New FSX P-51D Mustang not far away

[Naki]

See this thread over here at Simforums...

http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29923

[Rezabrya]

Is it just me or does the pilot seem huge?

[Quicksand]

Ya gotta remember, Ryan, that the pilots of old wore either a canvas or leather flying helmet that looked much smaller than the modern ones...:mixedsmi:

[deimos256]

that radiator scoop on the bottom looks kinda huge, regardless ill be looking for this release, any idea if there will be any sort of engine damage modeling? Pinning the throttle forward with no worries kind of bored me nowadays.

[djscoo]

The nose is a little wonky in my opinion, and I agree that the pilot is big too.

[Slug Flyer]

Don't see what this has to offer that the A2A model doesn't. Exterior model looks decidedly inferior, the windscreen is wrong for one thing (almost no taper).

[Naki]

It looks like a P-51 Mustang to me!

"The nose is wonky, the windscreen is the wrong angle, the pilots too big, the radiators the wrong size"..glad I'm not a developer. Isnt best to wait until the things out to make a final judgement?

Did you guys not see the overlay of the wireframe over a picture the real one..plus the comment by Jankees and subsequent correction of the nose area in the link I posted above...it looks pretty good to my eyes...and no I have nothing to do with Aeroplane Heaven or Flight 1.

[djscoo]

Did you guys not see the overlay of the wireframe over a picture the real one..
Ahhh...
correction: The nose looks wonky in the first screenshots.

[Rick_Piper]

Not another one!

i will stick with the A2A as it rings all the right bells with me.

all the 100s of unmodelled aircraft and they make another P51D!

come on guys use some imagination and pick something we need:kilroy:

Regards
Rick

[vstudios]

Hi Rick please speak your mind.. and let us know.


Not another one!

all the 100s of unmodelled aircraft and they make another P51D!

come on guys use some imagination and pick something we need:kilroy:

Regards
Rick

[Reddog]

Hi Rick please speak your mind.. and let us know.
Not Rick but:

Piper Commanche
Cessna 180/185 wheels and amphibs
Cessna 310 early straight tail

[gajit]

Not another one!

i will stick with the A2A as it rings all the right bells with me.

all the 100s of unmodelled aircraft and they make another P51D!

come on guys use some imagination and pick something we need:kilroy:

Regards
Rick


Rick - i absoulutely agree :ernae:

[Odie]

Never too many ponies for the herd....clearing a spot in the hangar for this one....:applause:

[txnetcop]

Hi Rick please speak your mind.. and let us know.

You did a great job on that Hellcat. I own it now, but honestly I am Mustanged out unless it comes with Accusim. The only other Cub I wanna see is a Super Cub. It is time for some new stuff to be developed guys. Some time back we did a list of planes we want to see in FSX. I am hoping somebody is listening. You guys do really good work and we have a host of other great developers...please check that list! Maybe we should start a new one.
Ted

[jankees]

Personally, I would love a Marauder, and a really good Harvard, and a good Storch, for starters...

[Major_Spittle]

Don't see what this has to offer that the A2A model doesn't. Exterior model looks decidedly inferior, the windscreen is wrong for one thing (almost no taper).

I thought it looked way way better than my A2A, hands down. Bump mapping is sweet.

To me the exterior is only about 30% of the model and I don't get too excited about pictures anymore. Engine and system modeling, sound, and flight modeling are what sell a plane to me.

I will never be the one worrying much over pilot size, markings, or windscreen angle. :ernae:

[tigisfat]

all the 100s of unmodelled aircraft and they make another P51D!


Oh yeah? Show me one that's been done really well, and looks as good as some of the newer releases we're getting now.

[txnetcop]

Oh yeah? Show me one that's been done really well, and looks as good as some of the newer releases we're getting now.

Tell ya what Tigs everyone is entitled to their opinion. IS THAT OK WITH YOU?????
Ted

[gajit]

You did a great job on that Hellcat. I own it now, but honestly I am Mustanged out unless it comes with Accusim. The only other Cub I wanna see is a Super Cub. It is time for some new stuff to be developed guys. Some time back we did a list of planes we want to see in FSX. I am hoping somebody is listening. You guys do really good work and we have a host of other great developers...please check that list! Maybe we should start a new one.
Ted

I agree with that as well Ted :ernae:

[txnetcop]

Don't want this to get off topic. The Mustang is really nice, just expressing some frustration with the same aircraft over and over. This one does look like a keeper
Ted

[Rick_Piper]

Hi Guys

I wasn't saying the new mustang was not well modelled etc.

I was saying that we don't need another so soon.

A mustang nut will part with his hard earned for another but most people who have the A2A will stay where they are so you just limit your income by choosiing a model that already has it's market filled.

It's only my opinion and will not stop anyone buying your rendition :ernae:

not much point me listing all the missing models as it would fill up the whole forum but you don't need to look very far.

I spend a long time making sure i don't model anything that already has been done in recent times

But then again i found that making payware to try and get rich was also a complete waste of time & effort.

which is why i have gone back to freeware for good (or until i get offered a proper amount of money for the job in hand)

Regards
Rick

[Bomber_12th]

Just think about how much time is invested in such a project - (years!) - and then when it comes down to the final month or week of work, and it is claimed that it is not needed now. As such, who would have thought at the beginning of its production or even research stage that it would join a couple of others in the pipeline as well - no, this is not going to be the last Mustang you see produced for FSX, and I am sure each is going to be very different from one another.

I'm not affiliated with AH, but look at all of the other various aircraft they have produced! I sure wish I could back up my own Mustang production with the same experience that AH has building everything from WWI wood and fabric aircraft, to the DH Mosquito, the Connie, and who else has built a Boomerang, F3F, or Schmittfire?

This just my own opinion, and I don't think the Mustang market, at least from my trained eye, is close to being filled at all, as there is far too much room for improvement over what has been available.

[Henry]

Who mentioned Mosquitoes:ernae:
my mossie alarm went off:icon_lol:
have we not had similar discussions before
its a free world people can make what they wish
whether is sells or not time will tell
myself im not a p51D fan
just the earlier versions
H

[huub vink]

It seems we are turning into a bunch of grumpy old men here :d.

Well at least I must be getting old as I can remember the day we were still happy with new releases.

Most discussions in this thread have been done before. Yes modern helmets do look big in vintage aircrafts. Yes the Mustang is a popular model. Yes 2A2 makes models as well. Yes when you are in the candy business, perhaps the 3 factories making chocolate sell more than the one who is trying to sell cowsh*t.

Sorry guys, I better finish now as I just realised I'm just a grumpy old man ;)

Huub

[Naki]

I dont have a Mustang in FSX (other than the default one) as I was a late FSX starter..but I will be keen if this model is at least equivalent to the Realair Spitfire in all aspects..I will wait and see.

Is the A2A Mustang fully FSX or a portover?

[Panther_99FS]

Personally,
I think everyone needs to take up some photography - keeps you relaxed & cool about life :wiggle:

[IanP]

Oh yeah? You haven't seen me fighting with depth of field and little Lego people!!! http://www.ianpsdarkcorner.co.uk/notfair.gif

My own take on this is that it will sell. If you don't want it and would rather wait for A2A's, then that's entirely your perogative. More money to spend on beer in the meantime! :wiggle:

[Panther_99FS]

Oh yeah? You haven't seen me fighting with depth of field and little Lego people!!! http://www.ianpsdarkcorner.co.uk/notfair.gif


:icon_lol:........What's your aperture ? :engel016:

[IanP]

http://forum.siminsider.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=552

Although this thread is a little more apt to the topic, if not much... ;)

http://forum.siminsider.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=553

[Panther_99FS]

Thanks Ian,
I haven't been there for a bit - time for me to show up again :jump:

[Nick C]

It seems we are turning into a bunch of grumpy old men here :d.

Well at least I must be getting old as I can remember the day we were still happy with new releases. Huub

In FSX, that was when there was about 5 of us in this forum. :d

[JIMJAM]

I understand the universal appeal of the Cub and Mustang. Especially among Joe Q public there are 4 planes.
If its small it s either a Piper Cub or a generic" Cessna".
If its a big airliner is a 747. Every small jet is a Lear jet.

I understand the univeral appeal of the Cub and Stang but cmon.....
But ya right. When times are lean we all bitch about it then when it rains Cubs and Mustangs, well we dont really bitch to much unless they are over $60.
I am starting to wonder if some of you guys actually fly all of your planes and helis? I have a few dozen and most sit idle and maybe once or twice a month for kicks I will take one up for a quick spin. I still have another dozen or so earlier FSX paywares I have not even bothered loading since my last reinstall.
My latest the A2a Cub and Tongass have been my flavor of the month but I am already getting bored. Soon it will be hangered collecting dust until the nexr must have comes out. I think there are enough aircraft out there already much less threepeats. Maybe more sceneries which I seem to get the most mileage out of.

[deimos256]

I understand the universal appeal of the Cub and Mustang. Especially among Joe Q public there are 4 planes.
If its small it s either a Piper Cub or a generic" Cessna".
If its a big airliner is a 747. Every small jet is a Lear jet.

I understand the univeral appeal of the Cub and Stang but cmon.....
But ya right. When times are lean we all bitch about it then when it rains Cubs and Mustangs, well we dont really bitch to much unless they are over $60.
I am starting to wonder if some of you guys actually fly all of your planes and helis? I have a few dozen and most sit idle and maybe once or twice a month for kicks I will take one up for a quick spin. I still have another dozen or so earlier FSX paywares I have not even bothered loading since my last reinstall.
My latest the A2a Cub and Tongass have been my flavor of the month but I am already getting bored. Soon it will be hangered collecting dust until the nexr must have comes out. I think there are enough aircraft out there already much less threepeats. Maybe more sceneries which I seem to get the most mileage out of.

I know there are a ton of craft that I bought and never fly anymore, but then again i have phases where ill fly in FSX nonstop and then i wont touch it for a month. The a2a cub is not something i would normally buy but i was blown away by their p-47 so It was a no brainer, sadly though it has been neglected now that there are 2 p-38s recently released, but therein lies a problem too, two p-38s each with their own issues, one having stunning visuals and flight model, but refuses to run decent on my system, the other being very frame freindly but full of bugs and inaccuracies, so which one do you choose? All I can do right now is fly both and pull my hair out trying to choose which one to delete.

[tigisfat]

Tell ya what Tigs everyone is entitled to their opinion. IS THAT OK WITH YOU?????
Ted

Sure; I was expressing mine: I don't have a problem with more P-51s, because they're awesome and I'm waiting for the right one. Every modeller/texture guy has teir own trademark. I'm partial to the kind of stuff that Milviz and Aerosoft put out. I like the high-detail, photoreal baked in texture kind of VC.

[txnetcop]

Good for you, all I ask that you respect others opinions. That shouldn't be too hard.
Ted

[Nick C]

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Mmmmmm....
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http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_001.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_002.jpg
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[Rezabrya]

You are so lucky Nick...
I have to ask though, how are the systems modeled? What kind of systems management does it have?

[tigisfat]

You are so lucky Nick...
I have to ask though, how are the systems modeled? What kind of systems management does it have?

I believe they've done a great job with the dual INSs, but I've heard that they didn't simulate reciever autonomous integrity modelling for the GPS units. How could anyone ever fly a CAT II approach to minimums that way?

....I'm just playing with you. I'm no P-51 expert, do they have any systems that would cause a developer any out of the ordinary stress?

[The Rev]

Hello chaps,

Nick pointed out this thread about the upcoming Aeroplane Heaven/Flight1 P-51D.

I run the European office of Flight1 and thought would drop a few answers and thoughts to the various questions here. I am not one really for forums, so go easy on me. I am very blessed to also fly a very high performance aircraft for real, love old aircraft, know many owners of them and so this project became a little bit of a passion of mine. So here I am saying hello and joining in :wavey:

Yep, there are other P51 add-ons out there. But there weren't any good ones when we started this project well over a year ago now - maybe longer!

Yep the first images on the Simforums thread were pretty early shots. We've done a lot of tweaking and alterations to a whole number of areas since then. Nick's two shots here are representative of the final product. He will post more I hope :icon_lol:

First thing to remember is if you ask three different pilots about something to do with flying you will get three dfferent answers! The same is is with P51 owners and pilots. Each plane has been restored slightly differently, there are countless different canopies for one thing - without even getting started on cockpit layouts, compass cards, lighting arrangements and other details.

Even Maurice Hammond who rebuilt two P51s and flies and owns them both (and who helped us with many hours of time pouring over his aircraft and him flying our sim model and advising on how things should be) has canopies which are different on each aircraft. We took a view of modelling as best we could a 'factory-fresh' P-51D. So no rear seats as many restored versions have instead of the centre fuel tank and a cockpit layout that fits the POH c1944.

The cockpit is roomy in a P51, but with a modern helmet on you have to duck your head to close the canopy, so yes the pilot can look big at some angles. But he is the right size in our version I promise you. I took pictures of Maurice in his aircraft and you would wonder with some of them how he would fit at all, at other air to air images he looks tiny.

And yes this is a ground up FSX development, not a port from anything else.

We have modelled everything that makes sense to model - the pilot uses oxygen above 8000ft and you see him with mask on above that height for example.

Yes, we modelled WEP. There is (well was in WWII) a wire gate if you needed to really get the hell out of there. We have modelled this, so full throttle will take you to 61". But you need to 'break the wire' if you want to unleash the final few inches of MP. Just remember that this usually would involve a post sortie engine inspection, strip down in some cases and possible rebuild. Thankfully in FSX you can just load a new one in without a $100,000 bill.

We did initially model engine seizure if you fly inverted for too long (the Packard Merlin had an injection carbuerettor so it was the lack of oil from the scavenger pump that prevented flyig upside down rather than fuel starvation as many seem to think - the POH warns against flying inverted for more than 10s) - but the way FSX and different computers work together meant we couldn't get this to be accurate as it should be. So we removed it as I'd rather not have something in than have it done badly. Does that make a difference? Maybe. But which one of use is going to fly upside down for 30s (well apart from me, but that is a long story for another thread...)

We modelled what happens if you over-prime her. I'll leave that as a surprise, though Nick may post up a shot. Though you can all probably guess.

We have a variety of different weapon load-outs and wing tank fitments and such like for those who want them.

We modelled the gun ports individually for Maurice's aircraft which are different from those on other P51s.

We changed the look of the wing spar internally when the gear is down. We modelled the hydraulic bleed off for the undercarriage doors.

It was impossible to see the centre fuel gauge without Track IR (it's located behind the pilot's left shoulder) so we added a special view for that.

The performance is right on the numbers. She sounds beautiful. She handles as a P51 does. She has massive torque as you'd expect (by way of a sad warning: Maurice told me a story of a friend of his who owned a P51 in the US very sadly died when going around as an aircraft lined wass on the runway and not visible, as he accidentally put on too much power at low speed and the torque flipped the aircraft on its back).

Like most high performance aircraft she is pussy cat when treated right, but will bite if you don't.

There are compromises which as a real pilot bug me a teeny weeny bit but would feel unnatural in FSX - for example the sound when flying aircraft like this is LOUD. Now in a real aircraft with a big lump the sounds tends to go from throaty, thumpy loudness at idle-1200rpm to screaming deafening loudness at anything above that. With perhaps a added wail/ear bleed sound at absolute full throttle. When sitting in the cockpit. It's either quiet or loud basically. The same with the Mustang, their pilots tell me. But this would just annoy you all if we replicated that exactly, so the sound is a real Mustang sound, is real loud but more progressive as you push the throttle forward. It seems better and nicer in the sim that way.

Don't worry, I write the above just to give you a feel for the fact that in simulation there are some little compromises that make it a better product. Just as it's nice not to have ring up the insurance company when you hit a tree/hangar/go off the runway, etc. with a $1.5m aircraft :icon_lol:

I am sure you will like how she sounds!

I guess I am saying a lot of love went into this...


We have LOTS of documention with it and a very nice colour feature about Maurice and the rebuild of his Marinell aircraft and touchingly a bit about the man who flew Marinell - the aircradt was shot down after 45 days of being operational. For me I never forget what those chaps did for us all back then and I guess I just want to capture a little bit of the spirit of the aircraft and hope that it gives a little chill down the back of your spine, as it does me whether it's the simulated one or as we all undoubtedly feel when we see and hear a real one fly past.

Anyway indulgent emotions aside, we will be selling this little baby for $34.95 by download) and a few more tweaks aside we should be ready to have this one on sale next week.

Flight1 operates a money-back guarantee on all its products, so you can try it and if you like it keep it and tell others, if not then get your money back and you will no doubt tell others too anyway!

But I hope you like it, have room in your hangar for it. And any other questions in the mean time then I will do my best to answer them!

[RudiJG1]

Well said, Rev, and thanks so much for the background and update...looking forward to test-driving this one.

[Nick C]

Thanks for taking the time to register to the forums Mungo and welcome. :wavey:

Here are some additional shots for the thirsty (sorry, haven't killed the engine yet).

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_004.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_007.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_008.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_017.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_032.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_033.jpg
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[jankees]

..and I always thought Col Landers was the pilot of the 'big beautiful doll'?

Ok, let's be a bit critical here:
too bad the checkers don't line up on the tail of #40, and too bad they are not parallel to the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. They usually were in the 325th FG.
The textures seem a bit mismatched in the BBB shot too, and the victory markings are a bit too blurry to my liking. Is this using 2048 textures?
There is a very clear texture edge visible just forward of the canopy in the Old Crow shot as well, like in the BBB, it would be nice if that became less obvious.
Sorry to point these things out, I'm a bit of an idiot when it comes to Mustangs...
Good luck with the final touches!

[Odie]

Nick C..looks good...especially the one landing...thanks for posting!

[MikeH]

Have to say that this P-51 looks excellent. I will be visiting 'Janie' & 'Marinell' later today at their home - Hardwick airfield, Norfolk for the 93rd Bomb Group museum's monthly open day.

I'm wondering if anyone is planning to model the grass strip at Hardwick? I can do the grass runway but have'nt got the skill (yet) to make & place custom buildings. Can take plenty of photos though for anyone that wants to have a go.

Mike

PS The pilot does'nt look too big, if youv'e ever met Maurice Hammond, the owner of 'Janie' & 'Marinell' you'll know that he's a big guy.

[Nick C]

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http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_039.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_041.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_042.jpg

http://www.screenshotartist.co.uk/images/F1/p51/f1_p51_040.jpg
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[Rezabrya]

Nick, how are the sounds? And Frame rates?

[Nick C]

The sounds are fantastic, not sure about the frames as I don't use the counter, but I haven't suffered any stutters or anything.

[Rezabrya]

Nick, you're gonna make me buy this thing yet. Your screenies are amazing. Thanks for the input!

[Bjoern]

YABM - Yet another bloody Mustang.

Come on guys, this is getting boring....what about a DC-8, early 737 or Mercure?

:kilroy:

[IanP]

Ask that a year ago, Bjoern, when you get the time machine. Or has your development experience so far not told you how long these things take to reach the stage they were at?

A year ago, we had ZERO Mustangs. We now have two. Hardly "masses" and "overload" or anything else.

Seriously. If you're not interested, read another thread and ignore Mustang ones. It's not hard.

[Slug Flyer]

Come on guys, this is getting boring....what about a DC-8, early 737 or Mercure?


Bjoern, surely by now you must have realized that the particular area of (simulated) aviation you're interested in is not the same one that the majority of people on this forum are interested in, and the one which this forum was, in fact, originally set up to cater to.

Anyway, Nick's screenshots are impeccable as always, but for me they confirm that this rendition of the Mustang does not, to my eye, look like an accurate and convincing representation of the real thing. I will not be purchasing.

[Bjoern]

Ask that a year ago, Bjoern, when you get the time machine. Or has your development experience so far not told you how long these things take to reach the stage they were at?

A year ago, we had ZERO Mustangs. We now have two. Hardly "masses" and "overload" or anything else.

Seriously. If you're not interested, read another thread and ignore Mustang ones. It's not hard.


Bjoern, surely by now you must have realized that the particular area of (simulated) aviation you're interested in is not the same one that the majority of people on this forum are interested in, and the one which this forum was, in fact, originally set up to cater to.

Points taken.

[empeck]

ZERO

You're right, we need a Zero... A6M Zero :kilroy:

(just kidding...)

[IanP]

A2A already have one as part of the WW2 Fighters pack which has respawned FSX versions of the P-51D, Bf109, P-47 and Spitfire.

I wonder if an FSX upgrade for the A6M is already on the cards? It would be nice to have, although I believe they are up to their necks in another Accu-Sim package already at the moment.

[empeck]

I've read somewhere they won't upgrade Zero to FSX native :(

[IanP]

Nope. You're quite right. :(

http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=12309

[Naki]

does not, to my eye, look like an accurate and convincing representation of the real thing. I will not be purchasing.

In what way?

[Slug Flyer]

In what way?

What difference does it make to you? I'm not interested in arguing aesthetics; a Mustang, it seems, is in the eye of the beholder. You like it, you buy it. I don't, I won't. No point in me taking the time to say anything further.

[Stickshaker]

What difference does it make to you? I'm not interested in arguing aesthetics; a Mustang, it seems, is in the eye of the beholder. You like it, you buy it. I don't, I won't. No point in me taking the time to say anything further.

What then is te use of telling us you won't purchase? I have the experience that contacting developers directly with specific - constructive - critisism is appreciated by them. In this thread there are several posts with detail critisism but these are almost entirely negative. Why not also mention positive points? That is much more encouraging and constructive and developers can then better decide what to modify and what to retain, given limited resources.

[Slug Flyer]

What then is te use of telling us you won't purchase? I have the experience that contacting developers directly with specific - constructive - critisism is appreciated by them. In this thread there are several posts with detail critisism but these are almost entirely negative. Why not also mention positive points? That is much more encouraging and constructive and developers can then better decide what to modify and what to retain, given limited resources.

I mentioned one specific problem I had with the model (the windscreen) before. That was dismissed. As for positive points...seems to me like there's a lot of laudatory, cheerleading posts in every thread about a new model, whereas every time someone raises a beef...we end up having an exchange like this.

[gajit]

Rev -as you took the time to write to us - I will buy this and expect to keep it! Tx

[jeansy]

i quite like it i think im keen on this one

[Quicksand]

Rev, thank you for your post. I will be waiting for this one, as I will never pass up a product that models my favorite aircraft, and especially one that models it this well.....:icon29:

[The Rev]

I appreciate all the comments that have been made, both positive (and negative). We have really done our best to make a P-51D that captures the feel of the machine, inside and out.

I will be honest and say that I am sure there are some areas we could spend more time on - though after the many, many hours of photographs, cross-checking models against photographs, poring over it with P51 pilots who fly the aircraft weekly, if not daily during the summer I feel we have got 99% there... but we have tried to make something beautiful, accurate and affordable! And flyable too of course. :mixedsmi:

We could likley spend another whole year on this developing and still not please everyone! And then you'd complain at the price we'd have to charge you to fly it...

Anyway, we offer a money-back policy. So buy her, fly her and see what you think. I hope you like her. If you don't then you've lost nothing.

All the best,

Mungo

[Boomer]

Im not sure how I 1st missed this thread but must say that I am excited now.

The model looks stunning, the commentary by Rev was inspiring, the price is attractive & the Flight1 wrapper for purchase sealed the deal.

Looking forward to it :applause::applause::applause:

[The Rev]

Have to say that this P-51 looks excellent. I will be visiting 'Janie' & 'Marinell' later today at their home - Hardwick airfield, Norfolk for the 93rd Bomb Group museum's monthly open day.

I'm wondering if anyone is planning to model the grass strip at Hardwick? I can do the grass runway but have'nt got the skill (yet) to make & place custom buildings. Can take plenty of photos though for anyone that wants to have a go.

Mike




That's a nice idea Mike . I've been up there a fair few times by car and plane and it would be a nice one to model. It would give people a bit of a challenge - both to find it and to land at! Let me put some feelers out for a scenery designer...

Mungo

[MikeH]

That's a nice idea Mike . I've been up there a fair few times by car and plane and it would be a nice one to model. It would give people a bit of a challenge - both to find it and to land at! Let me put some feelers out for a scenery designer...

Mungo


Many thanks Mungo.

Mike H

[IanP]

I'll see whether I can do a scruffy SDK version in the meantime. I was looking at Hardwick as an option for a scruffy WW2 rebuild, so already have the GeoTIFF files saved. And I did Raydon already, if anyone wants the period Janie's base of operations.

[The Rev]

Chaps,

Just thought would let you know that she's now out and ready for purchase. I am sure you will all undoubtedly have your thoughts both positive and negative - but do give her a try if you feel that way inclined!

The product page link is here:

http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=p51dmustang

All the best,

Mungo

[gajit]

Sorry Mungo but I just bought it and just cant sit in the VC for more than a few seconds - the texturing is just disappointing. External model textures and bump mapping etc is nowhere near other existing products like warbirdsim and A2A - So sorry not to like it.

[The Rev]

Well obviously sorry to hear that. If you get an opportunity to sit in a few Mustangs, in particular the Maurice Hammond restored aircraft that are 'factory-fresh' according to Maurice who spent over ten years and several million pounds painstakingly researching and restoring his two, then you would be bowled over with the similarity.

But as ever with these things, it is very much an artistic endeavour and I quite accept that certain styles do not suit certain eyes. There is no wrong or right. I have shown several P51 pilots who think the products you mention do not capture the feel, and am perfectly sure you will find others who think the other titles out there do better than ours. Such is the way of these things.

I would ideally urge more than a few seconds impression perhaps before a final judgement, but have no qualms if it's not your sort of thing. Perfectly understandable as we are all human and WWII aircraft in particular strike up hardened opinion if they do not capture what we feel is 'right' even though so few of use have had the privilege to fly them or spend enough time around them.

Such is the way of these things.

All the best,

Mungo

[gajit]

Thanks for your understanding Mungo.

[Flame-Prop]

Gonna drop the bomb on this topic by bringing in the Warbird Sim's p51's :kilroy: But I like this alot, when it comes to the P-51's I will accept to see each modeler's version of the aircraft

[fsxar177]

Gonna drop the bomb on this topic by bringing in the Warbird Sim's p51's :kilroy: But I like this alot, when it comes to the P-51's I will accept to see each modeler's version of the aircraft

Okay, I must admit, it was curious to see this thread revisited...

I appreciate every FS model of the P-51 that has come (and gone) in the years since at least FS98. It seems with many, there have been building blocks to where we are today. Of course, many thanks to the developers who have devoted much time, money, and energy into these creations..

My old fav., was Chris Lampard's freeware model for FS98. Of course, remember the old Tanaka models? Then there was Alain L'Homme, some serious breakthroughs with that model! Maybe one of us should compile a "history" of the mustang in MSFS...would be an interesting read!

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb331/fsxar177/mustangramp.jpg

Joseph

[Flame-Prop]

I am eagerly waiting for A2A Simulators to finish their re-furbished P51 FSX version and of course the magic ingredient that all A2A aircraft should have is Accusim. So far I came across the freeware P51 with excellect photo-realistic paints, then I came across Warbird Sim's P-51 Little friends I which does indeed feel like you are rideing the real thing. For the sound, TSS have made a sound pack for the P51 (FS2004) but I decided to use it for FSX which works just as well. However after hearing the plane fly, once again the quest for the the sound is Still in search to full recreate the experience. Warbirdsim has added the howling sound and with a few tweaks of mine I was able to match 98% to the real sound. Of course would of been great if there was the click sound as you played with the switches, I heard thoes however in A2A's P-51 :kilroy: if you have a good ear. I have to say, Scott's voice from A2A team has a very authentic sound to it if you watch some of their videos. I keep wondering if Warbird Sim would ever work toghether with A2A so they can use their P-51 model and add Accusim, which i must be dreaming about since the Accusim has already been fired into the P51.

[crashaz]

WBS sure has the most accurate model of the Stang no doubt.

Granted we have seen nothing of the A2A model as of yet.... I am sure they realize where the bar now stands. It's a very high one. I am looking forward to the Accusim for sure!