Threads deleted ??

[Toastmaker]

It appears that some threads that get closed. . . also get deleted (as if they never existed?)

I can understand closing threads that get out of bounds if necessary, but why delete them ? This prevents members from seeing the nature of the controversy as examples of what's considered verboten.

:running:

[OBIO]

Some threads, even after being closed, are still so controversial or offensive that they are removed to maintain the standards of the site.

OBIO

[jmig]

I deleted one the other night at the request of one of the posters. The thread quickly became a big misunderstanding and it was decided that keeping the thread open for all to see would be counterproductive.

Moe closed and deleted one last night because it became a war of words.

[6297J]

The one deleted this morning (UK time) was well within the rules before it was closed. I didn't see how the SOH Facebook one developed a couple of days ago as I went to bed. The next morning it was gone.

Close them if you must but to expunge them completely smacks of censorship. I know this is a free site and we don't pay to subscribe and therefore have no voice at all but it's all getting a little bit like the Freemason's around here :costum:

[Quixoticish]

How disappointing. I thought the thread in question was shaping up to be an interesting discussion with some intriguing points of view.

[txnetcop]

The one deleted this morning (UK time) was well within the rules before it was closed. I didn't see how the SOH Facebook one developed a couple of days ago as I went to bed. The next morning it was gone.

Close them if you must but to expunge them completely smacks of censorship. I know this is a free site and we don't pay to subscribe and therefore have no voice at all but it's all getting a little bit like the Freemason's around here :costum:

I don't see anyone holding you back from leaving if you aren't happy here!
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[6297J]

I don't see anyone holding you back from leaving if you aren't happy here!
Ted
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Is that your nightstick in my back again Ted?

[txnetcop]

The next thing will happen will not be pleasant you won't be here anymore!
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[6297J]

How do you know I wouldn't enjoy it?

[txnetcop]

How do you know I wouldn't enjoy it?


You know for a smart guy you sure are giving are giving a poor impression of what it means. OK see how far you can go...I can hardly wait
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[6297J]

You know for a smart guy you sure are giving are giving a poor impression of what it means. OK see how far you can go...I can hardly wait
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Well, you'll have to - I have to get back to work.

Next time :salute:

[txnetcop]

Well, you'll have to - I have to get back to work.

Next time :salute:

There will not be a next time, I give you my word!
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[Henry]

ok gentlemen lets not get personal!
actually threads are not deleted
they get moved to a private forum
so some of us can read them
and review them without them getting hotter
just so there is no misunderstanding
this is a sim site and the newshawks section
is not a place for politics, religion or any other volatile
views,
also please remember we are a COPA site and people of all ages
can view
H

[Moparmike]

Is that your nightstick in my back again Ted?

Nope...it's MY nightstick.

Incessant harassment and baiting of the SOH staff is worthy of a trip to the front door.
Goodbye!

[cheezyflier]

well the thread i responded to last night, i never got to see the moderator's answer to my question. if the thread is gone, i would like to hear from a moderator or some other soh authority. i would like to be in clear understanding of just what type of place this is going to be.

[txnetcop]

If something is provocative the best thing to do is avoid it. We are from many different countries and cultures. What may not be offensive to one might be offensive to another. There are some common sense issues that outright provoke others to wrath so why start it? That is an easy guideline
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[Quixoticish]

Nope...it's MY nightstick.

Incessant harassment and baiting of the SOH staff is worthy of a trip to the front door.
Goodbye!

Enjoying a nightstick in the back?

I'm almost certain that 6297J was just being funny and having a giggle, and no offence was intended?

[txnetcop]

He's gone for good, and it wasn't funny? Let it go!
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[Moparmike]

Not funny and I'm not laughing...

Having to sift through every post by certain members because they habitually stir up as much controversy as they possibly can isn't an easy task. There are more worthwhile things for the site staff to be doing.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?pageid=about#terms

[Quixoticish]

He's gone for good, and it wasn't funny? Let it go!
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I thought it was quite witty to be completely honest. :confused:

Such a shame. Has he received a permanent ban, or it is just temporary?

[txnetcop]

I don't know what you are pushing for Chris but the best thing to do now is to end it and go do something else. He is gone forever! Unless you just are dying to join him? You heard what a senior ADMIN said. Now please, let it go!
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[Snuffy]

I thought it was quite witty to be completely honest. :confused:

Such a shame. Has he received a permanent ban, or it is just temporary?

Guess it really doesn't matter now does it ... as it doesn't pertain to you Chris ... so why bother?

Some threads are like moths to flame.

:kilroy:

[Quixoticish]

Guess it really doesn't matter now does it ... as it doesn't pertain to you Chris ... so why bother?

Some threads are like moths to flame.

:kilroy:

As requested by the moderators I'll leave it now, but I'll just answer your question first Snuffer.

Why bother? Because I found some of his posts to be quite informative and interesting, so I'm curious as to whether we can expect him back or not. As simple as that.

[Henry]

Guess it really doesn't matter now does it ... as it doesn't pertain to you Chris ... so why bother?

Some threads are like moths to flame.

:kilroy:
actually there are a few threads like that
it may seem staff need a life
we do there are a lot of things we would rather be doing like having fun
but we get a bunch of flames going on
do we want that hill no
i often wonder how many people who cause trouble actually have anything to do
with flightsims or indeed actually have one:173go1:
it seems like a few people who actually know better
just constantly walk that fine line between good and bad
its time consuming , Frustrating for all
is that good for anyone
dont think so
H

[Henry]

As requested by the moderators I'll leave it now, but I'll just answer your question first Snuffer.

Why bother? Because I found some of his posts to be quite informative and interesting, so I'm curious as to whether we can expect him back or not. As simple as that.
sadly there are a few permanent banned people
who actually are intelligent and have done a lot of informative and positive posts
if it came down to that
but that is not the point
all the senior staff have been here for many years
and we do know who's who and what to watch for
H

[hey_moe]

I don't wanna burst any of you guys bubble, but the threads I close or remove are not suppose to be either in the Newshawk or at this site. The attack against members is also a one way ticket to getting the thread closed. I don't like to close a thread but when I start getting emails concerning attacks,threats against others it time to end it. You guys know the rules here so WHY keep testing us out. I cannot believe for the life of me why some members love to start problems and then keep the fire going. This site is suppose to be a fun place to visit and meet other members....not a site to see who can piss the furtherest.

[Skittles]

I will make one post and one post only;

Regarding 6297J's ban, banning a member over what is clearly a perfectly innocent joke in my opinion is innappropriate. 6297J has contributed a lot to the site, and his posts are always informative. Banning such a member immediately degrades the quality of the forum.

I wonder if 6297J donated money to the site? He certainly contributed enough in terms of content.

In anticipated response for the 'admins decision is final and for the benefit of the site,' SOH, or any other forum on the planet, is nothing without its members. Banning established members, who form the cornerstone of the forum, is completely self-destructive.

I appreciate that I am not an admin, and that this is a dictatorship not a democracy, and like I said I will not offer any further opinion beyond this post. I'll certainly miss 6297J's contributions however, let's hope other well established members don't get banned over such trivial matters, else in a couple of days time there will be no-one left.

Quick edit: This is of course assuming the ban was based on his activities in this thread alone.

[Tim-HH]

I thought it was quite witty to be completely honest. :confused:

Such a shame. Has he received a permanent ban, or it is just temporary?

I fully agree with you, Chris!

It's a shame that a valuable member of this community got banned for no apparent reason...

Greetings
Tim

[Henry]

Quick edit: This is of course assuming the ban was based on his activities in this thread alone.
there lies the
issue
it was not
Gentlemen before this get out of hand
the staff and admin have been here a while
and do talk to each other in forums and in person
there are always 2 sides to each story
H

[djscoo]

I understand you are trying to keep the peace, but does bullying your members really achieve anything? Certainly 629J7 has said some things that were out of line, but I believe there was a fair amount of provocation on the part of a certain moderator. I think that's where the "nightstick" quote came from.

[tigisfat]

I appreciate that I am not an admin, and that this is a dictatorship not a democracy.....


But Skittles, this is a democracy. The staff and admin discuss and vote on things all the time. :icon_lol: Seriously though? I think members have more say here than we like to think.

I don't know why people want to fall on their swords for 'freedom of speech' and other stuff on internet message boards and forums. If all the private forums were to erase their rules and moderation, they would (every single one) turn into 4chan and/or porn. Sometimes I regret not being able to go off on people on the internet, but I'm glad that others can't constantly go off on me when I'm trying to have a conversation with like-minded individuals.

We truly need to be saved from ourselves. Human beings are very simple creatures.

[N2056]

I agree with Henry. Having spent a lot of time here I have come to recognize a few things...



The "personalities" of many of the other "full time" participants.
The threads that are destined to be locked.
The fact that almost always in a doomed thread a moderator will first post some sort of warning prior to closure.

Most important...figuring out personally that nothing posted here is worth blowing out any of my arteries over.

It seems to me that in the few occasions where someone got the sack here it was certainly not done without a lot of advance warning. Additionally, as Henry stated the moderating team uses a private forum to discuss issues like this. As much as I would be interested in the other side of this story I trust that they know what they are doing.

Time to get back to work on my project...:salute:

[tigisfat]

I agree with Henry. Having spent a lot of time here I have come to recognize a few things...



The "personalities" of many of the other "full time" participants.
The threads that are destined to be locked.
The fact that almost always in a doomed thread a moderator will first post some sort of warning prior to closure.

Most important...figuring out personally that nothing posted here is worth blowing out any of my arteries over.
It seems to me that in the few occasions where someone got the sack here it was certainly not done without a lot of advance warning. Additionally, as Henry stated the moderating team uses a private forum to discuss issues like this. As much as I would be interested in the other side of this story I trust that they know what they are doing.

Time to get back to work on my project...:salute:

Agreed whole heartedly, especially about not blowing an artery......except for in rare circumstances.

[Toastmaker]

But Skittles, this is a democracy. The staff and admin discuss and vote on things all the time. :icon_lol: Seriously though? I think members have more say here than we like to think.

I don't know why people want to fall on their swords for 'freedom of speech' and other stuff on internet message boards and forums. If all the private forums were to erase their rules and moderation, they would (every single one) turn into 4chan and/or porn. Sometimes I regret not being able to go off on people on the internet, but I'm glad that others can't constantly go off on me when I'm trying to have a conversation with like-minded individuals.

We truly need to be saved from ourselves. Human beings are very simple creatures.




By whom ?? You make an interesting point but at the same time it could be said that we humans are the most complex of creatures known, so far. This is why forum communications can be so inaccurate sometimes. The individual nuanced perceptions of things like humor, sarcasm, irony, etc. can be received or lost by various people depending on their sensibilities, personalities or cultural experiences.

I'm sorry to have seen a member get banned in a thread I started. . . sorry I asked.

[wombat666]

I understand you are trying to keep the peace, but does bullying your members really achieve anything? Certainly 629J7 has said some things that were out of line, but I believe there was a fair amount of provocation on the part of a certain moderator. I think that's where the "nightstick" quote came from.

629J7 managed to cross from a grey area into the black zone, not only in the thread concerned but in several others.
In this case, 'joke' or not, it was a step too far.
Mods and Admins are not inclined or encouraged to 'bully' members, however, there are members who seem intent on pushing ever closer to acceptable behaviour and baiting the SOH staff.
Any decisions pertaining to banning a member, be it for a week or for ever, are NEVER taken lightly and subject to discussion among all the team.
I think I can speak on behalf of the entire group when I say we would rather spend our time doing 'other activities' we enjoy instead of watching for the regular dramas to burst into flame.
A little thought BEFORE replying to a thread or BEGINNING a thread should not be too much for us to ask.

[txnetcop]

The banned individual had every opportunity to back off and go do something else. This was not his first provocation and he had been warned then. It's strange how some of you have misinterpreted what happened here. It does not change anything and it should not occur in the future knowing what the TOS is that Mike posted. Let's get back to doing what we actually are here for...to enjoy our common hobby.
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[tigisfat]

By whom ?? You make an interesting point but at the same time it could be said that we humans are the most complex of creatures known, so far. This is why forum communications can be so inaccurate sometimes. The individual nuanced perceptions of things like humor, sarcasm, irony, etc. can be received or lost by various people depending on their sensibilities, personalities or cultural experiences.

I'm sorry to have seen a member get banned in a thread I started. . . sorry I asked.

By whom?

I don't venture to say that all human interactions are disgusting, I only suggest that given anonymity and time, things will transcend that way, IE 4chan and other sites like it. I think we are intelligent enough to think about the potential for conflict and choose from among us those most likely to help keep the peace, or those possessing certain skills. You ask by whom; by ourselves.

[djscoo]

The banned individual had every opportunity to back off and go do something else. This was not his first provocation and he had been warned then. It's strange how some of you have misinterpreted what happened here. It does not change anything and it should not occur in the future knowing what the TOS is that Mike posted. Let's get back to doing what we actually are here for...to enjoy our common hobby.
Ted
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I think you misinterpreted my post. When you repeatedly threaten to ban someone, how can you be surprised he holds a grudge? SOH is run on donations, how can I insure my investment is worthwhile and I am not permanently banned on the whim of a moderator with a bone to pick?

[txnetcop]

I think you misinterpreted my post. When you repeatedly threaten to ban someone, how can you be surprised he holds a grudge? SOH is run on donations, how can I insure my investment is worthwhile and I am not permanently banned on the whim of a moderator with a bone to pick?

I guess I'm stymied when have I threatened to ban the man before today? And even today's was after considerable abuse on his part. As to your investment you are wasting it right now arguing for no good reason.

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[Henry]

By whom ?? You make an interesting point but at the same time it could be said that we humans are the most complex of creatures known, so far. This is why forum communications can be so inaccurate sometimes. The individual nuanced perceptions of things like humor, sarcasm, irony, etc. can be received or lost by various people depending on their sensibilities, personalities or cultural experiences.

I'm sorry to have seen a member get banned in a thread I started. . . sorry I asked.
LOL
its all your fault
but you are correct
we are all human (at least i hope so)
the written word or typed can be confusing
im the first one to mess that one up
all i can say is we try
actually when i first saw this thread
oh here we go again
but it was a good and valid question
and deserves an answer
we (the staff) are not neo Nazis
we come here for the same reason as anyone else
to exchange ideas, friendship
i do not believe any one gets banned just for the hill of it
or just because some person dislikes another
if thats the case i have a big problem
we are all members, we have banned staff before also
humans are really complex
and im not gonna have brain damage trying to figure all out
its damaged enough as is
H

[djscoo]

I guess I'm stymied when have I threatened to ban the man before today? And even today's was after considerable abuse on his part. As to your investment you are wasting it right now arguing for no good reason.

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The thread has been deleted, it was in the FSX forum. I am certain others saw it.

(yet another reason perhaps closed thread should be left viewable)

[txnetcop]

Henry just added some wisdom. Look, maybe this will help you guys in understanding how things work. Not one of the mods can ban an individual without consultation and an attempt to contact the individual and warn them. WE ARE NOT NAZI ZOMBIES. We truly love our membership. How many times have I posted and called this forum my second family. All of us feel that way
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[Snuffy]

... WE ARE NOT NAZI ZOMBIES. ....

Well Darn!

Now I'm truly disappointed! :icon_lol:

[Henry]

The thread has been deleted, it was in the FSX forum. I am certain others saw it.

(yet another reason perhaps closed thread should be left viewable)
they are at least most closed threads are
the deleted ones go to another thread
but closed threads stay
now they fall down the que
in a hurry and are hard to find
only deleted threads are not seen by all
and there are not that many
i believe the main point of this thread
wad about deleted threads
its not gone too well has it
so far we have lost one member
is it not time to understand?
and quit fighting
H

[Henry]

Well Darn!

Now I'm truly disappointed! :icon_lol:
no worries my barber just called
he has a discount for head shaving today
and free beer
ill be gone for a while:ernae:
LOL
H

[tigisfat]

no worries my barber just called
he has a discount for head shaving today
and free beer
ill be gone for a while:ernae:
LOL
H

Why do I not go to a barber that serves beer? That should be the true crime around here. :mixedsmi:

[Zoren]

Why do I not go to a barber that serves beer? That should be the true crime around here. :mixedsmi:

Not even cloes...The true crime is not having enough hair to even go to a barber that serves beer.

[Henry]

misunderstanding
he shaved the head off my beer for free
what can i say
:salute:
H

[Lionheart]

misunderstanding
he shaved the head off my beer for free
what can i say
:salute:
H

Sounds like Guiness! You need a sharp knife for that. Or freeze it in the freezer and you have Guiness icecream.

:d

[Dangerousdave26]

I did a little research

Last year we had 77 threads moved/closed/deleted

That's 6.41667 threads per month.

This year we have had 12 threads moved/closed/deleted so far.

That would be an average of 3.42857 (12 threads / 3.5 months) threads per month but 5 of them were this month. So really it looks like its a pretty good year. Our numbers for the year are better than last year and this month looks like it could fit the average.

[Henry]

I did a little research

Last year we had 77 threads moved/closed/deleted

That's 6.41667 threads per month.

This year we have had 12 threads moved/closed/deleted so far.

That would be an average of 3.42857 (12 threads / 3.5 months) threads per month but 5 of them were this month. So really it looks like its a pretty good year. Our numbers for the year are better than last year and this month looks like it could fit the average.
do ya do taxes also:wavey:
H

[Cloud9Gal]

do ya do taxes also:wavey:
H


H.~

When you say things like that, I really wish I could somehow clone you and keep you in my office to entertain me during the day. You crack me up!

LOL!

[Dangerousdave26]

do ya do taxes also:wavey:
H

Why yes I do.

This plan will prevent you from paying any taxes next year.

Send me all your money. Then I will let you 1099 me for my services. I then claim all of your money as income and pay taxes on it.

You pay no taxes.

If you want I will buy you a Beer right after I get the cash. :engel016:

[Henry]

Why yes I do.

This plan will prevent you from paying any taxes next year.

Send me all your money. Then I will let you 1099 me for my services. I then claim all of your money as income and pay taxes on it.

You pay no taxes.

If you want I will buy you a Beer right after I get the cash. :engel016:
checks in the mail
H:jump:

[Henry]

H.~

When you say things like that, I really wish I could somehow clone you and keep you in my office to entertain me during the day. You crack me up!

LOL!
be careful what you say
it could happen
LOL
H

[Wiens]

I did a little research

Last year we had 77 threads moved/closed/deleted

That's 6.41667 threads per month.

This year we have had 12 threads moved/closed/deleted so far.

That would be an average of 3.42857 (12 threads / 3.5 months) threads per month but 5 of them were this month. So really it looks like its a pretty good year. Our numbers for the year are better than last year and this month looks like it could fit the average.

Must be due to the volcanic ash from the Iceland volcano......:kilroy:

Kevin

[Henry]

Must be due to the volcanic ash from the Iceland volcano......:kilroy:

Kevin
do you do taxes?
:jump:
LOL
H

[Wiens]

do you do taxes?
:jump:
LOL
H

Only my personal Federal and Kansas returns, Henry. My company's tax returns are done by the "professionals"!.....:bump:

Kevin

[Moparmike]

do you do taxes?
:jump:
LOL
H

Careful H! You're talking government and that's getting into that "no politics" policy territory!

[Ken Stallings]

do you do taxes?
:jump:
LOL
H

You seem desirous of someone to do your taxes and tell you the government owes you everything back!

When you find him, please let me have his phone number! :icon_lol:

Ken

[Ken Stallings]

Careful H! You're talking government and that's getting into that "no politics" policy territory!

Death and taxes transcend politics. They are inevitables! :icon_lol:

Ken

[Henry]

Death and taxes transcend politics. They are inevitables! :icon_lol:

Ken
preferably taxes come after death
if not they could be the reason of the death:wiggle:
LOL
H

[Ken Stallings]

preferably taxes come after death
if not they could be the reason of the death:wiggle:
LOL
H

LOL!!

I noticed you failed to answer my previous post. I guess that means you haven't found him! :icon_lol:

Ken

[Henry]

LOL!!

I noticed you failed to answer my previous post. I guess that means you haven't found him! :icon_lol:

Ken
no but my wife is the next best thing
rule#1 never ever mess with her
she can get the IRS apologizing
ive been thinking about making her staff
but she would ban me in seconds
LOL
H

[jmig]

no but my wife is the next best thing
rule#1 never ever mess with her
she can get the IRS apologizing
ive been thinking about making her staff
but she would ban me in seconds
LOL
H

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[N2056]

ive been thinking about making her staff
but she would ban me in seconds


Possibly the funniest line I have read here at SOH yet! :icon_lol:

[boxcar]

.


...my wife is the next best thing
rule#1 never ever mess with her
she can get the IRS apologizing


This one too, Robert! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-016.gif Back-to-back, top-shelf stuff, heh!
.

[srgalahad]

You seem desirous of someone to do your taxes and tell you the government owes you everything back!

When you find him, please let me have his phone number! :icon_lol:

Ken

There are several Ken, but apparently the Feds have refused to allow them private phone lines for personal or business use while vacationing in the SuperMax Country Club

[Ken Stallings]

There are several Ken, but apparently the Feds have refused to allow them private phone lines for personal or business use while vacationing in the SuperMax Country Club

I knew there was a loophole there! :icon_lol:

Ken