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Wild Bill Kelso
April 16th, 2010, 07:15
...would it look like this?

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/buff18_1.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/buff18_2.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/buff18_3.jpg


What about the fictive registration number?
Are there any rules about canadian aircraft regs I had to obey?
Are the "CF-" regs for vintage a/c only?

Any ideas?

Cheers,
Markus.

ThinkingManNeil
April 16th, 2010, 07:33
That's one sharp looking 18, Markus; very nicely done! I can't give you the dates when it went into effect but Canadian civil registry markings are now prefixed as C-F--- or C-G--- (since the C-F code sequences are being used up) followed by a three letter code. C-I--- codes are reserved for ultralight aircraft. There are still many CF- codes out there but they're most common on older or even vintage airframes.

I do love the Beech 18 - hands down my all-time favourite twin!

Cheers,

N.

srgalahad
April 16th, 2010, 08:23
What about the fictive registration number?
Are there any rules about canadian aircraft regs I had to obey?
Are the "CF-" regs for vintage a/c only?

Any ideas?

Cheers,
Markus.

Canada "owns" the block C-FAAA to C-GZZZ. At one time, when only the CF series was used it was displayed as CF-xxx. Once the number of registrations required moving into CG... it was changed to be C-Fxxx or C-Gxxx. A more recent change is specified here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/regserv/affairs/cars/part2/202.htm#202_03

Specifications of how to display the marks is here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/regserv/affairs/cars/part2/standards/222.htm#

Now... Buffalo DID own a Beech (3N - the nav-trainer version of the c-45) CF-BCC which is still on the register as C-FBCC.
For reference go here:
http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/historysearch.asp
type FBCC in the "marks" box and hit search.

Another search provides this about RCAF history
http://www.puterdudes.com/~bwalker/RCAF_1400_1449_detailed.html (http://www.puterdudes.com/%7Ebwalker/RCAF_1400_1449_detailed.html)



1428



Beechcraft




Expeditor



Mk. 3N




D-18S



CA3

Used at RCAF Station Winnipeg, Manitoba. Sold, to civil register as CF-BCC, later C-FBCC. Still airworthy 1976 as CF-BCC, registered to T. Thomson. Owners included Buffalo Airways in the 1980s, Ata construction in the late 1980s, Octan Resources, Big Bird Sky-Farmers Inc., and William Cousineau in the 1990s. Owner since April 1994 is Kuby's Aircraft Limited, still on register April 2005.
first date: 25 September 1951

last date: 20 October 1960
Taken on charge

Struck off, later sold

So forget the 'fictional' ...:jump:

Rob

jkcook28
April 16th, 2010, 08:30
Robipedia strikes again! :d

You're a fountain of information.

Wild Bill Kelso
April 16th, 2010, 09:21
Rob: You're the man! :salute:
Thanks a lot!

So it'll be not fictional, you might consider it as an aircraft from an alternative timeline...:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/buff18_4.jpg

Just the usual fine tuning to be performed...

Milton Shupe
April 16th, 2010, 09:49
WOW! Excellent work Sir! :applause:

Thanks Rob for that info as well.

PeteHam
April 16th, 2010, 11:45
Brilliant Markus :applause:

I'll need one of those please :jump:

Pete.

srgalahad
April 16th, 2010, 11:53
Markus, if I might suggest..4849

If you don't want to clutter the fin, Alternate location for reg. marked "here"

Willy
April 16th, 2010, 14:51
Which Beech 18 is that for? I like it.

HighGround22
April 16th, 2010, 17:38
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It's for Uncle Milton Shupe's magnificent creation, of course! :icon_lol:

Very nice work as always, Markus! I'm glomming-onto that little rascal right away!

Sunny9850
April 16th, 2010, 18:26
Another "Must Have" to be sure.....that is one of the best looking paints I have seen on Sir Milton's 18 yet.

Btw what EnvBMP file are you using Marcus....that reflection on the fuselage is the best I think I have ever seen.

Stefan

Wild Bill Kelso
April 18th, 2010, 07:06
Thank you (once again...) for this kind feedback! :wavey:


... what EnvBMP file are you using Marcus....that reflection on the fuselage is the best I think I have ever seen.
It's the stock envmap.bmp!
Milton's photoreal textures are this awesome, you'll find yourself looking at the reflections, trying to see yourself...
Those splendid blank textures released with the paint kit made this one a piece of cake.
The only thing I've altered is the cowling: It seemed some notches too 'greenish' to me...
The P&W Eagle pasted on it is a little eye candy I allowed to add, cut from a photo I shot some years ago at the Berlin Airshow (from a Max Holste Broussard).

@ Rob:
Nice idea with the reg position! I'll give it a try.

Wild Bill Kelso
April 19th, 2010, 06:13
I think the reg looks good this way:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/buff18_5.jpg

Just added some more eye candy - what do you think about it? Too much?

ThinkingManNeil
April 19th, 2010, 07:32
Just keeps looking better and better, Markus!

Milton Shupe
April 19th, 2010, 09:52
Just keeps looking better and better, Markus!

I have to agree. Great stuff here Markus. :applause:

srgalahad
April 19th, 2010, 10:17
Looks like a great set of "training wheels" for future DC-3 and C-46 drivers Markus :jump:

now all we need is a repaint of Spur Aviation's CF-WWV for the float version...

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/5/0/0557055.jpg

History and more recent paint:
http://www.flyinghigher.net/beech/C-FWWV.html

dogknot
April 19th, 2010, 10:55
A real beauty, Markus!! Looking forward to the paint. :applause:

CG_1976
April 19th, 2010, 13:11
My chops are watering for this paint:salute: looks excellent Markus.

Wild Bill Kelso
April 20th, 2010, 07:01
Wow!
Never thought an imaginary rendition could be this welcome - thank you all! :wavey:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/buff18_6.jpg

Just did some fixes on the belly textures (looked too bright to me), now it's time for testing the floats and skis versions...
Will be up soon!

Cheers,
Markus.

Wild Bill Kelso
April 21st, 2010, 07:27
Just watched one more episode of "Ice Pilots NWT" (#2, where they have to haul a replacement engine to Norman Wells to get their crippled C-46 come back home):
Buffalo's maintenance crew doesn't have an easy live to keep those dinosaurs running for sure, and I wonder if they would apply a rather "sophisticated" livery (obviously inspired by the Lufthansa 1955's design, I have to admit...) like the one I'm on now. Masking those curved lines of the nose section won't be a nice job to do in the "battlefield forge" they have to work in...

Spraying some paint in this manner (just like they did on the Dakotas) would be much easier:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/buff18_7.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/wildbillkelso_berlin/buff18_8.jpg

What do you think?
Will this "straight" design be more appropriate?

Any comment appreciated.

Cheers,
Markus.

edmoore235
April 21st, 2010, 08:25
FWIW: I prefer your first "sophisticated" livery much better. It is Flight Sim - you do what ever makes you happy! I found myself splashing around about where to place a "BBQ pit" in a scenery on my system, I spent hours and then the "Duh moment", do what ya want Ed came to me. Your repaints are all just great on every airplane that I have seen. Thanks for your work and great efforts.

Ed

srgalahad
April 21st, 2010, 10:22
Markus, these days most of the refurb. work is done at the Buffalo/Airspray (ex-Airspray?) facility in Red Deer ( much warmer most of the year and the hangars have heat). so a bit of extra work might happen. Otherwise, as much as I like Ver 1.1, I'd be inclined to think Joe would opt for simple (and less expensive), esp. on a 'secondary' a/c like the Twin Beech.

R

dogknot
April 21st, 2010, 10:50
We've got plenty of $$$$ in the account and a great painter ready for work.....I'd go for the sophisticated 1.1 version.

Wild Bill Kelso
April 22nd, 2010, 02:43
... Joe would opt for simple (and less expensive), esp. on a 'secondary' a/c like the Twin Beech.
That's what I thought. It fits to the impression I got from him while watching the show.
But fortunately, this is no "either/or" decision:
I'll release it with both fuselage textures files, so it'll be your decision whether to spend some extra cash for the swinging nose paint... :d

Duckie
April 22nd, 2010, 06:17
Outstanding paint job on an outstanding model. Thanks Markus. This beauty will look great no matter where she parks or flies! :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Duckie

adhockey
April 22nd, 2010, 19:29
Just watched one more episode of "Ice Pilots NWT" (#2, where they have to haul a replacement engine to Norman Wells to get their crippled C-46 come back home)...

Do you have a current link to the episodes? People seem to pull the files after a short while, probably due to an unpleasant letter from history.ca

But I don't live in Canada, and I can't hack a satellite feed, so the internet is the only way I can see enjoying this fine program (episodes 1-3, to date).

Wild Bill Kelso
April 23rd, 2010, 02:03
Maybe this link Tom kindly provided still works:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=32386&p=369471&viewfull=1#post369471

srgalahad
April 23rd, 2010, 07:42
Do you have a current link to the episodes? People seem to pull the files after a short while, probably due to an unpleasant letter from history.ca

But I don't live in Canada, and I can't hack a satellite feed, so the internet is the only way I can see enjoying this fine program (episodes 1-3, to date).

Maybe the links are blocked outside Canada, but I'm watching episode 8 as I type...
http://www.history.ca/video/default.aspx
--all of season One is up

Sunny9850
April 23rd, 2010, 14:04
Yes the official links are not available outside of Canada. There was a site a little while back that covered the entire season thus far but it did also remove the videos after a short time. ( guessing because of a letter in legalese )

The problem is that as soon as the videos are available somewhere the links get posted on flying related sites (which is very nice for those of us outside of Canada) but it also means the hunters from history.ca know what door to bang on to get them removed :D :D

Stefan

srgalahad
April 23rd, 2010, 16:16
http://www.omnifilm.com/images/lptitle01.jpg

Ice Pilots NWT premiered in the UK on Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 9pm on Discovery Quest (http://press.discovery.com/uk/quest/programs/ice-pilots/) channel.

Sorry America.. I guess you're still stuck with Survivor: Fantasy Island

huub vink
April 23rd, 2010, 16:38
Markus, I prefer the first repaint. And painting straight lines on a round nose isn't as easy as it might like.

Cheers,
Huub

dandog
April 23rd, 2010, 18:13
Just downloaded the skin and added to both wheeled and ski versions. I just can't find Obio's soundpack for this bird..................:iidea:

dogknot
April 24th, 2010, 06:57
Really beautiful paints, Markus! Thankyou! :salute:

Right now I'm doing runs up in the Valdez area. The fancy paint is for shuttling passengers and the "Dakota" nose paint I'm using for the cargo variant. They really look great.
Now off to paint up the ski version, amphib and floats.

Wild Bill Kelso
April 24th, 2010, 09:02
And painting straight lines on a round nose isn't as easy as it might like.
Good point, Huub!
Painting a straight line on a flat texture file sure is easy - but keeping straight on a spherical curved 3D surface is definately something else...

@ Brent:
Good idea!
Thanks to Milton & team, we do have multiple models to choose from.

Have fun!

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=7&id=369

http://flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=145799

http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=146674


Cheers,
Markus.