The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

[Baragouin]

Hi Carlo,

your floater looks like a Fokker F.11 to me. Is that right?
That's right Uli I have her as F11A....:applause:
Your turn please
Cheers
Carlo (BG)

[giruXX]

Grazie Carlo!

My next offer is an unusual craft that truly flew and isn’t a glider. Have fun.

[cthornburg]

I remember the pix but don't know the exact item as it's a missile.

Chris

[giruXX]

As nobody digs deeper, I'll order a :icon29: for Chris!

and here is the "full story":

[cthornburg]

Something from the olden days.

Chris

[Moses03]

East coast USA, it's an Elias EC-1 Aircoupe of 1928.

[cthornburg]

That's it. I figure it wouldn't last long.


Chris

[Moses03]

Up next, a low wing monoplane.

https://i.imgur.com/0XDdUxi.jpg

[Dev One]

Presumably made for a film as I think its basically a Chipmunk masquerading as something a lot older....
Keith

[pomme homme]

It's one of the aeroplanes used in 'The Great Waldo Pepper' film (1975). There it's called the 'Styles Skystreak'!

[Moses03]

It is the fictional Stiles Skystreak that crashed trying to perform an outside loop at an airshow in Waldo Pepper. But before that it was a garden variety Chipmunk first flown in 1951 so the nod goes to Keith.:very_drunk:

I think the spoked wheels were a nice touch!

[Dev One]

Thank you Moses, I was wondering to which part of the undercart the flying wires were attached to, & did they flex with the stroke of the oleo?

Anyway, here is my offering that I don't remember seeing before.
Keith

[cthornburg]

PN-3 from Estonia s/n 160

Chris

[Dev One]

Chris, correct :very_drunk:.
Over to you.
Keith

[cthornburg]

and now for a fling wing

Chris

[wout]

Hi Chris:encouragement:
I have this chopper as the "Viki Helicopter" built after he came to the USA and nearing completion around 1998/1999.
Undersrtand engine was an Allison 250 turbine and coukld be that much of the fuselage came from an Enstrom 280.
Maybe not flown as in my notes I see that Mr. Viki deceased prior to flight testing. Have no idea whether an N-number was assigned and equally no idea about involvement of Mr. Dustin Harley (from Utah?). Seems she was still around 2009/2010.

[wout]

Sorry, important part fell out of the text.
Design of Finnish-born Mr. Viki who imigrated to the USA.

[cthornburg]

Right on over to you.

Chris

[wout]

This snowwhite has been around for a couple of years.

[fabulousfour]

Looks like an Ilyushin 103 on steroids :dizzy:

[wout]

Two countries involved in this 5-seater:wavey:

[giruXX]

5-seater is a good hint! I was asuming a six-seater for too long.

It's the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL) and Mahindra Aerospace NM5 or C-NM5 from India first flown in Australia in 2011.

[wout]

hi giruXX:very_drunk:
That is her! The Australian connection is via GippsAero (of GA-200 and GA-8 fame). The prototype was VH-XNM.
My shoebox-notes tell me that (possibly) a second proto flew in India in 2012, but I have never seen photos or similar to confirm this.
Your turn sir!

[giruXX]

Let's keep to color pictures:

[fabulousfour]

Could be a Van's with a Wankel-engine.
No side-by-side-seating, so probably a RV-4, Uli?

[giruXX]

Cheers Robert :ernaehrung004:

That's all right.

It went through the media as "Mike Wills Mazda 13B powered Van's RV4": https://sites.google.com/site/actualliga/motor-wankel

[fabulousfour]

Must have missed that completely. Maybe that I read the wrong media. :mixed-smiley-010:

Here is a kite that is considerably larger.

[lefty]

That, sir, is the Packard-LePere LUSAO-11.

[fabulousfour]

That, Mike, is correct. :wavey:

Enjoy your pint. :icon29:

Strange, I did a search for this plane whether it had been shown here before and found nothing
When I was googling now for some hints, Kevin's mystery of 2014 (post 9458) popped up... :dizzy:

[lefty]

Thanks Robert. You just have to look at the number of posts, and how long this forum has been running, to realise it is very difficult to find something new !

At one time Ferry was keeping a track and cataloguing all the mysteries, but I don't know if he's still doing it..

Here's one that has been here before, but doesn't show up in the Search box...(some people would call this one a parasol....:jump:)

[giruXX]

For me that's a gull wing !

1957 Adkisson Head Skinner SJ-1, perhaps

[lefty]

Yes, the oddly named Head Skinner it is....:very_drunk:

[Ferry_vO]

At one time Ferry was keeping a track and cataloguing all the mysteries, but I don't know if he's still doing it..


I still try, though real life is keeping me somewhat occupied these days (In a good way!).

[giruXX]

Our next candidate is a convertible, i.e., one that may fly with open or closed roof.

[wout]

hi giruXX:encouragement:
What a dilemma!. Is it a Morrisey Nifty, a Shin 2150 or a Varga Kachina?. My vote goes to the Shin.

[lefty]

Funny how the gear stays compressed when it's flying............:mixed-smiley-010:

[giruXX]

I have it as Shinn 2150-A N5151V.

@lefty: look at the main gear: it’s de-compressed. There is a second unambiguous in-flight photo (with closed canopy) where the gear looks identical.

A pint for wout. :icon29:

[lefty]

Sorry for being over-cynical, Uli !
This would absolutely confirm that it was possible to fly this with the canopy open - I would have thought it would part company with the rest of the aircraft quite quickly !

[wout]

Continuing with a V-tail:jump:

[wout]

Forget the V-tail, than the rest of the plane should look familiar :biggrin-new:

[wout]

.......then the rest.......

[Moses03]

Walter, is this the Greenapples AT-19?

See attached pdf for reference.


Good to be back from Las Vegas (business trip, not much fun). Been a long hectic week.:dizzy:

[wout]

hi Kevin:very_drunk:.
That is the AT-19 by Gale Abels.
Thank you very much for the link, new to me and beautiful to see what can be behind a homebuilt story.
Hope the new owners get her back in the air soon!
If you need 2 weeks to recover from the LAS trip, please let usknow. Otherwise we expect you yo do your duty.

[Moses03]

I'm on it! How about a grainy floater?

https://i.imgur.com/tqEQoJg.jpg

[Moses03]

Obviously French, but the designer spent the first part of his life in Russia.

[Baragouin]

Obviously French, but the designer spent the first part of his life in Russia.
Hi Kevin!
She doesn't ring a bell to me but two names jump to my mind: Deville or Richard....
Cheers
Carlo (BG)

[cthornburg]

Bodiansky 30

Chris

[Moses03]

It is the Type 30.:very_drunk: Note the similarity to a Villiers design. Bodiansky worked for Villiers for a time.

EDIT:

As it goes I found another photo from Sept 1932:

https://i.imgur.com/HjfdnEh.jpg

[cthornburg]

an easy one slightly different

Chris

[lefty]

Looks like an Argus motor - might be the Nardi FN 305D ?

[cthornburg]

Like I said easy. Just different engine than normal.
Over to you Lefty

Chris

[lefty]

Sorry for the delay - problems this end - here's another easy one to keep things rolling along -

[giruXX]

it seems that nobody wants to shoot at an airship

Good chance for a newbee :bee:

[wout]

My (secret) in-house data-base distinguishes an aircraft by the wing. However it cannot figure out whether Lefty`s jewel is a parasol wing, or a low wing, or a biplane, or a triplane, or
a....:dizzy:
I agree in advance with the one coming up with the right answer.

[Dev One]

Well, well, well, who'd of thought it came from Southampton...... the one & only Supermarine Nighthawk.
Googling quadriplanes brought up a lot more designs than I though possible!
Keith

[lefty]

Multiple wings, multiple engines, multiple designations, we got 'em all here.......

Over to Keith for the Night Hawk :very_drunk:

Who'd have thought that only 20 years later, the company would come up with the most beautiful aeroplane ever built......

(and Walter, it's a bi-inverted sesqui-quadriplane......:jump:)

[Dev One]

With a top knot.....Thank you Mike,
so my next offering is....& hoping not used before
Keith

[Moses03]

Whenever Keith posts a pic, I wonder if he is also modeling it for FS.:encouragement:

Think this is a Mitsubishi Ki-33 of some sort?



Edit: 3-bladed prop, maybe the A5M prototype?

http://nipponnews.photoshelter.com/image/I0000Z4CbWAi_KDg

[cthornburg]

I have it as captured by Russia Mitsubishi A5M1

Chris

[Dev One]

You are both correct gents, but Moses got there first.:very_drunk:
The photo before doctoring does show Russian stars. I did not know that it was captured by Russia.
As for modelling it....unlikely - too much guesswork required. Vega Gull coming along though.
Keith

[Moses03]

Thanks Keith. Had no idea it was captured but now can just barely make out what looks like a star under the wing. Chris has better eyes!


Here is a no frills biplane to consider.

https://i.imgur.com/GhUc7MB.jpg

[giruXX]

assuming it were American, I can suggest two candidates in a "completely blind guess":

- Kalec Biplane (1928)
or
- Marston & Ordway (1930)

In any case I would be happy to see a picture of either one or both :engel016: (if not now, then maybe later)

[Moses03]

Hey Uli, you can scratch USA off the list. (Now you have me curious about the Kalec and Marston biplanes...)

[Moses03]

This early 1930's effort featured a Pobjoy up front...

[fabulousfour]

This is probably the Freuller A built by Señor Freuller from Spain.

Nice picture!

[Moses03]

You got it Robert.:very_drunk: I liked the monoplane he designed later on.

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Kevin.

Here is another big bird from my inventory.

[Moses03]

I think Robert's interesting non-flyer has surfaced.:biggrin-new:

https://i.imgur.com/766ti7c.jpg

[fabulousfour]

Congratulations, Kevin, it is the Martin Bomber! :icon29:

Wouldn't have thought that this mistery could be solved without some hints.

One of my clues would have been this expanded picture where the "Kitten" is visible.

Over to you!

[Moses03]

Thanks. In return you guys quickly pick off ones I think are tough and might last a few hours.:encouragement:


This one will probably last about 30 min before being identified!

https://i.imgur.com/9TSanLq.jpg

[giruXX]

well 30 minutes is not enough :mixed-smiley-027:

for a Letov Š-19

[Moses03]

Still impressive.:guinness:

Over to the Black Forest.

[giruXX]

Here comes another white pigeon

[cthornburg]

Rumpler 7D1

Chris

[lefty]

Morning Uli - that's the rather ugly Rumpler C.IX.

Woops ! Chris' post just appeared suddenly - it wasn't there a minute ago....strange.

[giruXX]

OK, first come first serve: Chris :icon29:

Apparently your posts c(h)ris-crossed the Atlantic :engel016:

[lefty]

I agree entirely it is Chris' go, but I still think I got the model number right ???

[giruXX]

sorry my fault :mixed-smiley-027:

indeed its a Rumpler C.IX (7C1)

the beer should go to lefty !! :ernaehrung004:

[lefty]

Thanks, but please let Chris proceed - I've run out of mysteries for the moment.

[cthornburg]

This is what I have for the Rumpler 7C1/C.IX and 7D1
Maybe like French aircraft?
I still don't have my library back with me. I think the new series on Germany WW1 aircraft is where I got this.

Chris

[lefty]

Hi Chris

according to Gray & Thetford's Putnam tome, your left-hand photo is the C IX (first version) with the second photo being the 7D1 - very similar in appearance to the CIX (second version) but only a single-seater !

But you may well be right - the French didn't have a monopoloy in obfuscation - they just developed it into an art form.......

Look forward to seeing your next puzzler
regards Mike

[cthornburg]

Nice little biplane.

Just to let everyone know after 2 years finally got a flying job again part time. Flying Cessna 402 weighs less than my old aux tank. Then again small is more fun to fly. Hard part finding something was getting something here in Boise.

Chris

[Baragouin]

Thanks. In return you guys quickly pick off ones I think are tough and might last a few hours.:encouragement:


This one will probably last about 30 min before being identified!

https://i.imgur.com/9TSanLq.jpgBeautiful pic Kevin! Out of curiosity is she the L-BALK with Walter engine?
Cheers
Carlo (BG)

[pomme homme]

You're wicked, Chris. That picture will cause Lefty apoplexy in trying to decide whether the top surface is a parasol wing or not! http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon23.gif

[Moses03]

Chris' parasol (just kidding!), is the Gasuden Model 1. That distinctive black cowling usually points to the far east. And congrats on your flying job:encouragement:

Carlo: It is indeed L-BALK with the wout engine.

[cthornburg]

I knew it was fairly easy. Over to you

Chris

[Moses03]

A Sunday floater.

https://i.imgur.com/hkhLM79.jpg

[lefty]

Er, would this be another non-flyer, by any chance ?? With Isotta-Fraschini motors ??? Those props must have been perilously close to the waterline.....

[Moses03]

Mike, you are correct on the engines. A well-known site says it might have not flown but I thought it managed a hop or two on a test flight. Circa 1921.

[lefty]

In which case it's the Cox-Klemin CK-2A1.

Strange that there is very little on the web at all about this, flyer or not....

[Moses03]

Suds for Lefty.:icon29:

Agreed, there is little information out there. I thought I came across a technical journal some time ago that explained how they launched the flying boat with little or no success but can't seem to dig it up now. It was underpowered and suffered from directional stability. Something like that.

[lefty]

Ah well, another one that vanished into obscurity.

Here's something smaller and speedier..

[cthornburg]

Bee Line BR-1 or 2 probably 1 and the picture is backwards BR-1

Chris

[cthornburg]

Just a note as I looked up the Cox-Klemin it should be the CK-1 not CK-2 which was a 2 seat open cockpit biplane. They labeled it wrong in Aerofiles at least the pix was.

Chris

[lefty]

Chris, you are right on the Bee Line -according to Larkins this is the BR-2.:very_drunk:

As for the Cox-Klemin - sloppy of me to copy in the wrong Aerofiles designation. It is of course the CK-1.

There was apparently another Cox-Klemin amphibian (CK-18)- are there any photos of this one?

[cthornburg]

Something more up to date.

and a pix of the CK-18 requested.

Chris

[giruXX]

The Airplane Factory Sling 2, OO-SON ??

[cthornburg]

Looked it up looks like it. I had it as Sonaca 200 OO-NEW

Chris

[giruXX]

I just read that Sonaca is a joint venture with The Airplane Factory from South Africa.
Now I understand that SON in OO-SON already stood for Sonaca. The repainted aircraft is here: https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/4f290407-d406-4cf4-9672-0c63675aae21-original.jpeg


My next mystery is a red one:

[Moses03]

Googling "little red plane" is just not working for me...

[giruXX]

you should assume that this is a practical aeroplane :wavey:

[fabulousfour]

Uli, this is the Aeroprakt A-32 Vixxen in Australia :wavey:

[giruXX]

that's close enough (registration UR-PARP, i.e. an Aeroprakt A-32 from Ukraine)

:ernaehrung004::ernaehrung004::ernaehrung004: Happy Birthday (by the way)

[fabulousfour]

Yes, I know, Uli. That's why I wrote in Australia and not from Australia ;)

And thanks by the way. :wavey:

Here is something vintage again.

[Baragouin]

Yes, I know, Uli. That's why I wrote in Australia and not from Australia ;)

And thanks by the way. :wavey:

Here is something vintage again.

Hi Robert
Could that be a Waco 10 with a radial engine?
Cheers
Carlo (BG)

[fabulousfour]

I have it as an Argentinian Waco ASO, but according to aerofiles 10-W should also be correct.

So the beer goes to Carlo :encouragement: :icon29:

[Baragouin]

I have it as an Argentinian Waco ASO, but according to aerofiles 10-W should also be correct.

So the beer goes to Carlo :encouragement: :icon29:
Thanks Robert
Here goes my next coloured item....
Cheers
Carlo (BG)
https://imgur.com/a/zawVB

By the way would you know which type engine was fitted on the argentinian Waco?

[fabulousfour]

The engine is not listed in my source, Carlo.
But according to aerofiles it should be a Wright J-5.

[lefty]

One final thought on the Waco - should this not be the 10-T (Taperwing) ? The 10-W was straight, i.e. parallel, wing like most other Wacos, and those wings are certainly not parallel !

[Moses03]

Carlo, your biplane has a distinctive wing. It looks like a New Standard. Maybe a NT-2?

http://www.aerofiles.com/newstd-NT2.jpg


(http://www.aerofiles.com/newstd-NT2.jpg)Edit: Found your plane and listed as a D-25.

http://www.waldowrights.com/new-standard/

[Baragouin]

Carlo, your biplane has a distinctive wing. It looks like a New Standard. Maybe a NT-2?

http://www.aerofiles.com/newstd-NT2.jpg


(http://www.aerofiles.com/newstd-NT2.jpg)Edit: Found your plane and listed as a D-25.

http://www.waldowrights.com/new-standard/
Yes Kevin she's the New Standard D25...your turn and please surprise us!
Cheers
Carlo

[fabulousfour]

One final thought on the Waco - should this not be the 10-T (Taperwing) ? The 10-W was straight, i.e. parallel, wing like most other Wacos, and those wings are certainly not parallel !

Mike, this is the quote from my source.
I must admit that I didn't notice the difference between the ASO/10-W and the ATO/10-T in the picture but now I think that the source is wrong and the biplane is actually a Waco ATO.

You have good eyes :encouragement:

[Moses03]

This one will not win any beauty contests.

https://i.imgur.com/01cRRe3.jpg

[giruXX]

I am puzzled. The fuselage looks like from a Vance Special.

Any relation ?

[giruXX]

Now I found it! It’s the "Satteo" six-passenger commercial airplane (350hp. Liberty) designed and constructed by O.L. Woodsin and J.P. Porter in 1922.

[Moses03]

It is the 1922 SATTCO airliner.:very_drunk: No word on the 6 passengers crammed into the wood fuselage.

[giruXX]

Ooh, my old eyes, sattCo of course :hopelessness:

Here is an interesting bird:

[Moses03]

It's not French either...:wink:

[giruXX]

Some clues for the detectives among us:



The similarity with the well-know French aeroplane is a good starting point, as (all?) authors mention this.
One of the two designers became very famous. The airplane should therefore somehow appear in his CV (but I didn’t check).
Interestingly, the designation for this airplane was used twice: for a biplane and for the depicted monoplane. Both built by the same men.

[giruXX]

I have to reveal as I must go: Bylinkin and Sikorsky type 1 BiS-1 monoplane.

Open House please.

[cthornburg]

Nice biplane

Chris

[fabulousfour]

I think this is the Cox-Klemin Night Hawk aka Heinkel HD.27

[cthornburg]

That's the one. I thought it might last longer.

Chris

[fabulousfour]

Here is another good looking biplane of the same era.

[lefty]

Is that the Memel A.F.G.1/Albatros L.65 ?

[fabulousfour]

That was fast, Mike! :encouragement:

It is one of the rare pictures of the Albatros L.65 in front of the Heinkel-hangar. :icon29:

Next mystery please.

[lefty]

Thanks Robert - just happened to get up early and recognised this one right away - posted it myself once long ago - the I-struts and spinner are the clues.......

Here's something small and portly (posted by someone of a similar description....)

[pomme homme]

Is that the prototype Victa (Millicer) Airtourer VH-FMM? It looks like it except that the cabin glazing doesn't tie up with any of the photographs I've found.

[lefty]

Yes Mike, that's the prototype - wooden-built, although I don't know about the canopy frame...:very_drunk:

[Moses03]

Here's something small and portly (posted by someone of a similar description....)

That made me chuckle this morning...and I needed that! Lefty, ever so humble.:lemo:

[pomme homme]

And I was beginning to think that, with the depth and breadth of the knowledge assembled here, I'd never put in another appearance! So thank you, Mike. And here's a period piece, which I don't think has been used here hitherto, to take us on .....

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4536/38139562744_8e4f468c28_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/217gef1)

[giruXX]

May I put my guess on the Guerchais-Roche T5.0 ?

[Dev One]

Has a lot of 'Koolhaven' features, but cannot find it simply on wiki.

[pomme homme]

May I put my guess on the Guerchais-Roche T5.0 ?

You may put your guess, sir, and if you do so, it will be an accurate guess! It's one of the two Guerchais-Roches produced for the French Air Ministry in 1931.

I haven't been able to find a registration for the T5.0 but the other (the T5.1) was F-AJHD. I don't think wikipedia carries any mention of the T5.0 and I didn't find any images of it online.

Sadly the Air Ministry were not impressed with either the T5.0 or the T5.1 - and so there their story ended.

Next challenge from Germany, please.

[giruXX]

Salut Pomme Homme, it seems that we have the same source.

May I declare “Floater Time”?

Here is an according interesting number. Sorry for the grainy pic.

[giruXX]

You should have a close look at the floats! These are carved after a historic and world-famous plane. The rest of the present vehicle was built from scratch to test these floats as a first step towards creating a flying replica of the historic airplane. Power comes from two Chrysler engines.

[giruXX]

would it help if I said that the world-famous plane won the Schneider trophy?

[lefty]

Not really....

[giruXX]

OK, more than 48 hours is enough.

From Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1985-86:

FLIGHT DYNAMICS INC, PO Box 5070, State University Station, Raleigh, North Carolina 27650

Flight Dynamics Ultralite Test Vehicle

This company has test flown a single-seat twin-engined seaplane intended as a test vehicle for components of a replica of the Supermarine S.6 Schneider Trophy seaplane. The test vehicle is of twin boom, twin float configuration with twin fins and rudders. A constant chord wing of 10.6 m span and 13.28 m2 area is constructed from Klégécel spars with Iinear glass spar caps, foam ribs and glassfibre epoxy skin. Aerofoil section is GAW-2 Rectangular. Power plant is two 6.71 kW (9 hp) Chrysler engines, each driving, a two-blade propeller. Empty weight is 142 kg (314 lb).

OPEN HOUSE, please

[wout]

We gave not had a twin tail boomer for a while. The best (and only!) picture I ever saw.

[Moses03]

Two twin boomers in a row, and one a pusher. Never seen either one. Blimey!

[wout]

Oh brother, some help to get you started :jump:
This one-of-a-kind has nothing to do with the well-known aircraft company with the same name

[wout]

She is American. First flight 1965. Damaged in (non-fatal) accident on 23 April 1966 when gear collapsed. Two-seater had retractable gear and I never flound out what engine was installed.

[fabulousfour]

Pulliam CS-1?

Couldn't find anything about that bird except the entry at aerofiles

[wout]

Hi fabulousfour:encouragement:
Maybe the Pulliam (I have this CS-1 as the Crouch & Sowers CS-1 with same N225A registration. Extenally looking like a (single-seat) Piper Cub. I understand that Charles Pulliam may have been the builder of N225A.
The twin tail boomer is the Short Model A (also seen named as One-Of-A-Kind). Registration was N238Y.

May I hand the baton to you, please

[fabulousfour]

Thanks for the information about the Pulliam, Walter! :encouragement:

Couldn't find anything about the Short twin-boomer either :dizzy:Your database is incredible!

As you pushed the baton to me, here is a nice floater.

[fabulousfour]

Time for a clue.

The company is well known, though not one of the big players. The aircraft had different types of undercarriages.

[fabulousfour]

Not a European type.

[fabulousfour]

Hadn't thought that this would last so long. :dizzy:

First flight 1917, in the late twenties the company built aircraft in license from a well known European manufacturer of light planes.

[giruXX]

Thought it MUST be German.

I'll dare to put a coin on the Aeromarine 39-A (http://www.aerofiles.com/aeromar-39a.jpg)

[fabulousfour]

Finally! :applause:

The German look was part of the mystery but that could be excluded after my second clue.
Would be interesting to know why this Aeromarine was so similar to German types.

And the beer goes to.... Uli! :icon29:

[giruXX]

Here is a strikingly clean construction for its time. I wonder why it became obscure.

[giruXX]

time for a clue: it was built and flown in the capital of the second largest state of the German Empire (which you all know)

[fabulousfour]

Hi Uli.
Found a description (but no picture) in Lange's book of a Wildt Eindecker built and flown 1911 at the "Bayerische Fliegerschule" in München-Oberwiesenfeld.
Could this be the one?

[giruXX]

Hi Robert,
that's a full hit. :ernaehrung004: It is indeed the Wildt Eindecker from the Bavarian Armed Force's Flying School at München-Oberwiesenfeld in 1911. It's a mystery why such a beautiful construction left so little trace in literature.

Enjoy a :icon29: or two.

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Uli :ernaehrung004:

This one should be easier as my last mystery :)

[Moses03]

The view is a little tricky but it might be the Kinner Argonaut?

[fabulousfour]

It is the Argonaut with the whole family of Bert Kinner. :)

Enjoy your pint :icon29:

[Moses03]

And here is an even easier one...

https://i.imgur.com/kdHuXre.jpg

[lefty]

Nobody else around, so I'll nip in with Bleriot Bl-135 ? (not that easy, Kevin......)

[Baragouin]

Nobody else around, so I'll nip in with Bleriot Bl-135 ? (not that easy, Kevin......)
Hi Mike!
I was also going to type Bleriot Bl135 but simply the engines do not match at all (unless this is a version with special engines...)
Cheers
Carlo (BG)

[Moses03]

Well done Mike, it is the Bl-135.:very_drunk:

Found another pic buried in the Gallica archives.

https://i.imgur.com/BvAD1KE.jpg

[Baragouin]

Well done Mike, it is the Bl-135.:very_drunk:

Found another pic buried in the Gallica archives.

https://i.imgur.com/BvAD1KE.jpgHow silly of me I mixed up the Bl115 with the Bl135....old age I suppose...
Cheers
Carlo (BG)

[Moses03]

Not silly at all Carlo as the 135 was developed from the 115 according to various sources.



And why is it one seems to find better photos after posting? :adoration:

Just found this on ebay:

https://i.imgur.com/BtnAdGt.jpg

That is all the Bl-135 I have currently!

[lefty]

With nice chunky 9-cyl Salmsons......

Here's a floater which is not at all difficult but which, in this form , is rather lovely. Details please.

[giruXX]

is this what you wanted to read?

The Saunders-Roe Cutty Sark A.17/1 G-AAIP was initially fitted with small-diameter four-bladed airscrews, but these were soon discarded.

[lefty]

Indeed, Uli, the smooth-sided Cutty Sark prototype with Hermes engines...:very_drunk:

Not sure if it actually flew with the for-bladed props, but, what the heck !

[giruXX]

Here comes my next:

[giruXX]

The figure caption says it participated in an air derby and its name is reminiscent of a race-horse rider. Two were built.

[giruXX]

To help you nail it down: it's powered by a Wright J-5 and it is photographed in 1927.

[Moses03]

Been searching for a suitable Wright J-5 candidate since you first posted the pic with no luck. If this is one of the Dole Derby racers, I'm just not finding it.

[giruXX]

no it isn't a Dole Derby Racer
The clue is in the word for the horse-rider

The aircraft has 3 seats!

[Moses03]

Three seats...argh! No wonder.:biggrin-new: (Didn't get the horse clue but that is my shortcoming then).

Uli has been sneaky with the Yackey Monoplane Prototype.

[giruXX]

Hi Kevin,

you got it! Enjoy :very_drunk: a :icon29: or two!

[Moses03]

Thanks Uli.

This one has a ridiculous name...

https://i.imgur.com/pyxtFrY.jpg

[wout]

hi Kevin:encouragement:
A clue is supposed to help. Which one, the plane or the driver?

[Moses03]

The plane has the strange name. It is an extensive modification of a common type.

[Moses03]

There is no Aerofiles entry but the designer is mentioned in passing there. The engine is a Continental R-670. I think it was built sometime in the late 1960's.

[PeteHam]

It looks like a love child of a Commonwealth Aircraft CA-28 Ceres and Grumman Agcat :dizzy:

Pete.

[Moses03]

Right. This is the Rutten Coon Bottom Monster. It once was a Stearman Kaydet. Open board please-

http://aerialvisuals.ca/AirframeDossier.php?Serial=29756

[wout]

Hi Kevin:encouragement:
Completely new to me.
New challenge is a chopper this time. I peromise a better picture, once solved.

[giruXX]

This looks like a thing called Haig-K HK-1 to me.

[wout]

hi GiruXX:very_drunk:
Bingo! As promised a better pircture of the Haik-K HK-1. Design Haig Kurkjian and his Haig-K Aircraft Corporation.
Can you please post one that I know?

[giruXX]

No ping-pong, please. :snowman:

Let’s move forward to something particularly elegant.

[fabulousfour]

Am I right that Willy was involved in that jet?
Could it be the Helwan HA-300?

[giruXX]

indeed, it's the HA-300 :ernaehrung004:

[fabulousfour]

Nice! I guess that there are not so many inflight photos of the Helwan. :encouragement:

Here is another elegant aircraft.

Sorry for the grainy picture.

[lefty]

Dewoitine D.560 ?

[fabulousfour]

That's it! :icon29:

Over to you, Mike.

[lefty]

We had a biplane with I-struts recently - here's another, much smarter one...(better be quick as Wout is lurking.....)

[wout]

hi Mike:encouragement:
I think she is the Hoefelmann CH-1 Schatzie in original (1967) form (N86495)

[lefty]

..as predicted..:very_drunk: Not a bad job for $2000, although it took him nine years.

Over to Holland !

[wout]

The CH-1 Schatzie in later form with retractable gear and (larger) squared tail. Must jhave found some money somewhere.
I noted this aircraft also as the Hafe CH-1 *aftwer 7 hears of grounding). No idea why the name change.
Next challenge will follow a.s.a.p.

[wout]

Next challenge is a tri-geared job. Wish I had a better camera when I was young.

[lefty]

S.N.C.A.S.O. SO.7050 Deauville.

[wout]

Hi Mike!
Can I say that you are not wrong:very_drunk:
The only Deauville with a tri-gear. All others (including this one at a later stage) had the more familiar tail wheel.
You forced yourself into this situation, so we expect "and now for something completely different"

[lefty]

Here's a shiny fellow..

[giruXX]

Shiny like a wizard from a western country :cheerful:

[lefty]

Cryptic answer from gX is good for me....:very_drunk: Westland Wizard.

[giruXX]

A new Chicken (presumably from Wout’s farm):

[wout]

hi giruXX:encouragement:
I put what is left of my money on a Sadler Vampire.

[giruXX]

Hi Wout,

I hope you'll get a new salary in 2018 (or some money for Christmas) as this is not a Sadler Vampire :surprise: :chargrined:

[wout]

Turned in the empty bottles of the last 3 months, so have some money again.
This time put in on the Aero Dynamics Sparrow Hawk.

[giruXX]

Welcome back on track again, wout. That's correct now :icon29:

[wout]

Thanks giruXX:encouragement:
This one was originally planned as a single-seater, but the selection of amore powerful engine resulted in ending up as s-b-s 2-seater.

[pomme homme]

Is this another of your Russian jobbies, from the St Petersburg area, Walter?

[lefty]

Looks tatty enough to be Russian, Mike......

[wout]

Hi friends:encouragement:
Yes she is Russian, but not from St.Petersburg. My photo caption says "allegaartje""which is, roughly, Dutch for parts of miscellaneous aircraft.
Not surprisingly, I supplied the engine.

[fabulousfour]

Looks like the AIST-123M.

[wout]

hi fabulousfour:very_drunk:
She IS the Aist-123M. Very nice Columbo work:applause:
This is what got on her: homebuilt aircraft that was built by students of a Volgograd (Moscow) school/club and members of the Aeroclub Aist-M of Myachkovo (Moscow). The Aeroclub had been founded by Messrs. Alexander and Vyacheslav Markalov and the initiative came from their father Mr. Anatoly M. Markalov. The aircraft was at an early stage planned as single-seater with a modified Ural motorcycle engine, but this was soon changed into a side-by-side 2-seatere to make it suitable as trainer for the aeroclub. The AIST-123M used the (modified) wings and tail section of a Zlin Z-326 and reportedly the fuselage was largely based on that of a Zlin Z-142. The one-of-a-kind aircraft was fitted with one 140hp (160hp) Walter/LOM M332 engine and was completed and first flown in 1987 after construction had started some 8 years earlier.

Looking forward to your next challenge

[fabulousfour]

Thanks, Walter. :ernaehrung004:

It's been quite some days since we had a rotorcraft.

[lefty]

Ahhh, I remember this - posted it a few years ago - also seen without its wings, I think ?

[fabulousfour]

Could be possible that you are thinking about the same type, Mike.
This design flew also as a wingless rotorcraft.

[fabulousfour]

This autogyro based on a German patent but was not built in Germany.

[lefty]

Another pic -

[fabulousfour]

May I declare the mystery as solved herewith? :very_drunk:

[lefty]

Robert, I'm staying out of this - I have a very hectic couple of days being Masterchef, and will be preoccupied with culinary matters (no turkey this Christmas - warm scallop + black pudding + bacon salad, followed by Beef Wellington...)

Your mystery was ID'd back in 2015 by one of our lapsed regulars, but most of the usual suspects were in attendance.

Have a lovely Christmas when it comes ! And that applies to all of you ! :very_drunk: :santahat:

[fabulousfour]

Excuse accepted, Mike. :santahat:
A Merry Christmas to you and your friends.

To accelerate things a bit: First flight was 1931 with an ACE engine, later on the craft had a Jacobs.
And of course listes in aerofiles but no pic.

[pomme homme]

Robert, I'm staying out of this - I have a very hectic couple of days being Masterchef, and will be preoccupied with culinary matters (no turkey this Christmas - warm scallop + black pudding + bacon salad, followed by Beef Wellington...)

Your mystery was ID'd back in 2015 by one of our lapsed regulars, but most of the usual suspects were in attendance.

Have a lovely Christmas when it comes ! And that applies to all of you ! :very_drunk: :santahat:

So it's all round to Mike's house tomorrow ..... !

Joyeux Noël à tous

[fabulousfour]

I don't know when I'm back at my PC so I'd like to solve the mystery.

It is the Winford WRK Gyroplane posted already here (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/17-The-Ongoing-Mystery-Aircraft-Thread-Part-Deux?p=935370&viewfull=1#post935370) by lefty.

Open house please.


A Merry Christmas to all of you and may at least some of your wishes come true. :santahat:

[wout]

A Merry Christmas to you all and wishing you double of what you wish for me:encouragement::encouragement:

A slim lady with an unusual landing gear arrangement.

[pomme homme]

If not for the fact that it wasn't built, I'd hazard a guess at the Pottier P.30 Pétrel. Walter's offering looks as if it is that from which the tricycle undercarriage version of the Pottier P.130 should have evolved.

[lefty]

A decidely anorexic lady. She'd better not come round here for lunch........:santahat:

[wout]

Sorry, no connection with any of Jean Pottier`s designs.
If it helps, that is NOT a DC-3/C-47 in the background.

[srgalahad]

Sorry, no connection with any of Jean Pottier`s designs.
If it helps, that is NOT a DC-3/C-47 in the background.

No, the spinners and cowls are more in tune with an Li-2 which would move it east-ish.

[fabulousfour]

I think this is the "M-3" (the only designation I could find) converted from a KAI-12 sailplane.

Unfortunately my knowledge of the Russian language is close to nil.

[wout]

hi fabulousfour:very_drunk:
The M-3 it is. M standing for a Mr. Masterov. I have bits and pieces scattered on my harddisk and trying to make a good soup from them.

Your turn, sir!

[lefty]

I have bits and pieces scattered on my harddisk and trying to make a good soup from them.

I didn't realise times were so hard in Holland, Walter. I'll send a wee food parcel from Scotland - some haggis, perhaps ? and some left-over Christmas pudding ? :santahat:

[fabulousfour]

Some pictures of the "M-3" can be found here (http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1355071138/2) and here (https://russianplanes.net/search.php?sereq=%D0%9C-3), however the text without Google translator is completely cryptic to me. :very_drunk:
Perhaps there are some photos included that are new to you, Walter.

This one shouldn't be too difficult.

[wout]

Hi fabulousfour:encouragement:
Thank you for the links. Some of the pictures are indeed new to me. I have some doubts whether the yellow one is the M-3. View the different gear etc. It may be the M-5.
The one with 07 on the fuselage side could also be a (slightly) different design. I am not yet in the full detective mode, but the soup is hanging over the fire.

Hi Mike:encouragement:
Thank you for your warm thoughts. Just wat I needed. Gladly the situation is not hopeless overhere. Will see how it develops with the new governmwent and now that we missed Moscow.

[Moses03]

Robert's latest is a Fokker O-27.

Hope everyone had a nice Christmas.:santahat:

[fabulousfour]

That's the bird! :encouragement:

Over to you, Kevin :icon29:

[Moses03]

Thanks Robert.

Onward and upward...

https://i.imgur.com/T3TZePR.jpg

[giruXX]

I have this as Eyerly Lee 7D Comet with a five-cylinder Kinner, registered 27W.

[Baragouin]

Hi fabulousfour:encouragement:
Thank you for the links. Some of the pictures are indeed new to me. I have some doubts whether the yellow one is the M-3. View the different gear etc. It may be the M-5.
The one with 07 on the fuselage side could also be a (slightly) different design. I am not yet in the full detective mode, but the soup is hanging over the fire.

Hi Mike:encouragement:
Thank you for your warm thoughts. Just wat I needed. Gladly the situation is not hopeless overhere. Will see how it develops with the new governmwent and now that we missed Moscow.
Hi Robert maybe I can help just a little just by basing myself on my scarce russian knowledge (a short string of lectures at the Florence University about 55 years ago)...anyway what Sergo-UK00 writes relating to the Yellow Aircraft is "this looks like an M5 with engine Walter 140HP very similar to M3 of october 2o12"
Cheers
Carlo (BG)

[Moses03]

I have this as Eyerly Lee 7D Comet with a five-cylinder Kinner, registered 27W.

Spot on Uli! :icon29:

Over to Germany-

[giruXX]

A constructional detail should give it away. But only two were built.

[lefty]

That, Uli, is the not-very-successful Breguet AG.4

I presume the constructional detail you refer to is the skid thingy under the fuselage to stop them ripping the tail off on landing ?

I'm not entirely convinced about the Eyerly Comet - it looks nothing like either of the photos on Aerofiles, and the description fits the earlier Eyerly Monoplane ? The motor looks like the 5-cyl Velie. But maybe I'm right off beam here......

[giruXX]

Hallo Mike,

spot on the AG.4 :icon29:

here are pictures of the Eyerly Lee:

[lefty]

Thanks Uli - that is a perfect explanation !

After all these rather unlovely aircraft, how about a sweet little floater ?

[Moses03]

That EAA newsletter was my source on the Comet. I knew it was an oddball with the long nose Kinner version.

Lefty's latest is a CANT 26 converted into a floater.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANT_26

[lefty]

That's it, you CANT go wrong with a floater!
Over top Texas - :very_drunk::very_drunk:

[Moses03]

Thanks Mike.

Here is an unsuccessful early 1920's transport.

https://i.imgur.com/zoKwMTK.jpg

[giruXX]

that could/should be the Blériot 106

[Moses03]

It is.:icon29:

Found this on ebay recently. Somewhat of a rare photo.

https://i.imgur.com/3byxSJP.jpg

[giruXX]

indeed!

Here is another, presumably rare, wee bird:

[Moses03]

Over 12 hours without a nibble...going to jump in here with the Herff Lightplane of 1926 from Texas. Adolph Herff also built and flew a similar parasol in 1924 he called the Canary that is not documented at Aerofiles.

https://i.imgur.com/yRrkLiC.jpg

[giruXX]

:ernaehrung004: yes, it is the Herff Lightplane :icon29:

Over to Texas

[Moses03]

Thanks, and now for something completely different. We are heading into a new year so why not a new design?

https://i.imgur.com/RjzH1jm.jpg

[lefty]

Digging around, I find the Cobalt Valkyrie.

I presume your photo means they have actually managed to get one flying ??