Sad news from Brazil...

[flaviossa]

Just HU for you guys and girls:
Today we had a big loss from one member of our aerial demonstration squadron "ESQUADRILHA DA FUMAÇA". In a presentation in a city called Lages (Brazilian South), one of the wingman didn´t manage to do a stunt and .... the worse happened.

Here are the videos (Please, be adivised that it´s not an easy footage to see)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hNgMlux2bw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZAJ3ewrE6w

So long Cap. Anderson ... we will miss you! :salute::salute::salute::salute:
God bless you.

[N2056]

How sad :frown:
R.I.P Capt. Anderson

[Lionheart]

May his soul rest in peace.

It looks like it ended quick for him.

Man... Just a few more feet under him and he would have at least skidded in... The ground just isnt always forgiving..



Bill

[Skittles]

Very sad.

The Red Arrows had an accident the other day, the only thing that saved the pilot was his ejection seat. Unfortunately in this case the pilot didn't have that option.

It's a mistake that we see again and again - attempting a loop/split S with not enough altitude. Sometimes the pilots can get out (thunderbirds F-16 incident) and other times (tragically) they cannot. Of course when you're flying low level aerobatics the risk is much higher.

[Z-claudius24]

Hi,

RIP

Sad

Check very well the second video
Exactly the same as happened to a Spitfire some years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOUUT3FNx4
Out of a loop .. and a little too much low... and certainly the pilot pull it out hard .. when ground goes to him.
Check well at the last moment the plane is pratically fallen .. no more flying .. it's a stall.

[tigisfat]

The video of that red arrows crash was released lately, and it's brutal too.


Don't These Tucanos have ejection seats? I think they do, but he didn't have a chance here.

[harleyman]

Man...RIP Capt. Anderson...

[flaviossa]

...Flaviossa,...what type/model aircraft was he flying at the time of the accident?

Embraer Tucano t27
And i´m 99% sure that it has ejection seats. I think that the pilot just didn´t have the time to think in ejection procedures ...

[Z-claudius24]

Hi,

http://www.esquadrilhadafumaca.com.br
http://www.highway.com.br/users/valladares/
http://oglobo.globo.com/cidades/mat/2010/04/02/piloto-da-esquadrilha-da-fumaca-que-morreu-em-lages-estava-no-ultimo-ano-de-apresentacoes-916241488.asp

[TomSteber]

Wow. Not a whole lot can be said. Sad.

[Panther_99FS]

:frown:...

[jmig]

Tragic indeed. May he rest in peace and my condolences to his family and friends.

I don't think an ejection seat would have helped him here. His downward velocity was great. Not sure if the seat could have over come it, unless he had ejected at a high enough altitude. I have no idea what the critical altitude is for that seat with that downward vector.

[tigisfat]

Tragic indeed. May he rest in peace and my condolences to his family and friends.

I don't think an ejection seat would have helped him here. His downward velocity was great. Not sure if the seat could have over come it, unless he had ejected at a high enough altitude. I have no idea what the critical altitude is for that seat with that downward vector.

Any ACES II or later seat can overcome a downward momentum like that with almost zero altitude. He coulda been saved, but he was probably too shocked and focused on his job to get out. I consider that to be the craziest part of ejecting. The fear is not that a pilot will eject too soon and abandon a perfectly good aircraft, the fear is that a 'fearless' and properly trained operator will continue just that: operating the aircraft until the last millisecond hoping for a better outcome.

[jmig]

Any ACES II or later seat can overcome a downward momentum like that with almost zero altitude. He coulda been saved, but he was probably too shocked and focused on his job to get out. I consider that to be the craziest part of ejecting. The fear is not that a pilot will eject too soon and abandon a perfectly good aircraft, the fear is that a 'fearless' and properly trained operator will continue just that: operating the aircraft until the last millisecond hoping for a better outcome.

I remember back in my flying days a USAF report that stated just what you said. The report concluded that the vast majority of failed ejections happened because the pilot waited too long to eject. It is the pride thing. "I be darn if I will let this thing crash. i know I can recover."

I lost a very good friend just that way once. He was going up the rails when he hit the ground. :(

[boxcar]

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That was rather hard to watch. My thoughts go out to his teammates, friends & family. Watching the second video it's
clear that the tragedy could have been much worse, as several are seen running away to the right of & in front of the crash.
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[Dain Arns]

How tragic and saddening.
Praise God the folks underneath weren't harmed.
It looked like there were a few on the ground in the impact area there.
My condolences to his family, friends, and fellow ESQUADRILHA DA FUMAÇA.

[safn1949]

A toast to a brave and talented man,may you fly high in the clouds forever Sir.:guinness:

[Cloud9Gal]

Wow! That was sad and heartwrenching to watch. Poor guy....http://www.tiptopglobe.com/skin/smile/s3560.gif (http://www.tiptopglobe.com/free-smiles-smileys-emoticons-blog-forum-email)

RIP Mr. Anderson http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Sad/flower-004.gif (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Sad-Smileys.html)

[dominique]

It hits the ground almost flat. It seems to have no lift, just smashing its belly in the field...

[JorisVandenBerghe]

From me too, my condolences to the family, wife, children and friends...and the Brazilian Air Force.

Horrible to see a man lose his live this way.

[tigisfat]

It hits the ground almost flat. It seems to have no lift, just smashing its belly in the field...


It had plenty of lift, he was just pulling a hard AOA.

[deathfromafar]

It had plenty of lift, he was just pulling a hard AOA.

You can get the AoA to a point where lift is impeded by the lack of/divergence of airflow over the airfoil. I've practiced enough accelerated stalls & flatspin entries in low & mid wing A/C over the last 20 years to know.

This poor guy simply misjudged it pure & simple probably due to loss of SA coming out of that Lumshavak they do in their routine. Another 100ft may have made the difference but even had he made it ,still a serious safety bust.

Anyone remember this safety bust by an RAF Typhoon Pilot? Nearly planted himself!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSXRPH9PVjM&feature=related

[tigisfat]

You can get the AoA to a point where lift is impeded by the lack of/divergence of airflow over the airfoil. I've practiced enough accelerated stalls & flatspin entries in low & mid wing A/C over the last 20 years to know.


(puts on best thick but fake texas accent and cocks eyebrow)

Now where I come from, we sometimes call that a stall.

(puts serious face back on)

I couldn't resist that opportunity.

But what you're actually describing is an aircraft's inability to change direction under high momentums and an high AOA, right? Aircraft are being built with extremely rapid pitch rates that past a point, put in laymens terms, produce more vertical skidding than direction change. Evidence of it's intentional use would be the pugachev maneuvers. Most aircraft with a 90 degree angle of attack will not change direction when further pitch is applied.

[deathfromafar]

(puts on best thick but fake texas accent and cocks eyebrow)

Now where I come from, we sometimes call that a stall.

(puts serious face back on)

I couldn't resist that opportunity.

But what you're actually describing is an aircraft's inability to change direction under high momentums and an high AOA, right? Aircraft are being built with extremely rapid pitch rates that past a point, put in laymens terms, produce more vertical skidding than direction change. Evidence of it's intentional use would be the pugachev maneuvers. Most aircraft with a 90 degree angle of attack will not change direction when further pitch is applied.

LOL!
Pretty right on. Stall is a stall even if the horns aren't sounding. You know the law of variables due to airframe/airfoil design. You can get into trouble just as easy at lower AoA as you can at higher AoA depending on all those variables. I remember being yelled at by my Instructor for holding too much backpressure in certain attitudes and maneuvers. When you learn how a particular plane/design flies, there's always little tale-tale signs in the controls and the airframe itself that tell you what is going on and if you're about to make a mistake that will bite you. One constant that never changes, the ground is solid terra-firma and it's waiting on you to come back down sooner or later. You better have your S**t together if you're flying low level or maneuvering down low.

[safn1949]

I have stuffed enough P-38's into the ground on CFS to realize when they are not going to make it in these videos.I wonder if that Typhoon pilot has regrown the rear he got chewed off for that maneuver?

[Ken Stallings]

I needed some time to get my brain around my thoughts and figure out a suitable response to this thread. We are all sad, but only just now did I remember something that I thought expressed my thoughts properly.


I began to feel that I lived on a higher plane than the skeptics of the ground; one that was richer because of its very association with the element of danger they dreaded, because it was freer of the earth to which they were bound. In flying, I tasted a wine of the gods of which they could know nothing. Who valued life more highly, the aviators who spent it on the art they loved, or these misers who doled it out like pennies through their antlike days? I decided that if I could fly for ten years before I was killed in a crash, it would be a worthwhile trade for an ordinary life time.


- Charles A. Lindbergh, 'The Spirit of St. Louis (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/087351288X/ref=nosim/flyaboveallparag).'


They practiced their art they loved and lived a much greater than ordinary life! :engel016:

Salute,

Ken

[tigisfat]

They practiced their art they loved and lived a much greater than ordinary life! :engel016:

Salute,

Ken

Plus the smoke squadron is a pretty elite team. If I got to be the slot or solo pilot for the blues and only live a few more years, I'd do it.....girlfriend be damned.

[kilo delta]

Anyone remember this safety bust by an RAF Typhoon Pilot? Nearly planted himself!



This French Rafale pilot was very lucky too..

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