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smoores

June 29th, 2009, 19:54

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8125664.stm

cargomann

June 30th, 2009, 08:12

not a surprise... for those who have already been on the ramp under this old A310 from Yemenia... God bless the crew and the pax who were on board.

Lionheart

June 30th, 2009, 08:16

Horrible to hear.

My prayers are with them. May their families and friends endure this trying time.

There are so many airliners in this world flying around. Thank the Lord that the accidents and crashes are as low as they are. If only there were none..

Bill

Snuffy

June 30th, 2009, 09:26

If this keeps up ... maybe it'll help Boeing ??!!??

cheezyflier

June 30th, 2009, 10:57

If this keeps up ... maybe it'll help Boeing ??!!??

even though you said that with tounge in cheek, i can't help but wonder if you're actually right. alotta airbus's crashing. i don't realy wanna ride on one right now, myself

Snuffy

June 30th, 2009, 12:00

even though you said that with tounge in cheek, ...

Nothing could be further from the truth ...

I meant it in all sincerity.

kilo delta

June 30th, 2009, 13:15

As Boeing and Airbus are currently the world's two biggest airliner producers...chances are if there's a crash/accident it'll be one or other.
Here's the stats..... http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/jun/30/yemen-plane-crashes (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/jun/30/yemen-plane-crashes)

Given those statistics, I wouldn't want to be queing up to fly in a B737 anytime soon ;)

jhefner

June 30th, 2009, 14:06

Given those statistics, I wouldn't want to be queing up to fly in a B737 anytime soon ;)

Depends; notice first of all that there are more 737's operating than any other type.

And, it is also one of the ones that has been around the longest. The only other examples of that vintage would be DC-9s; and notice that they nearly equal the 737 in number of accidents; even though there are fewer DC-9s by a factor of 4.

In both cases; it is the older hand-me-down examples operated by secondary airlines you would want to avoid. Finally, the DC-9 has been out of production, while the 737NG is still in production. If you broke out the 737NG from the Classic 737s and looked at their statistics; the 737NG would probably be more like the Airbus models, while the Classic 737s would look like the DC-9s in terms of number of fatal accidents per number currently operating.

-James

KOM.Nausicaa

June 30th, 2009, 14:09

If this keeps up ... maybe it'll help Boeing ??!!??

Nothing could be further from the truth ...

I meant it in all sincerity.

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I logged on just for you, because I felt the urgent need to give you a personal special comment.<o:p></o:p>
Your post here - which is NOT tongue in cheek, as you have yourself clarified -, about your hope two terrible recent crashes with hundreds of dead would help Boeing to sell more planes is thoughtless and despicable. I find it utterly disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself, and I hope you have the decency to apologize in this very thread. It is a shame someone has to point you to your own thoughtlessness.<o:p></o:p>
I have just heard that a young 14 year old girl has hold onto a wreckage during hours in the Indian Ocean. She was alone in the water, everybody around he was dead. I am not counting on your imagination to feel compassion for the horrors this child must have gone through, because you seem to have none. But for your information, she was rescued. That is why we know about her. Maybe that makes you rethink your attitude-I hope it does.<o:p></o:p>
I know the Mods of the forum will come down on me for telling you what I feel in my guts about you, but that's fine. I just needed to say you this from the bottom of my soul.

Have a nice day,

N.
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Z-PurpleBubble

June 30th, 2009, 16:02

Roger

June 30th, 2009, 16:24

I'd like to think that even Boeing's bean counters weren't rubbing their hands with glee but hey it's a corporate world and mabe we're just the beans that have to be counted?

Z-PurpleBubble

July 1st, 2009, 16:45

I hear what you're saying Roger, but that does not take away the fact that Snuffy was rejoicing in 140+ dead because it would supposedly enhance boeing sales.

KOM.Nausicaa

July 2nd, 2009, 07:26

Sometimes numbers do have names, and faces. Bahia, 14 years old, who can't swim and held onto a wreckage for 13 hours in the Indian Ocean is doing better.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1573309,00.jpg

but that does not take away the fact that Snuffy was rejoicing in 140+ dead because it would supposedly enhance boeing sales. Actually for 370+ dead, and he even went so far as to hope for more:

If this keeps up

An apology is still eagerly waited for, but so far the Mister hasn't shown up here anymore.

cheezyflier

July 2nd, 2009, 08:25

i have this feeling that he didn't mean it the way it seems. remember, we're talkin about suffy, not some fng that we don't know

KOM.Nausicaa

July 2nd, 2009, 13:24

Maybe he should then explain it?

Roger

July 2nd, 2009, 13:35

Maybe he should then explain it?

Some times people don't consider the ramifications of their words.

Willy

July 2nd, 2009, 16:07

I do know that someone here is getting pretty darn close to a personal attack. This thread is being watched and this aint Oso's.

Snuffy

July 9th, 2009, 18:04

Willy, good job at the moderator thing … appreciate it.

However, my feelings are a little harder to injure, or provoke than others here and I have not been offended by things said, as I have considered the source(s) of such blathering, and have therefore disregarded it/them for what they are.

Being a member of The Quarter Moon Saloon as you are, you should be aware of the, (for the lack of a better word), “relationship” between me and at least one other poster in this thread. You should know that nothing serious could have come from any comments made, at least not from my perspective of it.

What we have here is an ill mannered attempt at self appointed conscience for other forum members, and I dare say, a bit of self righteousness. Both of which are extremely exaggerated and unwarranted. Quite pompous and self edifying to say the least for a slow reacting intellect. Nothing to worry about I assure you.

To be sure the loss of life from this event is tragic, and unbelievable the sole miracle, but to presume that by a comment made by me, with regard to future of aircraft manufacturing prospects, that I either minimized the loss, or ignored it altogether, is really very shortsighted, and unintelligible, and is frankly an attempt at self aggrandizement in front of other members of this forum, and was uncalled for.

What is not known, nor could be presumed to be known by anyone other than myself, is that when I heard the news of this event, and realized that there would most likely be loss of life because of this accident, I quickly made my peace with that knowledge, asked God to look after their souls, and moved on in my life, and apparently, I am thinking ahead of the curve of some other posters in this thread when I mention the possible prospects of the future.

Purely a passing thought it was … but yet, a reality to be sure.

While its nice that it was mentioned that “retirement” was set aside for this commenting, it was really unnecessary on the part of this individual to do so. He should have stayed retired, as I never missed him. However, as I said, knowing the source of the comments in question, they really bear no weight with me what so ever.

I pretty much ignored this thread after a certain post was published, but ventured back into it when I saw that you posted the last comment, so I thought I’d see what was up … I again argued with myself about posting further here, but felt that something needed to be said on my behalf so that unknowing members of this forum might appreciate my position, and that the apparent silence on my part was not a recognition of any presumed conscious blow.

Rest assured my conscience is unaffected.

You can now lock this thread. Thanks.

Nausicaa

July 10th, 2009, 04:15

Well the thread hasn’t been closed yet, Snuffy. I get time for a little comment.<o:p></o:p>

I appreciate honestly you came back here to give some very needed explanation about your comments. It just took you 7 days to do so.<o:p></o:p>
You write my reaction was an “ill-mannered attempt” of “self appointed conscience”, even “self righteousness”. This cannot stay without comment. First of all, the doubtful and shocking remarks in this thread were from you to being with, not from me. I think that points anything that could be ill-mannered and self-righteous first into your direction, not mine, doesn’t it? The one who needed to give a much needed statement here was you. You gave the strong impression to welcome and cheer at the crashes of two Airbus flights because this could help sales of Boeing. You then even gave the impression to hope for more to come! Those remarks were distasteful, even shocking, and they asked for clarification of a possible misunderstanding, or an apology. My reaction was normal, I cannot imagine myself to just pass along and to shut up when reading a comment like yours. I am also very much convinced I was not the only one here who would have really liked to know what was going through your head when you wrote this, even if a lot of people may have preferred to stay out of the thread. <o:p></o:p>

Since you describe my reaction and demand for clarification as “blathering”, I would like you to understand that in this two flights were countrymen of mine, and countrymen of my girlfriend, and the first flight was the national airline of my girlfriends nation. There was a national mourning on that day. I would very much like to know what the reaction on this, in majority American, forum would be if any European member would make the doubtful comments you have made if for example two Boeings of American Airways would have gone down, and if the poster would have hoped for an increasing sale of Airbus as a result. I think the flak that would have unfolded against that poster would have been nothing less than epic! Or imagine anybody here would have cheered at 9/11 in the Newshawks. You think that is exaggerating things? Yes and then no, it’s only two steps away on the scale of shock and insult. I make this polemic comparison to make you understand you may have hurt the feelings of European members - your hurt mine – and any other member with some compassion for the loss of lives. If you cannot understand this you may have a big problem of empathy. <o:p></o:p>

I think that is enough from me on the subject. I thank you for coming back, but I doubt at the honesty of your explanation, I can’t really help it. That is because I have read other similar comments from you in the past, here and on other forums, and because you spent a little too much time here on degrading me and my intentions, and a little too less on explaining yourself. But I will end my comments anyway. Are we friends? Nope. Can we hope to behave with courtesy for the sake of the forum? I will try to and I hope you play the game too.<o:p></o:p>

Panther_99FS

July 10th, 2009, 08:44

I'll close it...