a max mach of .99 when the real aircraft could exceed mach 1 in a dive.

[MaddogK]

LOL, Touche' DD. Discredit the messenger. Surely you don't mean my F-86 that goes overspeed at M. 1.02, much less realistic than an A-4 that goes overspeed at M 1.2, and runs M 0.98 all day long.

...now isn't this fun ? I love the part about the undocumented wind shift.

[jkcook28]

Down @ VVCI.

Fuel used: 2757.3 lbs.

Total used: 14,433.3

North Vietnam bonus: -30 min.

[gandy]

What is not allowed is an aircraft that can achieve Mach 1 under its own power. What you saw there was a 180 degree wind shift that threw the aircraft over mach 1. The aircraft can only produce enough power to fly in level flight .98 Mach. Which does not give you a whole lot of wind shift room before you break the sound barrier.

Which brings us to a story you should hear Rob tell about an air traffic control towers inaugural celebration.

The aircraft John is flying has a max mach number of 1.20 which the aircraft can only reach in a very steep dive. This is far more accurate than having an aircraft like the F-86 with a max mach of .99 when the real aircraft could exceed mach 1 in a dive.

you could be right but i would expect the tail and head wind to be a little higher. can i have a link to the aircraft please :)

[jkcook28]

Off to Macau, VVCI-->VMMC. A-4C

[Dangerousdave26]

you could be right but i would expect the tail and head wind to be a little higher. can i have a link to the aircraft please :)

http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_69_20&products_id=307

[jkcook28]

Down safe VMMC.

Fuel used: 1844.9 lbs.

Total fuel used: 16,278.2 lbs.

Macau bonus: -30 min.

[jkcook28]

Quick jog to Hong Kong. VMMC-->VHHX

[jkcook28]

Down again at VHHX

Fuel used: 334.8 lbs.

Total fuel used: 16,613 lbs.

Hong Kong bonus: -30 min.

[jkcook28]

Heading out VHHX-->RCTP. A-4C

[jkcook28]

Down safe RCTP.

Fuel used: 2105.2 lbs.

Total used: 18,718.2 lbs.

Republic of China (Formosa) bonus: -30 min.

[jkcook28]

One last leg for today: RCTP-->RKPD. A-4C

[Vicious]

WTG on another smokin hot leg. Over 600 kts GS average!! I don't think my jet could do that in a hurricane.

Vicious

[jkcook28]

Thx V, the wind is your friend! :d

[jkcook28]

Down safe @ RKPD

Fuel used: 2731 lbs.

Total used: 21,449.2 lbs.

South Korea bonus: -30 min.

[Vicious]

Another fast leg! I think you must be using those missles as JATO packs. BTW, what are those missiles supposed to be? They kind of look like HARM's, but they seem a bit on the small side.

Vicious

[jkcook28]

Another fast leg! I think you must be using those missles as JATO packs. BTW, what are those missiles supposed to be? They kind of look like HARM's, but they seem a bit on the small side.

Vicious

That's a good question on those missiles Vicious. The aircraft depicts Commander Everett Alvarez Jr. Aug. 5 1964 aircraft, the first American shot down and taken prisoner; for 8.5 yrs. Too early to be HARMS, to big to be (and don't look like) sidewinders. Maybe some flavor of early Sparrow or whatever preceded it. I'm sure one of our resident Navy experts can chime in to ID it.

http://www.military.com/Content/MoreContent?file=ML_alvarez_bkp

[MaddogK]

C'mon John, get in there and finish. I'm the one with the problem so I quit, no reason for you and DD to also.

[jkcook28]

Back in the game, RKPD-->RJTY. A-4C

[jkcook28]

Down safe RJTY. Much tailwind!

Fuel used: 1966.8 lbs.

Total used: 23,416 lbs.

Japan bonus: -30 min.

[jkcook28]

And away to Mother Russia. RJTY-->UHPP. A-4C :gameon:

[jkcook28]

arrived UHPP.

Fuel used: 5785.3 lbs.

Total used: 29,201.3 lbs.

[jkcook28]

Across the water UHPP-->PAED. A-4C

[jkcook28]

Down safe on fumes. That was way closer on gas than I expected. 15 gal/100lbs-ish left. Some day I may fly east and actually get a tailwind...

Fuel used: 7902.6 lbs. (left with 8010.9:kilroy:)

Total used: 37,103.9 lbs.

[jkcook28]

My current time thru Anchorage (PAED) using duenna Baton time:

Total time: 14:05:48

Bonus time: 5:30:00

Corrected total time: 8:35:48


Two legs to go and Canada bonus...:running:

[jkcook28]

Off for the Canadian bonus. PAED-->CYZP. A-4C

[smilo]

Off for the Canadian bonus. PAED-->CYZP. A-4C

hey John...:stop:

party at KNUW...:stop:

pickup some beer in Canada
and bring it by...:stop:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...t=35448&page=3 (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=35448&page=3)

[jkcook28]

Down safe at Sandspit (CYZP).

Fuel used: 3356.6 lbs.

Total used: 40,460.5 lbs.

Canada bonus: -30 min.

Total bonus: 6:00:00 (done)

Total flight time: 15:27:08

Corrected total time: 9:27:08

It be raining here too.:frown:

[smilo]

Down safe at Sandspit (CYZP).

Fuel used: 3356.6 lbs.

Total used: 40,460.5 lbs.

Canada bonus: -30 min.

Total bonus: 6:00:00 (done)

Total flight time: 15:27:08

Corrected total time: 9:27:08

It be raining here too.:frown:

Welcome to the Pacific Northwest.
now you know why we have webbed feet
and wear these funny hats.
sure is green, isn't it?

[jkcook28]

Off to the Kalifornia desert. CYZP-->KEDW. A-4C

[jkcook28]

Done deal. Down at KEDW.

Fuel used: 5486.1 lbs.

Total fuel used for event: 45,946.6 lbs.

Total Flight time for event: 17:27:03

Corrected (for 6hrs. bonus) time for event: 11:27:03

You might want to check my math! :icon_eek:

Interesting event guys, I may look around and do it again yet.

Thanks Willy, PRB, Moses and anyone else who chipped in! :applause:

[Vicious]

Way to finish with another smokin hot run. Very nice race!!!

Vicious

[MM]

Well done, John.

-Mike

[Moses03]

Going to be tough to beat John's run.

[smilo]

hey, nice one John

[Vicious]

Corrected (for 6hrs. bonus) time for event: 11:27:03

You might want to check my math! :icon_eek:

:applause:

Hey John,

I come up with a corrected flight time of 11:25:33. I'm using the "Flight time" rather than "Baton time" so perhaps that's the reason for the difference.

Vicious

[jkcook28]

Guess we'll let the "organizers" decide that!

[salt_air]

Great run John!

I was thinking about another round as well......