Boulton Paul Defiant MkII radar equiped uploaded

[Capt. Winters]

Hi All,

A new Defiant MkII with working MkVI AI radar has been uploaded. It uses the same Radar package that the recently released Blenheim included.

It is the original model of the Boulton Paul Defiant built for CFS3 by Greg Law, with additional
main model work by Clive Morley, and Ted Kanuka,
cockpit and gunner station built by Steve Seybolt.
Radar modeling by Steve (Sdsbolt) Seybolt and Daniel (Gecko) Holtz.
Textures by John (Bravo/4) Whelan, Main and Virtual cockpit.
Mos File by Rob (Capt. Winters) Stevenson.
XDP compilation, research by Rob (Capt. Winters) Stevenson.
Flight Model By Ted (Nachtpiloten) Kaniuka.
weapons stock CFS3.

It can be found in the British aircraft section on the downloads page.

please see included readme for instructions.

regards Rob.

[stuart277]

Brilliant!!!:applause::applause::applause:
Take Care
Stuart

[mongoose]

Thank you so much Rob and team, and Steve for the AI MkVI!:applause::ernaehrung004:

[33lima]

Very clever! Grabbing it now...if I can find it in the dark :)

[Shessi]

Very very nice!

Thank you to all.

Cheers

Shessi

[Daiwilletti]

Thanks for a fascinating package! I'll have to start editing campaigns to allow night flying! :applause:

I'll be interested to see the set-up for the turret - the original MkII used Trainable="1" Trigger="1". There were also damageboxes with probabilities that did not add up to 100

<Box ID="damagebox_nose" Parent="damagebox_fuselage">
<BoxMap SystemID="nose_structure" Probability="24" Points="108"/>
<BoxMap SystemID="engine_one" Probability="44" Points="115"/>
<BoxMap SystemID="oil_reservoir" Probability="15" Points="82"/>
<BoxMap SystemID="coolant_reservoir" Probability="5" Points="58"/>
</Box> <Box ID="damagebox_canopy0" Parent="damagebox_fuselage">
<BoxMap SystemID="texture_canopy" Probability="54" Points="25"/>
<BoxMap SystemID="pilot" Probability="21" Points="180"/>
<BoxMap SystemID="bomb_release" Probability="17" Points="64"/>
</Box>
<Box ID="damagebox_canopy1" Parent="damagebox_fuselage">
<BoxMap SystemID="texture_canopy" Probability="54" Points="25"/>
<BoxMap SystemID="radio" Probability="8" Points="30"/>
<BoxMap SystemID="bomb_release" Probability="17" Points="64"/>
</Box>.

Not saying this is the case with the current model - just seemed like something worth mentioning with renewed interest in this luverly model.

Actually it looks like the damagebox probabilities are unchanged in the new version. Not being a modeller, how does this affect the representing of damage for the damagebox? Does it just make it non-functional over the specific damagebox?

I'm looking forward to taking this eccentric and unusual bird for a spin!

[sdsbolt]

Actually it looks like the damagebox probabilities are unchanged in the new version. Not being a modeller, how does this affect the representing of damage for the damagebox? Does it just make it non-functional over the specific damagebox?


Yeah, its just a copy of the old Defiant xdp with a change in the guns #'s and effects. I am not sure what happens when the damagebox probabilities don't add up to 100. I know they are normally suppose to.

[sdsbolt]

BTW, I forgot to thank MM for the gauge lighting effect position :encouragement:

[sdsbolt]

something faster....and harder hitting

[Frosty]

something faster....and harder hitting

a NF Mossie? :encouragement:

[mongoose]

Given what I take to be a radar screen in the navigator/radar operator's seat on the starboard side; could not the radar be placed there?

[sdsbolt]

a NF Mossie?
Yeah, toying with Ted's classic Mosquito NFII


Given what I take to be a radar screen in the navigator/radar operator's seat on the starboard side; could not the radar be placed there?
You are correct, radar could be placed there.

[Shessi]

Nice one Steve thanks,
As shown the Defiant II had the older MkIV radar, which only had the small pilot repeater display and nothing for the gunner.

Actually where Steve's put it in the Mossie is accurate. When the Mossie NFII with MkIV radar was introduced, they also were trialling the small MkV pilot repeater screen, which some early NFII's were fitted with. The repeater was used by the pilot for the close contact final stages, the radar op doing all the initial guidance/tracking work. They continued trialling with the repeater idea onto the the MkVIII/IX centimetric radar, but it was not that popular and not really required, so on the later MkXIX and XXX Mossies fitted with MkX radar the repeater was not continued with. I'm sure Steve knows all this anyway!

So you could have both the repeater in front of the pilot AND the main radar screen in front of the radar opo, which would be accurate in some Mossies.

It's funny, as I'm in the middle or re-reading 'Night Fighter' by 'Jimmy' Rawnsley, who was John 'Cat's Eyes' Cunningham's radar opo. Lots of details and worth a read.

Cheers

Shessi

[mongoose]

Sounds good!

[sdsbolt]

Thanks Shessi


The pilot indicator is nice to have as it solves the problem of giving up control of the aircraft to the auto pilot or unrealistically keeping control as you peer into the RO scope.


As you know the mkV RO display had a different setup than the mkIV and I am not sure I want to model that right now. I guess I could have two versions. One with mkV and the other with mkIV set up like the Blenheim. I will have to see how it all works.


I borrowed 'Night Fighter' from the library before the shutdown so now I have it for extended time as reference. It's nice to read of at least one Mossy with the mkV A.I.

[Shessi]

Hi Steve,
Yes, Jimmy Rawnsley's descriptions of radar fit and operations is very good, using the MkV repeater on an FIU borrowed Mossie along with John Cunningham, to go hunting in deepest darkest Europe.

Other good night fighter books are Lewis Brandon's 'Night Flyler' and Bob Braham's 'Scramble'.

Cheers

Shessi

[mongoose]

I have been looking for a RAF equivalent to the detailed LW NJG operations by Theo Boiten etc., but so far have been unable to find any; only all the biographies. The closest which was limited to East Anglia was 'No Place for Chivalry' by Alastair Goodrum.

[sdsbolt]

thanks again Shessi. Yeah, I have Bob Braham's 'Night Fighter'(same as 'Scramble'?) on loan also. I will have to look for Brandon's 'Night Flyer' as it sounds pretty good


Steve

[sdsbolt]

couldn't deny myself any longer :wiggle:

[Shessi]

Good one Steve,
Yes a cheap book, and worth it. Even a duel with an He219!

Now re-re-reading autobiography 'Pursuit Through Darkened Skies' by Mike Allen, not bad, but maybe not enough action as such, quite a bit of peripheral decription of life, thoughts and general wartime. The shame is he and his pilot Harry White were on Turbinlite Havocs for 15 months, and although there is general description of what it was like, and how it worked, there's not much operational detail...and as you've guessed, no action (well it is a Turbinlite! lol), and this book is the only book written I know of, that was written by a person on Turbinlite Havocs...grrr!

Cheers

Shessi

[sdsbolt]

Ok, gave the RO something to do

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77071&stc=1

[mongoose]

Releasing soon? BTW I tried to see if I could use the CFS3_A.I.radar as a ground control, even if not in a radar equipped aircraft; i.e. a Hurricane in my ErprGr210_11 Aug1940 mission. I didn't hear anything so are teh two parts necessary; the in ac radar as well as the ap started; or was I just not doing something correctly?

[rbp71854]

couldn't deny myself any longer :wiggle:

Another night fighter publication. There are a few missions derived from this book in the ETO.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77072&stc=1

[sdsbolt]

Releasing soon? BTW I tried to see if I could use the CFS3_A.I.radar as a ground control, even if not in a radar equipped aircraft; i.e. a Hurricane in my ErprGr210_11 Aug1940 mission. I didn't hear anything so are teh two parts necessary; the in ac radar as well as the ap started; or was I just not doing something correctly?

Did you rename the Hurricane's XDP shortname to contain "A.I.iv" ? Having said that, I dont think GCI will work very well for mid-1940 unless you are over the channel or along the south-east coast.

[sdsbolt]

Another night fighter publication. There are a few missions derived from this book in the ETO.

I will have to look for that when I run out of reading material. Thanks Bob :encouragement:

[mongoose]

Did you rename the Hurricane's XDP shortname to contain "A.I.iv" ? Having said that, I dont think GCI will work very well for mid-1940 unless you are over the channel or along the south-east coast.

Ah! I forgot that!

[Shessi]

Hi rpb,
For me, ''Beaufighters in the Night'' is unfortunately just not a very good book, few details, combats etc, mostly sqaudron life and anecdotes, which was a shame and disappointed about.

''No Place for Chivalry: RAF Night Fighters Defend the East of England Against the German Air Force in Two World Wars'', is not a bad read. Starts off a bit too 'chatty' and verbose, but settles down to give good accounts of Home Defence in the Eastern counties and NE areas of the UK, from the very early days.

Steve,
You're spot on with GCI coverage in the early days, although there was also coverage in the Midlands and East yorkshire to Liverpool areas.

Below pic is of CH high and low radar coverage around the UK in '39-'40, which is obviously needed for GCI.

Cheers

Shessi

[sdsbolt]

You are correct Shessi, I am pretty sure I roughly covered all the CH/CHL areas on that map

[mongoose]

Did you rename the Hurricane's XDP shortname to contain "A.I.iv" ? Having said that, I dont think GCI will work very well for mid-1940 unless you are over the channel or along the south-east coast.

So I made a Hurri ShortName="BoB_Huri_017 A.I.iv/vi" and put it in our old Blenheim short mission but using the latest radar ap. I got the stock voice messages but was always 'no target in range' even when they were on top of me. This was the same route as we had success with the Blenheim. I don't see how actually having the radar iN the ac would matter.:dizzy:

[sdsbolt]

The radar in the vc wont make a difference. I am not sure what has changed but have you tried editing the mission date to late '41 or '42?

[mongoose]

No but was the same as previous mission; only made daylight and Hurri. I will play around with it!

[sdsbolt]

tried the short mission in daylight with another aircraft and everything still works fine for me. Are the enemy still over the channel when you intercept?

[mongoose]

Well at the moment even none of the original test missions are working for me. I assume the latest app works with all the different radar sets? I get the voice info from F C but always no enemies in range even when I can see them. Even the radar seems to indicate some activity. I'll look at the issue again.

[sdsbolt]

Most likely the enemy aircraft are in an area not covered by ground based radar. If you still have no success just send me the mission as you have it now.

[mongoose]

So Steve, was there always some relationship between those GCI stations we did and the A.I.Radar.EXE ? For some reason I thought that was not a real relationship so I seem not to have understood what you programmed in the app.

Are you saying that only certain enemy flights will be picked up, and if so, how is that determined?

Is there also some distance relationship between (In CFS3) GCI locations, player ac and enemy ac?

[sdsbolt]

Mongoose,
You will be directed to the closest enemy flight that is inside the area of ground radar coverage and within 30 miles of player aircraft. Areas of ground radar coverage are hard coded in the app but will change depending on your mission date. Unspawned enemies will be hidden until they are spawned.

[mongoose]

Are the GCI opening dates based on the stuff we researched before, so they would vary area to area?

Would it be a big job to prpgramme the app ( or a diff version) to CH stations?

Any altitude limitations?

Could you email me your the short mission in daylight with another aircraft and everything still works fine for me" mission?

[sdsbolt]

I thinks its better you send me your broken mission so I can see whats wrong