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YoYo
September 1st, 2020, 10:29
http://i.imgur.com/y4RKz8xm.jpg (https://imgur.com/y4RKz8x)

As announced prices of new cards are nice (especially when we look at the price-performance comparison of 3070). It will be nice to test it in MSFS in nearest future.


http://youtu.be/E98hC9e__Xs

My target will be 3090 perhaps ; ).

000rick000
September 1st, 2020, 10:32
Requires 600 watts just for the card? and 12 pin power cable. So you'll need a new PSU likely as well.

YoYo
September 1st, 2020, 10:35
Requires 600 watts just for the card? and 12 pin power cable. So you'll need a new PSU likely as well.

I have Be quiet 850W. About 12 pin - no, its only in Founders Edition, for the rest will be 8-pins plus one connection for coolers (and not always).
For Founders Edition you will have an adapter also so no need the new PSU if the power will be ok.

000rick000
September 1st, 2020, 11:46
If you have extra cables....

you'll need a cooler man. why would you buy that thing and not cool it properly? It the full price of a new PC without a gfx card. that is insane.

StormILM
September 1st, 2020, 13:52
I saw a demo of NVIDA Deep Learning Super Sampling (DLSS) software with 4K. The FPS jump was quite dramatic but unfortunately, FS2020 doesn't support that yet and there are still reported bugs but I thought it was promising for those with legacy GPUs and helping boost performance with new GPUs.

Dangerous Beans
September 1st, 2020, 14:49
For me it depends on how well my current setup performs when VR comes to FS2020.
ATM I get a solid 60 FPS flying over Manhattan with it set to ultra in pancake mode but if that drops through the floor in VR I'l consider upgrading.

Firekitten
September 1st, 2020, 16:57
You don't even need that card... I run a 2070SV and It's barely touching it on Ultra.

TuFun
September 1st, 2020, 17:04
Hey, Firekitten recording any MSFS videos? Are you back?

Prices for those 2070s are priced about the same as a 3070. Suppose perform on par of a 2080ti, but if you have a current 2070 no need.

Firekitten
September 1st, 2020, 17:37
Yeah I am :D

Not sure, if its the same performance eh... SV is 9% lower than an 80 so its not a big difference when it doesn't use all of it.

Sundog
September 1st, 2020, 19:59
I was waiting for this to come out because it would drop the prices of the older cards. Now that I see what they cost, it looks like I'll be getting a 3080. I can't wait to play MSFS with this card. :encouragement:

wombat666
September 1st, 2020, 20:10
Given the present COVID19 restrictions it might be quite some way off before it hits the mainstream.
Supply of current generation items is bad enough.
:banghead:

YoYo
September 1st, 2020, 21:40
I can't wait to play MSFS with this card. :encouragement:

Id like to see first tests. NDA is taken off now so perheps very soon we will se how 3070, 80 and 90 works with MSFS.

jmig
September 2nd, 2020, 03:01
I run between 35-55 FPS with my system and a RTX 2070 Super. I also have never used more than 12GB of the 16GB system memory and about 7GB of the 8GB GPU memory. This is pushing two or three monitors and a 1080P projector.

This is according the the Developer's FPS count you can turn on via the Developer's task bar. The FPS counter also tells me that I am "mainthread" limited, which, if I understand correctly, is pretty much universal with all current CPUs. I am running at High settings as recommended by MSFS. I tried Ultra and using the 1920 x 1080 projector, I see very little difference, with exception of details further out, from the High settings.

So, my question is: Why would I want or need a larger more expensive GPS?

FlyingsCool
September 2nd, 2020, 06:15
I run between 35-55 FPS with my system and a RTX 2070 Super. I also have never used more than 12GB of the 16GB system memory and about 7GB of the 8GB GPU memory. This is pushing two or three monitors and a 1080P projector.

This is according the the Developer's FPS count you can turn on via the Developer's task bar. The FPS counter also tells me that I am "mainthread" limited, which, if I understand correctly, is pretty much universal with all current CPUs. I am running at High settings as recommended by MSFS. I tried Ultra and using the 1920 x 1080 projector, I see very little difference, with exception of details further out, from the High settings.

So, my question is: Why would I want or need a larger more expensive GPS?

But... but.... it's so shiny!!!

dvj
September 2nd, 2020, 06:23
http://i.imgur.com/y4RKz8xm.jpg (https://imgur.com/y4RKz8x)

As announced prices of new cards are nice (especially when we look at the price-performance comparison of 3070). It will be nice to test it in MSFS in nearest future.


http://youtu.be/E98hC9e__Xs

My target will be 3090 perhaps ; ).

I may have mis-read the specs, but the 3090 looks to be a 3 slot card, large, heavy. Some motherboards and PC cases may not be able to support.

jmig
September 2nd, 2020, 06:34
But... but.... it's so shiny!!!

Ouuu, true. Honnyyyy, I NEED a...

Firekitten
September 2nd, 2020, 06:40
hardware isn't as big an issue right now... bigger and better is somewhat wasted by the sim's own limits.

As others have mentioned, I also run a high-end machine... Ryzen 7 2700x, 32gb Corsair Vengence ram, 2070SV... the sim is literally using HALF of my computer's potential performance... This will likely improve as they optimize and improve things over the next few months. I could literally fly and render a video, or play GTA right now and do both XD

FlyingsCool
September 2nd, 2020, 06:42
I may have mis-read the specs, but the 3090 looks to require 3 PCIE slots on your motherboard. It's a very heavy card too.

the 3 PCIe x16 slots on my motherboard are not next to each other, so not an option for me (MSI Z97 Gaming 5).

wombat666
September 2nd, 2020, 07:12
Ouuu, true. Honnyyyy, I NEED a...

"How old are you? Seven!"
:biggrin-new::biggrin-new::biggrin-new:

YoYo
September 2nd, 2020, 07:21
I may have mis-read the specs, but the 3090 looks to be a 3 slot card, large, heavy. Some motherboards and PC cases may not be able to support.

It isnt bigger than my RTX2080Ti with tri fans. FE takes 3 slots, for the rest it will be 2,5 (so like Today's 2080Ti):

http://i.imgur.com/K1C4pX0m.png (https://imgur.com/K1C4pX0)

odourboy
September 2nd, 2020, 07:24
PSU is too puny. Probably just wait for now and upgrade the whole PC if/when I move on VR.

Priller
September 2nd, 2020, 07:28
the 3 PCIe x16 slots on my motherboard are not next to each other, so not an option for me (MSI Z97 Gaming 5).

You don't need three PCIe slots next to each other, just enough free space, meaning two empty slots next to your PCIe slot.

Priller

FlyingsCool
September 2nd, 2020, 08:19
You don't need three PCIe slots next to each other, just enough free space, meaning two empty slots next to your PCIe slot.

Priller

Got it. Thanks. Makes more sense, so my layout is actually good then, as it'll just be covering little slots, not the important x16 slots.

TuFun
September 2nd, 2020, 09:36
Given the present COVID19 restrictions it might be quite some way off before it hits the mainstream.
Supply of current generation items is bad enough.
:banghead:

Not only that but the potential future economy tanking.

Sundog
September 2nd, 2020, 09:42
I run between 35-55 FPS with my system and a RTX 2070 Super. I also have never used more than 12GB of the 16GB system memory and about 7GB of the 8GB GPU memory. This is pushing two or three monitors and a 1080P projector.

This is according the the Developer's FPS count you can turn on via the Developer's task bar. The FPS counter also tells me that I am "mainthread" limited, which, if I understand correctly, is pretty much universal with all current CPUs. I am running at High settings as recommended by MSFS. I tried Ultra and using the 1920 x 1080 projector, I see very little difference, with exception of details further out, from the High settings.

So, my question is: Why would I want or need a larger more expensive GPS?

My system currently has the 1070 Founders Edition, but I can only run with a few settings on high and it still pauses when I get near a medium size city, much less a large one. Also, that's in a plane barely going 100 knots. I want to be able to fly over a city in an F-15 with most settings on high without a hiccup. I'm just thinking ahead. ;) Besides, they still don't have everything enabled in the sim and I also want to be able to handle future growth. Like power lines. I haven't seen a single power line anywhere.

TuFun
September 2nd, 2020, 10:07
With a 1060 and just moping around for a few years and skipping 20 series, I'm looking at the 3080 and MSFS has piqued my interest once again in flight simming. Besides the 3080 seems to handle RTX much better and I have a few games that use RTX.

wombat666
September 2nd, 2020, 10:09
Not only that but the potential future economy tanking.

So right Ted, but not just potentially.
Australia is officially in 'Recession', previously that dubious distinction was as far back as 1945 and then was relatively brief.
:pop4:

I should clarify that: we are in the worst recession since 1945, there have been a couple between then and now but no where as savage.

TuFun
September 2nd, 2020, 10:34
So right Ted, but not just potentially.
Australia is officially in 'Recession', previously that dubious distinction was as far back as 1945 and then was relatively brief.
:pop4:

It's bad in Cali, foreclosed homes on the market...

centuryseries
September 3rd, 2020, 10:23
Requires 600 watts just for the card? and 12 pin power cable. So you'll need a new PSU likely as well.

I read that it will come with an adapter for 8 pin.

dvj
September 3rd, 2020, 11:03
Got it. Thanks. Makes more sense, so my layout is actually good then, as it'll just be covering little slots, not the important x16 slots.

Yes, sorry, I made the correction to my post. Still, some chassis may not support 3 slots.

-d

wombat666
September 4th, 2020, 22:13
'Official' 3 series release announcement made today (Saturday 05.09.2020) points to an interesting price structure.

In round numbers the Founder's Edition comes in at US$1600, with the two minor versions around US$900+/- and US$600+.
However, by the time resellers get their (17.09.2020.....yeah, sure!) supplies they expect to have a higher wholesale sticker price for limited supply.

Back on Planet Earth the consensus is more pragmatic, pricing aside, availability is more toward November-December.

:indecisiveness:

stansdds
September 5th, 2020, 03:41
With the performance promised by the 3000 series cards, expect the cryptocurrency miners to be the first in line to snatch them up. I'd wager the retail price will be around 20% more than MSRP.

TuFun
September 5th, 2020, 08:44
I think maybe the 3060 or one of the Radeon cards due cost. As it is now the best gpu's for mining are the N1660's and R5700's series cards.

Have to wait and see on the 3000 series.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDShNf1TJdg

TuFun
September 6th, 2020, 08:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMYKLGEMfJc

FlyingsCool
September 6th, 2020, 18:46
"How old are you? Seven!"
:biggrin-new::biggrin-new::biggrin-new:

Nope, he's married.... :untroubled:
And very likely happily so with that attitude :)

YoYo
September 8th, 2020, 11:15
https://9gag.com/gag/abGBM4r :biggrin-new:

TuFun
September 9th, 2020, 13:13
Looks like the 3080 going to the dogs...

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/hold-your-breath-geforce-rtx-3080-might-become-hard-to-get-cryptocurrency-miners-again.html

Sundog
September 9th, 2020, 15:50
Looks like the 3080 going to the dogs...

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/hold-your-breath-geforce-rtx-3080-might-become-hard-to-get-cryptocurrency-miners-again.html

May those Jackals burn in hell. It's a shame the manufacturers don't reserve enough cards for the public.

stansdds
September 10th, 2020, 01:45
Looks like the 3080 going to the dogs...

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/hold-your-breath-geforce-rtx-3080-might-become-hard-to-get-cryptocurrency-miners-again.html

That is exactly what I have been saying! The cryptocurrency miners will be first in line and that is going to create a shortage of new cards, the result will be retail prices that are significantly higher than the stated MSRP.

YoYo
September 10th, 2020, 22:39
As I know NDA is still present (till the 14th of September) but something was leaked (maybe?)


http://youtu.be/DB4nt6bZXp4

It follows that the differences are not as great as it was in the announcements but it is not bad.

http://i.imgur.com/0WH9WeQm.jpg (https://imgur.com/0WH9WeQ) http://i.imgur.com/5wa6AYdm.jpg (https://imgur.com/5wa6AYd)


http://i.imgur.com/hvkKmomm.jpg (https://imgur.com/hvkKmom) http://i.imgur.com/iyj2BX9m.jpg (https://imgur.com/iyj2BX9)

YoYo
September 10th, 2020, 22:59
http://i.imgur.com/oz4Ejxdm.jpg (https://imgur.com/oz4Ejxd) http://i.imgur.com/VGcFoo4m.jpg (https://imgur.com/VGcFoo4)


http://i.imgur.com/VF9d2cum.jpg (https://imgur.com/VF9d2cu) http://i.imgur.com/cj9KUodm.jpg (https://imgur.com/cj9KUod)

Boss86001
September 11th, 2020, 12:51
Not enough of an increase in fps from the 2080ti for me to justify moving to a 3080. Curious to see the 3090 benchmarks.

TuFun
September 11th, 2020, 14:32
Based on that video...

IMPORTANT Note: This video is based on statistics and these aren't real benchmarks

Sundog
September 11th, 2020, 15:04
Considering I'm on a 1070, I'm all in on this card. :encouragement:

YoYo
September 11th, 2020, 21:58
Based on that video...

IMPORTANT Note: This video is based on statistics and these aren't real benchmarks

Its sentence/explanations for NDA ;). Press recived own new RTX cards for tests in this week.

TuFun
September 11th, 2020, 22:32
Its sentence/explanations for NDA ;). Press recived own new RTX cards for tests in this week.

NDA suppose to be lift on Monday. Looking forward to Guru3D since he uses the MSFS benchmark.

YoYo
September 11th, 2020, 22:36
NDA suppose to be lift on Monday. Looking forward to Guru3D since he uses the MSFS benchmark.

Yep, for 3080 and 70, but what about 3090? Also will be lifted?

YoYo
September 12th, 2020, 06:04
For official test of 3080 we must wait one day more:

https://www.purepc.pl/image/news/2020/09/12_nvidia_geforce_rtx_3070_ze_sklepowym_debiutem_1 5_pazdziernika_2.png

YoYo
September 12th, 2020, 11:21
https://www.gry-online.pl/galeria/html/wiadomosci/bigphotos/283761140.jpg

https://www.gry-online.pl/galeria/html/wiadomosci/bigphotos/283760750.jpg

DennyA
September 12th, 2020, 19:36
It sounds like the 3090 NDA ends later, which is really frustrating for those trying to decide between buying the sane card and the crazy card. :) Iím assuming if you wait until 9/27 to order a 3080 youíll be waiting a long time for a back order.

TuFun
September 14th, 2020, 16:09
Stick with the current cards since it will be hard to get 3000 series cards and it's not needed for the current crop of games.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHVKtMHhX34

DennyA
September 14th, 2020, 20:05
Well, I'd say wait for AMD to announce if you're not in a big hurry, but I certainly wouldn't suggest anyone buy an RTX 20x0 card at this point.

As for whether games can use it, I'm quite sure when I get my Reverb G2 I'll be able to push the new cards to full power trying to get 90 fps VR going on DCS and MSFS. :)

TuFun
September 15th, 2020, 22:43
LOL!!! Portable heater for your room!


https://youtu.be/tXb-8feWoOE?t=1426

YoYo
September 15th, 2020, 23:07
Today we will see the first press benchmarks. I'm curious about the results. According me, for owners of 2080Ti (if you have a financial surplus :biggrin-new:):

- if you have 2080Ti and run on 2-2,5K - its not necessary to replace your card (the difference will not be great).
- if you play at 4K - it will probably be worth replacing the card for 3080/90
- if you play VR - it will probably be worth replacing the card for 3090

or wait for RTX3080Ti (probably the beginning of the next year), the problem of the current generation 3070-80 is the amount of VRAM, for 3090 is ok, but we need something that gives 12-16Gb (especially for VR and higher resolutions). So there's a big hole right now, 10Gb and ... 24Gb. Probably for Ti/Super line.

But. I hope we will see some tests in MSFS, maybe the difference in FPS can be big due to the new engine and the resource consumption of the GPU here. We will see.

Boss86001
September 16th, 2020, 07:18
I am looking forward to the benchmarks of the 3090 with 24 GB of VRAM.

YoYo
September 16th, 2020, 08:15
https://i.imgur.com/dLtMYPZ.png

https://i.ibb.co/dctckVK/Screen-Shot-2020-09-16-at-11-03-40-AM.png

https://i.ibb.co/PjNyydY/Screen-Shot-2020-09-16-at-11-03-16-AM.png

https://i.ibb.co/HX5F3ZF/Screen-Shot-2020-09-16-at-10-47-45-AM.png

YoYo
September 16th, 2020, 08:57
http://youtu.be/lCPi4-BP6sU

000rick000
September 16th, 2020, 08:57
Soooo 10 FPS increase is worth $1600??? I have a 2080 Super and I'm not seeing ANY issues with performance. I have every setting set to ULTRA and get about 40 FPS average.

TuFun
September 16th, 2020, 13:44
Flight Simulator 2020 is full of system-related bottlenecks, and that is holding down performance in the lower resolutions. The faster graphics cards start to show off starting at Ultra HD though.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3080_founder_review,21.html

TuFun
September 16th, 2020, 15:36
What not twice as fast... :biggrin-new:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AgitatedQuarterlyAsiaticlesserfreshwaterclam-small.gif

TuFun
September 16th, 2020, 20:44
I'm liking what I'm seeing...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJXFe5zW_G0

Sundog
September 17th, 2020, 09:54
It's funny how many of these stupid videos assume everyone has the previous greatest card. Yeah, if you have the previous greatest card, you don't need this. I'm not one of those people. And considering this new card is much lower in cost than the "previous greatest card," I think I'll just go with the new one. At this point, I can only assume most of those people are just concern trolls. I'm referring to all of the people trying to negative sell the new cards.

YoYo
September 17th, 2020, 10:02
It's funny how many of these stupid videos assume everyone has the previous greatest card. Yeah, if you have the previous greatest card, you don't need this. I'm not one of those people. And considering this new card is much lower in cost than the "previous greatest card," I think I'll just go with the new one. At this point, I can only assume most of those people are just concern trolls. I'm referring to all of the people trying to negative sell the new cards.

Right, :encouragement: .
Btw. besides, for example in my country, I see a huge problem with availability. So you can only dream about the price from the NVidia shelf.

Dangerous Beans
September 17th, 2020, 12:28
I've seen reports that they were all sold out within 15 seconds of release and have started appearing on fleabay at HUGE markups.
F-ing price gougers, I hope they get stuck with them and lose loads of money.

TuFun
September 17th, 2020, 14:44
I've seen reports that they were all sold out within 15 seconds of release and have started appearing on fleabay at HUGE markups.
F-ing price gougers, I hope they get stuck with them and lose loads of money.

I had one in the cart ready to buy on NewEgg and the second I hit buy... out of stock. Loads of complaints about this on the forums. Checked EVGA forums and the same, people are peed.

Just like this guy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW8oo5RhXdE

Sundog
September 17th, 2020, 18:27
I think the people who gobbled them up will be stuck with them, unless the bitcoin people are going to buy them. I know I can wait until there are more.

wombat666
September 18th, 2020, 02:16
Hit the two major retailers in my state and were gone almost immediately.
:banghead:

stansdds
September 18th, 2020, 03:46
Bot purchases are causing at least a portion of the shortage.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/how-a-bot-bought-dozens-of-rtx-3080-units-before-consumers-could-grab-them


Nvidia is aware of this issue and is manually examining purchase orders.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/nvidia-is-manually-reviewing-rtx-3080-orders-to-stop-scalpers

YoYo
September 20th, 2020, 21:50
Not offcial tests but its only 10% more (to 3080) of fps for 3090 with +100% of the price ??? :dizzy:
I thought it would be + 25-30% at least!

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia-rtx-3090-gaming-benchmarks-leaked-just-10-faster-than-the-rtx-3080/

https://i.imgur.com/ehL8kH5.png

The plus is that they may be available, not like the 3080, if the difference is so small actually. :biggrin-new:

However, it looks like 3090 will only be for madmen ;) or VR people I suppose.

TuFun
September 21st, 2020, 14:41
Looks like the 3800 are going up...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-YAMXDCvMM

Sundog
September 21st, 2020, 15:38
Less reason for me to buy them, then. I can wait.

TuFun
September 24th, 2020, 11:57
Performs results of 3090...

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3090_founder_review,21.html

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=79177&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=79178&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=79179&stc=1
(https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3090_founder_review,21.html)

TuFun
September 25th, 2020, 14:41
Looks like the depends on the quality... maybe boosting to high?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6bUUEEe-X8


ASUS RTX 3080 STRIXThree 8 pin power plugs

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=79200&stc=1

High quality...

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=79201&stc=1