How bout a Turbo Lake Renegade??

[ryanbatc]

This would be a fun plane to do! Anyone else interested in buying one for FSX?

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lake-LA-270-Turbo/1149576/L/

[Kiwikat]

I would LOVE a lake renegade. Every year at EAA I always see at least a few. It is such a unique airplane.

3D gauges please! (AKA not Carenado :173go1:)

[simkid22]

I would! FSX needs more sea planes.

[arrowmaker]

Yea I'd buy one. There's definitely a shortage of FSX native seaplanes in FSX. The only one's of worth that I can think of are the Aerosoft Catalina, and the AlphaSim Albatross. A while back I asked a question of Mathijs Kok, about the possibility of Aerosoft doing a Boeing 314, in the same vein as the Cat. Unfortunately (though quite understandably) he said that much as he loves the plane there simply isn't the market out there to justify the development costs. People, he stated, generally tend to buy flightsim models of aircraft that still exist, and that they can actually see in real life. Regretably no 314's actually exist anyone, which limits any potential market considerably.

[Hurricane91]

A while back I asked a question of Mathijs Kok, about the possibility of Aerosoft doing a Boeing 314, in the same vein as the Cat. Unfortunately (though quite understandably) he said that much as he loves the plane there simply isn't the market out there to justify the development costs. People, he stated, generally tend to buy flightsim models of aircraft that still exist, and that they can actually see in real life. Regretably no 314's actually exist anyone, which limits any potential market considerably.

Maybe so. But put me on the list to buy a good FSX Boeing Clipper.

[Paul Anderson]

I'd like one too. Spent so much time with the freeware one(s) in FS2000 & FS2002 my screen had water marks on the inside. As long as the developer doesn't buckle under to the folks who would want tundra tires on it too, I'm in. :o)

[Helldiver]

I have a nice Lake Renegade Amphibian at Plum Island. If anyone is interested in it I could provide tons of photos of it showing things like the rubber bumper guards on it. It's been freshly restored. I can get the insturment panel and all internal structures.They were built at nearby Sanford Airport in Maine. They're fairly popular around here especially at Lake Winnepisaukee in New Hampshire.
You interested in something different Bill Womack?

[spotlope]

I have a nice Lake Renegade Amphibian at Plum Island. If anyone is interested in it I could provide tons of photos of it showing things like the rubber bumper guards on it. It's been freshly restored. I can get the insturment panel and all internal structures.They were built at nearby Sanford Airport in Maine. They're fairly popular around here especially at Lake Winnepisaukee in New Hampshire.
You interested in something different Bill Womack?

Could be, could be. I started a SeaBee project a few months ago, which I'm noodling around with in my spare time (joke). The Renegade would be fun, too. I need to see if I can get my hands on some good 3-views and/or plans.

By the way, did that 185 amphib ever return to the nest at Plum Island? I think we're pretty close to a Carenado expansion pack release, and I'd love to finish up my '76 repaint.

[Railrunner130]

A new Renegade would be nice. I think John Woodward did one many years ago, but it is not compatible with FSX.

[Helldiver]

Bill, the 185 is still in the shop. As far as I know it's at Pease Air Force Base and they are looking for a hydraulic pump for her. If it doesn't come back in a week, I'll take a ride up to Portsmouth and grab some pictures.
In the mean time I'll take some pictures of the Lake for you. Rain in the AM but should be sunny by afternoon.

[Helldiver]

Renegade plans can be found at :http://004edc4.netsolhost.com/BAWET/BA_Bill_Effinger.htm (http://004edc4.netsolhost.com/BAWET/BA_Bill_Effinger.htm)

[falcon409]

A new Renegade would be nice. I think John Woodward did one many years ago, but it is not compatible with FSX.
Actually, it is, it just isn't very good by today's standards. There are some alpha problems that can be worked out most likely, but it lacks detail in just about every area of the model.:salute:

[anatolpopov]

Lake Renegade would be cool. There isn't many single-engine seaplanes for FSX.

What do you think about look of ATOL 575 (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=ATOL%20575&distinct_entry=true)

[peter12213]

I like the look of that one too Antton, I love those small, cockpit close to the water type seaplanes!

[2Low]

I like the look of that one too Antton, I love those small, cockpit close to the water type seaplanes!


You might like this little treat then, the ICON A5

http://www.iconaircraft.com/Experience-ICON.html

When I first discovered this aircraft it just screamed Lionheart to me. I think this would be a neat little hot rod for PNW and Tongass.

[joanvalley]

You might like this little treat then, the ICON A5

http://www.iconaircraft.com/Experience-ICON.html

When I first discovered this aircraft it just screamed Lionheart to me. I think this would be a neat little hot rod for PNW and Tongass.

Yes! Lionheart all written over it... or IRIS. Superb looking aircraft, looks like a racing car from the front.

Jose.

[Gibbage]

ITs an amazing looking aircraft, but those complex compount curvs gives any modeler nightmares for weeks. To anyone foolish enough to take on the Icon A5, :salute:

[ryanbatc]

Ahh yes, forgot about that little sport plane. What a nice one!

[peter12213]

That is indeed very nice and very stylish to boot!

[Javis]

Does anybody remember the Lake Renegade from the times FS did NOT rule the virtual skies ??... Aka Flight Unlimited I/II/III, Pro Pilot, Fly! ?.... ( Ok, FS still ruled the virtual skies but atleast they gave it a go ! )

I do very much, just can't seem to remember with which of these sims, hehe.... :rolleyes:

[Matt Wynn]

i've just requested this over at the IRIS forums come chirp in you never know...

seaplanes are one of my real loves in aviation, the ICON A5 is a real beauty... but as for my real seaplane love.... well thats reserved for things like the Sunderland...Clipper... and this A5, she's a beauty! :wiggle:

[Helldiver]

I went to Plum Island Airport and took 35 pictures of the Lake Renegade for Bill Womack. Maybe he can make some sense out of them.
I just missed the Terrafugia transition auto hybrid that landed there yesterday. The pilot said he would be back.

[Brian_Gladden]

Nahh. Bill needs to make one of these... http://www.seawind.net/

I met the owner of Seawind a couple of years ago. The planes are pretty common in VT as the plant is just south of Montreal so they tend to clear customs in Burlington where I used to work.

Cool plane. Nearly as fast as a Cirrus SR-22 and amphibious...


Brian

PS: I did a major rework of the original Lake as part of the Renegade/Seawolf design group. I should see if the bird works in FSX (SP1) on my system.

[falcon409]

. . . . .PS: I did a major rework of the original Lake as part of the Renegade/Seawolf design group. I should see if the bird works in FSX (SP1) on my system.
That would be great Brian!!

[Reddog]

Nahh. Bill needs to make one of these... http://www.seawind.net/

I met the owner of Seawind a couple of years ago. The planes are pretty common in VT as the plant is just south of Montreal so they tend to clear customs in Burlington where I used to work.

Cool plane. Nearly as fast as a Cirrus SR-22 and amphibious...


Brian

PS: I did a major rework of the original Lake as part of the Renegade/Seawolf design group. I should see if the bird works in FSX (SP1) on my system.

It does, FSX/SP1 that is.

[pilottj]

The ATOL and Icon aircraft reminded me of this cute little homebuilt. The Osprey 2

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pereira-Osprey-II/0717064/L/

[Reddog]

The ATOL and Icon aircraft reminded me of this cute little homebuilt. The Osprey 2

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pereira-Osprey-II/0717064/L/
I don't remember which FS it was for but someone did one.

[Helldiver]

The Seawind may look nice but it's got the same problem as the Renegade, only worse. That is, the engine is too high. As a result. like in the Renegade, theres the tendency to porpose and sudden movements of the throttle causes the airplane to nose dive in the water. The engine on the Seawind is set futher back, making the problem even worse. The Icon does not have that problem. The line of thrust is the same as the airplane.

[Brian_Gladden]

Actually, I spoke to the Owner of the Seawind company about that very thing. The engine is directly inline with the aft control surfaces and the pitch change, while still there, is nowhere near as severe as the Lake's...

He said he took a few Lake pilots out for a demo flight and they couldn't keep it level at first because they kept running the trim up and down like they have to do in the lake. He told them to leave the trim alone and they were able to fly the plane much more smoothly. only needing slight trim changes depending on the power.

You can hang a lot of power on a Seawind. Back when it was a kit plane, someone mounted a Walther Turboprop on one. (About 650 Shaft HP. Same engine they hang on the wings of a Let-410)

The Certification prototype and it's Test pilot were both lost a couple of years ago in a stall spin accident, setting the program back a couple of years.

The owner of the company actually built a kit Seawind and then decided to buy the company and put the airplane into production. He's a very nice guy. I got to speak with him several times as he brought the plane through Customs Back when I worked the ramp at KBTV.


Brian

[GaryGB]

Hi All:

I have a lot of pleasant memories of "real world" flying with my colleague in a Lake Amphibian LA4-200 EP (with the "bat-wing" fillets option) in & out of the Northwestern Chicago suburbs into upper Wisconsin. :)


My colleagues flight instructor, a noted Chicago businessman, also has a Lake (the Buccaneer 180) which he flies from Greenwood, IL at Galt (aka "One-Zero Charlie") up to a family estate on Bear Island in Ontario Canada.


I've always planned to go back and create FS scenery as a worthy tribute to the places I'd visited with my colleague to celebrate and share with others my great memories of the "real life" flying adventures we had... before health issues took their toll on him, and "restricted" his 'joy of flying '... to the "unlimited" world of Flight Simulator (and beyond). :engel016:


I'd absolutely love to see an FSX update of the Lake Amphibians from John Woodward / RSDG ...and for a "new" model of the LA4-200 EP (with the "bat-wing" fillets option) to be made that I could texture with my many photos of the aircraft I took over the years. :applause:


BTW: I have 16-bit sound quality audio recordings from video, as well as still pics which might be of interest to those undertaking such a project. :iidea:



For those that might be less familiar with the excitement that these (now orphaned) aircraft offer, see:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g57aZhsxJc


See it in 480p full screen ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g57aZhsxJc



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7la060yXp4&feature=fvw


See it in 480p full screen ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7la060yXp4&feature=fvw



Brian: My colleague also did have a dream of being able to "upgrade" to a Seawind. ;)



Helldiver: I hope you'll post some more pics of the "Plum Island" Lake in this thread... so we can all enjoy 'em ! :wavey:


This thread sure brings back great memories for me guys... thanks ! :ernae:

GaryGB

[Helldiver]

The pictures that I took were all close up, like showing the rubber bumpers on the floats or detail on the flaps which are unusual. - Kinda boring.

[spotlope]

It's too bad he stripped out the interior, as I kinda like the banged-up dash on that particular Lake. Maybe I can arrange a factory visit when I'm back out that way this summer, and get some other shots.

EDIT: scratch that. I thought they were in Maine somehow. Florida is a bit too far out of my way.

[Doering]

Oh Wow! Pays to cruise over here once and a while! I have stood on that dock numerous times when returning from 7-10 day canoe trips in Killarney park. The Lake Renegade has to be the noisiest aircraft relative to size on the planet. But I like it as it was the first aircraft I started to model when learning FSDS. Unfortunately, I never finished it :-(

[Helldiver]

Lake Aircraft was a manufacturer of amphibious aircraft. Their factory was in Sanford, Maine, USA, and their sales offices were located at Laconia / Gulford, New Hampshire and Kiss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissimmee,_Florida)immee, Florida.
Now Sanford, Maine is next to Rochester, New Hampshire, about 40 miles from Plum Island Airport. Let me know when you'll be here and I will arrange a flight from Plum Island to Sanford, Maine. They have various Lake Amphibians in repair there. Every so often theres a start up building project but it's been shelved because of the economy.
Plus they have a decent restaurant at Sanford. It's where Prez Bush, the elder, used to land when he was visiting his home in Maine. I got a wave from him but no invite for coffee. Even though my family have been Republicans since the Whigs and we share the same birthday, June 12th.

[spotlope]

Lake Aircraft was a manufacturer of amphibious aircraft. Their factory was in Sanford, Maine, USA, and their sales offices were located at Laconia / Gulford, New Hampshire and Kiss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissimmee,_Florida)immee, Florida.
Now Sanford, Maine is next to Rochester, New Hampshire, about 40 miles from Plum Island Airport. Let me know when you'll be here and I will arrange a flight from Plum Island to Sanford, Maine. They have various Lake Amphibians in repair there. Every so often theres a start up building project but it's been shelved because of the economy.
Plus they have a decent restaurant at Sanford. It's where Prez Bush, the elder, used to land when he was visiting his home in Maine. I got a wave from him but no invite for coffee. Even though my family have been Republicans since the Whigs and we share the same birthday, June 12th.

Interesting. I was just going by their official website, which had Florida area codes by all the contact numbers. Yeah, count me in if you can arrange a flight up to Sanford. I'd be all over that!

[kilo delta]

Yep...holy thread revival and all that jazz!:icon_lol:


Just wondering if anything ever came of the FSX'd Lake amphibian?

[FSX68]

How about this one?

http://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/4935/fsx-lake-renegade/

[kilo delta]

How about this one?

http://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/4935/fsx-lake-renegade/

That one had it's beginnings back in FS2002. I was hoping that a developer might be considering a native FSX build. :)

[Paul Anderson]

Last week on the Carenado site I suggested to them that a Lake Renegade would likely get a lot of attention.
Now that there is the Alabeo development branch, we might get lucky if Carenado passes along the idea to them.
Wouldn't hurt if a few others expressed an interest there.
Who knows?
Based on what Alabeo has been producing, I think they could make a top notch version.

[MCDesigns]

Based on what Alabeo has been producing, I think they could make a top notch version.

Agreed. :applause:

[deepdiver8055]

Thats a really cool plane. I use to have a good one for FS9. It was fun to fly.

[napamule]

Well, back to 2010 anyway. I had it in FS9 and FSX (Original ver, not Accel) back then (same date as original posts-so it's 'ok'?). Lost files due to HD failure. But I have the FS9 FDEs. I am going to install in FSX Accelleration tonight and see whet happens. News at 11. Here is 'old' video I made: http://youtu.be/KWpKHTqvkIM .

I did not authorize the 'Fly Away' upload (I hate when they do that!!), so don't trust it? I wouldn't-it might 'call home' your personal info? It's at FltSimCom if you want 'my' original ('clean') files (FDEs) for John Woodward's Renegade. Fantastic model. I love the sound, too.
Chuck B
Napamule

[whitney17]

Yes! Lionheart all written over it... or IRIS. Superb looking aircraft, looks like a racing car from the front.

Jose.

Jose,

I e-mailed Bill once and asked him to make an Icon A5. He passed. Basically his response (if I remember correctly) was that there was an A5 in the new Microsoft flightsim (now defunct) so there was no need to make one. By the way, there is a freeware Icon A5 available for FSX. Just google it.

Joe