The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

[pomme homme]

Thank you, Baragouin. Here's a curious little creature that I don't think has appeared here before .....

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1530/24845589811_ea4a93c2af_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DRw9f8)

[Moses03]

Looks like something from the Darmstadt line but not finding anything there.

[pomme homme]

You're barking up the right tree, Kevin.

[Moses03]

Must be the D-22? I think the grainy photo fooled me.

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/WestermanCL/12772L-1.jpg

[pomme homme]

Indeed it is. The first one, G-ABPX. Over to you, sir.

[Moses03]

How about this moody twin?

http://i.imgur.com/fu58jzc.jpg

[Baragouin]

How about this moody twin?

http://i.imgur.com/fu58jzc.jpg
European?
BG

[Moses03]

Not from Europe BG...

This company designed nearly a couple dozen aircraft but this was the only multi-engine design that flew. They had a trimotor in the works but was never completed.

I have only seen one other photo of this plane.

[Moses03]

It was powered by two German Siemens-Halske radials which led to it's demise...

[Green]

It was powered by two German Siemens-Halske radials which led to it's demise...

Hi Moses.

Possibly this fella?...

The American Eagle A-629.

[Moses03]

That is it G. A pint for you. :very_drunk:

[Green]

Thanks Moses. Thanks also for the generous clues. :encouragement:

Should be easy - from a recognition film...

[Dev One]

Well....Googling for Australian recognition films there is one with an ID of F05021 for a Hudson III. Can't run the film though. Is that too easy to find?
I would have guessed Lockheed anyway, & always Hudson comes to mind, but knowing the curved ball thats thrown here from time to time....
Keith

[Green]

Hi Keith.
Nice detective work Keith, but this aircraft was never used by the RAAF nor is it from the USA...

[lefty]

No, I was thinking Japanese, but couldn't find a Betty with twin tails. I'll settle for the dear old Armstrong Whitworth Albemarle ? (There's a wee kink in the horizontal tail surface leading edge which is a dead giveaway !)

Can't imagine very many ended up in Oz though.........

[Green]

Go to the top of the class Lefty. The Albemarle it is! :very_drunk:

[lefty]

Thanks G - here's another easy twin -

[Baragouin]

Hi Lefty!
In spite of the Hakenkreuz this is a Hanriot H232/2.01....
Cheers
BG

PS Nice pic by the way!

[lefty]

Yes, BG, part of the huge assortment of junk inherited by the Germans...:icon29:

[pomme homme]

One man's junk ....... !

And anyway, 'inherited' implies that either it was willingly given or legimately passed. Ask any Frenchman and I doubt that you'd find one who is d'accord.

[srgalahad]

One man's junk ....... !

And anyway, 'inherited' implies that either it was willingly given or legimately passed. Ask any Frenchman and I doubt that you'd find one who is d'accord.
'
I've often had visions (nightmares?) of a gaggle of German officers and aero mechanics touring France in 1940, sipping on 'inherited' Calvados, muttering "What are we going to DO with all this #&*^@#$" ...

[pomme homme]

..... and perhaps singing:

Allumette, frottez l'allumette
Allumette, je le brûlerai

:biggrin-new:

[Baragouin]

Hi boys and girls!
after giggling over the last few posts let me submit following undoctored item:
http://i63.tinypic.com/jskck5.png
BG

[lefty]

I've obviously struck a sensitive nerve here, so in the interests of Euro-harmony (Dave, Angela, are you listening ?) please substitute the term 'junk' with 'imaginatively designed Gallic flying apparatus'

(If necessary, you may substitute 'imaginatively' with 'whimsically', 'optimistically' or, quite often, 'bizarrely'.) :encouragement:

[Green]

Hi BG.

Maybe a Danish trainer/reconnaissance aircraft - the Royal Army Aircraft Factory I O - based on the Fokker C.I?

[huub vink]

The O-Maskinen (OII) from the Hærens Flyveskole.......

Cheers,
Huub

[pomme homme]

Oooh, I do like to see some Romain Hugault BD artwork being used as an avatar. I doubt that my wife would let me!

Oh, and lefty, I don't wish to offend. Post Brexit, I may need to ask you to sponsor my application for Scottish nationality so that I can remain an EU national. The Auld Alliance! It's all down to my ma greet grammar, Pommette McHomme!

[Baragouin]

Hello Green and Huub-Vink
Green you were the first to reply and gave an almost exact designation however Huub-Vink gave the exact answer this being Maskine II-O an advanced trainer built by Flyvertroppernes Verkstaeder delivered in 1933 under serial O-72 ( I understand the only difference between Maskine O-I and O-II consists in the fact that the former was a single seater whereas the latter was a double seater ).
Therefore I think Huub-Vink should go ahead (unless moderators think otherwise)...
Cheers
BG

[huub vink]

I don't know whether this one has been here before, but in any case I think its an easy one............

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/Huubs_Pictures/Whichone_zpspqjs3vzt.jpg~original (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Huubs_Pictures/media/Whichone_zpspqjs3vzt.jpg.html)

[cthornburg]

BG

I have info that the difference from the I O to II O was the II O had a Mercedes engine

Chris

[Moses03]

I don't know whether this one has been here before, but in any case I think its an easy one............



Looks like Aussie pilots...:biggrin-new:

[lefty]

Aussies? Swedes, methinks. The FVM Tummelisa.

[huub vink]

Lefty is correct (as usual) :biggrin-new:. Its indeed the Swedish advanced trainer FVM Tummelisa pictured at Götenborg.

You can find its history here: http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/Flygkomp/022_tummelisa/22Lisa.htm

Cheers,
Huub

[Baragouin]

BG

I have info that the difference from the I O to II O was the II O had a Mercedes engine

Chris
Hello Chris
after reading the History of Danish Aviation of Ole Nicolajsen in the PDF format on the net I think it is safe to assume the following:
- Items from serial number O-56 thru O-70 (I-O) had a BMW engine
- Items from serial number O-71 thru O-78 (II-O) had a Mercedes engine
http://www.ole-nikolajsen.com/history%20acft%20dk.pdf
If you have time and are willing to do so please read the a.M. PDF
Cheers
BG

[lefty]

Treading precariously here, I give you an obscurity, and one about which I am not 100% sure ! Pretty certain that at least one of you will put me right !

[cthornburg]

Thanks for the info.

BG

[wout]

Hi MIke:encouragement:
The little known Carmier T-10 (or Model 10) homebuilt from France. F-WBBG by Mr. Pierre Carmier, built 1946

[lefty]

Indeed it is, Walter. Check this one out in AviaFrance and you will find a rather different-looking machine - apparently rebuilt after the war. :very_drunk: Over to the Low Lands.

[wout]

Hi Mike :encouragement:. Thanks for the info.
How about this nice hing wing turboprop job.

[Green]

Hi Wout.

Looking at the tail - Antonov An-2?? That's been through a band-saw and had a nose transplant?

[Ferry_vO]

Looks like the SibNIA TVS-2DT conversion of the An-2..

I also like the looks of the -2MS model:

https://img.planespotters.net/photo/639000/original/ra-2519g-sibnia-russian-federation-antonov-an-2mc-tb-2mc_PlanespottersNet_639595.jpg

[Moses03]

Wout posted this one back on July 14, 2015.:biggrin-new:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?17-The-Ongoing-Mystery-Aircraft-Thread-Part-Deux&p=965840&viewfull=1#post965840

[wout]

Hi all:encouragement:
Indeed the TVS-2-DT by SibNIA (Siberian Aeronautical Research Institute in Novosibirsk. SibNIA is very active to prolong the An-2 life.
TVS-2MS (aka An-2MS). First flown 2012, this retained An-2 wings and tail, but changed to TPE331 turbine. At last 6 already completed.
TVS-2-DT: Entirely new composite material wings and also TPE331 turbine. Test aircraft was monoplane (as in picture) with initially An-2 style tail. Test aircraft later modified as biplane with new composite lower wings, TPE331. prominent winglet/interconnecting struts and initially still the An-2 tail. Later a new squared/swept vertical tail was fitted and seems this variant is planned for production from 2017 onwards and reportedly a glass cockpit will then be introduced.
Have seen pictures with designations TVS-2MS (no hyphen) and TVS-2-DT (hyphen). Understand that new designation TVS-2 may have to do with Antonov not being involved.
Mr. Green correct on An-2 connection, but Ferry gave correct designation. Kevin correct on double posting, but different photo makes it look different aircraft (please say yes :mixed-smiley-027:)

Ferry, forum is yours!

[Ferry_vO]

Incredible how the An-2 is still, almost 70 years after its first flight, the best aircraft for the job!

Onwards with this ungainly twin:

[Green]

The Yak-200?

[Ferry_vO]

The Yak-200?

That was quick!:encouragement:

[huub vink]

Wout posted this one back on July 14, 2015.:biggrin-new:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?17-The-Ongoing-Mystery-Aircraft-Thread-Part-Deux&p=965840&viewfull=1#post965840

I'm sure this was just a memory test :biggrin-new: :biggrin-new: :biggrin-new:

Huub

[Moses03]

Walter - I have posted repeats several times after unearthing a rare photo from a different angle so no foul at all on the mutated AN-2.:adoration:

[Green]

Thanks Ferry.

A poor attempt at deception, but here goes...

[lefty]

Yes, those large, regular fields certainly ain't in dear old Blighty. Not too many straight lines in European landscapes.

It's the Foo Fighter !

[cthornburg]

Just for fun:mixed-smiley-010:
If that's the Foo Fighter than this must be his father. Although looks like he didn't get off the ground.

Chris

[Green]

Foo fighter is is lefty :very_drunk:
Over to you.

[lefty]

Thanks G. This one will be pounced upon fairly quickly, and I'm away for most of the day, so please proceed when you claim it !

[wout]

Hi Mike:encouragement:
I claim it. When can FedEx deliver?
Enjoy your day of.

[Baragouin]

Hi Mike:encouragement:
I claim it. When can FedEx deliver?
Enjoy your day of.

Hi Wout!
Just for the fun of it: is that the Albessard "Triavion" of 1926?
BG

[lefty]

Back again - BG - post a Tuscan Teaser whenever you like ! :very_drunk:

[Baragouin]

Back again - BG - post a Tuscan Teaser whenever you like ! :very_drunk:

Hi Lefty!
My offer is easy but exact name please
BG
http://i63.tinypic.com/dpcva8.jpg

[Green]

Ilyushin TsKB-55?

[Baragouin]

Ilyushin TsKB-55?

Yes Green that's the TsKB55 indeed (first prototype):applause:
Your turn please
BG

[Green]

Thanks BG.

[wout]

Hi Mr. Green:encouragement:
One of the few. Durand Mk.V`s that is. Negative stagger biplane homebuilt design from USA, late-1970s.

[Green]

Tis indeed. All yours Wout. :very_drunk:

[wout]

Thank you Mr. Green:encouragement:
Sorry for the delay, but try this nice white one.

[pomme homme]

That, I believe, is the Cusin Esperanza 4.

[wout]

Hi pomme homme:encouragement:
You can switch from the "I believe" to the "I am sure" mode! The Esperanze 4 it is.
However, should we call it the Cusin Esperanze or the Espérance Esperanze, after the designer, Canadian Michel l`Espérance.
Albeit no examples were built in the country of origin and F-PBSC remains unique.

You are cordially invited for the next challenge

[pomme homme]

Thank you, Walter. I have to confess that it was a rare thing for me - an easy identification. But that's only because F-PBSC is based just up the road from me at Thouars!

And here's the next challenge .....

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1688/24762402599_38a1e4a500_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DJaMzR)

[pomme homme]

An aeroplane which is light by name and light by nature!

[Dev One]

Hmmm...Doesn't show up with a simple google using 'legere' or 'lumiere', assuming it French of course PH!
Keith

[pomme homme]

But the designer is to be found not too far away from you, Keith. Down south, just off the D137!

[lefty]

I suspect this Gallic flivver is the Leger ULM Pataplume 2.

[Dev One]

But the designer is to be found not too far away from you, Keith. Down south, just off the D137!


Hmmm...About an hours drive to Jonzac. Thinks must try to find out how the self build is going at St Jean d'Angely that I saw a couple of years ago.
Keith

[pomme homme]

Your suspicion is not misplaced, lefty. This is indeed a Léger Pataplume 2. In fact, number two - 17-SG. So take it away, sir.

[lefty]

I hesitate to prolong this run of diddy one-offs but, for the moment, this one will have to do -

[Dev One]

There's a lot of similar ones on Google, but not that one so far!!!
Looks as if the fuselage tapers in very quickly aft of the seats....could cause flow break up & turbulence onto the prop.....
Keith

[lefty]

Not being an aerodynamicist, Keith, I can't comment - but it did fly ! Hirth motor. Western European. Can't believe this one has escaped Wout's clutches.....

[lefty]

Let's move on - it's the Wendell WPA 2.01, from Denmark, reg 9-230. Can anyone tell me about those numerical Danish registrations, please ?

Otherwise, Open House...

[Dev One]

I would never have got there in a month of Sundays, & Google is no help either on that manufacturer. Neither can I help on Danish registrations, so....

How long will this last?
Keith

[pomme homme]

It looks rather like the Arrow Active I. But generally I'm useless with head on and tail on views!

[Dev One]

PH you are correct ....its sister the Mk II is also the subject of my current WIP FS9 model, possibly even FSX native if I can get my head round the SDK!

Your turn Sir!
Keith

[pomme homme]

Thank you, Keith. Now here's something of a curve ball .....

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1613/25199900125_bd341e06b6_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EoQ5mD)

[wout]

Hi pomme homme :encouragement:
The CO-4 by Charles Ollivier. I think it is a Robin/Jodel Sicile Record (DR-1051M view the Potez 4E engine?) fitted with a tri-gear. No doubt F-PAJN has many other (detail) changes.

[pomme homme]

Precise in every detail, Walter. It's your turn again.

[wout]

Sorry for the somewhat unclear picture. Pusher prop, twin fins and single-seat

[wout]

From another angle, but still grainy.

[wout]

My mistake, Was not a single-seater but had s-b-s seating for 2.
First flown December 1956. Had 4 meters long driveshaft from engine (placed at CG) to tail prop.

[Dev One]

Not found it yet, but it looks as if its a 'powered glider' & looking at that prop it would not get off the ground with its own power.

Tiger Moth tow in the background?

Keith

[wout]

Hi Keith:encouragement:
Correct on the motorglider part and initially she had to be launched (maybe that was what Tiger Moth was for?) when a 12hp Lloyd engine was installed. First flight 12/1956. When they switched to a 30hp ILO (JLO?) she became self-launching (first flight September 1957).

[Dev One]

Hmmm...Towel job from me again as its not shown itself on Google.
Keith

[wout]

This one-of-a-kind twinfinner is the Raab Dohle. Developed by Mr. Fritz Raab (he also designed the small Krähe (Crow) sport aircraft/motorglider).
The Dohle (Jackdaw) was built from a Doppelraab glider and constructed with help of Pützer Flugzeugbau KG.
Registration was D-EGUB

OH please

[Moses03]

That was an obscure one Walter.

Here is one not so off the beaten path.
http://i.imgur.com/NU5koJP.jpg

[Moses03]

This was the prototype for an unsuccessful military trainer. It's slightly younger sibling has the same general look.

[lefty]

Rawdon R-1 ?

[Moses03]

Not the R-1 Mike. This one appeared four years earlier from an East coast company.

[Dev One]

Wild guess as cannot find a picture.....Curtiss Wright CW 23 prototype?
Keith

[Moses03]

Not a Curtiss-Wright Keith.

Here is a side view. This might jog the memory on the one that followed it. The wheel pants are a good clue...

http://i.imgur.com/52ouU4K.jpg

[Moses03]

Going to be out until late tomorrow so a couple of more clues. It had a Warner Scarab engine. Also note the long ailerons...

Please feel free to proceed if you track it down.

[normb]

Cunningham-Hall? Predecessor to G-36 (now in the Niagara Aerospace Museum)?

[Moses03]

It is indeed the earlier Cunningham-Hall, the GA-21M.:very_drunk:

You have the board normb.

[normb]

I yield to you. I don't have a good selection of obscure aircraft to put up. I do learn a lot from this thread! Always amazed at what varieties of birds have been built and flown.

Norm

[Moses03]

Understood Norm. Maybe we will get something from you in the near future.


Okay then, let's go open board. I'm off with the family to comb a few used book stores this afternoon.

[Dev One]

It is indeed the earlier Cunningham-Hall, the GA-21M.:very_drunk:



As usual I'd never have got there, I was vainly trying to match a Northrop.........with those spats!
Keith

[normb]

I don't have a mystery bird but I do have a question concerning the early Bell 47 / H-13 helicopters. They all have what looks like a painted semi-oval on the front of the bubble. Is it paint, presumably for attitude reference, or something else? Later versions don't seem to have it. Some closeup pictures seem to show two wires going from the pedestal to the oval strip.


Thanks

Norm

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35509&stc=1

[Moses03]

Speaking for myself, I'm not very well versed on helicopters. Maybe one of the regulars has an idea?



Pressing on, here is a rarely seen liaison plane...

http://i.imgur.com/rgcl994.jpg

[lefty]

Before BG wakes up, I'll dive in with a Caproni 311 ?

[Dev One]

I don't have a mystery bird but I do have a question concerning the early Bell 47 / H-13 helicopters. They all have what looks like a painted semi-oval on the front of the bubble. Is it paint, presumably for attitude reference, or something else? Later versions don't seem to have it. Some closeup pictures seem to show two wires going from the pedestal to the oval strip.


Thanks

Norm

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35509&stc=1


Looks like a reflection of the sun to me, if you are referring to the white starry oval above the back of the instrument panel.
Keith
edit if you referring to the 2 inch wide strip that is almost as wide as the bubble, it can be because a) they could not blow the canopy that big in the early days & had to insert another piece, or b) because they wanted easier access to the back of the instrument panel for maintenance.
K

[Baragouin]

Before BG wakes up, I'll dive in with a Caproni 311 ?
May I intrude and refer you to the following link

silverhawkauthor.com/aviation-italian-warplane-su
where you will find a better pic of the RAF captured Caproni
As usual I was late!
Cheers
BG

[Moses03]

I have seen this one referred to as both the Ca.310bis and the 311.

Either way, a pint for the Scotsman. :very_drunk:

[lefty]

How about this lovely creature ?

[Moses03]

Knock on metal!

That would be this fellow but with the added cockpit.

http://i.imgur.com/sXYvqKC.jpg

[lefty]

Indeed it is - looks a bit better in original form.......:very_drunk:

[Moses03]

Thanks Mike.

How about this medium haul airliner?

http://i.imgur.com/vvM4NSW.jpg

[srgalahad]

Lockheed Saturn prototype (NX90801 c/n 075-1001)

[Moses03]

A cold Molsons for the Canadian. :very_drunk:

(Wonder what is in the crate in the third photo...looks like whiskey?)

[srgalahad]

I does look like whiskey, but a bit less grain in the pic or the alcohol would help..

I don't think this has been around before but...

[cthornburg]

Spijker V.1

Chris

[Moses03]

Feel free to press on Chris. Look like you are correct on the V.1 biplane. Rob must have tracked down that whiskey...

[cthornburg]

Must have been a big bottle. Just trying to give a chance to reply.

Here's a floater.

Chris

[srgalahad]

Spijker V.1

Chris

Congratulations Chris! :ernaehrung004:
Actually, it was an annoying Dr.'s appointment that got in the way... and a diversion to the resurrected company's website where I got lost in dreamland

http://spykercars.com/heritage

“Nulla Tenaci invia est via”

[cthornburg]

OK I have to go on a short trip in 24hrs so lets get it figured out.
It's European.

Chris

[Moses03]

It's European.



Figured as much. Thought it looked German...

[lefty]

Have worked my way through the whole gamut and reckon maybe something obscurely Scandinavian.
Similar to a couple of Sopwiths and Hanriots but....

[cthornburg]

Lefty your getting warm

Chris

[cthornburg]

Look at it without floats maybe that will help

Chris

[cthornburg]

Since no new guess's

Thulin N

Chris

Open House

[lefty]

Nice one Chris. Not enough info in my books on those sneaky Swedes !

Amazingly, that machine appears to still exist to this day - http://www.planesandchoppers.com/picture/number8490.asp

[Moses03]

Here is a not-so-difficult trimotor to move us along.

http://i.imgur.com/CRiC3kW.jpg

[lefty]

Ahh, it's yet another corrugated conveyance for those hard-pressed Police Colonial, this time the Potez 40.

[Moses03]

Spot on Mike.:very_drunk:

Over to the lowlands-

[lefty]

Time for a grainy floater -

[Moses03]

Photo taken along the shores of the North Sea?

[lefty]

Er, possibly......but possibly not !

[Moses03]

Gosh, where is everyone?

Not getting a vibe at all on this one.

[lefty]

It's another Scandinavian special......

[cthornburg]

Orlogsvoerftet H.B.I

Chris

[lefty]

Chris, you're obviously a keen follower of the Scandinavian scene - I wonder if you can pronounce Orlogsværftet Flyvemaskineværksted - I can't ! A cold Tuborg to you :icon29:

[lefty]

Have been trying to add a pic but the Edit function ain't working for me.......

By the way, Kevin, the reason I prevaricated on North Sea is that it was probably the Baltic or even the Kattegat !

[cthornburg]

Was going to use another floater but will try this one.

Chris

[cthornburg]

North American

[cthornburg]

by a company with infamous failed airliner also.

[Moses03]

That did it. It's the Lawson MT-2.

[cthornburg]

Right On over to you

[Moses03]

As Monty Python used to say, "and now for something completely different"...

http://i.imgur.com/PRt59hk.jpg

[cthornburg]

Mitsubishi 2MR8 Hato / Type 92 Reconnaissance mod to civil.
J-AARA?

Chris

[Moses03]

That's it Chris. Over to you again.:very_drunk:

[cthornburg]

Try a tri engine

Chris

[Baragouin]

Try a tri engine

Chris
Hi Chris
Your mystery should be Avimeta 132 of 1927....
Cheers
BG

[cthornburg]

I figured it wouldn't last long.

Over to you BG

Chris

[Baragouin]

Thanks Chtornburg!
Sorry for the delay boys and girls and here's my today's mysterious liner!
Cheers
BG
http://i65.tinypic.com/ad18i9.jpg

[lefty]

That, BG, is a California girl - the Solar MS-1.

[Baragouin]

That, BG, is a California girl - the Solar MS-1.
Quite correct and quick Lefty!
your turn please
BG

[lefty]

It's those fuselage claddings - remind me of when I played washboard in a skiffle band.......(would explain to you younger whippersnappers, but it would take too long....)

Here's a neat little sporty number -

[Moses03]

Rather large ailerons on this European runabout...

[lefty]

mmm, European, eh ? Methinks Moses knows.....

[Moses03]

Nah, that was a guess based on the look of the photo. It does look like a couple of Austrian numbers but not having much luck really.

[Dev One]

I was thinking Comper, but its not quite right.
Keith

[lefty]

This one is French.

[wout]

Hi Mike :encouragement:
I wild guess, The Cabanes-Saissac CS-01 (F-WFUO) ?

[lefty]

Walter, wild guesses occasionally hit the mark. This one did !:applause:

Over to you - :very_drunk:

[wout]

Thank you Mike:encouragement:. The ailerons gave it away (for me)

For this challenge I can accept two names/models.
Sorry the picture does not show the entire aircraft. The second one is a sistership.

[wout]

The third V-tail example is now in a museum.

Baragouin: have sent you PM on the Cabanes-Saissac CS-01-3

[Baragouin]

The third V-tail example is now in a museum.

Baragouin: have sent you PM on the Cabanes-Saissac CS-01-3

Thanks very much Wout all PM's went through beautifully
Cheers
BG

[wout]

The V-tails are two examples of the Ballentine TJ (c/n 022 and 023) which are in fact (modernized) replicas of the Allied A-2 of 1948.
The original A-2 (NX3153K) first flew 9 April 1948 with a 145hp Continental C145 engine. A factory fire caused the loss of 2 further prototypes and the project was then abandoned.
In tghe early-1970s, NX3153K was acquired by Thomas J. Ballentine and since the FAA did not allow operation in original form, the aircraft received new wings, new tail, 210hp Continental IO-360 etc. and became N312TJ in the experimental (51% homebuilt) category. After a long rebuilding period, the aircraft flew again in 1987 and was later donated to the Kansas Aviation Museum a couple of years ago and got its original NX3153K registration back.
Mr. Ballentine built 2 further examples, N312TJ (second use) c/n 023 and N504WM c/n 022, both described as Allied TJ in the FAA register and both having the Continental
IO-0360 engine.

[wout]

.......and of course, OH please

[Dev One]

I would never have found that.....not via wikipedia anyway.
Here goes then:
Keith

[Moses03]

Is it me, or are the mysteries getting tougher of late?:devilish:

That said, I have seen Keith's Uncle Sam runabout before. Now if I can jog the memory.

[Dev One]

........where the wind comes driving down the plains.........
Keith

[Dev One]

........where the wind comes driving down the plains.........
Keith

Put it to music - it's meant to be a clue.
Keith

[lefty]

I think that's enough of the Howard Keels, Keith !:dizzy: (woops, sorry, it was Gordon Macrae....)

It's the Okay SK-1.

[Dev One]

Mike, OK, OK, OK! (la, ho, ma.) :very_drunk:
Over to you.
Keith

[lefty]

After that mid-Western frolic, here's a nice floater - which I don't think you'd find in the Panhandle......

[Moses03]

Red herring Mike?

Methinks a LeO H.13 in Polish guise.

[lefty]

The glass is raised, the hand is on the tap, but the beer ain't getting poured until you get the designation spot-on !

[Moses03]

Okay, how about a H.13E? (This is when we find out it's the B3!).

[lefty]

I don't know - standards are slipping in this forum :mixed-smiley-010:. It's the H-135. (Check it out on Aviafrance -7 exemplaires construits pour la Pologne)

Anyway, here's the beer - :icon29: Over to Texas !

[cthornburg]

I have Poland having H-13b and H-135B3 the pix looks more like H-13b the H-135B3 has a raised front turret compared to the H-13b at least in the sources I found.

Chris

[Moses03]

Better hurry up and post before I get my turn revoked! I did the best I could sneaking some looks from work today to track it down.

For the floater experts...
http://i.imgur.com/UkHRjlg.jpg

[lefty]

Before checking Moses' grainy monster - let me just reassure Chris -the H-135 pic came from the LeO 'bible' by Hartmann - (photo from the Arnaud Delmas collection.)

Both that book and the equally authoritative Les Aeronefs de l'Aviation Maritime state that only one H13bis was produced, and here she is - I rest my case !

[lefty]

Nothing turned up on the Moses machine. Suspect Russian ?

[Moses03]

You would think Russian with the grainy photo but this one is from the East Coast USA. A one-off from a one-off company.

[Moses03]

Cox-Klemin might have been involved in the design after they went bankrupt in 1925. The floater showed up a few years later in the late 1920's.

[Moses03]

Powered by a Curtiss C-6 engine from 1928 in New York state. Was used for sightseeing. There is an Aerofiles entry for it, but no photo.

[lefty]

I think Kevin has given us enough clues - a bit of detective work will reveal the Richmond Sea Hawk from 1928 - a wee bit early for Errol Flynn.....

[Moses03]

There it is. :icon29: Over to Lefty then.

[lefty]

Thank you sir - new floaters always welcome. This, however, isn't a water baby. But it has enough unusual features to distinguish it from your run-of-the-mill flivver.....

[wout]

Hi Mike:encouragement:
Although not a floater, the Garrison OM-1 Melmoth (N2MU) was capable of long (overwater) flights such as Cold Bay, Alaska to Saporo, Japan.
The OM-1 was lost in July 1982 wen a Cessna lightplane went out of control during landing and hit her.

[lefty]

Indeed, Walter, she really got around - that photo was taken in Biarritz ! :very_drunk:

[wout]

Thank you Mike:encouragement:
This is a real floater. One-off and builder was 82 by the time he first flew her.

[wout]

She is from the USA and first flew in 2009. The engine is Aussie. Does that help?

[wout]

The floater is the Sea-Era by Paul H. Weston. 85hp Jabiru 2200 engine abd registration N226SE

Open House please :jump:

[lefty]

Sorry, Walter - too new for me ! Here's one that's a bit older -

[pomme homme]

If that isn't the 1940 Hennion biplace (again?) then it's borrowed the tail feathers of that avion!

[Moses03]

I think you are on the right trail Mike. Maybe a pants-less version?

[pomme homme]

I'm assuming, Kevin, that it is the post-war Hennion, maybe after being re-engined with a Continental A65 and designated the Hennion II, which survived in North Africa until it was destroyed in, I think, a crash in 1962.

..... but on reflection, lefty's image appears to show the inverted Train engine still in place, so if it is the Hennion it must be the Hennion I and pre-1956.

[lefty]

Mike is, as ever, on the ball here - it is the Hennion 02 - F-PFOY, photographed in, I think, 1957, when it still had the Train engine - this was replaced by the Continental in '59.
She came to grief, as Mike stated, in a bean field on the outskirts of Meknes, having suffered engine failure on the descent.
Courtesy of 'Trait d'Union', May 1979.

Over to France :very_drunk:

[pomme homme]

Thank you, Mike. I do have something curious, but it will require a little explanation. Thus please forgive me if I don't attend to that until the morning.

[pomme homme]

I'll be honest. This aircraft is an ongoing mystery to me - because I don't know what it is! So if people think this inappropriate, please slap me down and move on. But if not, one of you experts out there might be able to identify it. All I know about it is that it appeared in an aviation periodical of December 1931; that it was described as an experimental light single seater built entirely on sailplane lines; and that there's a reasonable probability that it was British. The closest comparator I could find was the Camsell Monoplane, but it's not that as it didn't emerge until 1937 and differed in its engine and cabane strut arrangements.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1508/26133473435_183e9254d2_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FPjTbc)

[pomme homme]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1508/26133473435_91f185496b_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FPjTbc)

Maybe this is somewhat more legible.

[lefty]

Can't dig up anything on this one, Mike. Perhaps it isn't British ?

[pomme homme]

Perhaps it isn't British ?

That's certainly a possibility. I made the assumption because the photograph appears in an early issue of a British aviation periodical, The Sailplane & Glider. If by the end of the day it is still stumping everyone, I'll put this one back in the 'unknown' drawer and declare open house.

[Moses03]

No luck on my end although I didn't stray much past the Brit page.

[pomme homme]

I'm most grateful to Richard B, from whom I've received a PM informing me that this parasol monoplane is, in fact, German - which, on reflection, seems entirely logical for an aeroplane constructed, in 1930, 'entirely on sailplane lines'. It is the RRG Hummel designed by Fritz Stamer of Rhôn-Rossiten Gmbh. It first flew in 1930 and was powered by a 18 hp DKW engine. Thank you, Richard. And if you're reading this and would care to offer the next challenge, I'll be grateful to you. But if not, then it's open house.

[Moses03]

Yes, thanks Richard for the ID. Quite an obscure one!

I have invited him in the past to join us but he seems to keep busy over at the Aerodrome forums. :very_drunk: Never too late to sidle up to the trough...

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=51

[dan_pub]

Parasol monoplane, eh? I was seeing a tandem-wing + sesqui (2.5-plane?) and investigating in that direction. No wonder...
Now that you said it, though, it's indeed there.

By the way, it is Rhön-Rossitten Gesellschaft (with ö Umlaut not ô Circonflexe like in Froggish), after the Rhön area of Hesse.
RRG was the 1st sailplane league officially recognized. Some background at https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh%C3%...n-Gesellschaft (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh%C3%B6n-Rossitten-Gesellschaft)

[pomme homme]

Sorry. Immediately prior to posting I was corresponding with Richard in French and clearly my brain didn't switch into German quickly enough! It looks as if an open house situation prevails.

Apfelmann

[Moses03]

Postwar jet fighter and in color too!

http://i.imgur.com/VVINhxN.jpg

[lefty]

Only a day early........:a1310:

[dan_pub]

It is obviously a variant in the Mikoyan-Gurevich Ye-8 family, one close to the F-107's solution.
I cannot find its name though, or any trace of it.

I'll be very interested in a version of the original un-doctored photo when this mystery is solved.

Aaaargh! just saw lefty's post. Moses, you wouldn't dare, would you?

[Moses03]

Moses, you wouldn't dare, would you?

I did. :a1310: The Russian-ish jet is a rabbit hole.

For those of you who know me, I have worked in some "questionable" aircraft around April 1st for a few years now. And yes it was a little early as I didn't want to get stuck trying to decipher a grainy Balkan 40hp parasol for the next few days. :biggrin-new:

This was the one I almost posted. Again, fictional.

http://i.imgur.com/3h486A2.jpg

Open board of course!

[wout]

This twin tail boomer has really flown.

[dan_pub]

Hmmm. This beauty could be modeled on the runway by Ms Bela...

[wout]

She is European and was initially completed without the tail booms.

[lefty]

She is European and was initially completed without the tail booms.

Yes, they do look a bit of an afterthought !

Oh dear - that nice German flying wing site has disappeared.....shame.

[wout]

The designer has more flying types to his name. The registration on this one was also used for an earlier (jet) aircraft.
An earlier design was named the xxxxxx and this one is the xxxxxx II
This info must be of tremendous help :jump:

[dan_pub]

Come on guys!

here is version I, Bela too:


Edit: Please no images of that type. Thanks, Moses

[wout]

Is Bela Polish? The twin boomer is.
The Malgosia II/IIA (SP-YEM) by Edward Margański. The earlier Malgosia (SP-0053) was not related and a conventional low wing trigeared motorglider.

SP-YEM was earlier seen on the ZRiPSL/Magański EM-10 Bielik light jet/trainer. Another recent design is the EM-11 Orka twin pusher.

Open House, please

[dan_pub]

Yes, Ms Malgosia Bela is Polish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%C5%82gosia_Bela

Sorry I did not want to answer because I am unable to post the next challenge, being away.

[Moses03]

A big ungainly water ship. Easy or not?

http://i.imgur.com/8q8VUDF.jpg

[lefty]

Back in my territory - in more ways than one. This aquatic lady is the Hall XP2H-1.

Very French-looking - also one of my books claims it was 'probably the largest single-bay biplane ever built'. Hmmm..........

(intrigued by what appears to be a bit of jousting armour in the bottom right ??)

[Moses03]

Spot on Mike. :very_drunk: I too thought the photo angle had a French feel for the red herring.:biggrin-new: I think the jousting armour is an interior photo of the hull?

Over to the lowlands-

[lefty]

Here's a candidate for the Ugly Bug Ball - there is some debate about just how much it flew if at all, but I'm sure somebody will pounce on this fairly quickly !

[Moses03]

One of those mid-fuselage engine experiments, the Galvin HC of 1913.:france:

[lefty]

Indeed it was - the whole contraption eerily reminiscent of 'Little Boy', with probably the same flying characteristics ! Over to Texas :very_drunk:

[Moses03]

Here is an easy twin to consider.

http://i.imgur.com/rzoyJmr.jpg

[pomme homme]

The very elegant Italian Siai Marchetti SM 102.

[Moses03]

Right on Mike.:very_drunk:

Have at it-

[pomme homme]

..... and here's a similarly easy twin to consider.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1642/26225898986_dc127ebdef_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FXuA5b)

[Baragouin]

..... and here's a similarly easy twin to consider.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1642/26225898986_dc127ebdef_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FXuA5b)
I think this one appeared some time ago...anyway it is a Hirsch MAeRC H100....
Cheers
BG

[pomme homme]

Well, blow me down! That's it. Over to Italy.

[Baragouin]

Well, blow me down! That's it. Over to Italy.
Thanks pomme-homme (or Apfelmann)!

What about a british girl?
Cheers
BG
http://i67.tinypic.com/n48tg3.jpg

[lefty]

Can't think why BG's poor old Avro Aldershot has been sitting there for so long - he gave us enough clues ! An attack of group modesty, methinks.....

[Baragouin]

Can't think why BG's poor old Avro Aldershot has been sitting there for so long - he gave us enough clues ! An attack of group modesty, methinks.....

Yes Lefty that was also my thinking! Obviously she's the Avro Aldershot....nest one please...
Cheers
BG

[lefty]

Thanks BG - let's see if anyone is awake out there - this one has been posted before (BG got it last time....) but this is a different view -

[Moses03]

I am awake wondering why Mr. Bastet was trying to save money with using just one wheel on his RB-1.

[lefty]

Because, in his own Gallic way, he wanted to create a machine which would never be forgotten ! And didn't he do just that ?? !! :very_drunk:

[Moses03]

Maybe this is one that will never be forgotten?

http://i.imgur.com/Z5IXuiR.jpg

[Moses03]

Flown in 1941 but then the war came along and it was parked in a hangar.

[pomme homme]

Maybe this is one that will never be forgotten?

It appears that, at present, it isn't being remembered, let alone forgotten!

[Moses03]

It appears that, at present, it isn't being remembered, let alone forgotten!

LOL.

This was a one-off of course. Designed and built on the West Coast USA. It logged about 200 hours of testing before fading into obscurity. One source lists two Franklin engines but the entry at Aerofiles says otherwise.

[lefty]

Your friendly neighbourhood detective has worked out that this machine, otherwise anonymous, was built by a Mr A Johnson. It appears not to have had a name or designation so, there we are !

I cannot understand how counter-rotating props would work like this - in fact never really understood how they work at all, but then aerodynamics is a dark art.......

[Moses03]

A double for Lefty on the Johnson Tandem.:very_drunk::very_drunk:

It seems like there would be a lot of prop turbulence in-between the two engines. A novel design anyways!

[lefty]

Here's something more conventional -

[lefty]

No biters ? This one is European - a variant of a well-known model built for a prestigious race.

[lefty]

One more clue - 9-cyl Lorraine motor. Will reveal later today unless someone awakes !

[Baragouin]

One more clue - 9-cyl Lorraine motor. Will reveal later today unless someone awakes !

Thanks for the clues Lefty...
The frame looks very much Dewoitinish....maybe a modified D26?
Cheers
BG

[lefty]

I'll let this one go to BG - it is actually the D.274, a Dewoitine D.27 modified for the Coupe Michelin (a sort of aerial Tour de France) in 1931. Over to sunny Tuscany :very_drunk:.

[Baragouin]

I'll let this one go to BG - it is actually the D.274, a Dewoitine D.27 modified for the Coupe Michelin (a sort of aerial Tour de France) in 1931. Over to sunny Tuscany :very_drunk:.

Thanks Lefty generous of you!
and here's my picture of a very peculiar fighter...what is his exact denomination?
(sunny Tuscany indeed: for the incoming week we are expecting a high of close to 30°)
Cheers
BG
http://i63.tinypic.com/11ips09.png

[Moses03]

Congrats to our own "Dev One", aka Keith for the nice interview over at Flightsim.

http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?16528-Interview-With-Keith-Paine

:encouragement:
(http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?16528-Interview-With-Keith-Paine)

[dan_pub]

I have it on my disk as Focke Wulf FW-190 C (V-18) Känguruh.
Prototype for high-altitude (http://192.168.1.59:81/E%3A/Images/WW2/Focke%20Wulf%20FW-190%20C%20(V-18)%20K%C3%A4nguruh%20high-altitude.jpg) variant.

[lefty]

I shall always remain in awe of people who have the talent and application to produce such fine work. Well done Keith ! :applause:

[Dev One]

I shall always remain in awe of people who have the talent and application to produce such fine work. Well done Keith ! :applause:

Congrats to our own "Dev One", aka Keith for the nice interview over at Flightsim.

http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?16528-Interview-With-Keith-Paine

Thank you gents, you make me blush...

Keith[/INDENT]