The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

[lefty]

Not really happy with the Waco diagnosis - fin shape, wings, etc don't look quite right. It's just that radiator. Where's Kevin ?

[Moses03]

Never seen it before Mike. Haven't a clue about it.

[Moses03]

Okay then, an open board float plane...

https://i.imgur.com/3jOFRKr.jpg

[fabulousfour]

Could that be a Colombian Curtiss Falcon on floats?

[Moses03]

Suds for Robert!

Over to Germany.

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Kevin!

It's raining cats and dogs here, so suitable to the weather here another floater.

[lefty]

Can't resist any longer - Argentinian Stearman 76D-1

[fabulousfour]

Nothing more to add, Mike! :encouragement:

Over to Scotland. :icon29:

[lefty]

Something a little larger..

[pomme homme]

I'll stick my neck out - as I cannot find a photograph - but could this be the Tellier 1100?

[lefty]

No, Mike, this is the Tellier 1000. It is European though....

[pomme homme]

Yes, that's the only photo of the Tellier 1000 that I could find - and I extrapolated from that, using such data as is available, to arrive at my guess at the 1100. Oh well. Tant pis!

[cthornburg]

Bresciani 2

Chris

[lefty]

Yes, the ill-fated Bresciani. Firing a 25mm cannon was tragically too much for the airframe -

http://anmilugo.racine.ra.it/bresciani.htm

Over to you, Chris :very_drunk:

[cthornburg]

Have Fun

Chris

[cthornburg]

I think I might have found the answer to my mystery plane "Thomas-Morse S-1A" I think it's a Yackey Sport circa 1925-27. So the "S" might stand for Sport. They modified them with OX-5 and all upper wing panel i.e. lower wing was upper wing panels. I found pictures with various seat configurations. 1-3seats. All the pictures I've found are different. Attached is one with same type radiator.

Chris

[lefty]

Think you've cracked it, Chris. But there's something very odd about that upper wing/strut arrangement !

[cthornburg]

I noticed that glad someone else saw it.

Chris

[cthornburg]

another one from a good source of stumpers not France or anywhere around there.

Chris

[Moses03]

another one from a good source of stumpers

Eastern Europe?

[Baragouin]

another one from a good source of stumpers not France or anywhere around there.

Chris
Hey Chris!
Can't see the image!
Carlo
P.S.unless you are referring to #18515!

[cthornburg]

Yes if was referring to current unknown. 18515.
last clue not Europe. It was used by Constitutionalista against the gov't.

Chris

[fabulousfour]

Could that be the "Sao Paulo" from the Brazilian FPSP?

[cthornburg]

I had it as Aviao S. Paulo
I don't know what FPSP? is. I had reference to it and these two images are all I have after many years of looking for it.
Over to you Robert good one. If you have any more info please share.

Chris

[fabulousfour]

Hi Chris.

Didn't know anything about that plane until today. :very_drunk:

FPSP is the "Forca Publica de Sao Paulo", the biplane seems to be from 1925 (sorry, my knowledge of the Portuguese language is close to nil).

I found some links with a few more photos of that plane:

https://www.pilotopolicial.com.br/historia-da-aviacao-da-forca-publica-paulista-parte-1/

http://forum.plastibrasil.com/viewtopic.php?t=4578&start=20

http://forum.plastibrasil.com/viewtopic.php?t=4578

Somebody has built a model of the "Sao Paulo" and it seems that there is a replica somewhere in a museum.

Next mystery will follow soon.

[giruXX]

Robert, you are a mystery :guinness:

[fabulousfour]

Next one is from a much better known company. :engel016:

[Baragouin]

Hi Chris.

Didn't know anything about that plane until today. :very_drunk:

FPSP is the "Forca Publica de Sao Paulo", the biplane seems to be from 1925 (sorry, my knowledge of the Portuguese language is close to nil).

I found some links with a few more photos of that plane:

https://www.pilotopolicial.com.br/historia-da-aviacao-da-forca-publica-paulista-parte-1/

http://forum.plastibrasil.com/viewtopic.php?t=4578&start=20

http://forum.plastibrasil.com/viewtopic.php?t=4578

Somebody has built a model of the "Sao Paulo" and it seems that there is a replica somewhere in a museum.

Next mystery will follow soon.
Hi Robert!
I'm far from being fluent in portuguese but I can easily understand at least 95% of a given text if necessary I'll be glad to help for a better understanding (I think I'm much better anyway of the terrible computer made make-shift translations…
Cheers
Carlo

[fabulousfour]

Thanks for your offer, Carlo, but that's not necessary for me. :wavey:

[cthornburg]

Robert

Thanks for all the info you find I a day what I couldn't in 30 years.

Chris

[fabulousfour]

The original plane was built in a small series from which the shown mystery got a major redesign with a repositioned wing and cockpit.

[Baragouin]

The original plane was built in a small series from which the shown mystery got a major redesign with a repositioned wing and cockpit.
Could she be british (i.e. Vickers)?
Carlo

[fabulousfour]

Not British, Carlo.

The manufacturer is very well known and has built aircraft already before WW1.

[Moses03]

Once in a while a mystery comes along that bothers me. This is one of those.:biggrin-new:

The front end has a European feel while the empennage looks Uncle Sam.

The wheel pants and struts have an Avia look and the fuselage has a slight Caproni shape.

The small monoplane in the background might be Eastern Europe?

All that said I keep thinking something Fokkery with your last clue.

Been through all my 1920's transport/airliner archives without much luck yet. Anyone else spinning around?

[fabulousfour]

Kevin, the manufacturer is included in your answer. :very_drunk:

The mystery plane in this redesigned form remained a one-off and ended its life in Canada :canada:

[lefty]

Because of the fin/rudder shape, I was working on Fokker F XI , but that wasn't getting me anywhere.....

[Moses03]

Fokker F-14A?

No pants but...

https://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-fokker-af14a-edmonton

[fabulousfour]

Kevin has cracked the nut! :encouragement:

It is the Fokker F-14A which flew as NC844W and ended up as CF-AUD after a take-off crash.

In the original picture the plane bears still its experimental registration, so probably the pants were removed sometime after the photo.

Next hint would have been that the original plane was a parasol! :pop4:

Congratulations to Kevin! :icon29:

[Moses03]

Nice find Robert. Your last clue sealed it's fate!


And now for something completely different-

https://i.imgur.com/zJjkmoB.jpg

[fabulousfour]

Nice find, Kevin! :bee:

[cthornburg]

The engine and cockpit looks Blackburn B-2 but the rest ?

Chris

[Moses03]

Not a Brit design Chris. She is a long way from home...

[cthornburg]

Just guessing again mod. Arado Ar66

Chris

[Moses03]

Not a German effort either. This was a one-off by a designer who built two planes; one in 1910 and then this one in the early 1930's. Him and his wife wanted to fly it around the world...

[Moses03]

Robert, it appears you knew this one straight away. Might as well move us along.

[fabulousfour]

Your wish shall be fulfilled, Kevin. :wavey:

It is the Day Special from Charles Day who made a trip round the world with his wife Gladys in his biplane.

I knew that plane before by chance and that exotic lady in the middle immediately rang a bell.

By the way, I hope the forum is ok, I had several fruitless attempts today to enter the forum.

[Moses03]

That is it Robert. :very_drunk:

Here is the best photo of it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/publicresourceorg/493995043


We are aware that SOH has had some connectivity issues today. Hopefully things are straightened out now.

[Dev One]

That is it Robert. :very_drunk:




We are aware that SOH has had some connectivity issues today. Hopefully things are straightened out now.

Too many people downloading Nigel Richards Avro!!!!!
Keith

[lefty]

Welcome to my world. I have difficulties accessing the site every morning !

[fabulousfour]

Mike, same problem here. I think, in Central European Morning Time - when it is deep night overseas - there is regularly maintenance going on in the forum.

Here is my next mystery.

[giruXX]

Farman F.230

[fabulousfour]

Close enough, Uli. :wavey:

I have it as Farman F.234 shown with a fully cowled Salmson engine during the Challenge International de Tourisme 1932. :icon29:


By the way, does anybody have an idea about the current aviaquiz at dauntless-soft.com?
Closest I could get until now are Praga E.114, Leduc RL.19, Druine Turbi or DFS 230 but I'm in doubt that it is one of these. Couldn't find a direct match.

[giruXX]

no direct match means the search must go on

Meanwhile this one which I hope didn't appear here before

[cthornburg]

Piper PT-1

Chris

[giruXX]

Yes, for sure :icon29:
Your turn, Uli

[cthornburg]

Hopefully an little known biplane circa 1916

Chris

[Moses03]

By the way, does anybody have an idea about the current aviaquiz at dauntless-soft.com?
Closest I could get until now are Praga E.114, Leduc RL.19, Druine Turbi or DFS 230 but I'm in doubt that it is one of these. Couldn't find a direct match.

I have it Robert. It's an Eastern Europe twin.:encouragement:

[fabulousfour]

Ah, the Manicatide MR-2!

You got PM, Kevin :wavey:

[cthornburg]

Unknown aircraft from the land of Moses

Chris

[pomme homme]

Well, that could be Texas, Egypt, Jordan, Israel ..... http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon23.gif

[cthornburg]

This person who made this is in Aerofiles but not this aircraft. I found info stating he had made 300 aircraft if so he would be more famous. I assume bad info more like 3 aircraft maybe. Also where I found this said it was accepted by US Signal Corp. I've never run across it in that regard.

Chris

[cthornburg]

Lestere Miller, Dallas TX was the maker. Scout was the only id on the place where I found it.

Chris

Open House

[wout]

Quite modern for its time (which for various reasons was a bad time for new designs).

[Moses03]

Lestere Miller, Dallas TX was the maker. Scout was the only id on the place where I found it.



I have some information on Lestere Miller as he was well known in early Dallas aviation exploits but no mention at all about a Scout biplane. Would like to know the source of your photo Chris.

[cthornburg]

Kevin

I got it out of old "American Airman" magazine July 1960 page 22 caption "is a military scout with OX5 motor, designed and built by Miller. It was accepted by US Signal Corps in 1916"

Chris

[Moses03]

Thanks Chris.


Naugle Mercury N-2 Walter?

[wout]

Hi Kevin :very_drunk:
That is her!. Though I have NX28646 also seen also reported as N-1 and even as XC-67.

Surprise us!

[Moses03]

Thanks Walter.

I know you are not big on the really old ones but this one caught my fancy recently.

https://i.imgur.com/dlZLPNe.jpg

[giruXX]

This looks as if some KGB agents were waiting for the delinquent to come to test-fly the craft. :snowman:

[lefty]

He would have a job finding a cockpit !

[giruXX]

... a cage would do :encouragement:

[Moses03]

The hats are a great clue! This aircraft had a novel feature as the outer wing sections rotated to act as ailerons.

[pomme homme]

Ah, rotary ailerons from the land where men have snow on their boots. Then it must be the Hendersonski-Glennyski Gadflyski. If not, then Pickeringski-Pearsonski K(G)P Twoski! http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon23.gif

[Moses03]

Not the Gadflyski or the Twoski Mike. I think those came later.:biggrin-new:

This one plied it's craft circa 1912.

[fabulousfour]

Can't hold back any longer. :bee:

It is the Kasyanenko 3 from Russia.

[Moses03]

Holding back can lead to stress I have heard. That is why they invented pubs...

:guinness: for Robert on the Brothers Kasyanenko contraption.

[fabulousfour]

Back to floaters again.

[cthornburg]

Vought V85Chris

[fabulousfour]

You have it, Chris. :icon29:

[cthornburg]

a very famous name in aviation

Chris

[giruXX]

indeed if I am correct: a Wiley Post A, perhaps?

[cthornburg]

you got it.

Chris

[giruXX]

Let's try this optically similar thing

[pomme homme]

Bassou FB.41 F-PEPL.

[lefty]

or indeed F-WEPL .......:jump:

[giruXX]

correct on the SCAL (Bassou) FB.41 Rubis, F-PEPL at the time of the photo :icon29:

[pomme homme]

Thank you. I shall be out all day today so maybe it's sensible to declare open house.

[wout]

To keep you busy till the next photo challenge turns up.
European, post-war, 4-engined, 6 built (as usual other numbers float around on the net), two engine makes, examples registered in 4 countries, one is in a famous museum, last product of famous company.

[Moses03]

Shot in the dark...Potez 840 Walter?

[pomme homme]

You could also have said, Walter, that the remains of one have been rotting away on Shetland for nearly forty years after a wheels up landing at Sumburgh.

I'm now back home and thus will try to find the next mystery this evening.

[wout]

Hi pommehomme:very_drunk:. Sorry, forgot about that one. Looking forward to your next mystery!

Hi Kevin:very_drunk:. When you made your made your shot in the dark, you must have been wearing night vision goggles. Spot on!
Built as P-840 (2 with Astazou engines), P-841 (2 with PT6A engines), P-842 (2 with Astazous again). Registered in France, Germany, USA and Morocco.

Have a nice weekend all!

[Moses03]

Have a nice weekend as well.:encouragement:


Let's see what Mike can scare up for the next mystery...

[pomme homme]

I'm afraid that my stock levels are low at present. Thus the following is the best that I can offer at the moment.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7820/46151286404_5bbca5371c_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2djepyy)

[pomme homme]

Phileas Fogg might have been comfortable with this mystery!

[fabulousfour]

The plane doesn't seem to have been built for long trips.

[pomme homme]

Indeed. Wiley Post wouldn't have chosen it when a Lockheed Vega could manage it in a tenth of the time that the eponymous valet did!

[lefty]

OK, Mike, enough hints. The flivver is the De Marçay Passe-Partout.

[pomme homme]

Indeed it is. Over to the other half of the Auld Alliance!

[lefty]

Back to the water..

[lefty]

If I tell you that there are two, or possibly three designations for this machine, it may give you some inkling as to its country of origin......:mixed-smiley-010:

(Mike, the Auld Alliance was an unsubtle Gallic ruse, intended to drive a wedge between Scotland and England in order to weaken their resistance to invasion!)

[giruXX]

I have one such thing as an "Astra-Paulhan flying boat"
Is this among the allowable answers, Mike?

[lefty]

Indeed, Uli - pick any combination of Astra, Paulhan, Pillard, and PP1, and you've got it ! Over to you, sir.....:very_drunk:

[giruXX]

A pretty low-winger:

[fabulousfour]

That's the Scintex Rubis from France, Uli. :ernaehrung004:

[giruXX]

That's her!
Have a nice day, Robert :icon29:

[fabulousfour]

Thanks Uli, same to you. :wavey:

Going back about a century.

[fabulousfour]

No idea about this "cold war" biplane? :very_drunk:

Not a one off, from a famous designer who built aircraft for two countries.

[lefty]

I thought at first it was a Thulin model, due to the wing shape, but could that odd tail unit foxed me.

[fabulousfour]

Not from Sweden, Mike.

[cthornburg]

S-16?

Chris

[fabulousfour]

It is the Sikorsky S-16! :icon29:

Over to you, Chris.

[cthornburg]

another looks like but isn't

Chris

[cthornburg]

24hr clue. It's in Aerofiles but doesn't look exact alike. You really have to be a student of the obscure to get this one.

Chris

[fabulousfour]

A modification of a New Standard?

[cthornburg]

Nope

Adcox Student Prince

Open House

Chris

[wout]

A nice tandem-seater

[wout]

Another view. Perhaps you know the designer from (air racing) projects.

[wout]

A Dos Equis :very_drunk: for who comes up with the right answer.

[fabulousfour]

The Statler Firefly.

[wout]

Hi fabolousfour :very_drunk:
Well done! I knew if I started talking about beer, there would be a response.
N711FF was the registration and William Statler the designer/builder.

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Walter.

Do you - or anyone else - know, whether the "Dos Equis Challenger" mentioned at aerofiles and the Wildfire by Statler are the same aircraft with different names?

Here's my next challenge.

[lefty]

That lady is surely Amelia, and she is standing by a Merrill CIT-9.

[wout]

Hi fabulousfour:encouragement:
I think they are. AFAIK the Dos Equis beer company was the original sponsor of the project by RACE (Racing Aircraft Configuration Engineering) of Bill Statler and Charles Beck. When the company withdraw the name became Wildfire.

[lefty]

Walter, your knowledge of exotic ales puts me to shame.....:very_drunk:

[fabulousfour]

Thanks for your very informative answer, Walter!

Mike, it is indeed Amelia and the plane is the Merrill CIT-9 aka Safetyplane :icon29:

Over to Scotland.

[lefty]

Thank you Robert.

Here's another slim lady.......

[cthornburg]

Blanchard Farman HB5

Chris

[lefty]

You are good on your floaters, Chris ( I have it as Farman-Blanchard Trimoteur - being French, it will have at least two other designations). Over to you..:very_drunk:

[cthornburg]

Little unusual shape.

Chris

[wout]

Hi Chris:encouragement:
The Adkisson SJ-1 Head Skinner?

[cthornburg]

That's it over to you

Chris

[wout]

A small bipplane.

[wout]

This biplane was one of several designs of a father and sons team.
Several of these were biplanes with negative features.

[fabulousfour]

Maybe the Sorrell DFG-1?

Couldn't find a picture of it.:dizzy:

[wout]

Hi fabulousfour:very_drunk:
Excellent detective work!. DFG-1 (N7157) built by Hobie (Hobart) Sorrell. Flew 1958, 40hp Mercury outboard engine, geodetic fuselage construction.
Another picture for your collection.

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Walter.

I thought that the "negative features" of your hint related to the stagger of the wings, so Sorrell came to my mind.

Something older again.

[fabulousfour]

This is an early design of a famous manufacturer mainly known for his WW2-aircraft.

[lefty]

I think that's the Focke-Wulf A 7.

[fabulousfour]

That's the bird.
The first design of Focke-Wulf after WW1.

Over to you, Mike :icon29:

[lefty]

Thanks Robert. Something a bit later - this twin is very easy, but I don't think it has been here before.

[wout]

Hi Mike :encouragement:
Is this the Ikarus 215?

[lefty]

It is, Walter. Over to you - :very_drunk:

[wout]

This tandem-seater has a retractable gear.

[wout]

I have seen her described as sort of 2-seat version of a famous F1/Goodyear racer.of which several (up to 8) examples were built.
Reportedly the wings were built on the same rigs. In a later life she flew as a single-seater with a shortened canopy.

[wout]

Final clue: The designer of the F1/Goodyear racer was a famous test pilot.

[pomme homme]

It looks like a two seat version of the LeVier Cosmic Wind - but I've failed to find any reference to a tandem cockpit, retractable undercarriage version of this aeroplane!

[wout]

Hi pomme homme:very_drunk:
You found her!
The Model 1 Bird by Jim Dewey. (aka as the Deweybird and Super Cosmic Wind). First flown August 1965.
Lycoming O-320 engine and retractable gear. N3Y was later modified into a single-seater with a fixed gear.

[pomme homme]

Thank you, Walter - although I think that you are being generous in that my response was 'warm' rather than 'hot'!

I apologise for the 'pixel light' nature of the image of the next offering. But in an endeavour to make up for that, I'm providing two pictures of it.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4860/46113537385_ac8576f92e_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dfTW6p)

[pomme homme]

This was not only aeroplane produced by its designer/builder. This one might be described as a product of post war austerity. However in addition to producing this badly recorded biplane, powered by a 25hp Poinsard engine, a couple of years later he produced a better recorded parasol winged monoplane, powered initially by a 32hp Saroléa and latterly by a 35hp Anzani engine. I won't insult you by inviting you to guess the country of origin of the two!

[giruXX]

that could be anything from France via Belgium to Poland :dizzy:

[pomme homme]

You're spot on with the first country mentioned. More specifically, it was built in l'Hérault in 1947. It was tiny, the wingspan being five metres and the length just less than that.

[wout]

Hi pomme homme:encouragement:
Upon risk of losing the rest of what is left of my reputation:
The Servais PS-2 by Pierre Servais? If correct that could make the parasoller the PS-10

[pomme homme]

You're far too modest, Walter.

It is Pierre Servais' first post-war creation. As to a designation, I don't know if it was the PS.2. My contemporary source refers to it only as the Servais Biplan of 1947. Maybe it was given a designation subsequently?

It is referred to obliquely by Pierre Gaillard when he mentions its successor, the 1950 PS.10 'Paul Vergnes' parasol monoplane. I know of no other photos of the tiny 1947 biplane.

Take it away, Walter.

[wout]

Thank you pomme homme:encouragement:

Your description of the use of several engines put me on the right track. I had the PS-10 in my files, but not the biplane which I understand could indeed have been designated as the PS-2. I also had my hopes set on you for a high quality colour photo of the biplane, but alas......... :jump:

Next one is also a biplane, but with a difference.

[cthornburg]

Looks like a mod. Ryan

Chris

[fabulousfour]

Thanks to the help of Chris (:encouragement:) I could find a plane built by Paul Eddy and which is described as a biplane version of a PT-22.

Here is another picture I could find which seems to be the same aircraft.

[wout]

What a wonderful forum:applause:
Now we seem to have two Ryan PT biplane modifications.
My one is indeed a modified Ryan PT-22 and was known as the Winters Ryan Special. She was built by Cliff Winters for aerobatic show work around the mid-1950s.
Engine was a Continental W670 and registration was N246R(?).
Sadly lost in a fatal crash, afaik.
Thank you fabulousfour for the picture of Paul Eddy`s biplane. Entirely new to me!

May I give Chris the honours of posting our next challenge? He was first to react.

Here is a picture in flight with clearly Ryan Special on the tail. (courtesy SDASM)

[fabulousfour]

Go for it, Chris! :encouragement:

[lefty]

I find it curious that the two Ryan mods are so very similar (apart from power plant) even to the extent of having identical livery (apart from the tail). There has to be more to this !

[fabulousfour]

Could it be that the Winters Special is a further modification of Paul Eddy's biplane?

According to my source Eddy's plane was built around 1950/51, the magazine is from April 1951. When the Winters Special was built in the mid-1950s this would be possible from the period of time.

[cthornburg]

Robert If you come up with one before I do I'm busy this week. Go for it. I did the easy part you did the hard part find out which one. Since I'm not into civilian aircraft except to fly them.

Chris

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Chris! :encouragement:

Let's go on with an aircraft with obviously heavenly assistance. :engel016:

Shouldn't last too long with all you experts here.

[pomme homme]

OK, which one is the Singing Nun? If it weren't for the lack of another three engines, I'd guess that it might be a Consolidated Dominiquerator!

[wout]

I would go for the Hispano HA-100E-1 Triana with the Beta engine

[fabulousfour]

It is the Hispano Triana. :encouragement:

Over to you, Walter. :icon29:

[cthornburg]

I'm still trying to figure out which one is Sally Fields the flying nun.

Chris

[wout]

Hi Chris, You can stop looking. Sally took the picture:playful:

[wout]

How doe we call this one? A flying wing, a canard wing or a twin tail boom type.
To help a bit: she first flew as flying wing with canard foreplanes. The twin tailboom was added later.

[Dev One]

Looks as if he got his C of G too far aft......

[lefty]

As you know, Walter, anything white is normally out of my comfort zone !

But after a bit of digging have come up with something. The EM-12 designed by Edward Margaski ?

[wout]

Hi Mike :very_drunk:
That is her. The Malgosia II by Edward Marganski from Poland. I just learned from you that this one is designated EM-12. I did not know!

[lefty]

This was the technical article I unearthed...

https://www.asdjournal.org/index.php/ASD/article/viewFile/24/Chajec_ASDJ2013.pdf

[lefty]

Here's something older and fuzzier..

[pomme homme]

That, unless I am much mistaken, is the München Grane of 1928.

[lefty]

Indeed it is, Mike. :very_drunk:

[pomme homme]

Thank you, Mike.

Here's one that shouldn't be too hard so long as you note the feature that doesn't seem to have been widely recorded photographically.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7878/47022277212_7f68fc2c9d_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eDcsMs)

[lefty]

I take it, Mike, you mean the front end ??

Apparently one MH.52 was powered by a Mathis 7-cyl radial with three-blade prop ?

[pomme homme]

Exactly. I know of only three photos of the MH.52 with the singularly unsuccessful Mathis radial upfront. But enough of this gallic intrigue. Let's go over to Ecosse for the next mystery.

[lefty]

Which, obviously, did not originate in Ecosse!

[lefty]

I thought this would have been away long before now. The headgear of the chaps on the right should surely indicate which country is involved ?

[cthornburg]

The horizontal tail looks like the Blanchard/Farman in an earlier post. I couldn't find anything like it in my French info.

Chris

[lefty]

You are on the right track, Chris.

It will not surprise anyone to learn that it has at least two designations, and that, according to one's source, there were either one or two constructed !

An unsuccessful competition aircraft.

[giruXX]

I think one designation is
Blanchard BB-1

[lefty]

At last ! Yes, aka the Blanchard-Blériot C.1 in some sources, although I think the BB.1 is correct.

It was supposedly based on a 'French fighter type', but I'm struggling to find out which one ! (Does anyone have any information on the Blériot 101 ?)

Over to you, Uli :very_drunk: (with a half-pint for Chris who got Blanchard..)

[giruXX]

In the book “L’envol du XXe siècle” (DOCAVIA) there is a small paragraph on the 101 (as a predecessor of the 118). It had 2 engines. Your two Blanchard C1 are also mentioned.

On with this:

[cthornburg]

THK 2
MKEK 7

Chris

[giruXX]

that's the turkey, Chris! :icon29:

[cthornburg]

Should be a easy one as another of same mfg was on here.

Chris

[Moses03]

Yes, it is very distinctive, the Fernic T-10. George Fernic lost his life piloting this machine.

The larger T-9 was one I have been mildly fascinated with over the years.

[cthornburg]

Yes I knew wouldn't last long over to you.

Chris

[Moses03]

This one has two wings as well, just not in tandem arrangement.

https://i.imgur.com/d27g7gY.jpg

[lefty]

Would that be the Travel Air 'Ted Wells Special' ?

[Moses03]

Not a Travel Air Mike. This one was several years earlier than that.

[fabulousfour]

I think this is the Hartzell FC-2.

[Moses03]

That is the one Robert. (My next clue was going to be it was built by a company more known for designing props).

http://hartzellprop.com/

:icon29:

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Kevin!

Staying with biplanes.

[fabulousfour]

Too difficult or too easy? :bee:

Quite a few of this trainer were built, used from the Air Force as well as from the Navy in its country.

[fabulousfour]

From Europe, the insignia bear the colours red, blue and white (not necessarily in this order).

[Green]

Romano R.82?

[fabulousfour]

Finally, it is the Romano. :encouragement:
Hadn't thought that this bird would last so long. :dizzy:

Over to you, Green. :icon29:

[Baragouin]

Finally, it is the Romano. :encouragement:
Hadn't thought that this bird would last so long. :dizzy:

Over to you, Green. :icon29:
Hello boys and girls!
After a long silence I'm back home and ready to fight again!
Cheers
Carlo

[Green]

Cheers! :encouragement:

OPEN HOUSE.

[wout]

Welcome back Carlo:applause:. Keep us busy
Next challenge has a pointed tail. The fuselage lines could/should help.

[lefty]

Bienvenuti, Carlo !

Walter, is there some Tipsy in this one ??

[Moses03]

I'm still trying to figure out the bent prop tip?

[wout]

Hi Mike:encouragement:, sorry, but no Belgian connection
Hi Kevin:encouragement:. No idea about the prop (accident?) In this colour picture the prop is somewhat clearer.
Aircraft is from a productive family.

[pomme homme]

Shades of Wittman?

[wout]

Hi pomme homme:encouragement:
No Wittman. but from same country. Designers/builders better known for their biplanes

[wout]

This is the Sorrell-Robinson HS-1 Wenoso. Registration N1041 and built in the mid-1960s.
Aircraft in 1971 involved in accident which may be reason for the strange prop. Sadly N1041 was in Dec.1990 lost when involved in a fatal crash.
The bipe I referred to was of course the SNS-7 Hiperbipe.

Time for OPEN HOUSE:icon37:

[Moses03]

We have not had an oddball in a while...

https://i.imgur.com/wSibiLm.jpg

[Dev One]

This is the Sorrell-Robinson HS-1 Wenoso. Registration N1041 and built in the mid-1960s.
Aircraft in 1971 involved in accident which may be reason for the strange prop. Sadly N1041 was in Dec.1990 lost when involved in a fatal crash.
The bipe I referred to was of course the SNS-7 Hiperbipe.

Time for OPEN HOUSE:icon37:

I think the prop is correct & known as a Boomerang Prop. The Carden Ford engined Chilton DW1 sported one in the 60's when it was refurbished/rebuilt by Kendall & raced at Shoreham. It actually beat the handicappers by quite a margin.
Keith

[Moses03]

Thanks for the info Keith.

Here is a better photo of the oddball. It had a very novel feature and not sure if it managed more than a hop or two.

https://i.imgur.com/dJtkun7.jpg

[giruXX]

J W Smith, Cicero IL. 1929 (in Aerofiles)?

[Moses03]

Not the Smith effort as this one showed up the following year. (Interesting that two designers had the same idea about the same time).

There is a Aerofile entry...

[Moses03]

Last gasp...

I found a video online of it being flight tested on 2-12-1930, out on the west coast USA. It did a few high speed taxi runs but never left the ground. (It seemed to suffer from directional stability).

https://i.imgur.com/LsKQMPV.jpg

[giruXX]

got it: Norris Foolproof Aeroplane 1930[X99M]

[pomme homme]

Is the novel feature that the designer believed that any fool could fly it?

[Moses03]

It is the Norris.:very_drunk: Over to Uli.

PH: That and the idea of a pendulum wing assembly.

[giruXX]

Let's try another parasol:

[fabulousfour]

That's probably a States B-3 less its spinner. :bee:

[giruXX]

correct, Robert :icon29:
registration: NC10369

[fabulousfour]

Next one from about the same period.

[lefty]

A Brit ! That, Robert, is the one and only Hendy Hobo, with its unmistakeable Pobjoy engine.

[fabulousfour]

You got it, Mike! :encouragement:

It is the Hendy Hobo after her conversion.

Over to Scotland! :icon29:

[lefty]

Thank you sir. Just to show I'm not entirely obsessed with water babies, here's a rather smart biplane - it won't last long, so when you get it, please proceed, as I'm out for the day.

[Moses03]

Mike has gone south for the winter with a Muniz M-9.

Forging ahead with a watercraft.:biggrin-new:

https://i.imgur.com/rOEFzTh.jpg

[wout]

Hi Kevin:encouragement:
Your waterbaby waas made by Thomas Purcell Jr. and his Flight Dynamics Inc. The Flightsail VII (N2035).
I understand she could be towed behind a speedboat when the C90 engine was removed.

[Moses03]

Of course it is. Suds for Walter.:icon29:

[wout]

Sticking to the wet element. A floatplane

[giruXX]

A Chinese Shen Hang-1, perhaps?

correction: Feilong-1 from the Shanghai Aircraft Factory

[wout]

Hi giruXX:encouragement:
Sorry, but not from China.
The photo depicts the sole floatplane prototype, but reportedly production of the land-based model was some 40.

[Moses03]

Maybe the Yak-12GR?

[lefty]

Everything points to the Yak-12 except that rear fuselage profile, which is too deep ?

Could it be the Yak-10G ?

[wout]

Kevin was very close, but Mike nailed it. The sole Yak-10G :very_drunk:

[lefty]

Thanks Walter.

Here's a portly machine with an unusual feature -

[Baragouin]

Hello boys and girls!

This is definitely a Junkers J15 (or K15) of 1920...
Cheers
Carlo

[lefty]

That's the one, Carlo - over to you - :very_drunk:

[Baragouin]

That's the one, Carlo - over to you - :very_drunk:
Hi Mike!
Here are three bold gentlemen standing against a...what?
Cheers
Carlo
https://imgur.com/a/DrThFwv

[pomme homme]

A Latvian Martinsyde Buzzard ADC.1?

[Baragouin]

A Latvian Martinsyde Buzzard ADC.1?
Yessir that's the one. The latvians called her D-1. :applause:
Your move is the next one but pray not a US taildragger….
Cheers
Carlo

[pomme homme]

Thank you, Carlo.

Here's the next. A tail dragger - yes. US - no. I bet Walter gets this one!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7823/33312807508_3dae13d92a_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/SKJR59)

[wout]

Hi pomme homme:encouragement:
Thank you for the trust in me, but............:banghead:
I there some parasol wing in her?

[lefty]

It's the washing machine motor that's baffling me....

Parasol ? Maybe - but it could be a bipe*, a tripe or even a gyro ! Or one of those French things that doesn't quite know what it is either.....

(*looks like attachment points aft of the gear leg)

Sorry about not giving you a good game yesterday, Mike. Our 2nd XV just ain't good enough at this level.....:banghead:

[pomme homme]

I won't yet tell you why you should know this one, Walter.

Mike, I'm not sure what motor you've got in your washing machine. All I know is that mine isn't powered by a 65hp Continental - although this biplane is! It is the single seat evolution of a tandem two seat biplane which enjoyed a limited production run in the fifties. I apologise for an image of it only in its wingless state. I don't know another of it not only complete but also with this power plant, as opposed to the radial which powered it originally.

I have to say that I'm glad that les Bleus seemingly have avoided la cuiller en bois - although judging by what my wife tells me of the score so far in this afternoon's match, may I should remember the maxim 'never say never' ..... !

[giruXX]

Hey girls and boys, how about an Indraero Aero 101?

[pomme homme]

Close, but no cigar!

[fabulousfour]

Is this the original bipe before converting to a Continental?

[pomme homme]

That's it, the sole Indraéro Aéro 30, F-PPPA, it its original state when it sported a Salmson radial. That photo emanates from https://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/13392.htm, which is why I thought that Walter would get this one. Over to Germany.

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Mike!

I would prefer that Uli does the next mystery, without his guess I wouldn't have found that plane. :encouragement:

[lefty]

Considering the only visible bits (fuselage, gear, engine,struts, etc ) have absolutely nothing in common with the original in 1000photos, I think you chaps did exceptionally well ! :applause: