AV-8B Harrier Cockpit Updates

[Roadburner440]

Good afternoon everyone. Unfortunately going to have to make this one quick cause I got called into work for watch (blah). I felt it was important to get these up though. Not really any new info, but the cockpit has recieved a lot of texturing. Things are coming along smoothly with this aircraft. As always comments are welcome. Aircraft is still very much a work in progress. Thanks for taking the time to look.

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/Secret%20Project/Harriera.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/Secret%20Project/harrierb.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/Secret%20Project/harrierc.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/Secret%20Project/harrierd.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/Secret%20Project/harriere.jpg

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/Roadburner426/Secret%20Project/harrierf.jpg

[Quicksand]

Lookin sweet, Steve! The level of detail is awesome! Really looking forward to this one. :medals::icon29::guinness::applause:

[MudMarine]

Looks like what I remember......but that was 20+ years ago!:icon_lol::applause::ernae:

[JamesChams]

Mr. Steve J. "Roadburner440,"

Very nice paint job; is that Mr. Colin "KrazyCollins" work? I like it very much. Looks like this one is going to be out first; I'm guessing the F-15 C/E is next and then the F-22; is that the planned release order?

Whatever it is, your down the right track trying to impress me, with realistic looking paint jobs; the seduction is working...:applause:

:engel016:

[Slug Flyer]

Wow!

[gajit]

I agree with Slug flyer - WOW :jump:

[MenendezDiego]

I thought the F-15's were coming first

[Gibbage]

The AV8 is in the early stages of development, and the F-15 in the later stage.

[MCDesigns]

Stunning! Always liked the harrier, can't wait to try the finished product!

[Tweek]

Looks fantastic! Will definitely have to get my hands on this one once it's available.

[Roadburner440]

Alright. Do not take this as definitive word, but to my rememberence the next aircraft should be the Cirrus Vision and then the F-15. Of course if things come up it could very well change. As you see the P-38 was just released so now more attention will shift to other projects. I am unsure of the source artist for the AV-8B. All of the artists are very talented so it is hard to tell their work apart. As this month continues we will see the direction things take us.

[peter12213]

OMG that is worth anything, mate .... is it frame friendly and with no nasty sound files like the A2A cub to crash it on loading if so I'm in!!

[Felixthreeone]

....Finally a product worthy of making me move to FSX! AV-8B's are one of my favs! Looks good so far.....

[Gibbage]

After the Huey was released, we got a lot of feedback about it being frame friendly, and we are making sure the rest of our products are. As an artist, its hard NOT putting in everything and the kitchen sink, but we still remember that people want to fly it, not just look at it ;)

[MenendezDiego]

I say make it as frame rate heavy as possible :icon_lol:

[Shark]

Very cool! :applause: Will it have VTOL capabilities?

[Lateral-G]

I sure hope it can hover....because this IS a deal breaker for me. Getting a Harrier that can't hover is pointless.

Perhaps teaming with Rob Barendregt (sp?) is in order to gain his talent with hovering gauges........

-G-

[limjack]

Looking very nice. I had a good time flying this plane back on the commodore 64 "Harrier combat simulator". It was a blast back then. Looking forward to this amazing plane!!!!!

Jim

[ZsoltB]

Great Work!

The DSB model is made in the cockpit?

[dhl1986]

Wow. If this is the early stage of development, I can't wait to see the finished product.

[ZsoltB]

This is why the HUD anomaly?

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8031/2009104212327156.jpg

[Rimshot]

:applause: Gorgeous! :ernae:

[Roadburner440]

As far as hover capability it is actively being looked into with a number of parties. In fact that was one of the first questions out of my mouth when I found out about this project. So rest assured that is a major priority. Cause it would be no good to have a Harrier that couldn't hover. Granted hover as a term I know as a helicopter mechanic means no movement forward/aft/lateral/vertically. In all of my Harrier encounters I have never seen one hover. From doing some research they have a water injection tank that enables them to do a true hover for somewhere around 30 seconds. I have only ever seen them do a kind of slow forward decent onto runways. Then to takeoff they get rolling forward and lift off that way. Anybody that has worked on them/piloted can correct me where I am wrong. I am going off what I have seen when I got stranded in Cherry Point for a week, and what I saw on deployment last year with them.

[Prowler1111]

Check for yourself, there are some very accurate info on the posts there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y_ePf1Jcr8

Best regards
Prowler

[jetstreamsky]

The Harrier can truly hover, in fact hover in unusual attitudes such as nose down while keeping station or lift the nose high and then power climb from a 'standing start' as it were. The water injection is used to increase the thrust especially useful for hot or heavy occasions. I've spent a lot of time around Harriers and have seen (heard) them hover for quite long periods.

About 35 seconds you can see a Sea Harrier doing a nose down hover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q53JeDN9oM8&feature=related

[Gibbage]

Those friggen things are loud, and I have seen them "bow to the crowd" many times myself. From speaking with Av8 pilots, its like balancing on the head of a pin. VERY difficult to do. Also, they need to worrie about injesting there own exhaust. That can cause a flame out and kill a pilot very quickly. The F-35 solved this by using a ducted fan in front. That way its only breathing in fresh air if it injest's air from the ducted fan. It will be interesting to see how far we can go with the Av8!

[MudMarine]

1984 at Cherry Point we lost 23 AV-8's and 16 pilots........very bad year! Point being, they were a hand full! Still one of my favorites, I could watch them all day.

[Cerberus]

Back in the early days CFS2 .etc a nice Hover effect was accomplished by using the flaps. I am not sure the exact nature of how it worked, but with full flap settings the plane could vertically take off, and with each lower setting its forward speed would increase.

[rcbarend]

Hi,

Why do I get a deja-vu feeling when reading these posts on what real (or FS-simulated) Harriers can / can't do ?? :d
Unfortunately, that 4-year old thread was lost when the SOH forum crashed a while back, because it contained a lot of info now discussed here again (apart from the really great screen shots for a new FSX-Harrier shown in this thread, of course).

In summery: pitch-down/pitch-up zero-airspeed hovers are very well possible, as is the famous Harrier "bowing"; by using an off-90-degrees setting of the nozzles system.
Both in real-life, and in an FS9/X-simulation; as I have demonstrated in many VTOL addons for true VTOL-capable aircraft like Harriers, JFS's, V22's, and alike.

However, as I explained via Email to the-person-asking-me about my VTOL solutions, my "solution" for this is freeware and can't be used in payware aircraft without paying licenses for the parts that I need in my gauge-based VTOL implementations (a.o. the use of FSUIPC).

Unfortunately, I'm not able to work around this "licensed" part, unless a clever and willing guy offers me a gauge that performs the same functionality I use in my XML gauge-code, enabling me to perform the same functions (accessible in XML) directly on the SimConnect interface.
Any takers ???? :bump:

Untill then, I'm (still) convinced that any implementation of a proper true "VTOL" behaviour for an aircraft like a Harrier can't be created using the FS9/X-basic FDE without using the kind of "tricks" I used.

But I'll very gladly be convinced that I'm wrong.
Because, after 5 years of working on this VTOL-stuff, I would very much welcome some real "competition" on this issue .....:icon_lol:

:ernae: Rob Barendregt

[Lateral-G]

In all of my Harrier encounters I have never seen one hover. From doing some research they have a water injection tank that enables them to do a true hover for somewhere around 30 seconds. I have only ever seen them do a kind of slow forward decent onto runways. Then to takeoff they get rolling forward and lift off that way. Anybody that has worked on them/piloted can correct me where I am wrong. I am going off what I have seen when I got stranded in Cherry Point for a week, and what I saw on deployment last year with them.

Harries can hover. I have seen them do this many times.

Our Harrier pilot, Jackie Jackson, did them all the time at air shows.

I work with several Harrier pilots and rest assured they will tell you they can hover.

-G-

[Roadburner440]

I was sure they could hover. For me it was just a question of how long could it be done. :icon_lol:

[mfitch]

So how much fuel does this burn? I presume the engines are at high output for a hoover.

[Felixthreeone]

IIRC....it is the toll on the engine's cooling system that becomes the limitation with stationary hovering....I'm sure that someone will correct me if this is wrong

[JamesChams]

Mr. Steve J. "Roadburner440,"

Would you kindly make a seperate Axis for the Thrust Vectoring nozzles from that of the Flaps. I've used a few FS2004/2002 models that married the flaps and the exhaust nozzles together and would work in unison with the dec./inc. of the flaps (either via the keyboard command and/or the Flaps Axis). I'd like to seperate them so that I can make a normal approach with flaps down without using the thrust vectoring as well as use them together for VSTOL. And, if you make it hover, thats a big PLUS to me.

Thanks! :wavey:

[XLR8]

Thats truly amazing work. The are surly gifted people in the modeling world.

[Roadburner440]

From the beginning we have not intended to interlock the flaps/hovering. As has been seen on other aircraft by many other developers FSX has a lot more flexibility with adding features in. It is only a question of how do you get there. It amazes me all the time the things that are being done that was a pipe dream many FS simulators ago.

[ZsoltB]

Why do I see so the HUD glass?

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9200/hudp.jpg

[JamesChams]

Mr. "zsoltquack (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/member.php?u=81650)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_263989", true); </SCRIPT>,"

You need to ask this question of Mr. David "smudge" Brice over at IRIS. He made that Aircraft for FS9 ONLY, when his company was DSB; so the textures are NOT acceleration/SP2 compatible.

Good Luck! :wavey:

[ZsoltB]

Mr. "zsoltquack (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/member.php?u=81650)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_263989", true); </SCRIPT>,"

You need to ask this question of Mr. David "smudge" Brice over at IRIS. He made that Aircraft for FS9 ONLY, when his company was DSB; so the textures are NOT acceleration/SP2 compatible.

Good Luck! :wavey:

Hello,

Is there any solution? Because this version of the FSX model...

Thank you!
Best Regards,

Zsolt

[JamesChams]

Mr. "zsoltquack"

Be kell feltenni ezt a kérdést, Mr. David "smudge" Brice mint az IRIS. www.IrisSimulations.com (http://www.IrisSimulations.com)

:wavey:

[peter12213]

Zsoltquack I found it had to do with the smoke effects, I got sick of trying to fix it so I never did, but 'm sure it has to do with one of the panel gauges and or the effects!

[ZsoltB]

Zsoltquack I found it had to do with the smoke effects, I got sick of trying to fix it so I never did, but 'm sure it has to do with one of the panel gauges and or the effects!

Hello Peter12213,

Which is the texture?

Thank you! :ernae:
Regards,

Zsolt

[Dean_AV8B]

Awesome looking panels there. I just came across this site whilst searching for help with my AV-8B project. Just wondering if anyone has any close up pics of real AV-8B panels and any dimensions?

I'm going to have to make panels for my cockpit due to the lack of availibility.

I do already have an AV-8B flight manual, but it doesn't contain all the info that I need. I've also spent many hours searching for pics.

Dean http://simflight.fotopic.net/

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z226/Dean33GTST/My%20Harrier/S5000851.jpg

[krazycolin]

If I may suggest this location (http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/av-8_home.htm). It has a TON of great pics of not only the outside, but also of the pit!

kc

[cortomalteseit]

when will be possible to ride this awesome bird? any news? :jump:

[Scenium]

Any updates? I'd love to see some more shots of this Beauty! I've been sold on the Harrier ever since I saw one (a british version, all green and nice) on an airshow in the mid to late 90's here in Sweden. It was awesome to see a jet hover, and it was loud as h*ll! Loved every second of that display.

Money are very tight right now, but I MUST have this Harrier package!:applause:

Thorbjörn

[krazycolin]

It will be there when it's there. No more than that will I say.

kc