IRIS christen eagle FDE problems ?? [Archive]

Quixoticish

November 24th, 2009, 11:06

To loop one simply flies straight and level, and assuming sufficient airspeed it is simply a case of pulling back on the stick. One will notice the horizon vanish, only to reappear at the top of ones vision. Continuous pressure on said stick will quickly result in everything turning from blue to green. It is imperative that you do not release pressure on the stick or you and your aircraft will surely meet with an untimely demise! When the sky and ground are once again returned to normal, i.e with the ground beneath the sky at roughly the centre of your vision then you have completed your loop. Fly home for tea and medals.

Okay, so, sarcasm aside, it loops just fine. Just to check I fired up a quick flight, default weights, CTRL+E to start, and was able to loop after a few seconds of level flying once the wheels left the ground. Obviously it's even easier with more airspeed.

tigisfat

November 25th, 2009, 07:15

There are many 'expert' pilots who have failed to get perfectly fine FS products to perform maneuvers they are perfectly capable of. The natural machismo response is to accuse the FDE of being wrong.

The IRIS eagle is one of only two worthwhile aerobatic planes (FDEwise). The other is piglet's freeware Zlin 50l.

If you can handle the drop in fram rates, the IRIS eagle is worth it.

bstolle

November 25th, 2009, 07:35

Chris,

>It is imperative that you do not release pressure on the stick

Well, if you don't release some of the pressure near the top it will not be a round loop ;)
But I don't understand how a 'senior' reviewer can have so little knowledge/ability....

tigisfat,

>If you can handle the drop in fram rates, the IRIS eagle is worth it.

Thanx for the warning. I have slight framerate problems with all my IRIS planes, and I'm surprised that the really basic Eagle also suffers from those!
So I'll skip that one. Especially for aerobatics a plane with a very high framerate is essential IMHO.

Regards

Bernt

cheezyflier

November 25th, 2009, 08:09

tigisfat,

>If you can handle the drop in fram rates, the IRIS eagle is worth it.

Thanx for the warning. I have slight framerate problems with all my IRIS planes, and I'm surprised that the really basic Eagle also suffers from those!
So I'll skip that one. Especially for aerobatics a plane with a very high framerate is essential IMHO.

i think you misunderstand. the hit isn't that bad. i have it, and i garanteee i have the weakest computer on this forum. i do see a hit compared to default stuff, but not that bad. no other plane i have ever flown does what this one does. if you don't get it, you'll be missing out. it's not like your talking about a big chunk of $$ at risk as is the case with some payware. if you get it and don't like it, you haven't paid much for it, and no matter what, it is still flyable. you just might not see your max frame count with it.

mace

November 25th, 2009, 09:18

Hi.

I have the CEII, and neither on my machine, the frame rate does'nt drop.
And about the aerobatics, you can do loop of coarse, also in inverted too with the passenger on board in front of the pilot.

Try it out, it is a good add on for sure.

falcon409

November 25th, 2009, 09:50

. . . .So I read the new review at flightsim and the senior reviewer mentioned that it was not possible to perform a loop!?! Neither from level flight nor from a shallow dive.
This sounds really strange to me...
Yea, it should sound strange. . . .especially when it sounds like the loop, the most basic of all aerobatic maneuvers, was the only one he couldn't perform, lol. He also mentioned that one of the things he found most bothersome was having to pan and zoom inside the VC (he wanted a 2D panel w/popups). Well, isn't that what aerobatic pilots do, they visually pan and zoom the cockpit for references while performing?

He may be well versed in some areas, but he chose to review an airplane he had no knowledge of and then made observations that showed that lack of understanding.

dharris

November 25th, 2009, 13:00

tigisfat

November 25th, 2009, 14:08

I just purchased this also. It does not impact my frame rates at all. The problem I am having, is that only once have I heard the "sonic" prop sound that was so prevalant in the promo demo, and that was just for a second or two in tower view. Dropped support an email and also on the forum board. Saw others having the same problem.

The sound isn't supposed to be on all the time. It's only on at certain angles from the aircraft, like it should be and is in real life. Look up videos shot from the ground of snap rolls or tumbles. You get the same effect.

The IRIS sound effects are just fine, and they add a depth not before seen.

bstolle

November 25th, 2009, 23:13

I remember a strange thread where even IRIS admitted that there's a serious sound bug (concerning the supersonic noise I assume) but they won't tell because not all customers notice it....?!?

Regards

Bernt

dharris

November 26th, 2009, 07:15

Check their forum, the guy before me asked the same question and the tread was locked. I asked it and they wanted my purchase info before giving service. Problem is tigisfat, you may know the sonic sound is only availabel from the ground, occasionally, I did not. They advertised it as a big thing. The demo showed this with the sound almost constantly on, so one that (did not know better as you obviously do) would expect the sound to be there when doing manuvers. This sound help set it apart from others, unique. Paid alot for nothing much. The 300 works well, not as advanced, maybe for a "pro" but certainly not for entertainment purposes. If this was only an occasional sound effect it should not have been played up so big in the demo, and said it would only be heard from the ground, of which I very rarely ever use this view. Comes down to what you expect from advertisers, I had heard that Iris always had good sound files. Perhaps this is a bug, or the demo was edited. I just want what was shown or a refund. Simple as that. Not to much to expect

tigisfat

November 26th, 2009, 08:02

..... Problem is tigisfat, you may know the sonic sound is only availabel from the ground, occasionally, I did not. They advertised it as a big thing. The demo showed this with the sound almost constantly on, so one that (did not know better as you obviously do) would expect the sound to be there when doing manuvers. ......

It's not only on from the ground, it's only on from certain angles, just like in real life. The first 15 seconds of this video illustrate what IRIS achieved:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw-rwbnCIQY

I hope this helps you understand a little better.

The error he's talking about is not one anybody in this thread has hit on.

dharris

November 26th, 2009, 08:21

Thank you for the video. It does show the original posters issue, it also shows my view that the sound will manuvering is totally different from what is actually present with the Christen eagle sim plane. This is the sound I was after, this is the sound on their demo. That is all I was wanting.

alpine

November 26th, 2009, 08:55

Hi,dharris!
On my system it is the typical "FSX-sound-bug", that other members also experience: when cycling through the views and coming from VC to outside spotview, I have one some planes the idlesound mixed in. The only thing that helps is pushing back the throttle to idle and rev again.
Same procedure with the Iris Eagle: sonicsond is gone - push back the throttle and rev again + don`t fly with low probrevs...

Cheers, Thilo

tigisfat

November 26th, 2009, 08:57

Thank you for the video. It does show the original posters issue,....??? The original poster said they were worried that the IRIS couldn't be looped, which we know isn't true. The OP said nothing about sounds.

it also shows my view that the sound will manuvering is totally different from what is actually present with the Christen eagle sim plane. This is the sound I was after, this is the sound on their demo. That is all I was wanting.This sound will not be heard inside a real aerobatic aircraft, and such, it won't be heard inside the IRIS eagle.

Can you link to the demo and explain exactly which part you don't like? I thought I did, but I don't think I understand what you're getting at.

dharris

November 26th, 2009, 09:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_iP6G0i6XE&feature=player_embedded this is the 4 min video promo that I watched and drew from it that the sounds were prevelant from the outside view when doing aerobatics. You can see at time 2:25 and 3:50 in the video that this is not tower view but shot from altitude. If mine sounded like this form external view, I would think I got a very good deal. Without this, it is only average and would ask for a refund. This video is what I expected to receive, it is not what I have. Thank you for your time in this , and forgive me if I have hijacked an other wise informative post

tigisfat

November 26th, 2009, 09:29

CodyValkyrie

November 26th, 2009, 10:52

Ahem... those shots I took of the plane for the demo video actually were recorded in game and unaltered. They were also shot at altitude from the pass view, NOT the Tower View. The sound recording is perfectly fine within the restrictions of FS, and to be honest is a MAJOR first for the simulation. I, even though I have a dog in the fight but did not formally work on the development of this product find it a little strange of the crazy accusations that people are putting out about this plane.

Can't loop? Sound isn't right?

What's next? To be perfectly honest, I think the problem that most people have is "perceived," or rather the placebo effect.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

dharris

November 26th, 2009, 11:08

Having been around the flights sim world since fs4 I have some finese at these things. I am glad that what I saw was the real deal. Unfortunately, that is not what appears on my pc. If it were there would be no problem for me. The sound effects were what sealed the deal for me. The video was well done and was quite enjoyable. NO discredit for you. I just want the same effects for myself after purchasing this. If you are saying I don't know how to configure the game,system or whatever then that is another matter

CodyValkyrie

November 26th, 2009, 11:55

In order for me to get those sounds, you have the aircraft moving about it's axis in relation to the position of the camera. In the film, the easiest way for me to accomplish this was to simply input full aileron deflection and elevator deflection. As the aircraft tumbled about, the audio simply took care of the rest. If it is not doing this for you, then there is a problem.

CBris

November 26th, 2009, 12:15

Strange to see this still causing issues... The IRIS Eagle doesn't need re-configuring.

The supersonic tip sound is audible in normal exterior view 8 degrees either side of the prop disc. You can even edit that in the sound.cfg to a wider angle. It would sound awful, but then hey, you want to hear the supersonic sound from odd angles, then hey, feel free :engel016:

You can even make it audible from the inside - OK, it would be wrong, but then again... if you want it that way, go ahead.

The sounds in the demo films are pretty good and fairly realistic. Go to youtube and watch the aerobatic videos taken from the ground of a real Eagle - you'll hear the same. No, I shan't post a link - there's enough to be found.

Loop? Anything above 138 Kts straight and level and she'll go over the top quite nicely - even with pax.

Remove the gal and the luggage, defuel to display weight (50% ish fuel) and the darn thing will sit up and beg, roll over, point, speak, fetch... and just about do anything an aerobatic plane should do. Go for the 320 HP version and you'll even get pretty damn good Lomcevoks out of the beast.

All straight out of the box. No tweaking and on an older PC. 60+ FPS in a clean install FSX to SP2, 25 plus with about 200GB of addons (all sliders high to max). If you want to fly aeros, then all you need do is pull back the sliders. In my "full" FSX config with all the sceneries, she'll produce 40+ FPS with the sliders predominantly left and no traffic.

My PC is based on a three and a half y.o. AMD FX62 chip / nVidia 8800 GTS on two monitors (24" and 19")

I expect that next year's sim aerobatic world champs will go to an Iris Eagle. Hell, even I can do great eight pointers in her, just guess what a good peelow will do?

dharris

November 26th, 2009, 12:39

Thank you for your input, this may help Iris to troubleshoot the problem. Would like to keep this plane but not paying $35 us for something less than advertised. Thanks again.

CBris

November 26th, 2009, 12:46

Hmmm, with 4.3 GHz and those peripherals, you'll be cooking!

I am only on 2.8 GHz and only 4 GB DDR2 800 GHz RAM

If folk are getting less than advertised I will seriously dare you to check your computers and installed software. Sorry, this is one time I must support the claims and say the plane performs as described.

dharris

November 26th, 2009, 12:59

My pc specs
Gigabyte EP45-UD3R, Intel Core2Duo 333 MHZ E8600 Xigmatek HDT-S1283 CPU Cooler
4 GB G-Skill F2-8500CL5, EVGA GTX 260
Mushkin 580 watt quad rail power supply, RaidMax Smilodon case with 3 fans
WD Veloraptor drive 150gb for FSX alone. 2 Seagate 160gb and one 320gb drive
WinXP Pro Sp3
Win XP 64
The raptor drive is accesible to both 32 bit sytem and 64 bit system. Only thing on 64 bit system is the operation system. Both fly about the same. Fsx, fex, gex, fsgenisi mesh and landclass. Runs fsx great. locked framesat 50 most sliders full left, except traffic, at 54 percent. Frames depending on scenery type, photo or default runs from 32 to 50, used Nick Needhams setup for fsx and windows.Using Nhancer. Took Ted's advice to get Raptor and 260 gtx video card, excellent advice by the way. I checked another site that sells this and it alluded to a patch in the install location... this form flightsimstore.com........If you are running SP1 or SP2, a patch in your Microsoft Flight Simulator X/IRIS Pro Series folder is required to be run AFTER installing this product. sent this to tech support

cheezyflier

November 26th, 2009, 15:35

dell dimension 2400
2.8 ghz p4
2G ram
nvidea geforce fx5500 (pci slot)
on-board sound
17" monitor
no tweaks or overclocking

and it's still flyable for me. maybe not as smooth as default, but if i can fly it anyone should be able to.

tigisfat

November 26th, 2009, 20:41

I'm still not sure exactly what is going wrong for you, dharris, but cbris about sums it up.

dharris

November 27th, 2009, 13:07

Cbris, was able to get the sonic sound finally on one flight. Just outside the prop arc. Flew for about five minutes this way, tumbling, looping, whatever. All files must be installed in this case. I was wondering about your comment early on....Strange to see this still causing issues... The IRIS Eagle doesn't need re-configuring.

The supersonic tip sound is audible in normal exterior view 8 degrees either side of the prop disc. You can even edit that in the sound.cfg to a wider angle. It would sound awful, but then hey, you want to hear the supersonic sound from odd angles, then hey, feel free :engel016:and was wondering if you had the time if you could tell me what to change in order to increase the angle. I have tried twice more to get the sound back, but only get it occasionally. Also found that by moving throlle to idle and back to full stop, engine will now rev the way it was supposed to. Thank you

CBris

November 28th, 2009, 10:05

Sorry that you had to worry about my comments there dharris, but I have had the IRIS Eagle on for a fair few months now - through several alpha and beta versions too. Never once had any of the problems you described. Nor did other beta testers.

There are other issues though and maybe if you'd raised these...

But then again, these are known and will be addressed at a later date I am sure.

Just fly and enjoy - she really is great fun!

dharris

November 28th, 2009, 11:03

I got a little help on iris forum and downloaded a sound cfg that widens the sound feild some. Will work with this until the other issues are fixed. Thank you for your time and comments.

boxcar

November 28th, 2009, 11:56

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The IRIS Christen Eagles are by far the most fun aircraft in my hanger. Running quite well on my lil' system, actually.

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