Next Local Legends? Guess something?

[YoYo]

Do You know what will be as the next plane for Local Legend?
The next will be very soon - 17th of May but its TBA still, the next in the mid od Jun but you can notice TBA also. Maybe An-2 finally? However the next World Update will be Italy/Malta so I expect something from Italy.

https://i.imgur.com/mdxgRnX.jpg

[Tom Clayton]

I highly doubt it will be the AN-2, but I could be wrong. The developers have stated more than once they they've been unable to reach the Antonov team in Ukraine regarding licensing, and they're not trying right now because the Ukrainians have more important things to deal with. There has also been talk of the Mriya, but I don't know how they'd release that if it could require the same licensing.

[Paul K]

The next local legend: the Savoia-Marchetti S.55 (three variants of it, apparently).

https://i.imgur.com/E4aDadG.jpg

[YoYo]

Right! Thx Paul! I found this info:

https://msfsaddons.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/MSFS-Marchetti-s-557.jpg

https://game-news24.com/2022/04/27/microsoft-flight-simulator-will-buy-support-for-nvidia-dlss-and-amd-fsr-in-july/ .
I hope this time they will do pilots from this period, not in basketball cap.

https://fseimg.imgix.net/2022/04/local-legend-4-msfs-3.jpg

https://fseimg.imgix.net/2022/04/local-legend-4-msfs-2.jpg

Its done by author of L-39 for FSX http://www.lotussim.com/about.html .

[YoYo]

http://youtu.be/3OKnL7glanM

[heywooood]

https://i.imgur.com/WI130YN.jpg

I like a Ferrari...

[ryanbatc]

Mike from Lotussim is doing this one. I'll get it just know that he does nice work.

[Javis]

What the hell, why not, éh ??!...

Another float plane to show off the most cheesy water spray effect ever in a video game.

For all i could hear in the video clip nothing about that from Mike Johnson...

Better drop the 'Lotus' nickname, Mike, something so neglectfull and sloppy would've never happend at the Lotus factory.

https://i.ibb.co/sQ6JPVg/JimC.jpg

[Javis]

Mike from Lotussim is doing this one. I'll get it just know that he does nice work.

IMHO, understatement of the week, Ryan..

'nice work' ?... In my flightsim book his FSX L-39 was nothing short of a revelation ! I guess you did not buy it.. ;-)

[Javis]

Btw, he did not do the MSFS Reno L-39 edition, did he ?...

[DennyA]

Talented developer and I love that they're doing obscure planes. And I guess WW2 is off the table since Italy was mostly on the bad side. But I'll likely fly this about as much as I do the Dornier seaplane... (But, yeah, I will definitely buy it, because even if it's not a daily flier, I love me some between-the-wars aviation history.)

I hope for future planes they consider some of the real workhorses of the early aviation era:
Airspeed Oxford
Douglas DC-2
Lockheed Electra
Tugan Gannet
ASJA Viking II


The SM.83 would have been something I'd have flown more than the seaplane, but I'll be the first to admit we've had enough trimotors for a while. :)

[SeanTK]

One of the upcoming local legends (but not the next one) will be the An-2 as Asobo stated a week or two ago that Antonov resumed contact with them and now they are finalizing the project.


I highly doubt it will be the AN-2, but I could be wrong. The developers have stated more than once they they've been unable to reach the Antonov team in Ukraine regarding licensing, and they're not trying right now because the Ukrainians have more important things to deal with. There has also been talk of the Mriya, but I don't know how they'd release that if it could require the same licensing.

[YoYo]

Looks like they did modern pilots again, so you will see guy in baseball cap. The result is that this plane is not really for me, this detail is very important to me. Pity. :indecisiveness:

https://i.imgur.com/U5wIhS9.jpg

[Javis]

Exactly. Pity indeed ! They throw a bone at us but there ain't no meat on it. Who would've thought that.. :dispirited:


These two cartoon characters there in the cockpit.. Ridiculous!


Who are they ?.. .. Prince and his brother ?.. . Sure, they loved to fly Italian double-hulled flying boats from the 1920's. How could we forget ??!..

What a waste of the extraordinairy talent of Mr. Johnson. Would be interesting to know what he thinks about the non existing waterspray effects and these two clowns in the cockpit...

It's like a nasty scratch on your brand new Maserati. All you can see is the scratch.. Sleep well..:sleeping:

[Priller]

Personally I doubt that the chosen subject is commercially viable.

Just my 2 € cents worth.

Priller

[dvj]

Nice job on the prop disks as seen in the preview video. I'm sold. Keep your PMDG 737... LOLWake effects in MSFS are awful. Not sure what the plan is or was there, but Asobo has been messing around with water textures since the launch and they seem to be getting worse.

[Bomber_12th]

I would love if they were to find a way to make the Boeing Model 100, P-12B/D, and F4B-1/2 types a "local legend" at some point, and modeled by someone who has a real affection for them too. Those particular aircraft are going to be a big deal this year and next, with several getting very close to flying here in the US. One of the most enthralling aircraft to fly, and it is easily one of the best looking aircraft of its era.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52058622142_a99b6c089f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2njf3EJ)

https://thejivebombers.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/webp-net-resizeimage-92.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52058622157_f7c9110742_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2njf3EZ)


If they are going to keep on the seaplane kick, it would be nice to see some of the Schneider Cup racers as well.

[YoYo]

If we talk about wishes Id like to see Boeing Monomail too in MSFS:

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Boeing-Monomail/IMAGES/Boeing-Monomail-Title.jpg
http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/AE/AE07-2/70-1.jpg

It was quite nice model for FSX of this plane.

https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/attachment.php?attachmentid=7536&d=1209883668

[YoYo]

Btw. Today (on Netflix) I noticed Japan anime movie Porco Rosso https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104652/ . S.55 is here :biggrin-new: :

https://i.imgur.com/mxX9pEJ.jpg

It was good movie for lazy Sunday between popcorn and cola ;).

[dvj]

A Boeing clipper would be my choice along the thread of seaplanes. It would be a complicated build to include all of the interior detail. Someone made one for FSX me recalls, but it was pricy.

[YoYo]

A Boeing clipper would be my choice along the thread of seaplanes. It would be a complicated build to include all of the interior detail. Someone made one for FSX me recalls, but it was pricy.

It will be:

https://msfsaddons.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Boeing-314-Clipper-MSFS-2-1170x658.jpg

[Javis]

Why do you guys keep wishing for floatplanes ?? Just makes MS/Asobo think they are doing fine when it comes to float planes while they certainly are not !

All the beauty and magnificence of MSFS dissappears when you dare to look at a float plane taking off or land on water. Turns it into a silly childs game at best.

To me it would be the same if MSFS aircraft models didn't have turning wheels. No turning wheels ? Oh well, who cares...

Don't buy MSFS float planes until they fix the shameful waterspray effects (which in fact are not even there.. just a cheesy wake effect)

Ok, i'll get off my wet soapbox now and if i'm the only one that truly hates the total lack of dedicated floatplane water effects so be it.

If you need a reminder of what floatplane water effects are all about check this out :


https://youtu.be/En0JX4HmSuo?t=1957

(Ok, just an average nice looking take-off/landing waterspray effect will be fine too ;-)

[Javis]

I would love if they were to find a way to make the Boeing Model 100, P-12B/D, and F4B-1/2 types a "local legend" at some point, and modeled by someone who has a real affection for them too. Those particular aircraft are going to be a big deal this year and next, with several getting very close to flying here in the US. One of the most enthralling aircraft to fly, and it is easily one of the best looking aircraft of its era.


+1 ! :encouragement:

[heywooood]

@Javis - MSFS is like a novel we bought that the author is still writing. This is good for only one reason - no one can skip to the last page and see how it ends.

@Bomber12th - YES - the early Boeing biplanes (especially the F4B) are historically significant having established regular carrier aircraft wing and squadron operations,
the P12 doing as much for the early AAC.

Coming up on the Centennial for both aircraft (first flown June and August 1928 respectively) with the F4B's being carrier operational in 1934 on both Enterprise and Lexington

[Javis]

@Javis - MSFS is like a novel we bought that the author is still writing. This is good for only one reason - no one can skip to the last page and see how it ends.


Certainly, if you want to look at it that way. And it's going reasonably well despite the continuous additions, errata and addenda (sometimes it's hard to keep up with the story because of this. F.i. when exactly did Jack marry Jill.. ? ). It has become clear however, already in the second chapter of the novel, that the author seems to have lost the connection between certain aspects of the story and is clearly trying to get away with that. Shove it under the rug so to speak.

We, as his faithful fans and followers, cannot let that happen and desperately need to keep confronting the author about this important discrepancy otherwise the novel may end up as a cheap Doctor's Novel available for 50 cents at a card table on 6th Avenue.

I mean, who'd want that !?

:playful:

[bazzar]

I'm pretty sure that the devs are on it. It is a major feature which needs fixing. I really don't think they are ignoring it but remember, water and associated effects is a dramatically complex and difficult thing to simulate. Fine of you're a developer of ship/submarine games but this one is all encompassing, therefor much harder.:engel016:

[YoYo]

I'm pretty sure that the devs are on it. It is a major feature which needs fixing. I really don't think they are ignoring it but remember, water and associated effects is a dramatically complex and difficult thing to simulate. Fine of you're a developer of ship/submarine games but this one is all encompassing, therefor much harder.:engel016:

btw. I hope that in Your DC-3/C-47 we will have your's pilots (even the ones from P3D are very cool) not default from MSFS. :wavey:

[dvj]

It will be:https://msfsaddons.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Boeing-314-Clipper-MSFS-2-1170x658.jpg$100 bongo bucks for that? No way. More expensive than I thought.

[dvj]

Why do you guys keep wishing for floatplanes ?? Just makes MS/Asobo think they are doing fine when it comes to float planes while they certainly are not !All the beauty and magnificence of MSFS dissappears when you dare to look at a float plane taking off or land on water. Turns it into a silly childs game at best.To me it would be the same if MSFS aircraft models didn't have turning wheels. No turning wheels ? Oh well, who cares...Don't buy MSFS float planes until they fix the shameful waterspray effects (which in fact are not even there.. just a cheesy wake effect)Ok, i'll get off my wet soapbox now and if i'm the only one that truly hates the total lack of dedicated floatplane water effects so be it. If you need a reminder of what floatplane water effects are all about check this out :
https://youtu.be/En0JX4HmSuo?t=1957(Ok, just an average nice looking take-off/landing waterspray effect will be fine too ;-)Well floatplanes are nostaligic and romantic. Dreams of a different time, and distant lands. If Asobo can figure out the water effects at some point, they will be quite fun.

[Javis]

I'm pretty sure that the devs are on it. It is a major feature which needs fixing. I really don't think they are ignoring it but remember, water and associated effects is a dramatically complex and difficult thing to simulate. Fine of you're a developer of ship/submarine games but this one is all encompassing, therefor much harder.:engel016:

Well, i hope you're right, Bazz. With all these visual shortcomings (no instant replay, no instant fly-by, no propliner start-up smoke, no floatplane waterspray effects, no vintage pilot figures inside vintage aeroplanes, etc.) i am really starting to loose interest in MSFS. These are all ingredients that normally come with a flight simulator, you don't have to wait for that ! It's like Irish Coffee without whiskey, Waldorf Salad without walnuts, Dame Blance without hot chocolate sauce (we're all out of whiskey, walnuts and hot chocolate sauce, sorry!). You get my drift.

Besides, if you can do jet exhaust shimmering heath effects, you can do smoke and waterspray effects. C'mon now ! These Asobo guys just don't give a hoot for it, that's my feeling. "We've giving you The World, that should do it, stop whining".

Just make sure you'll leave the XC-47C for later, Barry.. :)

[Javis]

Well floatplanes are nostaligic and romantic. Dreams of a different time, and distant lands.

Exactly ! That's why leaving the most identifyable character of a floatplane, i.e. its very significant reaction to the surface of water upon take-off and landing, out of the process is nothing short of disastrous (no to say a disgrace..). It's like ripping out the soul of a floatplane.

If only i was on the Asobo board... sigh...: " No ! No floatplanes yet ! You'll first get those waterspray and wake effects in order ! " ( along with heavy tapping of index finger on the boardtable.. ) :173go1:

Btw, just to clarify, i'm just getting so upset about all this because otherwise MSFS, certainly in the visual department, is the pinnacle of flight simulation, something we didn't even dare dreaming of a few years ago. And i can't thank MS/Asobo enough for that. Just makes all the omissions in the visual department stand out like a sour thumb. They do belong here so very much but sofar we're just not getting them ! :dejection:

( i bought MSFS in August 2020, soon that's 2 years ago... something like 'Fly-By View' camera is even in the "not started" stage in the MSFS roadmap. Searching for 'waterspray effect' and/or 'wake effect' will probabely return zero, zilch. I stopped looking.. )

[BananaBob]

Well floatplanes are nostaligic and romantic. Dreams of a different time, and distant lands. If Asobo can figure out the water effects at some point, they will be quite fun.

Agreed, water effects are pathetic right now, for helicopters too, IMO.

[bazzar]

The problem is that people forget simulator life before 2020. When it came out, the level of wonder and excitement was palpable. The level of detail in the stock aircraft was lauded and new payware went under the microscope for levels of detail to match. Now, absurd levels of detail are expected as the norm and for a price that even 10 years ago was laughable.

Two years is nothing in the development timeline for something as complex as MSFS. Everyone involved with this game, including third party developers, have massive learning curves to climb. Patience will be rewarded. The question is do people have any these days?:engel016:

[K5083]

Ah, another call to flight simulator consumers to pay premium prices for an unfinished game (https://sjsunews.com/article/releasing-unfinished-games-an-ugly-fad). And like it and ask for more. And blame any dissatisfaction with the product on its consumers.

It's a good thing we are not normal consumers but have the "patience" to beta test a game for years after buying it. I know of no other game audience that has this much "patience" (gullibility). They have trained us well.

We should try training them for a change. I feel like flight sim devs need to experience more of a Cyberpunk 2077 backlash to feel the proper embarrassment for not having fixed Day 1 bugs after 2 years.

August

[bazzar]

Not sure where you got all that from but whatever.:engel016:

[Paul K]

I love MSFS. It is far and away the most enjoyable non-combat flight sim I've ever owned, and I've done more in the last five months in MSFS than I did with P3D and X-Plane put together over three years. Asobo has yet to get everything right, of course, but development is ongoing and they are aware of flaws, shortcomings and the general desires of the flight sim community. Huge thanks to Asobo, and long may it continue.

[Tom Clayton]

Ah, another call to flight simulator consumers to pay premium prices for an unfinished game (https://sjsunews.com/article/releasing-unfinished-games-an-ugly-fad). And like it and ask for more. And blame any dissatisfaction with the product on its consumers.

It's a good thing we are not normal consumers but have the "patience" to beta test a game for years after buying it. I know of no other game audience that has this much "patience" (gullibility). They have trained us well.

We should try training them for a change. I feel like flight sim devs need to experience more of a Cyberpunk 2077 backlash to feel the proper embarrassment for not having fixed Day 1 bugs after 2 years.

August

:kilroy:


Not sure where you got all that from but whatever.:engel016:
I'm not sure either. The dev's have stated that development will continue well into the next few years. Would you have rather waited until 2030? You'd probably end up saying that the final release was behind the times at that point.

[K5083]

All I know is that development is supposed to come before release. And be finished before release. As stated in the article I linked to, it has become an increasing trend in games for publishers to rush to make their release date with an unfinished or buggy game. But, they then take heat for it, heads roll, they cower and apologize and hurry to fix the game, or else the game dies a well deserved death.

It's only in flight simming where the publisher serves me a half cooked meal, let's me smell it and nibble it, then takes it back to the kitchen repeatedly to finish cooking it to something closer to the meal I ordered, meanwhile selling me more half-cooked side dishes rather than finishing the main one, and this is somehow acceptable. Now, I understand that we are a niche audience with not many options, which gives publishers the power to treat us like this. Fine, I'll live with that if I have to. But the implication that it's somehow the user's fault for expecting a finished product, that we just don't understand that the "development cycle" continues after release -- no, I'm calling BS on that. I have seen enough in gaming outside of flight sims to know greed and excuses when I see them. That's where I "get it from," by the way -- gaming experience outside the flight sim bubble. And MSFS is not that special of a piece of software that it deserves to break the rule of develop, then publish.

August

[Pere]

well, no matter how many historical aircraft you place here, and having absolute respect for all opinions, I hope that the AN2 does not take too long, a magnificent plane with a magnificent power plant and spectacular performance for its mission,

[Tom Clayton]

But the implication that it's somehow the user's fault for expecting a finished product...
As I said, the dev's stated multiple times that development would continue after release. With that disclaimer made, and the Development Roadmap always in the public eye, expecting a "finished" product in MSFS isn't logical. It's like buying a house next to an airport and then complaining about the noise.

Now...

Can we please steer this thread back to possible Local Legends prospects? I don't want to have to close it, but if it swirls any closer to the drain, I will.

[FAC257]

Well, if Asobo ever does a Florida World Update and we're still looking for local float plane legends, how about the world's first airline? The 1913 Benoist XIV, that made passenger flights in Tampa Bay.
https://www.fantasyofflight.com/collection/aircraft/currently-not-showing-in-museum/early-flight/1913-benoist-xiv/


Forest

[Stearman]

As I said, the dev's stated multiple times that development would continue after release. With that disclaimer made, and the Development Roadmap always in the public eye, expecting a "finished" product in MSFS isn't logical. It's like buying a house next to an airport and then complaining about the noise.

Now...

Can we please steer this thread back to possible Local Legends prospects? I don't want to have to close it, but if it swirls any closer to the drain, I will.

I hope this is not the trigger you meant, because regarding your previous comment, I know of an international airport whose neighborhood not only complain about the noise, but they convinced authorities to force departing aircraft to reduce power drastically and make a steep turn just after taking off :banghead:

Re Local Legends, if we're talking about Italians, I'd love to see the SIAI-Marchetti SF-260 trainer in MSFS. Sure it would look great in Air Combat USA classic colors!!
https://i.ibb.co/T42tPRQ/Marchetti-SF260.jpg (https://ibb.co/T42tPRQ)

[YoYo]

SF-260 trainer in MSFS.

SSW + Sim Coders working on it. This year I suppose (although the work has slowed down a bit).

https://stormbirds.files.wordpress.com/2020/11/2020-11-22-16-e1606097612224.png

[dummy_74]

Btw, he did not do the MSFS Reno L-39 edition, did he ?...

Oh Yes!!! he did the l-39's in msfs :mixed-smiley-010:

[Javis]

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/127970-Siai-Marchetti-SF260

[Javis]

Oh Yes!!! he did the l-39's in msfs :mixed-smiley-010:

Ok,right, thanks! No doubt the novelty must have worn off a bit..

IMHO in FSX it truly was a speciality, one of the best FS aircraft add-on's ever. Magic!

[K5083]

I agree with Heywooood that my personal preference for the Italy one would have been one of the Schneider Cup racers, but the S55 is a legit choice and I support any OEM attention to vintage types, it's been one of the pleasant twists in the Msfs development saga thus far. So that leaves us to guess about Local Legends to go with WU10 and beyond. Some of the proposals raised here thus far that are mainly American in their impact are better candidates for Famous Flyers than Local Legends.

As far as I know we don't know what the regions for WU10 and beyond will be, but I could be wrong, obviously I don't read the developer blogs or else I would know that MSFS is an early access kickstarter game and not the AAA title Microsoft markets it as. I have heard rumors about Greece for WU10. That is actually a pretty tough one if we assume that the LLs will continue to be vintage civil aircraft. Not much comes to mind for Greece in that vein.

Thinking ahead, presumably they eventually will do something with Africa and then it would be a crime not to do the Sikorsky S-38 Osa's Ark and/or S-39 Spirit of Africa. If they miss the Africa opportunity they could still do the Carnauba S-38 when they get around to Brazil.

If they ever do a Canada update, there are any number of good candidates, mostly bush planes. The Fairchild FC2 and/or 71 would be my nomination, but anything from a Curtiss flying boat to a Stinson, cabin Waco or Moth, to a Norseman would make sense.

Either the American clippers or the British Short flying boats would be great subjects and you could make an argument to have them be a Local Legend for China, say, or anywhere else they flew. But I feel like those planes are too complex to build to the modest LL price point.

August

[Javis]

Either the American clippers or the British Short flying boats would be great subjects and you could make an argument

Yessir, one argument here !

But oh well, what's the use..

I'll get my coat (or is that goat..?)

No, make that i'll get my boat (hopefully really...currently bidding on a Grand Banks 49 in auction here in Holland. If i can't have nice realistic waterspray effects in MSFS i'll damn well have 'em for real ! :positive:)

:playful:

[YoYo]

S.55 not relesed yet?

[LostPilot]

S.55 not released yet?

It releases with the normal Thursday Marketplace update. Based on their usual timing, should be another ~4 hours.

[YoYo]

Not still :/. The announcement said about 17.05, next they told about Thursday, after Thursday still no S.55. :dizzy:

[YoYo]

S.55 is deleyed https://www.flightsimulator.com/may-19th-2022-development-update/ :beaten:. No any date now, it means that they were pushing wrong news to users that it will be on Thursday.

[dvj]

S.55 is deleyed https://www.flightsimulator.com/may-19th-2022-development-update/ :beaten:. No any date now, it means that they were pushing wrong news to users that it will be on Thursday.Thanks for the heads up. So many aircraft now, it can wait.