OK, SU_6 has sucker punched me !

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:beaten:

Well here goes, SU_4 over NYC a couple of days before the great SU_5 that gave me a wonderful performance boost :

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All the usual bells & whistles turned on to my liking.


Computer specs " I-7 10700, 32 GB DDR4 3200mHz, GTX 1080 8 GB, 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD, Internet speed 25MB ( but really only get 17-19 MB d/l ) .... blah blah


Then we all got SU_5 that gave me almost double FPS that are shown above ... I wuz a happy little thing.

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.... now this weekend & today SU_6 :


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What has ASOBO slipped into SU_6 ?

I spent the weekend fooling around with the "new sliders", reading other forums:

CUBEMAP REFLECTIONS 96

RAYMARCHED REFLECTIONS LOW

TERRAIN LEVEL OF DETAIL 10

OFF SCREEN TERRAIN PRE-CACHING LOW

ROLLING CACHE FILE DELETED AND ALLOWED TO REBUILD


All other settings are just the way I liked them

You got me again ASOBO :banghead:

[Mr.Mugel]

For me Performance was better with Off Screen Caching set to Ultra, which makes sense for CPU limited systems.

[Kowalski65]

Ive not even updated yet & MSFS has just disappeared!!

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... alright now, going to bump this back up, maybe it will help someone. I think I've figured it out. :jump:

I've tried to use the Scientific Method on this, first was HDR. I have a HDR monitor & a video card that can run it. HDR in MSFS is fantastic ! I'm going to keep it "On".
These 2 screenshots were over Tokyo before I found my solution. I needed a large city and to fly low with a complex aircraft so I could "stress" my system. It looks like I'm flying in Flight Sim 2000!
HDR on = over exposure of the screenshot.

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These are worse than SU_4 at the opening screenshots at the top of this thread. I think these were captured Thursday.

[Daube]

There must be something wrong, either with your settings in the sim, or with the settings in your NVidia Control Panel.
I have just an i7 8700k and a GTX 1070ti, and I'm getting way higher performance in 2D than your are getting in these screenshots. Also, the screenshot clearly shows you're at a very low visual quality setting, so getting only 10 FPS out of such an "ugly" setup is definitely not normal.

Have you investigated if anything had changed regarding your graphic drivers ?
The FPS counter tells your you're limited by the GPU, but a 1080 should give you way more than that anyways, just like my GTX 1070ti does.
I would look carefully at the driver version, and the "heavy" settings such as antialiasing (transparency, especially) and such...

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I then made more changes to a lot of the "Options" in MSFS and double checking even the most insignificant ones.

These were after checking my AT&T speed test and making sure that I had "Photogrammetry" turned on. I also looked at my "Data" usage.

These were taken over Tokyo again on Friday ... my photogrammetry was back, but my FPS were still low compared to what SU_5 had given me .... back to the drawing board .... :banghead:

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[Daube]

Wait a second... why is the "Render" line (under the FPS value) showing such a high value as 5120x2880 ???
Did you maybe set the render scale too high ?
What if you get the render scale back to 100 ?

[Daube]

This is what I get over New York.
To match your situation a bit better, I have reactivated the photogrammetry and the VSync (both are usually OFF on my side).
Look at the numbers (resolution) indicated under the FPS counter:

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I tested everything .... when I used the "toolbar" at the top of MSFS all of my windows like weather, camera, vfr map and the like were slow to open. I use TrackIR 5 and it seemed to "pan around" okay without pauses and MSFS itself only had micro pauses that I could observe. So I then ran the Windows Memory Diagnostic Tool, I do not have MemTest 86 installed.... thinking that if another window was slow to load, then my memory has something wrong with it. Nope, it was all okay. I upgraded from my old 456 something Nvidia driver the latest 496.49. Nope !

So I kept scratching away at this mutha'....

Then I saw it ! It was right in front of my face and I did not pay attention to it ..... do y'all see it :mixed-smiley-010: I'm back in business ! These were taken over NYC this morning.

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The 1st. two screens posted have 30 FPS :wiggle:


I had my Render Scaling Resolution set beyond what my monitor was capable of displaying. I set it back to 2560X1440


I'll eat crow on this one ASOBO, where's the salt and some of that hot sauce.

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good show, Daube, you were paying attention in class :wavey:

[Daube]

Glad to see you could find the issue :)
Enjoy your flights !

PS: Why the limit to 30 FPS ? To avoid the micro-stutters ? How was it with unlimited FPS and VSync OFF ?

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I'll give that a try tomorrow. I'd set the FPS to 30 to help with stuttering. I never fooled with Vsync. I thought it was supposed to be on.

[ak416]

You generally want V-Sync off in games unless you have a need for it as it increases input latency. If you are limiting your FPS using in-game limiter, there shouldn't be a need to use V-Sync. V-sync can cause performance issues and make any decrease in frame rate more noticeable than if V-Sync were turned off. The only real reason to have V-Sync enabled is if you are experiencing screen tearing.

[Daube]

Ak416, you're right about the VSync, however if I'm not mistaken, if you set it to OFF in MSFS, then the frame rate limit setting becomes greyed out, so I suppose it becomes inactive/ignored.
Concerning the micro-stuttering, if the FPS limit is effective, then you should keep it. But since your computer seems barely able to maintain that value in your screenshots, it might be worth a try to set it off and give it a go for a few flights, see if your eyes can get used to it, something like that...

[Priller]

What I do is limit the framerates in the Nvidia control panel. Just thinking out loud!

Priller

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Thanks y'all,

I did as instructed:

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I have a monitor that has FreeSync Premium Pro : So I thought that all of that Sync stuff had to be turned on. Thanks for schooling me on that issue. I read several internet searches about whether one should have it on or off. It's kinda clear to me now.

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Here are a few screenshots to prove, that in my case, Vsync should be off. These are this morning again over NYC, low altitude, complex aircraft, payware KTEB scenery as take off point, Live weather, etc. and most of my settings are on High & Ultra.

These 1st. four are right at daybreak ... to stress my system .... at least in FSX and P3D it did. These are on the "Jersey side" and as I flew out and made my left hand turn to go back .... MSFS just froze up .... this involved pausing the sim, going in and out of the cockpit to tell the autopilot gryo thing to turn.... taking screenshot, going in and out of full screen to windowed mode, pasting into Windows paint program ... etc; etc.

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I had a sustained increase to 30 FPS, after that last screenshot she froze up ! :banghead:

[Priller]

Anny error messages in the eventviewer? You might see what caused the freeze!

Priller

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... more after a restart of the sim .....

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... now I had a lower FPS displayed on the Developer mode FPS counter ... after a few seconds while I was doing the copying & pasting in to the paint program the FPS counter went up ..... Hawthorne effect I say ! :a1310:

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Thanks a bunch fellas : Daube, ak416, Priller


- Don

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Priller, it beats me, how do you use this thing ? Maybe you can see something, how do I search for MSFS stuff using this tool ? Do I need to scroll down a little more to show more entries?


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- Don

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The "Boss-of-me" called me away for a few hrs. I got back to MSFS and it happened again, this time on start up of the sim:

This just occurred at 10:27 A.M today.

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I read a little about it and figured out how to use Event Viewer.

This is what I got, quoted from internet search:




Ucrtbase.dll is a dynamic link library file that is associated with Microsoft Visual C++, and is a legitimate Windows file that does not cause any threat to your PC. Microsoft Visual C++ is an integrated development environment by Microsoft that is designed for the C, C++, and C++/CLI programming languages.

[Priller]

Priller, it beats me, how do you use this thing ? Maybe you can see something, how do I search for MSFS stuff using this tool ? Do I need to scroll down a little more to show more entries?


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- Don

Hi Don,

Go to custom views and then select administrative events. Scroll down to the time the freeze happened and see what gives. If you have details or an error code (preferably both) I'll be more than happy to help you with that.

Cheers,

Priller

[Priller]

The "Boss-of-me" called me away for a few hrs. I got back to MSFS and it happened again, this time on start up of the sim:

This just occurred at 10:27 A.M today.

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I read a little about it and figured out how to use Event Viewer.

This is what I got, quoted from internet search:

I think you have a problem with your C++ runtimes, you can install them all via this page: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/visual-c-redistributable-runtime-package-all-in-one/

Run the included install_all.bat with admin privileges (right click, "Run as administrator")

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Thanks Priller, on it's way to the C: drive

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[Priller]

Hi Don,

Are the problems fixed now?

Priller

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%@#!!&^ .... now, twice in a row MSFS crashed to desktop (at 4:00 PM local) when I hit the FLY button ! Something else I've got to look into

PowerShell :

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The Boss-of-me is calling me for supper .....

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CUSS $%^@#


3rd. time ..... I'm shutting her down will check in tomorrow :banghead:

[Tom Clayton]

Empty out your Community folder and try again. You may have an addon causing the issue.

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Thanks fellas,

I could only start MSFS if I let it start in the "Safe Mode" this morning, which it did do with the Caravan. This was around 5:30 AM local time.

This evening I could not get the sim to start at all ! I right clicked, run as Admin. ... nothing X 2 just my desktop looking back at me. :banghead:

I have been having a lot of trouble with my internet, watching Youtube videos and it will almost always hang up between 5-7 PM local time ..... Hmmmm ....
We had an AT&T service guy come out about 18 months ago to do a looksie for us. I told him we were not getting good service for the 50Mbs we were paying for. He asked did you say "50?"...., I blew up :rocket: :censored: :tommygun2:

He said your neighborhood is wired for only 25Mbs ! He gave us a tidbit of info telling us that AT&T prolly will never go to the expense of purchasing the rights ( he used another word for it but I can't remember) to lay underground fiber optics into our neighborhood since we have "underground utilities". Anyways we got a refund and they got a bunch of my best #$@(# $% words !

Back to MSFS, I wonder if my internet was not connecting to the main hub at ASOBO servers?

I did get in a good check flight around Hilo in Hawaii this evening at about 7:30 ish PM in Normal Mode.

- Don

[Priller]

Thanks fellas,

I could only start MSFS if I let it start in the "Safe Mode" this morning, which it did do with the Caravan. This was around 5:30 AM local time.

This evening I could not get the sim to start at all ! I right clicked, run as Admin. ... nothing X 2 just my desktop looking back at me. :banghead:

I have been having a lot of trouble with my internet, watching Youtube videos and it will almost always hang up between 5-7 PM local time ..... Hmmmm ....
We had an AT&T service guy come out about 18 months ago to do a looksie for us. I told him we were not getting good service for the 50Mbs we were paying for. He asked did you say "50?"...., I blew up :rocket: :censored: :tommygun2:

He said your neighborhood is wired for only 25Mbs ! He gave us a tidbit of info telling us that AT&T prolly will never go to the expense of purchasing the rights ( he used another word for it but I can't remember) to lay underground fiber optics into our neighborhood since we have "underground utilities". Anyways we got a refund and they got a bunch of my best #$@(# $% words !

Back to MSFS, I wonder if my internet was not connecting to the main hub at ASOBO servers?

I did get in a good check flight around Hilo in Hawaii this evening at about 7:30 ish PM in Normal Mode.

- Don

Hi Don,

If the sim only allows you to start it in safe mode, that means that there is something in your community folder that is not compatible.

Put the contents of that folder somewhere safe, restart the sim and see what gives.

Then put things back one by one, testing them all before adding other stuff. But before you do, make sure that you have the latest version of every single one of those addons.

Cheers,

Priller

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Will do, Tom & Priller.

I just got in from work and it is 6:00 PM local and a very busy schedule over the next 2 days. I will only be able to tackle this on the weekend.

I'll start with the easy stuff, here is my list of the Community folder:

payware airports 43

freeware airports 2

payware aircraft 3

aircraft repaints 29

scenery city packs 6

freeware scenery objects 1

utility files ( AFC Bridge ) 1


I was able to get in a check ride the other day over Hilo Hawaii in the Normal mode with no problems. I may try out Japan again before bed time.


- Don