Push Back....turning?

[OBIO]

Shift P is for push back, but what do I push to get the plane pushed back to the right or left? I looked through the assignment list and did not see anything for that?

OBIO

[PeteHam]

Here's a 'Pushback' gauge that can be installed with L & R turning.

FS2004 (ACOF) - FS2004 Panels FS2004 Gauges--Pushback/Taxispeed Control
[ Download (http://www.flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=90580) | View (http://www.flightsim.com/zview.php?cm=list&fid=90580) ]
Name: rcbgh-40.zip (http://www.flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=90580) Size: 438,974 Date: 07-04-2005 Downloads: 7,044
http://www.flightsim.com/k/rcbgh-40.gif FS2004 Gauges--Pushback, Taxispeed Control, etc. This archive contains v4.0 of the "ground handling" gauges, like automated pushback with conversation sounds, a taxi speed controller using throttle and brake settings, an arming switch that activates taxispeed after a landing (including setting flaps, spoilers, autobrakes off), brakes sound, etc., and can be added to any FS2004 aircraft panel. New in v4.0: 1. Better sound mechanism (using Doug Dawsons XMLsound gauge), with advantages: individually adjustable sound volumes; no more "mis-use" of the ADF1 frequency, so no more sound on/off function needed. 2. Reworked bitmaps and code. 3. State-dependant tooltips. 4. Straight pushback before turn is now in meters instead of seconds. By Rob Barendregt. (Previous version had 5749 downloads.)


Pete.

[FengZ]

press 1 or 2 after you pressed "P"

1 = swing tail to left
2 - swing tail to right

-feng

[OBIO]

Thanks Feng. I knew there was a way to turn the plane during push back, but could not remember what it was. Now I will be able to turn my planes and not have to slew them into and out of tight spots.

OBIO

[Wild Bill Kelso]

OBIO, an other (more thrilling) way to perform this manoeuvre is to set the reversers (DASH7, Hercules, Twin Otter) and then apply differential braking (F11, F12 keys).
I once saw this 'power-pushback' IRL with an ATR at Fuerteventura - looks frightening!
You just have to be careful applying full brakes when switching back from reverse to idle... :icon_lol:

[Wing_Z]

You get a glimpse of this in the Austrian Scenery Thread (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=19926) where I did a departure clip at Reutte with the Dash7.
Incidentally, did you know you can change direction again using <shift>P?
If you pressed 1 to go left, press 2 a little later, then after an aircraft length of rolling, it will go right again.

[Milton Shupe]

OBIO, an other (more thrilling) way to perform this manoeuvre is to set the reversers (DASH7, Hercules, Twin Otter) and then apply differential braking (F11, F12 keys).
I once saw this 'power-pushback' IRL with an ATR at Fuerteventura - looks frightening!
You just have to be careful applying full brakes when switching back from reverse to idle... :icon_lol:

Ideally, in the Dash 7 if you control your prop condition lever from reverse back to ground fine, that lurch forward does not happen. You can also pull your power back to idle manually to avoid that in the Dash 7.

[Sunny9850]

I find that changing that SHIFT+P to a single key, R in my case, does make it more reliable. I think FS sometimes does not catch the SHIFT+ combinations as well if PC load is heavy on that airport.

As for real life I have seen the Reverse Prop operation done many times..and a couple with jets when a tug was not available. But always with ground personnel with wands to assist.

An impatient KA200 driver at KMRY last year almost rammed my Saratoga when he attempted to do that maneuver unassisted. We just managed to push her out of harms way.

Stefan

[Wild Bill Kelso]

@ Milton:
I have the reverser command aligned to the keyboard's space bar - this helps to find it quickly with one hand or the other one. My Saitek X52 was said to be equipped with a reverse gate at the throttle, but I never got it working...
Anyway, you're right: Gently applying idle thrust when finishing the reversing prevents your paxes (and your cargo too) from being tossed around... :engel016:



As for real life I have seen the Reverse Prop operation done many times..and a couple with jets when a tug was not available.
Yep - it saw this once with a USAF C-17 at Berlin ILA. Very impressive aerobatics performance, this monster sure can take some G's! When clearing the runway, she just took the next taxiway creeping backwards into it.

[Duckie]

Eastern Air Lines began "Power Back" operations full time, system wide on all passenger aircraft except wide body jets (L-1011, A-300 and DC-10) in the early 1980's. Wide bodies did it on ocassion due to lack of push back tugs/crew.

Saw and supervised more than one L-10 power back. Toughest was on Christmas day 1984 in KATL, 5 degrees F with tires frozen to the ramp and the tug couldn't get traction. Used ground air HVAC trucks to heat the ramp and melt the ice around the tires. Awesome site, with those big RR's in reverse.

Also, use of brakes were off limits during normal power back operations. At end of power back, procedure called for ground idle and gradual throttle advance to induce forward motion. Saw a DC-9-40 almost sit on it's tail when the captain used his brakes instead of throttle.

Duckie

[strikehawk]

Here's a 'Pushback' gauge that can be installed with L & R turning.

FS2004 (ACOF) - FS2004 Panels FS2004 Gauges--Pushback/Taxispeed Control
[ Download (http://www.flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=90580) | View (http://www.flightsim.com/zview.php?cm=list&fid=90580) ]
Name: rcbgh-40.zip (http://www.flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=90580) Size: 438,974 Date: 07-04-2005 Downloads: 7,044
http://www.flightsim.com/k/rcbgh-40.gif FS2004 Gauges--Pushback, Taxispeed Control, etc. This archive contains v4.0 of the "ground handling" gauges, like automated pushback with conversation sounds, a taxi speed controller using throttle and brake settings, an arming switch that activates taxispeed after a landing (including setting flaps, spoilers, autobrakes off), brakes sound, etc., and can be added to any FS2004 aircraft panel. New in v4.0: 1. Better sound mechanism (using Doug Dawsons XMLsound gauge), with advantages: individually adjustable sound volumes; no more "mis-use" of the ADF1 frequency, so no more sound on/off function needed. 2. Reworked bitmaps and code. 3. State-dependant tooltips. 4. Straight pushback before turn is now in meters instead of seconds. By Rob Barendregt. (Previous version had 5749 downloads.)


Pete.

There is also a gauge called ATN over at AVSIM and Flightsim. It allows for both pushback and towing with engines off or taxi from 20mph down to 0mph under power. I use it to spot A/C in hangars or to move them around the ramp as it gives better control. The other gauge only slows you to 3mph and you have to dissconnect it before you can fully stop. I use both and the ATN gauge is a must for A/C on a carrier's flight deck.