New Russian 5th Gen fighter T-50 [Archive]

kilo delta

January 28th, 2010, 10:11

The first flight of the Sukhoi T-50 5th generation fighter is scheduled for tomorrow 29th Jan 2010.

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Kinda reminds me of the fabled F-19 fighter from the late 80's.

http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/TESTORS%20F-19%20MAIN.jpg

6297J

January 28th, 2010, 10:19

Beautiful aircraft :salute:

http://blog.paran.com/blog/detail/postBoard.kth?pmcId=blue5191&blogDataId=33394314

Matt Wynn

January 28th, 2010, 10:47

WOW! what a beauty! :jump:

cheezyflier

January 28th, 2010, 11:04

no kiddin, smoothie, i agree :applause:

i wonder how the capabilities of our top fighter compares? do we have missiles that can fly backwards? i would really like to learn a little more about this plane. it's very interesting.

i have to admit though, this was my fav part of the whole page:

http://blogfile.paran.com/BLOG_654947/200907/1248537960_ImageView1.gif

Piglet

January 28th, 2010, 21:12

Ummmm....... I dunno....
Seems they can't decide on a final config. Looks like vidio game ads.
I know Sukhoi has that T-47 and other cool stuff.
That version with the overhead intakes, hope that doesn't cause flameouts at high-alpha.

HundertzehnGustav

January 28th, 2010, 22:22

HUH?
WTF... i dont believe it...
look at the last config with the air intakes wayyyy behind and above the fuselage, how can there be a proper airflow towards the engines when pulling G' s?

I like the "Berkrut" style config tho.

Quixoticish

January 29th, 2010, 00:03

In the flesh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp0yd6no7B4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFS82swb7rM

HundertzehnGustav

January 29th, 2010, 02:33

HOLY ****TTT!!!!

*Jawdrop*

jmig

January 29th, 2010, 03:15

In the flesh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp0yd6no7B4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFS82swb7rM

The ones in the youtube vids look different from the picture by the OP? Are these the same airplane?

Quixoticish

January 29th, 2010, 03:20

The ones in the youtube vids look different from the picture by the OP? Are these the same airplane?

I believe so, the earlier postings were conjecture about what the finished product might look like and have probably been floating around on the net for a while now. T-50 refers to Sukhoi's internal company designation, whilst PAK-FA is the "requirement" it was designed to meet. I believe the now defunct

Ferry_vO

January 29th, 2010, 04:15

Like like a cross between a Flanker and a YF-23... :mixedsmi:

kilo delta

January 29th, 2010, 06:17

So....who'll be first to make one for MSFS? :bump:

Bjoern

January 29th, 2010, 10:49

Dear Lockheed,

this is how you make stealth look cool.

Sincerely,
someone who thinks your JSF is an affront to the human eye.

Cratermaker

January 29th, 2010, 12:04

Isn't this the one that Russia has already stated they can't afford to field them? (But we'll sell them to anyone interested)

sandar

January 29th, 2010, 12:17

Here is a clip of the maiden flight.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8487026.stm

Allen

January 29th, 2010, 12:37

http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/TESTORS%20F-19%20MAIN.jpg

http://www.fnmeng.info/Pictures/%5BH%5Dard%20Pictures/i%20lol%27d%20plane.jpg

Word has it that it don't have the engines and radar it needs.

More here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100129/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_russia_stealth_fighter

I think of this news a proof that not only can the US waste money but make others do so just a bad. At lest I know there will be a new plan in Ace Combat when it comes out.

CWOJackson

January 29th, 2010, 13:41

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a021e786e-04be-426b-ad32-dcbb54b90d00&plc

Preliminary analysis...interesting reading.

Piglet

January 29th, 2010, 20:09

I think the real one that flew looked cool! Even better looking than a F-22..

deathfromafar

January 29th, 2010, 22:43

It's not a bad looking plane at all. The intake mouths and ducts do favor the old YF-23 but beyond that it is pure Sukhoi. I wonder what the end product will look like? Right now it seems to have a lot of off the shelf standard non-stealth hardware and engines/nozzles on it. I wonder if those vertical stabs are slab rudders? If not, they seem awfully small. The wing area and horizontal stab blending would seem to be pretty good for high lift and maneuverability from the looks of it. With the cash infusion Russia is getting from India and other sources they ought to turn out a fine product out of this in a few years baring any major delays. I wonder how many they intend to build for themselves and how many might be made for export. I wonder if China will continue with the J-12 or go with this aircraft? Interesting stuff for sure.

HundertzehnGustav

January 30th, 2010, 01:03

There never will be a more beautiful Russki than the Flanker and Sea Flanker - to me.
But this baby looked cool. Su-27 Style with YF/23 Stealth.

Marlin

January 30th, 2010, 04:17

I guess congress canceled the Raptor just in time huh?

TARPSBird

January 30th, 2010, 13:37

I guess congress canceled the Raptor just in time huh?
Maybe the Russians will be good sports and limit their production to just 187 aircraft, whaddaya think??? ;)

kilo delta

January 30th, 2010, 13:50

Maybe the Russians will be good sports and limit their production to just 187 aircraft, whaddaya think??? ;)

That'd be nice of them...of course that won't include the couple of hundred ordered by China,couple of hundred for India....heck...I wonder if Iran or Korea could afford a squadron or two?* ;) :kilroy::isadizzy::pop4:

*possible...not actual orders

Allen

January 30th, 2010, 16:17

Maybe the Russians will be good sports and limit their production to just 187 aircraft, whaddaya think??? ;)

Maybe less. There going to hit evey thing we did too when it comes to stealth hardware. There non-stealth hardware may hold up better than the F-22 but we had lots of money to waste on the F-22, they don't have a lot to waste on this plane so it may all even out.

Marlin

February 5th, 2010, 15:59

Ken Stallings

February 5th, 2010, 16:21

Maybe less. There going to hit evey thing we did too when it comes to stealth hardware. There non-stealth hardware may hold up better than the F-22 but we had lots of money to waste on the F-22, they don't have a lot to waste on this plane so it may all even out.

So what you are really saying is the Russians are just flat better at building aircraft than us Americans are, right?

You really are showing a terribly biased and negative view overall.

Since World War II, in every war America has ever fought, not once has a war ended where Russian fighters enjoyed a kill ratio of better than one-to-one against US fighters. And contrary to popular belief, in those many wars several Russian pilots were secretly killed flying those Russian aircraft.

Not always did we have the better air-to-air fighter. As Steve Ritchie said, if he had one squadron of MiG-21's he would have established air superiority over Vietnam with them for the duration of the war! This is the man who shot down five Russian MiG's himself with the F-4E.

The F-15 was the best air superiority fighter in the world for three decades. It's an enviable run. Prior to your birth, people were claiming we wasted money on the F-15. I know, I was there when those arguments were being put forth. Now, those arguments look plainly stupid.

There's no free lunch. You have to pay to earn air superiority. But if you want to win the war you better have it and keep it. To me, keeping those soldiers safe in their mission on the ground isn't an example of wasting money to build and develop the F-22. By the time you reach my age the F-22 will still be America's premier air superiority fighter. Amortized over the next 30-50 years, the price we have paid will be mighty small indeed, and a pittance when considered as a percentage of the GNP of the nation who's mission it shall be to protect!

And that's assuming all one cares about is money!

Ken

Matt Wynn

February 5th, 2010, 16:31

Ken, back off the Gas there buddy...

i believe he means the hurdles faced and not who's technologically superior IN MY OPINION it's even... what he's saying is that the PAC-FA requirement for 200 aircraft may fall just as flat as Raptors Production Run... and they will still have hurdles to face before they even get to production...

Ken Stallings

February 5th, 2010, 16:37

Read his comments in the F-22 thread.

I think I'm being accurate in my observations.

The young man seems to excude a belief we can't build a fighter effectively or efficiently. Six decades of American dominance of this arena speaks to a different point of view. And I won't back off in using the facts to counter his assertions.

The prime reason I feel obliged to press these facts is to respect the many inspired aircraft designers and test pilots in American history who sacrificed so very much to earn us that dominance.

I have a lot of respect for Russian aircraft designers and test pilots also. Sergei Korolev was a genius in rocket design and earned praise long before he received it after his death.

But when I listen to someone say we "had money to waste" on the F-22, well that's very disrespectful to the thousands of people responsible for the F-22.

Cheers,

Ken